--- Day changed Fri Jun 07 2019 00:28 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has quit [Quit: lio17] 00:29 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has joined #lnd 00:56 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 00:59 -!- laptop500 [~laptop@host86-128-184-5.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04 -!- scoop_ [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 01:09 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@92.116.90.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 01:49 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cdxgpcxqzoqkjrny] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:14 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@dslb-088-068-073-153.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 02:40 -!- siom__ [~siom@195.12.48.205] has joined #lnd 02:46 -!- laptop500 [~laptop@host86-128-184-5.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 03:00 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.9.19.107] has joined #lnd 03:25 -!- bralyclow2 [~bralyclow@139.178.82.37] has joined #lnd 03:25 -!- bralyclow2 [~bralyclow@139.178.82.37] has quit [Client Quit] 03:45 -!- ironbutt [~LiberLive@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #lnd 03:55 <@roasbeef> testnet block storm onging 04:10 -!- siom__ [~siom@195.12.48.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:19 < Sentineo> hm how is that possible? Is there no difficulty adjustment on it? 04:41 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 04:41 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57 <@roasbeef> you can exploit a rule to basically mine blocks at no cost 04:58 <@roasbeef> you manipulate the timestamps on the blocks to always allow a "free" block esssentially 04:59 -!- siom__ [~siom@195.12.48.205] has joined #lnd 05:22 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 05:24 -!- ir0nbutt [~LiberLive@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #lnd 05:27 -!- ironbutt [~LiberLive@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27 -!- jhk_ [~AbuseOfNo@217.151.98.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 05:27 -!- AbuseOfNotation [~AbuseOfNo@217.151.98.168] has joined #lnd 05:27 -!- AbuseOfNotation [~AbuseOfNo@217.151.98.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27 -!- lio17 [~lio17@80.ip-145-239-89.eu] has joined #lnd 05:27 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:27 -!- AbuseOfNotation [~AbuseOfNo@217.151.98.168] has joined #lnd 05:28 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@101.98.42.91] has joined #lnd 05:33 < Sentineo> roasbeef: ah ok, so you always manipulate the time so it does not recalculate the diff? I beleive once can do it on testnet only because the diff drops to 1 after a while. 05:35 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 05:36 -!- siom__ [~siom@195.12.48.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:37 -!- jchia_1 [~jchia@58.32.39.123] has joined #lnd 05:49 -!- hsmiths [uid95325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzrpsphbnktvtnet] has joined #lnd 05:53 < molz> i'm running btcd on testnet, getting a bunch of `CHAN: Adding orphan block ...` 06:06 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lnd 06:11 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25 -!- siom__ [~siom@195.12.48.205] has joined #lnd 06:25 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 06:31 -!- hrofu is now known as hrofu_ 06:32 -!- hrofu_ is now known as hrofu 06:38 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 06:38 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 06:53 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 06:54 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:54 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:00 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 07:14 < lndbot> So I guess spontaneous payments fix underpaying attacks which is good! If the final hop were to construct a new UpdateAddHTLC, it wouldn’t work since the preimage is in the EOB for the receiver 07:15 < lndbot> Any idea when that will be the de facto standard for routing payments? And is it the idea that all payments use either AMP or a form of payments where the receiver doesn’t know the preimage ? 07:15 < lndbot> Like interactive payments but with the payment hash and preimage specified by the sender 07:17 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@dslb-088-068-073-153.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@dslb-088-068-073-153.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined #lnd 07:24 < lndbot> it's workable today on testnet for two nodes that run this PR so i figure it does the same on mainnet 07:25 < lndbot> AMP or Sphinx send ? 07:26 < lndbot> sphinx/key send 07:26 < lndbot> Gotcha 07:26 < lndbot> But I’m wondering if that will be the default 07:26 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:27 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 07:27 < lndbot> Basically if the receiver has a shop that just specifies an (ID, amount) tuple with some other information but no payment hash 07:28 < lndbot> i think the default is up to users/consumers 07:28 < lndbot> key-send won't get rid of invoices 07:28 < lndbot> Sure but you can get rid of receivers specifying payment hashes 07:29 < termos> might not be the correct place to ask, but what were to happen if i changed my lnd node in bluewallet to something else than the default? would I close any channels? 07:29 < lndbot> Although maybe that’s a little unreasonable 07:31 < lndbot> I guess then, there should be some better solution to a malicious node short changing the receiver if the sender decides to overpay for privacy 07:31 < termos> ah seems like any new wallets created after i change my lnd node will use the new one, so I can transfer funds to that new wallet 07:31 < lndbot> termos no clue about bluewallet, you have to ask them 07:33 < lndbot> eugene, it seems c-lightning stops the silly overpayment, i tested on my testnet node didn't see it yesterday but i will have to check to make sure 07:33 < lndbot> and the overpayment is their issue, not ours 07:33 < lndbot> Yeah totally but it’s also in the spec 07:33 < lndbot> right 07:33 < lndbot> Which is maybe a bit more problematic 07:34 < lndbot> then someone needs to PR to change the spec 07:34 < lndbot> Yeah for sure :zap: 07:35 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 07:38 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@host86-128-184-5.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lnd 07:42 -!- laptop500 [~laptop@host86-128-184-5.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:42 -!- jchia_1 [~jchia@58.32.39.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:43 -!- hrofu is now known as hrofu_ 07:43 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@ip565be285.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lnd 07:46 -!- spoke0_ [~spoke0@dslb-088-068-073-153.088.068.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:46 < bitconner> eugene, in a world with only AMP/p2nk, some are concerned that you lose the "proof of payment" which today is the preimage that gets returned to the sender 07:47 < bitconner> we can have both with AMP/p2nk, where the receiver generates some randomness, and the sender provides randomness in the payload as well 07:47 < bitconner> so the sender can put a random pubkey in the invoice, and the sender gets the private key to it, but the sneder also provides randomness to thwart attacks like this 07:52 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@ip565be285.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 07:52 < lndbot> What is p2nk here? Yeah if they both provide randomness this would work nicely 08:05 < lndbot> Hmm a little confused how it works, receiver has a pub key specified in the invoice, sender encrypts some value and sends it with the preimage that is a combination of this random value + pubkey? H(v || pubkey)? 08:06 <@roasbeef> eugene: you just send the pre-image in the onion 08:07 < lndbot> Well Conner said something about both sides providing randomness for proof of payment ? 08:09 -!- AbuseOfNotation [~AbuseOfNo@217.151.98.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:09 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@92.116.90.254] has joined #lnd 08:10 < lndbot> I get how AMP works, that make sense to me 08:20 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 08:20 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:21 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 08:26 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 08:27 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:31 <@roasbeef> ah didn't read that, yeah for proof of payment it's a bit diff 08:41 -!- bralyclow2 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vertion [61745495@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.116.84.149] has joined #lnd 22:34 < vertion> Hi everybody, I have a working build of LND running. WHere can I find the LND Macaroon in Hex format? 22:38 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 22:40 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-73-114-185-172.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 22:41 -!- bralyclow [bralyclow@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/bralyclow] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42 -!- bralyclow [bralyclow@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/bralyclow] has joined #lnd 22:43 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:43 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-114-185-172.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:49 -!- vertion [61745495@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.116.84.149] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:17 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 23:18 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 23:24 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 23:29 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:37 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 23:49 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 23:50 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]