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12:12 < qxt> when running though tor I can seem to change the port number...ke.onion:9735 
12:12 < qxt> even with --listen=localhost:10012 etc
12:13 < qxt> Is there a way to do this. I would like to test a few nodes on the same machine.
12:36 < molz> qxt im not running tor but i guess you can create a few nodes on the same machine and they all use tor?
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13:50 < qxt> molz, tor is actually really well developed in lnd. Neutrio even uses it as default IIRC. Yes they will all use tor but I need to change the default port ...deke.onion:9735
13:51 < qxt> molz, since I am using a few nodes on the same machine.
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13:53 < qxt> but I am not sure how to change the port from 9735 since --listen=local:xxx does not work it seems
13:53 < qxt> --listen=localhost:xxx 
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14:23 < molz> qxt, one node can have all default ports, the next node has to configure different ports for listen, rpclisten, restlisten
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14:25 < jlamur> did anyone ever complained about the branch management on this repository? the master branch is not supposed to be a stable branch.
14:25 < jlamur> roasbeef: ^
14:25 < molz> jlamur, we talked about this yesterday
14:25 < molz> i gave a suggestion
14:26 < molz> we're going to make master branch to be "v0.5.99-beta-master-for-daredevils"
14:26 < jlamur> is this sarcasm?
14:27 < jlamur> the for `master-for-daredevils` part, I meant
14:29 <@roasbeef> jlamur: complained about what? 
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14:35 < jlamur> roasbeef: the installation guide doesn't mention any other branch than the master one (actually the default one, but that's master). The dockerfile CLONES the master branch (that's not AT ALL how a dockerfile is supposed to work).
14:36 <@roasbeef> jlamur: ok...we practice trunk based development, with special cases for minor release branchs 
14:36 <@roasbeef> what's your expectation? 
14:41 <@roasbeef> jlamur: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/releases
14:42 < jlamur> I think that the main problem comes from the fact that the docker images are always outdated.
14:43 < jlamur> IMO either you fix that or you remove the docker install guide.
14:44 < jlamur> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/DOCKER.md#production this command deploys a lnd container based on the master branch
14:44 < jlamur> and actually that's wrong since the automated docker builds are broken IIRC
14:45 <@roasbeef> jlamur: we don't do any automated docker builds 
14:45 < jlamur> then the docker prod install guide is dangerous
14:46 <@roasbeef> generally it's a bad idea to pull a random container image you didn't build yourself and execute it....
14:46 < jlamur> the last update of lightninglabs/lnd docker image is 9 months ago
14:46 <@roasbeef> recent docker CVEs don't instill confidence either 
14:46 < jlamur> well, you could say the same for pulling a random github repository with source code that you didn't wrote by yourself
14:47 <@roasbeef> no...you can easily audit that 
14:47 <@roasbeef> feel free to submit a PR to update the docs 
14:47 < jlamur> same goes for docker with docker history
14:48 <@roasbeef> very different things, but you might just have a very different level of threats you're willing to tolerate 
14:51 < jlamur> anyway you can't even build the docker image by yourself since it's always pulling the master branch. So at best, if you noticed that the image on dockerhub is outdated you end up with a master image (even when docker build is run from a tag). If you didn't notice that and followed the production guide perfectly you will run a 9 months old docker image.
14:52 <@roasbeef> there're multiple docker files, one builds from master the other uses your local state 
14:53 <@roasbeef> PRs accepted if you want to attempt to correct the docs to how you see fit jlamur 
14:53 < jlamur> well, too bad that the project doesn't follow the most used conventions about dockerfiles.
14:54 < jlamur> BTW, two dockerfiles are useless. With only one building from local state, you can easily build an image for master.
14:56 < jlamur> And why master for the "main" Dockerfile? Again, that mislead people thinking they should deploy to prod on the master branch.
14:56 <@roasbeef> you have the power jlamur 
14:57 < jlamur> Well, that's right, but I'm suggesting that we get rid of this Dockerfile to not mislead people.
14:57 <@roasbeef> or modify it to check out the latest release perhaps? 
14:57 < jlamur> Would be hard to make that change BC however.
14:57 <@roasbeef> BC?     
14:58 < jlamur> backward compatible (ie. if some people have automated deployment based on this dockerfile)
14:58 <@roasbeef> dunno, can make the PR to switch over or update the docs, and see if anyone complains or not 
14:59 <@roasbeef> if their using it in a serious manner, would expect them to based it off releases 
14:59 <@roasbeef> or just make their own, it's tiny 
14:59 < jlamur> "or modify it to check out the latest release perhaps?" it would mean that you need to upgrade this dockerfile every time a new stable release is published.
15:00 <@roasbeef> but in any case, if you think our docker files or docs surrounding them can use improvement, your welcome to add something to the issue tracker, or better yet make PR
15:00 <@roasbeef> nope the file can just checkout the latest stable release, or take an arg to modulate that 
15:00 < jlamur> I'll make a PR, just trying to understand what change would be acceptable for you
15:01 < jlamur> you still need to set that arg somewhere
15:03 < jlamur> that's the burden of the maintainers, so you, everytime you release. with a high chance that you skip it one day and then everyone is out of date.
