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[~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 08:39 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:39 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 08:40 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 09:07 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- kaka [54d8174c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.216.23.76] has joined #lnd 09:13 < kaka> hey! when i set up a payment channel with a node who's on the other side of the 2 of 2 multisig contract? 09:14 < kaka> and how do the Alice and Bob example fit in when you put in a node in the picture? 09:14 < molz> what? 09:19 < kaka> Every lightning example covers two people transacting and then closing the channel when they're done. But when I create a LN wallet with BlueWallet for example, I open a payment channel but dont transact 09:20 < lndbot> BlueWallet isn’t your LN wallet, it’s a custodial wallet 09:24 < kaka> What about if I set up my own lnd node, I move btc on-chain to the node wallet which is really a multisig contract, right? How does that work, I cant go into a multisig c. on my own? 09:24 < Talkless> alexbosworth how would you recoomend to "use" 5mil. satoshis? Autopilot? Random nodes from lightningnetworkstores.com, random nodes from 1ml..? :/ 09:25 < lndbot> I wouldn’t turn on autopilot on mainnet 09:25 < lndbot> Some of the stores listed there are probably ok but some are oversubscribed or have no traffic 09:26 < lndbot> LN is p2p so you do multisig with your peer 09:26 < Talkless> alexbosworth right, molz already warned me about autopilot 09:26 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eihegrbqplcmdyls] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:30 < kaka> and if choose to transact, do that multisig dissolve and a new is created with the receiptient of my tx? how else would the sats be transferable if they're locked up? 09:31 < lndbot> A signed tx is created but not broadcast with the updated balance 09:32 < kaka> Im sorry to throw these basic LN questions on you but I couldnt really find a good resource explaining everything 09:33 < kaka> Ahh okey! 09:37 < Talkless> kaka: you can check videos in https://lopp.net/bitcoin.html , see Lightning Network section 09:37 < Talkless> not only videos, various resources . 09:38 < kaka> Oh thanks! I will 09:39 < Talkless> alexbosworth it's a bit annoying to wait for utxo to be available to open one more channel.. will this improve with splicing? Will I be able to open multiple channels in one go? 09:39 < Talkless> for change to be available after opening channel* 09:39 < lndbot> There’s an argument that will allow you to avoid waiting 09:39 < Talkless> kaka: have fun :) 09:40 < lndbot> It’s in the RPC at least, I don’t see it in the CLI 09:40 < Talkless> --min_confs ? 09:40 < kaka> Just to be clear, when I top up my node with btc, is a multisig created with a peer directly or do I need to transact first? 09:40 < lndbot> Generally you can set min confs = 0 and it won’t wait 09:40 < lndbot> Maybe that works on the CLI 09:40 < Talkless> I'll try 09:41 < lndbot> LND has its own internal on-chain wallet that it uses for external fund deposits 09:42 < Talkless> no, "need 0.02 BTC only have 0.00689144 BTC available", it sees only that small change, but I need more... 09:42 < lndbot> What does walletbalance say? 09:42 < kaka> OK Thanks :) 09:42 -!- kaka [54d8174c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.216.23.76] has left #lnd [] 09:44 < Talkless> alexbosworth https://paste.debian.net/1072265/ 09:44 < lndbot> ok I guess the CLI doesn’t support 0 min confs 09:44 < Talkless> 2331539 is change for yet-to-be-confirmed fundting tx, right? 09:44 < lndbot> Should be possible in the API though 09:45 < Talkless> oh, ok :/ 09:45 < Talkless> shoul I report a bug..? 09:49 < lndbot> I wouldn’t, it’s bad practice to use 0 min conf funds 09:49 < lndbot> This is more like a feature request that you want to be able to open many channels with 1 tx 10:02 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 10:05 < Talkless> " unable to open channel.... peer disconnected" :/ 10:05 < Talkless> runs incompatible old node..? 10:33 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 10:39 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 10:43 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 10:54 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:05 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 11:06 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:10 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 11:13 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:17 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 11:25 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 11:28 -!- rlsy [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:30 < molz> Talkless, which node is this? 11:30 < lndbot> You could just try again 11:30 < lndbot> Sometimes peers disconnect 11:30 < Talkless> molz: I forgot, just opened channel with some other 11:31 < molz> Talkless, does your node have good liquidity? 