--- Day changed Sat Feb 09 2019 00:01 -!- dermoth [~dermoth@gateway/tor-sasl/dermoth] has joined #lnd 00:05 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-118-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lnd 00:39 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-118-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53 < Veggen> mrh, can see things are not quite there. soon :) 01:07 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:11 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 02:19 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25 -!- RusAlex [~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex] has joined #lnd 02:35 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 02:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 02:48 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 03:10 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 03:35 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 03:42 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 04:04 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 04:17 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:18 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@92.58.58.54] has joined #lnd 04:18 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@92.58.58.54] has quit [Changing host] 04:18 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd 04:22 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 04:49 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 04:54 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:16 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@bl5-167-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lnd 05:21 -!- drexl_ [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 05:21 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24 -!- lndbot1 [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has joined #lnd 05:26 -!- lndbot [~lndbot@138.197.213.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:28 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has joined #lnd 05:46 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has joined #lnd 05:58 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:02 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has joined #lnd 06:22 -!- drexl_ [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl_] 06:24 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 06:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:38 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 06:41 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 06:42 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 06:49 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 06:49 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:50 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 07:45 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:48 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@bl5-167-188.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 08:28 -!- Kostenko [~Kostenko@185.183.106.227] has joined #lnd 09:07 -!- math_ [~mario@p57BDABB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07 -!- MrPaz [~MrPaz@84.39.112.83] has joined #lnd 09:07 -!- math_ [~mario@p57BDA5AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lnd 09:09 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 09:12 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@x5f722b7e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 09:32 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@x5f722b7e.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 09:35 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@x5f722b7e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:38 -!- qxt [~qxt@unaffiliated/qxt] has joined #lnd 09:39 < qxt> Will there in the future be a way to restore the funds in channels should your computer brake? 09:40 < qxt> Normally I don't really have much in my wallet since it does not do much good there. ofc I can restore that. 09:41 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has joined #lnd 09:43 < molz> qxt check out PR #2313 09:46 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:50 < qxt> molz, PR #2313? 09:52 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 09:54 < qxt> ofc I do backup the entire .lnd folder but it would be nice with some kind of backup what does not depend on electronics 10:03 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 10:06 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has joined #lnd 10:06 < Talkless> qxt: does not depend on electronics..? 10:26 < molz> qxt, you know lnd has a github repo? where you can read the PRs for development? 10:27 < molz> omg "does not depend on electronics"???? 10:27 < molz> Talkless, :D 10:27 < molz> why are you on IRC if you don't want to depend on electronics???!! 10:34 -!- marijnfs_ [~marijnfs@x5f722b7e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:12 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 11:15 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.45] has joined #lnd 11:20 < booyah> molz: like the metal wallet 11:20 < booyah> metal engraved seed 11:22 < molz> wut, booyah ? 11:37 < booyah> molz: qxt was asking for backup that does not depend on electronics 11:37 < booyah> if lnd is fully restorable from a HD seed, then engrave that into metal plate 11:37 < booyah> should last 100+ years, fires, EMPs, nuclear bombs etc 11:38 < booyah> I suppose you could do sam for entire data directory, just that it would be much larger and not easy to store therefore 11:55 < molz> yea should go out of my way really hard to engrave the seed of my node that has about 67 bucks 11:57 < molz> not even enought to pass the torch!! pfft 11:58 < molz> but maybe someday it'll become 67mil USD 12:21 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD is now known as ctrlbreak 12:21 < ctrlbreak> I'm trying to get my hands on the torch today. I'll get it eventually! 