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01:53 < CryptoSi_> lnd runs normal on 12% cpu usage
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08:18 < AlexJoans> how big is the testnet blockchain?
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08:27 < tynes> AlexJoans: using bcoin its about 16 gigs with no tx index. not sure about core
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09:40 < CryptoSi_> @molz , can you tell me if "dropwtxmgr" is finished, does the service disappear? Who can I be sure it worked or is working right now?
09:42 < notmike> AlexJoans: you could use regress net probably idk
09:42 < notmike> if size is a concern
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09:42 < lio17> I've started wrapping a LND gRPC client in a ruby gem - are any ruby developers around here? I am rather new to gRPC would appreciate your feedback. https://github.com/bumi/lnrpc/  
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09:44 < lio17> was pretty helpful so far interacting with LND from ruby 
09:45 < lio17> I was also wondering what's the gRPC best practice? should the generated clients be wrapped in a package of each language or should every app generate its own client from the service definitions? 
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10:10 < AlexJoans> How do I stop the btcd server? Not seeing anything like bitcoin-cli stop like in core
10:11 < AlexJoans> Just killing the process is prolly not the best way to do this
10:13 < ysangkok> did you try sending it SIGHUP?
10:14 < ysangkok> i always just go into the screen where it is running and use control-c... but maybe you're not running in screen?
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10:15 < ysangkok> ok don't use SIGHUP
10:16 < ysangkok> it won't be clean
10:17 < ysangkok> AlexJoans: ~/go/bin/btcctl --testnet stop
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11:08 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, thx
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11:10 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, was using control-c until I realized my ports were still tied up.
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11:12 < AlexJoans> ysangkok, huhhh dont have btcctl. That would explain a lot
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11:18 < molz> hm it should create for you after you run btcd the first time and if im not mistaken it should create btcctl if you get it from bctsuite fork now
11:18 < molz> CryptoSi_, i think if it's finished, it should stop running and you can see it
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11:32 < AlexJoans> molz, weird everything is there except btctl in ~/gocode/bin/ built it like https://dev.lightning.community/guides/installation/
11:32 < AlexJoans> on Debian 
11:33 < AlexJoans> and ofc everything works. Just that binary missing.
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11:41 < AlexJoans> bctsuite fork?
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11:55 < molz> you might need to update btcd
11:56 < molz> we used to use roasbeef's btcd forks but now it's on btcsuite
11:56 < molz> https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd
11:58 < AlexJoans> molz, yeah maybe. I use btcd back in march of last year. IIRC there was a btcctl back then. Something changed.
11:58 < AlexJoans> there was something about using roastbeefs version. Think it was because of segwit?
11:59 < molz> AlexJoans, update it
12:00 < molz> AlexJoans, btcsuite has everything from roasbeef's forks and more
12:00 < molz> because roasbeef could merge his prs there
12:00 < molz> this is how i update mine: 
12:00 < molz> cd $GOPATH/src/github.com/btcsuite/btcd
12:00 < molz> git checkout origin/master
12:00 < molz> GO111MODULE=on go install -v . ./cmd/...
12:00 < molz> oofs
12:00 < molz> git fetch before 'git checkout..'
12:01 < molz> or you can run 'git pull' 
12:01 < AlexJoans> thx Ill do so now.
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12:06 < AlexJoans> git branch
12:07 < AlexJoans> molz, yup changing to master did the trick 
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12:10 < AlexJoans> Somebody should change https://dev.lightning.community/guides/installation/ to reflect that.
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12:21 < molz> I never could get 'make btcd' to work so i'd just follow the instruction on that site 
12:22 < molz> and btcsuite is frequently updated now .. as we can see 'Latest commit 12ce2fc  4 days ago' by roasbeef
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12:22 < AlexJoans> I am just using it atm because I want to test some stuff out on simnet. 
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13:40 < bitconner> AlexJoans, btcd and lnd are designed to be ctrl-c-able
13:40 < bitconner> there's also btcctl stop and lncli stop
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14:04 < CryptoSi_> is there a way to import the lnd wallet to something like electrum? to move my onchain coins?
14:05 < CryptoSi_> i have the 24 word seed
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14:11 < ysangkok> CryptoSi_: nope, because the derivation is different. just send it on-chain
14:11 < ysangkok> CryptoSi_: lnd can also do on-chain transactions
14:12 < CryptoSi_> I can't Error: -25: Missing inputs
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14:12 < CryptoSi_> molz already tried to help me and I m running "./dropwtxmgr --db=/mnt/hdd/lnd/data/chain/bitcoin/mainnet/wallet.db" for a day on my raspberry now to get a rescan
14:13 < CryptoSi_> cant get my money out of there
14:16 < CryptoSi_> any idea on that?`
14:17 < ysangkok> do you have the seed words?
