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[~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37 -!- ccdle12_ [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 04:41 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 04:41 -!- ccdle12_ [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 05:03 < molz> bitconner, i found something just for you: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/08/crazy-90-percent-of-people-dont-know-how-to-use-ctrl-f/243840/ 05:03 < molz> πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ 05:04 < molz> that article is 8 yrs old, the ratio is probably 99% now πŸ˜‚ 05:09 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:10 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:18 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 05:24 -!- mp___664 [~mp@hell.cx] has joined #lnd 05:24 -!- mp___ [~mp@hell.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 05:28 -!- votesmith [~votesmith@237.ip-217-182-75.eu] has joined #lnd 05:28 < votesmith> how can I configure my node to never charge any routing fee? 05:28 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:29 -!- ccdle12_ [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 05:29 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43 < molz> votesmith, by default lnd charges very little fees, i would just leave it alone, or you can mess up your node 05:44 < votesmith> molz: this could be a legal liability, in some not too smart countries 05:44 < molz> what? 05:44 < molz> are you reading fuds from bitcornell professional troll gun sirer? 05:44 < votesmith> molz: if node is owned by a legal company, it might be illegal for it to earn any amount of money, especially without knowing from whom and without sending out a bill for each "sale of service" 05:45 < molz> that's bullshit 05:45 < votesmith> molz: no, but politicians setting up tax code in some countries are 05:45 < molz> im in north korea and i don't see this bullshit law 05:45 < votesmith> molz: sorry to be messanger of bad news, I also think law is bullshit 05:45 < votesmith> *that law 05:46 < molz> you probably have never forwarded any tx have never earned any money on ln, or if you have, probably earned a few sats, big deal? 05:48 < votesmith> molz: for now probably not, but if node would become a popular middle node, then to avoid potential legal issues in the rare countries where this is a problem, untill this is properly legalized, setting fee to 0 removes chance of such problem 05:53 < votesmith> it happens that I know people on orgnization that is supposed to advise gov about "blockchain"... probably we should put some effort in directly exempting this kind of micro-micro earnings from need to report/bill (if not from tax at all) 05:56 < molz> you are being misinformed, please do some reading on tax laws 05:57 < molz> you don't pay tax unless you have a gain from selling your btc and receive USD cash if you're an american 05:59 < molz> if you're so rich and own thousands of btc worth millions of dollar that you should be concerned about income taxes, you would not ask for advice on an IRC channel you would already have a tax accountant and a lawyer to counsel you 06:00 < votesmith> molz: my accountant told me. Please consider that we are talking about Poland, which has the worst tax law system in this part of the world. Normal selling of BTC was double-taxed up untill last year, for example 06:05 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:17 < votesmith> ok nevermind - for now best recommendation probably is to not be LN middle node in Poland, called accounting again, and there is no legal way to earn like that without knowing customers details 06:53 -!- melvster [~melvin@86.49.18.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:58 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #lnd 06:58 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@162.219.178.98] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@162.219.178.98] has quit [Changing host] 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lnd 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@129.232.161.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:59 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 07:04 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #lnd 07:11 < waxwing> you're not earning, you're just picking up pennies that people dropped down the side of their HTLC sofa. 07:16 < votesmith> waxwing: I know this is logical, how ever the situation here is that if dicovered you would likelly be fined. oh that law (need to give a paper receipt to a customer) is about to get worse in 2020 in planned legislation. there is no exception for how small the earning might be 07:17 < votesmith> picking up pennies implies accident, while ln routing fees are no accident 07:20 < votesmith> recenlty a car mechanic was fined (I guess around 100$+ ticket) in a *sting operation* where tax office worker broke his own lightbulb, begged the guy to install a new 3$ lightbulb in car, and then fined him for not printing him the bill for service (it was after shop ours so the cashregister was closed) 07:21 < votesmith> so yeap that is Poland. I guess all forward thinking businesses will move out or simply do it unofficially, via tor and so 07:23 < waxwing> i think you took my comment a little more seriously than intended :) 07:25 < molz> waxwing, it's a waste of time trying to explain this to noobs 07:25 < molz> either noobs or trolls, they're rampant 07:26 < waxwing> molz, i'm not trying to explain anything. and i don't think there's any trolling here, ymmv. 07:26 < votesmith> molz: I think accountant / tax lawyer, knows better about tax law here, why so hostile? 07:28 < molz> votesmith, im not trying to be hostile, i think it's absurd and this channel is not for tax laws 07:28 < votesmith> well I asked how to set fees to 0, you asked what is the use case so here it is 07:28 < molz> votesmith, there's help files in your node, why don't you look in there? 07:30 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 07:57 < NeonLicht> Ah, bitconner, I see when you said cmd-f before you meant control-f. It's been so many years that I don't use a browser which does that, that I didn't relate both together, hahaha. I'm so acustomed to use / for search that cmd-f didn't tell me anything, mainly when I thought you where talking about LND, not a browser. 08:40 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 08:57 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@58.32.39.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:59 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has joined #lnd 08:59 -!- jchia_ [~jchia@45.32.62.73] has quit [Client Quit] 09:03 -!- ccdle12_ [~ccdle12@1-64-37-052.static.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 09:38 -!- laptop500 [~laptop@92.118.153.193] has joined #lnd 10:01 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:19 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 10:20 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 10:33 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:40 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:46 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 10:57 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:03 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 11:05 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 11:07 -!- hex17or [~hex17or@HSI-KBW-091-089-197-016.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08 -!- hex17or [~hex17or@HSI-KBW-091-089-197-016.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lnd 11:08 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:09 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:11 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 11:33 -!- MrPaz [~MrPaz@c-71-57-73-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 11:33 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 11:45 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53 < rk3y> hi there does anyone know how to pay with lightning for premium accounts at uploaded.net or shareonline? 12:02 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 12:32 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 13:08 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #lnd 13:38 -!- whysthatso [5abef909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.249.9] has joined #lnd 13:38 < whysthatso> hey all 13:39 < whysthatso> can anybody help me understand the channel status 'waiting_closing_channel' means? 13:39 < lndbot> could be that it’s unconfirmed 13:40 < whysthatso> i have two channels in this state, with a limbo balance, but i am not sure what to do with them 13:42 < lndbot> wait? 14:21 -!- whysthatso [5abef909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.190.249.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:21 < EagleTM> building lnd from git I get a checksum mismatch for fetching btcsuite. Is this a known thing? 14:28 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 14:30 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 14:36 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:41 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:41 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:43 < EagleTM> ah nevermind, i didn't clean up the pgk directory properly it seems 14:50 < EagleTM> pkg even. strange though that you need to do cleanup as root, as the user building gets permission denied on various files when deleting pkg. a lot of files are just checked out with permission 444 15:02 -!- MrPaz [~MrPaz@c-71-57-73-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11 -!- Herci [56141eed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.20.30.237] has joined #lnd 15:13 -!- Herci [56141eed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.20.30.237] has quit [Client Quit] 15:16 -!- 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