11:33 < Talkless> molz: does channelbalance shows liquidity on my side that can be used? 11:33 < Talkless> I've recently added aroud 5 milion satoshis, and there where already some left. 11:34 < Talkless> channelbalance is a bit more than 7 million 11:36 < molz> Talkless, you have spent down your channel and you have connections to some good nodes? 11:37 < molz> and your node hasn't crashed so often? sorry for all the questions :D 11:37 < Talkless> I've did some spending, but not too much. LNBig had some channels opened to me some time ago, not sure if they are there now 11:37 < Talkless> no, no crashes I remeber at all 11:37 < molz> Talkless, but anyways if you still want to open another channel, how about this one: 033d485a2aa57e0b868da2e5c32471c3256f9114734b78abfa6ae55cbdacbd5c3d@85.195.255.212:9735 11:38 < Talkless> molz: I've already spent all satoshis, sorry. 11:38 < molz> aww ok 11:39 < molz> that node belongs to the guy who created this: https://twitter.com/davidknezic/status/1006291869477883906 11:39 < molz> my favorite toy 11:41 < Talkless> lol yeah I've seen that candy dispencer, but not that particular video 11:44 < molz> Talkless, https://twitter.com/Snyke/status/1102945279320489984 11:46 < Talkless> molz: I don't sprechen in that language 11:47 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:49 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 11:51 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lnd 11:58 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 12:03 < molz> Talkless, oh hm.. i remember you said you spoke german? 12:04 < Talkless> nope 12:04 < Talkless> not me 12:04 < molz> but anyways click on 'Translate' 12:09 < molz> we have so many nodes and channels on the network.. i need to test and see if i can even send a payment for 20 bucks 12:46 -!- aielima [~aielima@gateway/tor-sasl/aielima] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 12:56 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 13:15 <@roasbeef> molz: someone is like spamming channels 13:32 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 13:34 < Talkless> roasbeef: in a.. bad way? 13:34 <@roasbeef> making like 20k sat chans 13:35 -!- SnowGoose [5518fd3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.24.253.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:44 < Talkless> Whoa, I just discovered, that fwdinghistory has parameters.. end and start_time... Looks like my puny ARM node did some routing after all! yay :) 13:45 <@roasbeef> lol yeh 13:45 <@roasbeef> ppl seme to find em confusing 13:45 <@roasbeef> there's a PR to add some helper flags 13:45 <@roasbeef> like --last-day or w/e 13:45 <@roasbeef> don't think they'll quite make 0.6 tho 13:46 < hex17or> Is 0.6 going to be the next release or is there anything before that? 13:48 < Talkless> roasbeef: maybe --all ? Though for "real" working nodes that would bee too much I guess.. 13:53 < molz> roasbeef, oh? where do you see them? 13:53 < molz> maybe we should up the minchansize to 50k sat? 13:54 <@roasbeef> hex17or: yeh 0.6 is the next releaase 13:54 <@roasbeef> yeh maybe rasie it dunno ' 13:54 <@roasbeef> eventually ndoes will also just start to filter our channels like this, since htey aren't of much use 13:54 <@roasbeef> especially when you consider fees on the channel 13:56 < Talkless> roasbeef: what's the highlights of 0.6? 13:56 <@roasbeef> ton of stuff 13:59 < hex17or> roasbeef: thanks! looking forward to it, especially the --sweepall flag ;) 14:00 < molz> that sweepall pr got merged in december iirc, i got my wallet pending sats swept into my wallet then 14:00 < molz> -wallet 14:00 < molz> no more dust amts in pending, really great 14:01 < drolmer> any reason why I get "unhandled error while forwarding htlc packet over htlcswitch: unable to find appropriate channel link insufficient capacity, need 5000 mSAT", while the mentioned channel(link) has more than enough capacity in both directions and it's active (with no pending htlcs)? 14:02 < molz> and don't have to beg some miner to mine our dust txs anymore, midnightmagic 14:03 < molz> drolmer, capacity isn't liquidity 14:04 < drolmer> molz so the channel mentioned isn't the issue? 14:07 < molz> not sure, have you taken the 1% into account? 14:08 < molz> 1% reserve 14:09 < hex17or> molz: yeah I'm running 0.5.2 so waiting for 0.6; don't really want to run master at the moment though 14:09 < drolmer> ye, over 900k sats on both sides and the error is about 5 sats, someone probbing probably since I see it repeatedly 14:10 < molz> and you're trying to forward how much? 14:11 < drolmer> 5 sats, but passively, I didn't initiate anything 14:12 < molz> it seems the route doesn't even have 5 sat to forward for you? 14:14 < drolmer> That's what I get from the error message on the logs, but the msg mentions a ChannelLink, I checked the related channel and it has the balances I said above. 14:15 < drolmer> weird 14:15 < drolmer> (I haven't restarted the node in a while) 14:15 < drolmer> 1-2 weeks 14:17 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17 < molz> i think the message should be "channel link insufficient liquidity" not "capacity" 14:17 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:22 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 14:52 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:52 <@roasbeef> drolmer: the reserve maybe? 