12:23 < molz> ctrlbreak, oh cool, go catch it! :D 12:33 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:38 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.45] has joined #lnd 13:10 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@193.180.164.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has joined #lnd 13:39 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:41 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:46 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has joined #lnd 13:50 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:58 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:17 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:18 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:24 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:26 < qxt> I have some inactive channels attached to my node. Do I have to force close them and if so are there any drawback to that? 14:26 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:31 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:47 -!- qxt [~qxt@unaffiliated/qxt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11 -!- AlexJoans [~qxt@unaffiliated/qxt] has joined #lnd 15:24 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 15:29 < AlexJoans> I have eight channels other people opened with me that are not inactive. If I force close them will I have to pay the tx fee? 15:30 < AlexJoans> that are inactive^ (sry about eh double negative) 15:31 < booyah> AlexJoans: you mean that are bi-directional? 15:32 < booyah> I think force closing results in higher fee, yea 15:34 < AlexJoans> booyah, yeah a bunch of people connect to my node like 6 months ago. Now they are inactive. Want to get rid of them. 15:34 < AlexJoans> booyah, thing is I am wondering if I have to pay for these deadbeats 15:40 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:52 <@roasbeef> AlexJoans: depends on if yu're the iniaitor or not 15:52 <@roasbeef> but you'll need to pay fees in order to sweep the outputs 16:00 < molz> AlexJoans, they opened the channels, they pay closing fees 16:00 < molz> lncli closeallchannels --force 16:01 < molz> inactive for 6 months? geez time to get rid of them 16:02 < AlexJoans> roasbeef molz thx was wondering if I would have to pay for something I did not ask for. So no. 16:03 < AlexJoans> molz, yup some of them even longer. Been updating lnd but not really keeping things tidy 16:05 < AlexJoans> roasbeef, How are the fees for a force close calculated? 16:05 < AlexJoans> mean the amount 16:07 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@185.86.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lnd 16:07 < ysangkok> the initiator of the channels chooses the fee of a channel 16:08 < ysangkok> each client basically uses whatever heuristics it deems sensible to set a reasonable fee level 16:08 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, what if that channel is really old and the fees have radically changed since then? 16:08 < ysangkok> well, that's why the initiator can update the fee 16:08 < ysangkok> you can update the fee and make a new force-close tx (which is actually just a commitment tx) without adding new htlcs 16:09 < AlexJoans> wonder just how many ppl really do that... 16:09 < ysangkok> well their clients should do it automatically 16:09 < AlexJoans> lnd does this? cool can I check out what the fee is set too? 16:09 < ysangkok> but if you take your node offline, and you come back online and the fees have risen, you have a problem, if you can't contact the counterparty anymore... 16:10 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, yeah that is what I am thinking about. Some of these people are long gone 16:10 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: see https://api.lightning.community/#channel 16:10 < ysangkok> there is a field "commit_fee" 16:11 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@185.86.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 16:11 < AlexJoans> was reading about that just 5 min ago but it seemed a but unclear 16:11 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: but fees are not very high right now, so i don't see why you wouldn't be able to close 16:11 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: what is unclear 16:12 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: you run "lncli listchannels", you check out the "commit_fee" of different channels 16:12 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: if you have to much output, you can map the output of listchannels into jq 16:13 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, curl -q blah | jq . 16:13 < AlexJoans> like that I take it? 16:13 < AlexJoans> ofc 16:14 < ysangkok> ~/go/bin/lncli -n regtest --lnddir=/tmp/lnd1 listchannels | jq ".channels | map(.commit_fee)" 16:14 < ysangkok> this'll give you a list of fee levels 16:15 < AlexJoans> well dont need curl here but .. yeah 16:16 < AlexJoans> lncli listchannels | jq .channels[].commit_fee 16:17 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, so the commit_fee is what will be paid during force close right? 