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:) 14:17 <@roasbeef> look at sendpayment -h? 14:17 < Rogeman> what is the payment_hash and final_cltv_delta 14:18 <@roasbeef> i think they're described 14:18 < Rogeman> @roasbeef, tried that, didn't work :) 14:19 < Rogeman> also tried googling it, it seems to not be a heavily used way of sending money, can't find any manual on it 14:19 <@roasbeef> --payment_hash value, -r value the hash to use within the payment's HTLC 14:19 <@roasbeef> --final_cltv_delta value the number of blocks the last hop has to reveal the preimage (default: 0) 14:20 < Rogeman> yep, that is not sufficient information for me to understand what it means, is there a url I can read upon? 14:21 < molz> just use an invoice 14:21 < Rogeman> tippin.me does not allow for invoices 14:21 < Rogeman> I want to send a tip 14:21 <@roasbeef> yes it does, it igces you one 14:21 < Rogeman> so I don't have an invoice :) 14:21 <@roasbeef> you just need to set the amount 14:22 < Rogeman> https://tippin.me/@Rogeman for example (my tippin account) just has one button saying Copy request 14:23 < Rogeman> it does not have any field to set the amount 14:23 < Rogeman> tried using the output of that button as the --pay_req, didn't work :) 14:23 <@roasbeef> look at lncli payinvoice -h 14:24 < Rogeman> on it ( I've never used payinvoice, just played with sendpayment) 14:25 < molz> Rogeman, lncli payinvoice 1000 lnbc1pw8aah3pp5m2ee3e49df4ta9jds4puh398r7lk6arh80x6xs68x0pfz89tmyjsdph235hqurfdcs9ymm8v4kkzm3q9p6xjursd9hzumt99y582vfj8ycny2gcqzysxqyz5vq6rxs0z3rwkp7hznqsyjuclsmcvt5nws86jh5jp7fduy596f0ycnrvwpnufn7k0kfn5gavtal0j9u5h4nvh85wmhxvtu9f38n82rx42sqy5sua3 14:25 < Rogeman> nice 14:25 < Rogeman> that was it :) 14:25 < Rogeman> thanks! 14:27 < molz> sure, np :) 14:27 < molz> tippin.me gives you an empty invoice so you have to put in the number of satoshis you want to send 14:28 < molz> s/empty/blank 14:38 -!- Rogeman [bc7300c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.115.0.195] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:44 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 14:45 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:47 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 15:23 -!- peleion [~jeff@76.73.184.14] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:23 -!- peleion [~jeff@76.73.184.14] has joined #lnd 15:35 -!- peleion [~jeff@76.73.184.14] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:37 -!- peleion [~jeff@76.73.184.14] has joined #lnd 15:43 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00 < dave_uy> Why does my lnd balance change from day to day? My balance changed by 169 sats yesterday even though I made no transactions. How can I track down the reason for these balance changes? 16:00 < lndbot> it is due to the commit fee 16:00 < lndbot> In master you can subtract that from your balance to keep it steady 16:01 < lndbot> The fee is a potential future fee and isn’t actually removed from your funds, it’s anticipatory 16:01 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lnd 16:06 -!- CubicEarth [~CubicEart@c-67-168-1-172.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 16:12 < dave_uy> So, will lnd change the anticipated fee from day to day? 16:13 < lndbot> if your bitcoind does, then yes 16:13 < lndbot> it will change every block potentially 16:13 <@roasbeef> it's timer based now 16:13 <@roasbeef> randomized 16:14 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14 <@roasbeef> but it'll change a few times a day, depending on how volatile the fee estimation is 16:15 < dave_uy> That's probably what is changing the balance for me then. I'm checking the balance with Joule which uses `channelbalance + walletbalance` 16:16 < lndbot> You could make an issue with them 16:17 < lndbot> In the current v0.5.2 release though it’s impossible to counteract, this can be counteracted in 0.6.0 16:17 < lndbot> If the feature initiator goes into that 16:18 < molz> alex what do you mean 'counteract'? 16:19 < lndbot> Eliminate the effect of the commit fee on your visible balance 16:21 < molz> i like to see my commit_fees 16:21 < lndbot> Why? 16:21 < molz> just to have some idea if the traffic is busy on mainchain without consulting bitcoin core 16:22 < lndbot> Interesting 16:22 < molz> it gives you some ideas if fees are up or down 16:22 < lndbot> The change in master doesn’t eliminate the commit fee number it just tells you who will pay it 16:23 < molz> is it in the very latest master? 16:23 < lndbot> Yeah it will show as “initiator” in listchannels 16:25 < molz> oh i see.. didn't know this.. so if you're not the initiator your commit_fee is much lower? 16:26 < lndbot> Yes it’s 0 16:28 < molz> well on one of my testnet nodes, "initiator": false but "commit_fee": "9050", still the same like other channels 16:29 < lndbot> so this means you are on the hook for 9050 sats if there is a force close 16:29 < molz> and another channel, initiator: false, but "commit_fee": "187", 16:30 < lndbot> sounds like someone has killer low fee estimates 16:30 < lndbot> the fee is just negotiated it can be a wide range 16:34 < molz> it doesn't matter right, someone opened the channel, he pays the closing fee, i just force closed that channel bc it's offline 16:34 < lndbot> initiator pays the closing fee yes 16:34 < molz> and yep the commit fee shows in total fee: https://testnet.smartbit.com.au/tx/31b5db6af9efbfdc7b74bdd5b18e4426f4590b11edfa9bca8da28221e3522f41 16:38 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Quit: rip] 16:56 -!- bobazY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:00 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 17:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 17:59 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 18:12 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 18:35 -!- rls [~rls@user-24-214-190-146.knology.net] has joined #lnd 18:37 -!- rlsy [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 18:39 -!- rls [~rls@user-24-214-190-146.knology.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:01 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:42 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 20:46 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:58 -!- bobazY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 22:29 -!- bobazY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 22:30 -!- bobazY [~bobazY@82-197-218-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #lnd 23:34 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]