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Lets say I open a channel from A->B funded with 0.1 BTC. Then I send 0.05 BTC to B. Over that channel, could B send 0.025 BTC of that back to A? 11:09 < lndbot> Yes except for a reserve limit 11:20 < fireduck> so as I understand LN, to do a payment it involves finding a route between the two nodes and then using capacity on those channels for the transfer 11:20 < fireduck> doesn't this involve essentially locking those channels for a few seconds? 11:21 < fireduck> I imagining a way someone could get the network topology, identify choke points and DoS them with transactions across them 11:23 < lndbot> No they aren’t locked 11:24 < fireduck> interesting, that is probably why the routes just fail sometimes 11:24 < fireduck> if anything changes in the chain it could no longer be an effective route 11:26 < lndbot> 0.7 has a new pathfinding system that will start to prioritize successful routes 11:26 < fireduck> awesome 11:26 < fireduck> I did some testing a number of months back and had a frustrating time when things would fail to route over and over 11:26 < fireduck> hopefully now it would try a different route 11:27 < fireduck> My VM server has extra capacity, I'm thinking about spinning up some more lnd testnet instances to try things out more 11:27 < lndbot> You can also specify your own routes 11:27 < fireduck> what is this, the dark ages? 11:28 < lndbot> There’s no one right answer for routes 11:28 < fireduck> There are many wrong answers. For example, BGP. 11:29 < lndbot> You can also tweak the new pathfinding system with its operating assumptions 11:29 < fireduck> cool. Do you have any links to docs on that? 11:29 < lndbot> If you do lnd -h it will show them under router 11:29 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 11:30 < lndbot> now that that's in master do you need the `routerrpc` build tag anymore? 11:30 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 11:31 < lndbot> The legacy pay methods were updated to use it so you don’t need the routerrpc tag 11:31 < fireduck> Is there some underlying technical reason that payment requests have to be created rather than just having addresses? 11:31 < fireduck> I imagine there has to be 11:31 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@193.117.169.106] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 11:32 < lndbot> We could use public keys instead 11:32 < lndbot> It’s more of a design choice 11:32 < fireduck> It does make it harder for my to make load testing tools. ;) 11:32 < lndbot> Why is that 11:33 < lndbot> You want to try accepting many payments? 11:33 < fireduck> yeah, I want to generate many payments 11:33 < fireduck> between nodes that I control just to see how it works 11:33 < lndbot> you can use that spare capacity to test out the keysend functionality https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/2455 :slightly_smiling_face: 11:33 < lndbot> Yeah you can use that PR 11:34 < lndbot> Public Key sending is an upcoming feature 11:34 < fireduck> Last time I tried it, I just had one node ssh into the other to generate an payment request 11:34 < lndbot> In theory it can also include messages 11:34 < fireduck> it was a little ugly hackish 11:34 < lndbot> You could pre-generate lots of invoices 11:36 < fireduck> when I was load testing bch I was doing strange things like generating addresses and putting them in a shared DB 11:36 < fireduck> I could do that, but with payment requests 11:37 < fireduck> Do any merchants accept LN payments? I could work on that. 11:37 < lndbot> There is yalls.org 11:38 < fireduck> ha, cool 11:39 < fireduck> I'm adding crypto payment support for a site I run. I should really abstract what I am doing into a sharable library. 11:39 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:39 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 11:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:46 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 11:58 < fireduck> Where does lnd keep the wallet data? 11:59 < lndbot> It depends on the platform 11:59 < lndbot> You can specify the location in the command arguments 12:00 < fireduck> ok, on linux run as non-root 12:01 < fireduck> ah, I got it 12:01 < lndbot> It uses the home directory ~/.lnd on linux 12:01 < fireduck> yeah, I nuked everything in there and lncli unlock didn't immediately error 12:01 < fireduck> so I thought I missed it somehow 12:11 -!- kim0 [uid105149@ubuntu/member/kim0] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:14 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:18 < tuxx> roasbeef: peer-funded a channel with funds on the peers side 12:19 < tuxx> roasbeef: i mean if i fund my lightning node i prolly wont be able to recieve, only send 12:19 < tuxx> roasbeef: i'd need to send out some founds first, before i can receive them back 12:29 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 12:30 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 12:30 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:31 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- scoop [~scoop@205.178.77.52] has joined #lnd 12:35 < lndbot> that's how it works since the dawn of lightning! 