15:04 <@roasbeef> nope
15:06 <@roasbeef> just have it build from the latest release using git if that's waht you desire 
15:08 < qxt> this guy...
15:08 < qxt> you take a chill pill or something. I would of lost my shit... 
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15:11 < jlamur> qxt: what's the problem?
15:11 < qxt> your attitude to be honest
15:11 < qxt> not going to argue with you though.
15:26 < jlamur> I didn't mean to be disrespectful or something, my apologies if you felt it this way.
15:33 < qxt> jlamur, constructive criticism is almost always welcome. Its important to remember that there are people on the other end though.
15:34 < molz> jlamur, this is an open source project, i think the LND devs have done a lot of work, but they're not super beings that can do everything to please everyone, and roasbeef said several times you are welcome to contribute, that's the attitude everyone should take here 
15:35 < molz> nobody owes you anything in open source, if you don't like what you see, try to contribute
15:50 < jlamur> I understand that… I was a also a maintainer of a pretty popular project. I was sincerely just trying to convince him to change his mind on how to handle the Dockerfiles on this project (because I know that he has already kind of refused that sort of change on a github issue). That's "why" I asked a lot of question and tried to "debate" to be sure of what was the changes that could be accepted. I guess that
15:50 < jlamur> I'm not that good at arguing since you both felt it was bad attitude.
15:58 < molz> jlamur, no need for drama though, if you think you can make docker for lnd better, go for it
15:59 < jlamur> sorry
15:59 < molz> jlamur, i don't know much about why docker is not maintained or updated or whatever for lnd, but i trust the lnd devs for their security concerns on their project
15:59 < jlamur> I'm writing a PR rn
16:00 < molz> cool 👍
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16:25 <@roasbeef> jlamur: totally agree the docker stuff can be improved, some contributors have recentlty fixed a ton of issus with it, but i don't think any of them needed to use it in the manner that you are 
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17:12 < jlamur> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/2649
17:13 < jlamur> ^ this is the "docker" PR
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17:41 <@roasbeef> nice
17:41 <@roasbeef> how's this different from the other docker files now? 
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18:20 < qxt> could somebody do a queryroutes to 03f63c4ab501a9b4dfc1d26f78f8f259d86a4754d316a878d0b166c58829f76ead@u4kpxioscgbrnzh5.onion:9735
18:20 < qxt> want to see it the tor stuff is working
18:24 < qxt> roasbeef, is it possible to change the port from 9735 when using tor? Noticed --listen=localhost:xxx does nada with the port.
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18:29 < molz> mainnet or testnet?
18:31 < molz> oh you're ONRYO? :D
18:32 < qxt> yup thats me! On mainnet in this case!
18:33 < qxt> and yeah the guy who got highway robed =P
18:34 < qxt> molz, highway robbery^ if you remember. 
18:40 < qxt> molz, I have a openbsd pf firewall that I am not sure is feeling the love high entropy traffic. I guess I could use some transforms to hide that if needed.
18:41 < molz> i can see some routes to your node
18:41 < qxt> <3 nice
18:41 < qxt> thx     
18:43 < molz> qxt  $ lncli queryroutes 03f63c4ab501a9b4dfc1d26f78f8f259d86a4754d316a878d0b166c58829f76ead 10000 5 | pastebinit
18:43 < molz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/68zVch2sBR/
18:44 < qxt> molz, perfect
18:49 < molz> also routes for 1M sat
18:49 < molz> but capacity doesn't mean liquidity though
18:52 < qxt> molz, there are sneaky ways around that. Can make another node and zigzag round using deterministic routing I would think.
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18:57 < qxt> I did notice that about 10% of funds are locked into a channel. On testnet I sent 100000 to node B but could only send back 89999. 10% and 1 sat.
18:57 < qxt> thought the lockup was only 1% ?
19:08 < molz> qxt what was the channel's capacity?
19:12 < qxt> molz, 1000183
19:14 < molz> qxt that seems correct
19:14 < molz> 1% of 1000183 is the channel reserve, can't be sent back
19:17 < qxt> Yeah but I only wanted to send by 100,000. 
19:17 < qxt> "capacity": "1000183",
19:17 < qxt>             "local_balance": "100000",
19:17 < qxt>             "remote_balance": "900000",
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19:18 < qxt> oh wait... its 1% of the total capacity. Not the local balance?
19:18 < molz> right
19:19 < qxt> ah ok 
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19:31 <@roasbeef> qxt: yeh it should be 
19:31 <@roasbeef> there's a diff between the port you listen on, and the port you advertise to the networ 
19:32 <@roasbeef> network
19:32 <@roasbeef> to allow for various proxy configurations 
19:48 < qxt> roasbeef, reason I asked was even though I used --listen=localhost:10011 on node A and --listen=localhost:10012 on node B there seemed to be a conflict with tor.
19:48 < qxt> roasbeef, works great with just one node though.
19:53 < molz> qxt is that for rpclisten?
19:53 < qxt> nope 
19:56 < qxt> molz, I am guessing that locally I am listing to the ports I specified but both are advertised as ...76ead@u4kpxioscgbrnzh5.onion:9735
19:59 < qxt> ps aux |grep lnd 
20:01 < qxt> well gotta get some sleep. nn
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