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LOL 10:51 < BB-Martino> so... not yet? ps. i'm banned from #bitcoin-* too, apparently the n+1th public log which I hosted was the most problematic and it couldn't wait 24 hours til I came back from holiday. 10:53 < _Sam--> i dont have a firm date yet i was supposed to go to a party sat night with my treasury dept. contact but i got sick. 10:56 < ianthius> _Sam--: even if the future you are suggesting comes to pass it would be an improvement on the existing financial system at least the system would be based on a non debt-based asset 10:56 < _Sam--> ianthius, it's a zero sum game ; if it improves for some, it gets worse for others. so i disagree with your view point 10:58 < ianthius> _Sam--: what is a zero sum game? 10:58 < _Sam--> a crypto based economy. it is actually worse for more people than what already exists in traditional banking. 10:59 < _Sam--> just look at the distribution of wealth in crypto (wealth gap) vs traditional monies. its self evident. 11:00 < ianthius> _Sam--: you are arguing that becuase wealth is consolidated to a greater degree in the crypto currency space that it will be a worse financial system? 11:00 < _Sam--> thefore, the world would be better without crypto, than with it. 11:00 < Veggen> Sam: latest news I have seen is this: 00:13 <@aj-ml> Rom til DKK803 blir plutselig hjørnesuite 11:00 < Veggen> 00:19 <@Demona> hihi 11:35 <@ryeng> «Hendelsen skjedde utendørs i et nabolag i Porsgrunn. Hun bekrefter at det ble avfyrt flere skudd. 11:00 < Veggen> oops. 11:00 < Veggen> sorry. 11:01 < Veggen> https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/coingeek-delves-into-what-fincens-new-guidelines-mean-for-dapps-lightning-network-and-privacy-coins-300848137.html 11:01 < Veggen> ..and I quote: 11:01 < Veggen> 00:13 <@aj-ml> Rom til DKK803 blir plutselig hjørnesuite 11:01 < Veggen> 00:19 <@Demona> hihi 11:35 <@ryeng> «Hendelsen skjedde utendørs i et nabolag i Porsgrunn. Hun bekrefter at det ble avfyrt flere skudd. 11:01 < Veggen> *fck* 11:01 < ianthius> in a deflationary system the wealth will spread as folks 'cash' out and hit their 'moon', which will cause great wealth equality.. imo 11:01 < Veggen> FinCEN recognizes that non-custodial wallets are not money transmitters; however, custodial wallets can trigger MSB requirements for the host. All crypto exchanges are custodial, which means they are always MSBs, even if operators like Binance focus only on crypto. 11:01 < _Sam--> the only thing deflationary in bitcoin, is the price in USD 11:02 < Veggen> This seems to imply that the issue at han is if it's custodial. 11:02 < Veggen> LN is not. 11:02 < Veggen> Noone holds funds that's not their own. 11:02 < _Sam--> the issue at hand is if you transmit other people's money, and receive a fee (lightning) then you are a money transmitter. end of story. 11:02 < ianthius> _Sam--: wrong. Once the block reward goes to zero it will be deflationary. 11:05 < Veggen> _Sam--: Not seen that issue at hand. 11:05 < _Sam--> ianthius, all of your lies about deflationary rhetoric are irrelevant to the issue at hand. 11:05 < Veggen> and btw, I am outside fincen jurisdiction :) 11:10 < _Sam--> sure, if you want to use lightning channels to bypass american sanctions and operate outside FINCEN rules then there's nothing america can do right? 11:10 < _Sam--> LOL 11:14 < Veggen> well. Until I have seen a credible source saying LN nodes will be regulated as money transmitters, I choose to label it as fud. 11:14 < _Sam--> its not still 2013 with cuck obama in there giving away everything and not offensively hacking all the tings 11:14 < _Sam--> jigs up 11:15 < Veggen> the only one who has said so recently is Jimmy Ngyen, and we all know which camp he belongs ;P 11:16 < ianthius> _Sam--: do you have anything relevant to say about LND? Otherwise move on. 11:17 < Veggen> ...agreed, this is a channel about LND, not about legal issues. 11:17 < _Sam--> i already stated all the relevant things. now i just get to sit back and gloat and enjoy. 11:18 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lnd 11:19 < _Sam--> and some day you will remember, that asshole, _Sam-- was right. 11:21 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:23 < lndbot> Hey if you don’t have anything constructive or positive to say, would you please leave? 11:56 -!- MaxSan [~four@104.254.90.243] has joined #lnd 12:33 -!- MaxSan [~four@104.254.90.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:37 -!- melvin_ [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-190.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lnd 12:47 -!- pioklo [~Pioklo@user-5-173-168-188.play-internet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49 -!- pioklo 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