--- Day changed Mon Mar 04 2019 00:10 -!- _Sam-- [greybits@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sam--/x-37783179] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:20 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lnd 00:21 < rafalcpp> molz: usually you should trust that key used by tor 01:07 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@68.168.122.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:16 -!- LordCow [~lordcow@lordcow.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 -!- botka [~nodebot@static.171.39.76.144.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 02:52 -!- qxt [~qxt@2a02:20c8:4124::3e] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:57 -!- qxt [~qxt@s91904421.blix.com] has joined #lnd 03:02 < molz> rafalcpp, ? 03:04 < rafalcpp> molz: to avoid the warning "WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!" you can double or tripple check the key (the fingerprint you pasted) and once you are sure, then locally-sign thier key with yours 03:14 < molz> rafalcpp, it's ok i don't really care 03:18 < molz> it always says that with every key, i've seen an explanation why but can't remember 03:20 < rafalcpp> yeap. It says so because untill you confirm it, gpg has no idea who's key it really is, anyone could pretend to be releases@tor etc 03:25 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 04:02 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 04:03 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 04:58 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 05:36 -!- _Sam-- [~greybits@unaffiliated/greybits] has joined #lnd 06:07 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:29 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 06:36 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 06:54 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@68.168.122.228] has joined #lnd 08:05 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 08:26 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:40 -!- mikethetike_ [sid308076@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ingztfjotwrdnmnw] has quit [] 08:41 -!- mikethetike_ [sid308076@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhkjhhkgwsrbaocd] has joined #lnd 08:44 -!- mikethetike_ is now known as mikethetike 09:00 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 10:02 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 10:17 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00 < molz> devs meeting in channel #lightning-dev today? 11:27 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:30 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 11:44 -!- SnowGoose [5518fd15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.24.253.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:55 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] --- Log closed Mon Mar 04 12:09:11 2019 --- Log opened Mon Mar 04 12:09:20 2019 12:09 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #lnd 12:09 -!- Irssi: #lnd: Total of 135 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 134 normal] 12:18 -!- Irssi: Join to #lnd was synced in 556 secs 12:25 < rk3y> hi together. as always I want to update my node but run into errors again. what should tell me the following? cmd/lncli/autopilotrpc_default.go:5:8: cannot find package "github.com/urfave/cli" in any of: 12:26 < rk3y> i ran go install . ./cmd/... 12:27 < rk3y> ah maybe this did work: make && make install - lnd version is now 0.5.2 12:39 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 13:07 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 13:19 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:22 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 13:36 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 13:43 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@203.86.194.68] has joined #lnd 13:49 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 13:52 -!- raucao [~raucao@skippe2.nine.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:52 -!- raucao [~raucao@skippe2.nine.ch] has joined #lnd 13:55 -!- fusen [~fusen@host86-139-121-10.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 13:57 -!- fusen [~fusen@host86-139-121-10.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:02 -!- singularity [~singulari@host86-139-121-10.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 14:02 -!- singularity is now known as Guest15271 14:07 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:09 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:09 -!- CryptoSigmund [~CryptoSig@ppp-88-217-93-169.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 14:11 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:12 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 14:31 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@203.86.194.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:40 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00 -!- CryptoSigmund [~CryptoSig@ppp-88-217-93-169.