--- Day changed Thu Feb 06 2020 00:07 -!- gethh [uid264798@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oxckaigizyvrelco] has joined #lnd 00:18 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has joined #lnd 00:22 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 00:25 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:51 -!- jpe [~jp@89.244.121.63] has joined #lnd 01:03 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lnd 01:58 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 01:58 < lnd-bot> [lnd] carlaKC opened pull request #3984: channeldb: Replace fetchChannels pending/waiting bools with optional filters (master...channeldb-fetchchannels) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/3984 01:58 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 02:34 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:25 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has 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[~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:33 -!- lemmi [~lemmi@lpm.pw] has joined #lnd 13:36 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:37 -!- manantial [~tecnecio_@unaffiliated/manantial] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:43 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 13:55 < tangibleat> roasbeef: channel (id 673725749984952320) still has not come back, still "disabled" on their end. Is there something that I can do or that Dmitry from Lightningtome can do, other than waiting more? 14:00 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 14:12 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:13 < molz_> tangibleat, have you restarted your node? 14:14 < tangibleat> molz_: yes, it's been up 40hr now 14:16 < molz_> does your node go offline quite frequently? 14:23 -!- francisco_ [uid418144@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcvwztnwmvnkoorc] has joined #lnd 14:41 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 14:43 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46 -!- qprime [~irc@gateway/tor-sasl/qprime] has joined #lnd 14:54 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 14:57 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 15:10 < gkrizek> Can you care can you create multiple wallets on a single lightning node? 15:10 < gkrizek> create * 15:10 < gkrizek> wow sorry. Let me try that again, haha. 15:11 < gkrizek> Can you create multiple separate wallets from a single lightning node? 15:15 < molz_> no 15:17 < molz_> lightning 'wallet' is not like bitcoin wallet, each lightning 'wallet' is a node and each node is a wallet 15:20 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [] 15:22 < gkrizek> Awesome. Thanks for the explanation 15:29 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:35 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 15:36 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 15:38 -!- molz_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 16:31 -!- Pioklo_ [~Pioklo@118-40.echostar.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:39 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:25 <@roasbeef> tangibleat: would be helpful to maybe get some logs of when you connect to them 17:25 <@roasbeef> do you also know which node they're running? and is the connection also stable? 17:26 <@roasbeef> gkrizek: yeh as moli said rn there's a 1:1 mapping, it's _possible_ to create a higher level abstraction to multiplex a wallet like people like bluewallet do, but there'll still be some leaks and werid edge cases 17:26 <@roasbeef> for example if I'm "sharing" a channel with someone, and then it force closes (maybe I do something to trigger it maliciously), then what happend if the other person wants to withdraw their funds? 17:44 -!- hydra0 [~25519@gateway/tor-sasl/onryo] has joined #lnd 17:47 < hydra0> trying to balance a channel for a few million. Normally it works with lncli payinvoice --allow_self_payment --outgoing_chan_id xxxxx --last_hop xxxx invoice 17:48 < hydra0> but now when I tried after I said "Yes" lnd just hangs and is doing nothing. Using the newest release on debian 17:48 <@roasbeef> do you see attempts in the logs? 17:48 < hydra0> time before I got "payment_error": "payment attempt not completed before timeout", 17:48 < hydra0> "payment_preimage": null, 17:48 <@roasbeef> also what debug level are you in the logs if you know what that is 17:49 <@roasbeef> ah ok you can try again, and if it exits you can try to increase the timeout 17:49 <@roasbeef> as it goes longer, it learns more about the current sttate of things, so it can avoid back tracking on paths it knows didn't work last time 17:49 < hydra0> The first time I timed out. 2ed time it is just hanging there. 