14:17 < CryptoSi_> yes     
14:17 < CryptoSi_> and no open channels
14:18 < ysangkok> did you try to restore from seed words on a new build?
14:18 < CryptoSi_> nope actualy afraid of losing funds on rapsi
14:19 < CryptoSi_> not sure how long the "dropwtxmgr" will run and when it will finish
14:19 < CryptoSi_> is it save to restart or should i wait
14:19 < ysangkok> well you don't have to do anything on the raspi to restore from seed on a different machine
14:20 < AlexJoans> bitconner, did a checkout of the head git code on btcd and btcctl and someother stuff showed up in my bin folder. All is good now. 
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14:22 < AlexJoans> is there a convenient way to zero all the channel sums at once when testing? 
14:23 < CryptoSi_> ysangkok: thank you i will try to build a new one
14:23 < CryptoSi_> hope that helps
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14:43 < molz> AlexJoans, you mean closing all channels?
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15:20 < bralyclow> anyone around
15:21 < bralyclow> the  --time_lock_delta option, is the value set in minutes or hours as most are set to 144?
15:21 < molz> blocks
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15:23 < bralyclow> and an average block time being 10 minutes, give or take, thus around 1440 minutes which is one calendar day, correct
15:25 < bralyclow> so what happens if i set all my channels to time_lock_delta=0 and all other channels have setting at 144, does that mean I cannot connect to them or what value wins, trying to understand the delay if a node disappears and I want to close the channel
15:25 < greypw> is it possible to use the same onion address which is already used by bitcoind?
15:26 < bralyclow> thank you @molz
15:26 < AlexJoans> molz, ended up doing that but thought it would be nice if I did not have to generate 6 new blocks. Just zero everything. 
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15:43 < molz> bralyclow, i don't think it would happen 0 blocks even if you set it 
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15:45 < molz> AlexJoans, im not sure about simnet
15:45 < bralyclow> just wondered why the --help command on that says 0 is default then, so basically, if other channel node disappears, and I force channel to close, I will wait the 144 blocks or about one day before the channel funds I am due come back to me for use somewhere else, correct?
15:46 < bralyclow>  --time_lock_delta value  the CLTV delta that will be applied to all forwarded HTLCs (default: 0)
15:46 < molz> one day or more if it's a unilateral closing
15:46 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> It should be 144, default means it wasn’t setup
15:46 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> If you use 0 as a CLTV delta value it will cause pathfinding issues
15:47 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> I don’t think it will even allow you to set that
15:48 < bralyclow> thank you both, molz and alexbosworth
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15:49 < bralyclow> just making sure I understand all the rules before I flip the switch tonight to mainnet for LND node that I just setup
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15:50 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> A lot of things in the API will return 0 or be represented as 0 when in fact that means null/nil
15:51 < bralyclow> so if you will entertain me for another question, what happens when I close the channel with someone for X sat, when the channel is closed assuming I did not use any sat, what happens to my X sat, is that put back in my LND wallet on the node? if so, how do I get any sat not being used for channels back to my bitcoin network wallet when I want to move them back?
15:54 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> If you close the channel and you didn’t spend anything, you get your funds back on-chain minus chain-fees
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15:55 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> lnd supports regular on-chain sends as well as off-chain sends
15:55 < bralyclow> i see now, forgive me, i would use the sendcoins command to send funds out of LND wallet back to regular bitcoin network wallet, correct?
15:55 < lndbot> <alexbosworth> Yes that sends to an on-chain address
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18:06 <@roasbeef> lio17: i think it's noce for there to be libs that already have the stubs generated 
18:06 <@roasbeef> so then deverlops can get started more quickly w/o having to install protoc, which can be a pain 
18:17 <@roasbeef> CryptoSi_: did you make sure tha tlnd is off beyond you tried to run that command? 
18:17 <@roasbeef> it'll just hagn there waiting for a lock if lnd is still active 
18:37 < lio17> roasbeef: thanks for the confirmation. 
18:38 < lio17> will then continue on making the ruby gem stable and adding some "ruby-way" to it
18:43 <@roasbeef> dope
18:43 <@roasbeef> we can also maybe link to it from our docs as well 
18:51 < lio17> sure, shall I make a PR for that?  where? 
18:54 < lio17> I could write a ruby guide -with content for using grpc directly and the alternative with the lnrpc gem  
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