14:56 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:02 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:05 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:12 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmwvtdlcrkrejomv] has joined #lnd 15:18 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 15:37 < drolmer> roasbeef: I misunderstood the error. It has prefixed the ChannelLink which is probably the source of the fwding which is not the problem, the problem I think is that it can't find another link to forward the payment ( source of the error https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/htlcswitch/switch.go#L1106 ) 15:38 < drolmer> the idea was to scan these messages in order to determine the demand towards some nodes and use that to adjust channels, but currently the error message doesn't seem to expose that info, unless I'm mistaken 15:51 -!- p00k [~p00k@94.121.21.106] has joined #lnd 16:03 < molz> drolmer lightning doesn't expose info if your next peer has spent their money or not and only the money they spent can forward your payment 16:26 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 16:55 <@roasbeef> drolmer: yeh that happens if it gets a payment, but can't find the otugoing link with enough bandwidth for it to forward to 17:07 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@108.61.217.107] has joined #lnd 17:15 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@108.61.217.107] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] 17:19 -!- SnowGoose [9b040e29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.4.14.41] has joined #lnd 17:21 < SnowGoose> If anyone is running lnd over Tor feels like it, please feel free to try and open a channel to me at: 17:21 < SnowGoose> 02d7259b3aaaff79fb8e0d4836b6701bcc2bc1891d0656162c546807132093ca6a@qteh7zam672ayaxjxn3mfar4qyxug3l3twlg7aodpxraq4irqazro2yd.onion:9735 17:22 < SnowGoose> I have got my node setup correctly now i am sure, but i have not yet tested if i can receive incoming channels. 17:23 < lndbot> only tor nodes can open channels with other to nodes? 17:27 < SnowGoose> Towards an onion address atleast, yes 17:27 < lndbot> ya I tried with my normie node, no luck :( 17:28 < SnowGoose> You need tor to connect to such an address, but you can run an lnd node which can both send and receive connections from both tor and non-tor nodes, if i understand it correctly 17:30 < SnowGoose> My setup allows me to connect to both tor and non tor nodes, but i only accept channels from those running tor. That way, i dont have to advertise my IP-address to the public 17:30 < lndbot> smart, does that also hide your location from sites like 1ml? 17:30 < SnowGoose> If i understood everything correctly that is, im still working on fully grasping these concepts. 17:31 < SnowGoose> Yeah. My location wont be showed there since that information comes from the IP-address 17:31 < lndbot> nice nice 17:50 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06 -!- greypw [~greypw@2001:19f0:6c01:361:5400:ff:fe78:4149] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:10 -!- greypw [~greypw@45.76.80.171] has joined #lnd 18:16 -!- herald10398 [~herald103@82.102.28.107] has joined #lnd 18:17 < qubenix> SnowGoose: you're correct about everything. you can see that you're connected to onion and clearnet peers with `listpeers`. 18:18 < qubenix> SnowGoose: is your node on mainnet or testnet? 18:37 -!- herald10398 [~herald103@82.102.28.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:44 < midnightmagic> molz: huh..? 18:55 < molz> oh nothing :D 20:06 -!- rlsy [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 20:08 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:22 -!- p00k [~p00k@94.121.21.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 20:27 -!- rls_ [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 20:30 -!- rlsy [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:31 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02 -!- rls [~rls@192.96.205.163] has joined #lnd 21:03 -!- rls_ [~rls@192.96.205.163] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@108.61.217.107] has joined #lnd 21:49 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@108.61.217.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@183.156.231.121] has joined #lnd 21:52 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@183.156.231.121] has quit [Client Quit] 22:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 22:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 22:45 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 22:49 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #lnd 23:15 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 23:19 -!- Krusty [~Mutter@88.202.183.117] has joined #lnd 23:21 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@2408:84ed:46:318e:74b0:4134:cfb8:821a] has joined #lnd 23:31 -!- jasonzhouu_ [~Mutter@2408:84ed:46:318e:74b0:4134:cfb8:821a] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] 23:44 -!- Krusty_ [~Mutter@195.181.165.4] has joined #lnd 23:48 -!- Krusty [~Mutter@88.202.183.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:48 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:48 -!- Krusty_ [~Mutter@195.181.165.4] has quit [Client Quit]