17:50 < hydra0> OK been hung for about 4-5 min. It is 500k though 17:50 <@roasbeef> ah if you didn't change the options, then it coul dbe something else 17:51 < hydra0> hmmm ok Ill try to figure it out. Could I have lost that 500k? 17:51 <@roasbeef> nah 17:51 < hydra0> worked fine with 10k a few min before. 17:51 <@roasbeef> depending on your logs level, i'd look at the last attempt to see what route it ended up taking 17:51 < hydra0> I do use onion though 17:52 <@roasbeef> use onion? 17:52 < hydra0> tor 17:52 < hydra0> bad wording sry 17:52 <@roasbeef> ah hmm, yeh we've disccovered that we actually need to restrict the numbe of outgoing connections when going over tor 17:52 <@roasbeef> as there're some default settings w.r.t the amount ot active circuits it'll make 17:53 <@roasbeef> usage in software like bitcoind usually doesn't run into this it seems as they may target only 8 outgoing transient connections, while LN nodes can have way more connections that are also meant to be persistent 17:53 < hydra0> OK so should I just Ctrl-c ? 17:54 <@roasbeef> i'd maybe try a restart first? could be the circuit broke and the node has the pre-iamge or want sto cancel back 17:54 < hydra0> just lncli stop then? 17:54 <@roasbeef> yeh, then bring er back up 17:55 < hydra0> "payment_error": "router shutting down", 17:55 <@roasbeef> expected 17:56 < hydra0> hmm should I try without tor.streamisolation=1 17:57 < hydra0> wondering if that would cause to many streams? 17:57 <@roasbeef> that exhaust the total limit? totally feasible we haven't dug too deep into it yet 17:57 <@roasbeef> but we do know it can be a problem 17:59 < hydra0> Year ago I use to use tortunnels buy Moxie. Have a bad idea I'm going to try =) 17:59 < hydra0> Years 17:59 <@roasbeef> is the node back up? did that payment get resolved (completed or not) 18:01 < hydra0> Yeah the nodes up but the payment did not complete 18:02 <@roasbeef> how'd you determine that? looking at listpayments? 18:02 <@roasbeef> there's a flag that'll show failed attempts as well, if you look at the -h 18:02 < hydra0> Well I don't see anything btc come in on the channels I was trying to balance 18:03 < hydra0> one sec did not know about that flag... 18:04 <@roasbeef> so it it failed back, then that's fine 18:04 < hydra0> --include_incomplete ? 18:04 <@roasbeef> may have been the case that the node wasn't to tell you that attempt failed, but the circuot broke 18:04 <@roasbeef> yeah 18:04 <@roasbeef> or if you do 'listchannels', do you aee pending htlcs on any channel? 18:05 < hydra0> "status": "IN_FLIGHT", 18:05 < hydra0> is that bad? 18:05 <@roasbeef> check listchannels for what I mentioned above 18:07 -!- MaxSan [~four@195.206.105.203] has joined #lnd 18:08 < hydra0> lncli listchannels |grep -i htlc 18:08 < hydra0> "pending_htlcs": [ 18:08 < hydra0> "pending_htlcs": [ 18:08 < hydra0> "pending_htlcs": [ 18:08 <@roasbeef> add another line there? 18:08 <@roasbeef> i think it's -n 18:09 <@roasbeef> nah -m 18:10 < hydra0> You mean listchannels -m ? 18:10 < hydra0> there is no other lines after the last pending_htlcs there 18:12 <@roasbeef> ah ok, then it's ok 18:12 <@roasbeef> funds should be back in that channel, and you can retry your rebalance attempt 18:12 <@roasbeef> no i mean grep -m 18:12 <@roasbeef> to show more lines after the match 18:13 < wpaulino> should be grep -A 10 for 10 lines after match 18:13 <@roasbeef> i use mostly 'ack' ;) 18:13 <@roasbeef> that nu nu 18:21 < hydra0> ah gotcha =) 18:21 < hydra0> lncli listchannels |grep -A10 htlc 18:21 < hydra0> "pending_htlcs": [ 18:21 < hydra0> { 18:21 < hydra0> "incoming": false, 18:21 < hydra0> "amount": "500024", 18:21 < hydra0> "hash_lock": "XXXXX", 18:22 < hydra0> "expiration_height": 616715 18:22 < hydra0> } 18:22 < hydra0> ], 18:22 < hydra0> and some more for the other hops. 18:22 < hydra0> whats the expiration_height about? 18:24 < hydra0> so this bad? 18:55 <@roasbeef> were you able to reconnect to all your peers on restart hydra0 ? 