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [] 15:01 <@roasbeef> pierre_rochard: what's confusing about it? the fee rate is a float as it's a rate, it gives you fine grained control 15:01 <@roasbeef> it's easier to st that than the actual fee numerator since that's out of 1mil msat which can be confusing for ppl 15:02 < molz> roasbeef, the confusing part is it's used as an integer in other places 15:03 <@roasbeef> in the protocol level, it's an integer 15:04 < molz> i mean even me thought this was ok to do: lncli updatechanpolicy 1000 10 144 15:04 <@roasbeef> but we chose to expose it as a rate on the higher level since it's easier to work with 15:04 < molz> turns out 10 is 10x amt in sat 15:07 <@roasbeef> yeh it's a rate 15:07 <@roasbeef> we can add more help there or somenthing 15:07 <@roasbeef> and should prob even have a st of docs w.r.t the params and what they all do routing policy wise 15:08 < molz> roasbeef, here's another confusion: https://www.reddit.com/r/lightningnetwork/comments/awz6o5/warning_lightningpowerusers_fee_is_705032704/ehqzs8o/ 15:08 < pierre_rochard> That would be very helpful roasbeef 15:08 < molz> or i would say the same confusion 15:09 < molz> i prefer to use float for the fee_rate across the board, less confusing 15:09 < lndbot> I prefer the parts per million 15:09 < lndbot> except in UI elements 15:10 -!- s7r [~s7r@openvpn/user/s7r] has quit [Quit: by bye] 15:11 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:16 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 15:22 -!- s7r [~s7r@openvpn/user/s7r] has joined #lnd 15:24 < molz> well it was a good discussion across several places today while the devs were inFlight 15:24 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33 -!- TX1683 [~TX1683@unaffiliated/tx1683] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:38 -!- TX1683 [~TX1683@unaffiliated/tx1683] has joined #lnd 15:42 <@roasbeef> ah ok i see the confusion now 15:43 <@roasbeef> the config value vs the command line args 15:48 < molz> yep 15:48 < molz> so i thought if i do `lncli 1000 10 144` then LND would understand 10 means 10/1000000 15:52 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:53 < bitconner> just now noticing how unfortunate my slackbot avatar appears, looks like wall-e after rummaging around the junkyward. meanwhile, roasbeef's looks like megatron lol 15:56 <@roasbeef> heh did they change em again? 15:56 < lndbot> molz, yeah i think that’d set it to 1000%? 15:57 < bitconner> roasbeef, don't think so. just now internalizing the disparity haha 16:02 < molz> conner yea i guess so haha 16:03 < molz> your slack avatars are great, no worris :P 16:04 < molz> worries* 16:06 < molz> roasbeef, and this has to be changed: "fee_rate_milli_msat": "1", 16:07 < molz> also, is it bad to ask fee_rate can't be over 1 ? 16:07 < molz> i mean 1 sat 16:08 < molz> i mean 1x amt in sat 16:11 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11 < buZz> milli_msat? huh 16:12 < buZz> thousand of a thousand of a sat? 16:12 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 16:22 < molz> yea and people freak out when they see your "fee_rate_milli_msat": "100", 16:23 < molz> so just change it to "fee_rate_milli_msat": "0.000100", and they get calm down 16:25 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 16:36 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 16:38 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@cpe-172-116-160-42.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- cluelessperson_ [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has joined #lnd 16:39 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@unaffiliated/cluelessperson] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:39 < buZz> i just dont get why it says milli thice .. 16:40 < buZz> twice* 16:56 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 17:22 < molz> buzz because it's a milli-msat 17:22 < buZz> its a thousands of 1000 sats? 17:22 < buZz> wtf nonsense is that :P 17:22 < molz> no 17:23 < buZz> whats a msat if not millisat ? 17:23 < molz> if the rate is 1 milli-msat, and your payment is 100k sat, the calc is 100000 x 1 = 100000 milli msat = 100 msat = 0.1 sat 17:24 < buZz> so it -is- thousands of 1000 sat 17:24 < buZz> wait, no 17:25 < buZz> thousands of thousands of a sat 17:25 < molz> it's a millionth to a sat 17:25 < buZz> lol 17:25 < buZz> i didnt realize LN had to be this cheap , lol 17:25 < molz> but if your fee_rate is 5000 it's not cheap 17:35 < molz> maybe we should say megasat instead of milli_msat? :) 17:36 < buZz> or just sat? :) 17:36 < molz> yea but rusty wants us to turn us into msat creatures 17:37 < molz> -us 17:37 < molz> buzz have you seen clightning commandline ux lately? 17:37 < buZz> i have not 17:37 < buZz> milli-msat creatures? :D 17:37 < molz> haha 17:38 < molz> tiny milli-msat aliens 17:39 < molz> oh wow one of my clightning nodes crashed, i didn't know lol 18:52 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:57 -!- e4xit [~e4xit@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lnd 19:35 -!- qxt [~qxt@s91904421.blix.com] has left #lnd [] 21:10 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 22:23 -!- cubancorona [cubancoron@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/cubancorona] has joined #lnd 22:48 -!- hanu [cb91b435@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.145.180.53] has joined #lnd 22:48 < hanu> hi 22:48 < hanu> payment 22:48 < hanu> create 22:48 < hanu> create 22:48 < hanu> will do 22:48 < hanu> wjfkhbdsf 22:48 < hanu> dfhefe 22:49 < hanu> djvche 22:49 -!- hanu [cb91b435@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.145.180.53] has quit [Client Quit] 23:18 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 23:20 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:22 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]