12:36 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 12:38 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has joined #lnd 12:40 < lndbot> and you used to need an IP in order to send someone Bitcoin... glad things have changed :slightly_smiling_face: 12:43 < lndbot> once we get splicing, inbound capacity could be a thing of the past because you could splice in funds from on-chain in order to pay someone on Lightning. 12:43 < lndbot> How would that work? 13:00 < lndbot> A(1BTC)<-->B(0BTC) C wants to send 1BTC C sends funds on-chain to A's side of the channel, A negotiates the splice with B to increase total capacity A(2BTC)<-->B(0BTC) 13:00 < lndbot> essentially like a normal splice except instead of the funds coming from A, they come from C. 13:01 < lndbot> now, is it possible to do trustlessly? probably. do I know how that would work? nahhh. 13:01 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 13:01 <@roasbeef> tuxx: ahh yeah, we're planning Loop integration which solves that 13:01 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01 < lndbot> So C gives A 1 BTC 13:01 < lndbot> What does C get? 13:02 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:02 < lndbot> C is paying A but C either doesn't have open channels or in this case, A doesn't have inbound capacity 13:02 < lndbot> Ah ok so C pays A on-chain instead of off-chain because A doesn’t have inbound liquidity 13:03 < lndbot> that's right 13:03 < lndbot> And at the same time a channel is created or expanded 13:03 < lndbot> Yeah that can work 13:03 < lndbot> But it doesn’t quite solve the problem for the next time 13:04 < lndbot> Next time you would have to go to chain again, so A still could do with some off-chain liquidity if he wants to receive future payments 13:07 < lndbot> You could do something like with a push amount so that you have some funds on both sides 13:07 < lndbot> yeah, along those lines I think the killer app that will help alleviate lots of liquidity problems is cooperative channel funding 13:07 < lndbot> it's just too easy to exploit that functionality in adverse ways if it existed 13:11 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@dslb-002-204-250-186.002.204.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:13 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:15 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 13:16 -!- MaxSan [~four@184.75.223.227] has joined #lnd 13:22 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- spoke0 [~spoke0@92.116.84.234] has joined #lnd 13:51 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zroqkehuhtzshdpe] has joined #lnd 13:53 -!- carlaKC [b84af09c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.74.240.156] has joined #lnd 13:53 -!- carlaKC [b84af09c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.74.240.156] has quit [Client Quit] 14:01 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:01 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:02 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 14:08 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 14:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lnd 14:30 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has joined #lnd 14:34 -!- x000 [~x000@unaffiliated/x000] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42 -!- pioklo [Pioklo@ip-91.246.70.194.skyware.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:52 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:52 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:53 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:55 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:56 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lnd 14:58 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:01 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lnd 15:03 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 15:03 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:04 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:10 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #lnd 15:24 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lnd 15:34 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Given that it’s real money, (even if it’s a small amount) I wanted to make sure the restore from seed worked. Anyway, the app consistently crashes when attempting to sync after being restored from seed 21:04 < simlay> Is this a known issue? 21:05 < lndbot> yes 21:06 < lndbot> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/3223 21:06 <@roasbeef> simlay: it's known and we have a fix incoming! 21:06 <@roasbeef> it affects lnd in general, not just the app, so we'll do another rc for 0.7 to ensure the fix is in place 21:07 < simlay> 👍 21:58 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@76.118.169.20] has joined #lnd 22:03 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@76.118.169.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06 -!- bralyclow [bralyclow@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/bralyclow] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:15 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@182.52.241.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@182.52.241.164] has joined #lnd 22:24 -!- hugohn [~textual@pool-71-167-27-172.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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