16:19 < ysangkok> yes 16:19 <@roasbeef> only by the initiator 16:19 < AlexJoans> its all very clear now. Thx tons 16:27 <@roasbeef> smartbit is down :( 16:29 < ysangkok> roasbeef: channel topic needs update to 0.5.2 16:30 <@roasbeef> there is no 0.5.2 16:33 < ysangkok> roasbeef: v0.5.2-beta? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/v0.5.2-beta 16:34 < AlexJoans> lncli listchannels | jq -r '.channels[] | "\(.commit_fee) \(.active)"' 16:34 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, did you say there was a way to update the commit fee when a channel is not active? 16:34 < ysangkok> nope 16:35 < AlexJoans> ok that is what I though. Feel sorry for some of these guys =) 16:35 < AlexJoans> thought^ 16:42 < molz> why 16:43 < molz> they can update their commit_fee if they're active 16:44 < molz> but since they've been active too long, probably their nodes don't even exist anymore? 16:45 < molz> probably someone got their rashhairy pies burned up so there's no way they can get those coins back, more coins burnt, more value for bitcoin 16:46 <@roasbeef> ysangkok: fake new 16:46 <@roasbeef> s 16:52 < AlexJoans> Is there a quick way to check who opened the channel? 16:53 < AlexJoans> Some of them have a lot of back and forth on them. 17:20 -!- yoink [~yoink@unaffiliated/yoink] has joined #lnd 17:41 < ysangkok> not sure i understand what you mean by "fake news", should i be telling people to run 0.5.1 as it is the recommended version? wouldn't it make sense to mark 0.5.2 as alpha if it is less mature than 0.5.1? 17:43 < AlexJoans> roasbeef, ysangkok heh had to force close this channel heh... wonder if this fee is to low?? https://paste.debian.net/1066486/ 17:44 < AlexJoans> that "blockexplorer" is something I wrote for local stuff 17:45 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: why do you think it would be too low? 17:45 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: look here https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/ 17:51 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, I guess it should be ok. I just took a quick look at this api thingie curl -q https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/api/v1/fees/recommended 2> /dev/null | jq -r .hourFee 17:52 < AlexJoans> Just that it looks kinda low 17:52 < AlexJoans> Transaction fees: 17:52 < AlexJoans> 0.00000543 BTC (3 SAT/vB) about $0.02 USD 17:55 < ysangkok> but if you look at the graph, many transactions have similar fees 17:59 < AlexJoans> wondering if I got that 3 SAT/vB calculated right on my "explorer". Using dc with its weird ass RPN calculation. 18:00 < AlexJoans> guessing it will be fine. Kinda a sport to see how low you can get away with though =) 18:03 < ysangkok> havn't seen anyone use dc for years :O 18:03 < ysangkok> i guess you got hooked on stack manipulation when you started using bitcoin ? :P 18:03 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, dc is so freaking cool with perl 18:04 < ysangkok> is this some kind of retrocomputing exercise ? :P 18:04 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, yes 18:04 < AlexJoans> Actually that stuff is kinda "in" again 18:10 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, This is a perl program which implements RSA encryption and decryption, and is small enough to use as a signature file: 18:11 < AlexJoans> #!/bin/perl -sp0777i thats it.... the whole thing. Try to stop that from being exported 18:14 < ysangkok> my favorite esolang is chef, i think it's gonne be easier to export some weird ass recipe than cryptic perl. https://esolangs.org/wiki/chef 18:16 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, when the US made an export ban on RSA back in the 90s people did there best to make something that could be tattooed on them or put in a signature. 18:16 < AlexJoans> their^ 18:19 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, that funny and neat! Was not sure if it was real =P 18:21 < ysangkok> i wonder if it would be illegal to make t-shirts that exploit some buffer overflow in QR code readers :P 18:22 < AlexJoans> th3J35t3r did something like that a few years ago. he had a qr code on his twitter. Everybody that scanned it in had their twitter contacts uploaded to some db 18:29 < AlexJoans> this is prolly my favorite the 90s dc programs. It calculates prime numbers really fast. Have not figured out exactly how it works though echo '2p3p[dl!d2+s!%0=@l!l^!<#]s#[s/0ds^]s@[p]s&[ddvs^3s!l#x0<&2+l.x]ds.x'|dc 18:35 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, this is what thejester did with his QR attack against Anonymous. https://bit.ly/2SkpLiL 18:38 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44 < ysangkok> ah, so not really specific to QR, sounds like it was actually a webkit issue 18:49 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, was still kinda nasty. Ridicules that "he" can redirect Internet braking DDoS attacks to some IP that belongs to the Mossad and still be a free "man" after 10+ years. 18:49 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, ofc he is gov 18:50 < AlexJoans> Kinda funny that the CIA has his laptop that they show to the public but have not caught him...lol 18:57 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 19:02 -!- drexl [~drexl@cpc130676-camd16-2-0-cust445.know.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: drexl] 20:25 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 20:51 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:26 -!- manantial [~tecnecio@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd 22:28 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:29 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has 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