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09:29 < Talkless> In 1ml.com I can see which of my node's channels are long time not updated, as other side node unavailable for moths, for example. How coul I see long-stale channels via lncli? I don't see anything usefull via listchannels
09:30 < Talkless> Like timestamp of last update, etc..?
09:31 < Talkless> Oh it's getchaninfo..
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09:35 < Talkless> I should really try to use some UI wrappers for LND... :/
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13:21 < LordCow> ohi, lncli queryroutes only gives me 1 route to dest, even when i can see multiple routes on explorers?
13:22 < LordCow> trying to find routes to sendtoroute to balances channels
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14:47 <@roasbeef> LordCow: if you use it with the --use_mac command, it's pretty smart actually 
14:47 <@roasbeef> also if you're on master, you can now ask for a circular route to rebalance your channels when sending payments using payinvoice 
14:48 <@roasbeef> LordCow: also not that to a certain point, you may not be able to rebalance (all channels saturated), which is where stuff like Loop come sinto play 
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15:14 < LordCow> hey roasbeef, --use_mc? i've tried that and still just get 1 route back
15:15 < LordCow> for anything i try, but specifically for the route i know i have multiple to
15:15 <@roasbeef> LordCow: yes, it'll give yuo one route 
15:15 <@roasbeef> but tht route takes into context and the past history of any priro routes 
15:15 <@roasbeef> multiple routes being returned was phased out 
15:15 <@roasbeef> the new interface is intended to be easier to use  
15:16 < LordCow> think i'm on master, 0.8.0-beta commit=v0.8.0-beta-299-gd59aba35a0adf1cae095eebaef4feaa01aabdccf
15:16 < LordCow> orite
15:16 <@roasbeef> did you see that PR referenced above? that shoudl allow you to rebalance np, but there're cases where you'll still need Loop 
15:16 <@roasbeef> as you send more payments, the path finding gets smarter 
15:16 <@roasbeef> it takes into account past payment sizes, failures+successes, etc 
15:16 < LordCow> nopr didn't see PR
15:16 <@roasbeef> there's also some knobs you can tune 
15:17 <@roasbeef> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/3739
15:17 < LordCow> have also tried loop but still getting stuck
15:19 <@roasbeef> what exactlty are yoy trying to do? 
15:19 <@roasbeef> what's getting stuck mean 
15:19 <@roasbeef> if you have a new channel that has all the balance on your side (just opened), then you can use Loop Out to rebalance that 
15:19 < LordCow> orite yes saw that PR
15:19 <@roasbeef> if all your channels are in that state, then you can't do off chain rebalancing 
15:19 <@roasbeef> after you've looped out, you have room in your channel for off-chain rebalancing 
15:20 < LordCow> loop out worked for some, think i just have too small channel sizes (channels are mostly 400k sats)
15:20 <@roasbeef> but if you're receiving/sending from that node frequently yourself, then you may need to loop again at some time in the future 
15:20 <@roasbeef> ah yeh there's also a min loop out size as well 
15:21 < LordCow> i can for example send sats out over the channels i need more capacity on the remote side fine, but then can't send the sats back in to the channels that need local capacity because i can't choose the ones i need
15:30 <@roasbeef> LordCow: please see that PR, it lets you *choose* the channel 
15:31 <@roasbeef> but if that channel has zero inbound (was just made), then you can't send *into* it from another, so you need to first *loop out* 
15:31 < LordCow> ok thx
15:32 < LordCow> well people have connected to me so they have the full remote balance etc
15:47 < LordCow> omgosh that worked
15:47  * LordCow hugs roasbeef
15:54 < LordCow> tx for all the awesome stuff you guys do
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