18:55 <@roasbeef> and still over tor rn I'm guessing? 18:55 <@roasbeef> how many channels do you have hydra0 ? 18:57 < hydra0> Just have 3 channels 18:58 < hydra0> ill restart again. I mean I am using a xeon server with a solid internet. 18:59 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has joined #lnd 18:59 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has quit [Client Quit] 19:00 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has joined #lnd 19:00 < hydra0> Looks like I am reconnect to them all yeah 19:01 < hydra0> Does that mean I just have to wait for the expiration height? 19:02 < hydra0> and yes over tor. Should I turn that off? Or service tor restart? 19:04 <@roasbeef> nah you shouldbe fine w/ just 3 19:05 < hydra0> so am I boned? 19:06 < hydra0> the channels are kinda big though. Like 2 to 4 million 19:22 < hydra0> roasbeef, What happens when block height 616715 rolls around? 19:42 < hydra0> OK now I see that his node is down. 19:44 <@roasbeef> ah ok makes sense hydra0 19:44 <@roasbeef> you're fine, the HTLC will expire eventually 19:45 < hydra0> in 400 blocks. Its all good just as long as I get it back 20:00 < hydra0> there recently a protocol change IIRC. The preimage is not enough to claim funds. Only the destination can do that? 20:01 < hydra0> final destination :) 20:06 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 20:06 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40 < hydra0> Forgot to thank you for your help! Thx :) 20:55 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 -!- libertyprime [~libertypr@202.94.72.250] has joined #lnd 21:11 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 21:34 < gkrizek> So are Macaroons essentially the same things as private keys? Does your seed recreate the macaroons? Also, what exactly is stored in wallet.db? Just balance info and such? 21:38 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has joined #lnd 21:39 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 21:39 < gkrizek> Also also, when a wallet is locked, what exactly is encrypted and then also decrypted when it's unlocked? 21:41 -!- Dave_ [uid420748@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dfpjjgmcwzwptrcu] has joined #lnd 21:42 -!- Dave_ is now known as SuperDave 21:42 -!- SuperDave is now known as SuperDaveAll 21:43 -!- spoke0_ [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has joined #lnd 21:44 < SuperDaveAll> Hey so I had about 12 million or so sats on lnd. I thought I did a full backup but I only ended up getting the seed and channel backup file. I’ve recovered about half of it but wanted to see if someone could share tips about this process. Some of the onchain and off chain funds were on there for months 21:45 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:45 < SuperDaveAll> I have a password seed saved in my manager where my lnd seed is also saved but when I try to restore it with that password it says it’s incorrect. I’ve just restored using the seed itself and some funds have come back 21:46 < SuperDaveAll> I’ve seen I can do things like have a higher recovery scan but does that only benefit on chain transactions? What would be a good range if the wallet was created all the way back in May? 21:54 <@roasbeef> gkrizek: macaroons are basically a hash, and some data to authenticat ealong with that hash 21:54 <@roasbeef> it uses hmac, lnd has a private key, then does something like hamc(key, "read"), then you present that output and it can regenerate the macaroon to verify that you actually have a read macaroon 21:55 <@roasbeef> (a simplification) 21:55 <@roasbeef> SuperDaveAll: have you read this? