--- Day changed Sun May 26 2019 00:00 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 00:30 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 00:33 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 00:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 00:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 00:49 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 01:18 -!- Beast [~quassel@221.146.27.110] has joined #lnd 01:35 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 01:45 -!- Styil [Styil@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/styil] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:46 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 01:51 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:59 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:03 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 02:05 -!- MaxSan [~four@134.19.179.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:07 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has joined #lnd 02:12 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has joined #lnd 02:22 -!- sfhi2 [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has joined #lnd 02:22 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@x5f736a30.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lnd 02:59 -!- marijnfs [~marijnfs@x5f736a30.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:39 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:48 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 03:52 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:53 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 03:58 -!- MaxSan [~four@46.19.137.116] has joined #lnd 04:56 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@pcd537031.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 05:36 < MaxSan> So with LND, where can I see how the closing channel address is set and verified? 05:39 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #lnd 05:51 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has joined #lnd 05:56 -!- MaxSan [~four@46.19.137.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:00 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@pcd537031.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 < Talkless> I wonder, when splicing-out will be implemented, how costly these transactions will be? I mean, re-opening channel with smaller ammount of funds AND sending the on-chain payment. Maybe Taproot would help here somehow..? 06:00 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:04 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@snownose.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- lcpfnvcy [~mememe@196.201.6.216] has joined #lnd 06:12 -!- MaxSan [~four@213.152.162.5] has joined #lnd 06:32 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@pcd537031.netvigator.com] has joined #lnd 06:58 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 07:17 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 07:22 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:34 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@pcd537031.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 07:48 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 07:49 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 07:54 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:58 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has joined #lnd 08:04 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has left #lnd [] 08:04 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has joined #lnd 08:06 < michaelfolkson> Hey. Anyone here know anything about 1ML? ie who is working on it, their methodology for ranking lightning nodes, planned approach to open/closed source? I'm assuming they are in stealth given how little there is online 08:07 < michaelfolkson> I'm also assuming that Lightning Labs won't be working on a similar project (or won't be publicly announcing they are anytime soon) 08:07 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has joined #lnd 08:09 < michaelfolkson> https://www.reddit.com/r/lightningnetwork/comments/batdo4/is_this_a_result_of_tor/ 08:10 -!- MaxSan [~four@213.152.162.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:11 -!- sfhi2 [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:15 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 08:19 < molz> michaelfolkson, i doubt the owner of 1ML is on this irc channel, they showed up on slack and discord a long time ago, haven't seen them again and i don't remember their handle 08:26 < michaelfolkson> Cool, thanks. A fascinating project. Too many in this space and many of them potentially interact too (eg 1ML and autopilot) 08:30 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 08:32 < molz> explorers aren't authoritative and explorers don't get to see every node, ML is just like any other node, not a fascinating project 08:32 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has joined #lnd 08:32 < molz> but so many noobs keep falling for these explorers 08:35 < michaelfolkson> They don't see private channels. But they can surely get a reasonable view of public routing nodes? 08:36 < Asara> my node is behind tor and 1ml and acinq both see it. but its also connected to public nodes 08:38 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 08:41 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42 < michaelfolkson> I know the inbound and outbound capacity of a node is currently private but I can't help but think some routing nodes will selectively make this public in future to help with routing (whilst keeping the details of specific routed payments private) 08:48 < molz> i think you're talking about the liquidity part, which if exposed, it'll expose users privacy, if so ln should just die 08:49 < michaelfolkson> Why? If I was a routing node I could regularly announce a rounded ratio of my inbound/outbound capacity without exposing any users' privacy 08:50 < michaelfolkson> e.g. 40/60. 80/20 08:51 < michaelfolkson> If the ratio drastically changed you wouldn't know if it was one large payment or a bunch of smaller payments 08:51 < molz> yea and i would try to avoid you because you look suspicious as a chain analyzer 08:52 < michaelfolkson> If you valued avoiding a very minor privacy leak over ensuring high routing success yes you would 08:56 -!- michae___ [~textual@46.233.78.242] has joined #lnd 08:57 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@46.233.78.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:01 < michae___> The costs being potential delayed routing success and higher fees. 09:09 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 09:47 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 09:54 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has joined #lnd 09:54 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:55 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:01 -!- michae___ [~textual@46.233.78.242] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 10:03 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-225-199.dab.02.net] has joined #lnd 10:22 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-225-199.dab.02.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 10:27 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:28 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 10:45 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46 -!- chunkypuffs [~chunkypuf@2a01:4f9:2b:16d5::1] has joined #lnd 10:48 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-225-199.dab.02.net] has joined #lnd 10:50 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-225-199.dab.02.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:56 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:56 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 10:57 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 10:58 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 10:59 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 11:06 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:22 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 11:26 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32 -!- hex17or [~hex17or@HSI-KBW-091-089-197-016.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:33 -!- hex17or [~hex17or@HSI-KBW-091-089-197-016.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lnd 11:48 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 11:51 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 11:55 < CubicEarth> I've got an LND node, and so far I am using Zap on my iphone to open channels, but I've just been told that is resulting in private channels :( 11:55 < CubicEarth> If I don't have a single public channel, does that explain why my node isn't visible to the larger network? 11:57 < CubicEarth> And can a private channel be updated to become public? 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