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/recovery.md 21:56 < SuperDaveAll> Yes, I have. I’ve been using the lncli create with the multi file argument 21:57 < gkrizek> Ok, makes sense roasbeef. Thank you. 21:58 < SuperDaveAll> I’m just wondering if I had not successfully unlocked my actual true seed and just used my seed without a password, it would generate empty but valid keys correct? Would that mean that some of my off chain balances could be restored on this password-less seed if I did it with the channel.backup file or does the fact that any funds were recovered prove the seed doesn’t need a password and I may have not used it but 21:58 < SuperDaveAll> recorded it by accident 21:59 <@roasbeef> gkrizek: this is a pretty good blog post on the subject: https://hackingdistributed.com/2014/05/16/macaroons-are-better-than-cookies/ 21:59 < gkrizek> Thanks! I'll give that a read 22:02 <@roasbeef> SuperDaveAll: if you have the same state, and it says the password is incorrect, then either the password or the wallet.db have been swapped or are wrong 22:02 <@roasbeef> the seed has a birthday encoded in it, so it knows when to start looking in the chain, instead of needing to start from genesis 22:04 <@roasbeef> the password is just for encrypting keys and stuff on disk 22:04 < SuperDaveAll> roasbeef: if I had a password protected seed but forgot the password and just restored the seed without one, it would still make a valid but empty wallet, correct? Would it have any errors in recovering off chain funds if this empty wallet was used instead of the decrypted password protected seed? 22:04 <@roasbeef> your seed is the true key to your onchain coins along with the scb for off-chain 22:05 < SuperDaveAll> I’m not talking about the wallet password, I had in my manager a note that I made a password for the lnd seed itself 22:05 <@roasbeef> if you had a password protected seed and attempted to use it w/o the password, it would fail 22:05 < SuperDaveAll> Gotcha, that’s what I wanted to know. Thank you for clarifying 22:05 <@roasbeef> the seed is actually an encrypted payload that contains the entropy and other metadata like a version and birthday 22:06 <@roasbeef> so if you try to use the wrong password, it just fails rather than going to some random wallet like bip39 would 22:06 <@roasbeef> which could make you think you lost funds or had the wrong wallet or something 22:07 < SuperDaveAll> That does help a lot 22:08 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08 < SuperDaveAll> roasbeef: so if I had the seed and the channel.backup file, would the best way to restore from scratch be lncli create -multi_file=channels.backup ? 22:09 < SuperDaveAll> Would I need to worry about connecting to the 12-13 peers I had before or can it automatically do that from the scb? 22:09 < SuperDaveAll> And if I was waiting for channels to close from an scb recovery, what would be a good command to view its progress? The commands I normally use for viewing channels aren’t showing anything 22:18 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has joined #lnd 22:26 <@roasbeef> SuperDaveAll: yeah you can restore like that, older channels may need that peer connect, but newer ones just once it has been closed 22:26 <@roasbeef> you can use pendingchannels to view the progress 22:26 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 22:27 < SuperDaveAll> roasbeef: is there any way I could find out what peers I need to connect to? 22:30 < SuperDaveAll> I am able to view the pending channels, thank you 22:33 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has joined #lnd 22:35 -!- midnightmagic is now known as midnight 22:36 -!- spoke0_ [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:48 -!- spoke0 [spoke0@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/spoke0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57 -!- manantial [~tecnecio_@unaffiliated/manantial] has joined #lnd 23:02 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@79.173.134.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 23:14 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:49 < SuperDaveAll> I was able to restore everything! Thanks so much roasbeef 23:49 -!- SuperDaveAll [uid420748@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dfpjjgmcwzwptrcu] has left #lnd [] 23:50 < tangibleat> molz_: yes, my node does go offline often, like a few hours weekly (average); in principle it's online day and night, but it's a laptop after all. That said, it's only that particular channel that I notice missing, all the others seem fine. 23:52 < tangibleat> roasbeef: lightningtome mentioned they used lnd. How can I get those connection logs? 23:55 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #lnd 23:59 < tangibleat> grep on the log file shows this: 23:59 < tangibleat> [ERR] FNDG: unable to cancel reservation: no active reservations for peer(03bb88ccc444534da7b5b64b4f7b15e1eccb18e102db0e400d4b9cfe93763aa26d)