--- Day changed Sun May 24 2020 00:34 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 00:35 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 00:38 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- wizardsmoke [uid209547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cizlljilfemsjfxi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 01:37 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #lnd 01:49 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 02:02 -!- molz_ [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:13 -!- Talkless [~Talkless@hst-227-49.splius.lt] has joined #lnd 02:15 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:16 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 02:16 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has joined #lnd 02:21 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28 -!- dethos [~dethos@213.190.211.160] has joined #lnd 02:32 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@89-64-15-28.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lnd 02:36 -!- EagleTM [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:44 < z1> Talkless: I think routing should work now, 02:45 < z1> Talkless: added external ip information in ~/.lnd/lnd.conf 02:45 < z1> Could you please try now. 02:53 < Talkless> z1: create new invoice, as old one probably gonna be expired 02:54 < Talkless> z1: "lncli getnodeinfo 023403325e93e508a05fa4417c219381ad07df95190924d9971540658a3a7068dc" still shows empty list of channels, but we can try 02:55 < Talkless> z1: tell me the whole connection string (pk + ip) so I would connect to your node directly 03:01 < z1> lnbc1p0v53wspp5zcgnxl07v5wmtz2sjt0x3fnl7vfyctgnc3agqhg0venaf5ngwqgsdqqcqzpgsp57m9fmn5fuawhhrh90zjm3l0h9d6mp9epmj85xgep6hthcddez0nq9qy9qsqjaszvplzlzk024ck6zrhxn5qu05z59h40p8pg67eqvz4acur0ng97cdvpuzfvfrjh8czp0cnzrz7xmclhu0nnwtufq9axc4ygj2c70sqkaqphf 03:01 < z1> 023403325e93e508a05fa4417c219381ad07df95190924d9971540658a3a7068dc@49.205.217.234:9735 03:03 < Talkless> z1: give me some time, I'm restarting my arm node 03:03 < z1> Talkless:Sure 03:15 -!- aqquadro [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has joined #lnd 03:31 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 04:05 -!- mol [~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lnd 04:07 < Talkless> z1: sorry, invoice expired, try again? 04:08 < z1> Talkless:Yes 1 min. 04:09 < z1> lnbc10n1p0v54wupp5820wkq45vvshev07ehg5f4xqy6cu9r7r9mmx3ef8v6uqnt4uzquqdql235xzmntwvkzq4r9wd6zqgmvdejzqdqcqzpgsp5atyxe6l92f0ps4xtmkmflzw9zr8wvfdghdt0kekn7q4gtu2mmgws9qy9qsq5z28cey5exn20qnjtsyets6z395yny7u2wqf6c20cyhxlgn4rheq4sz64y736j900rhhdhqpc7fcx4p47p7wqqcqdmgg8f79llt42rsqfsrexl 04:10 < Talkless> z1: sadly still no route 04:10 < Talkless> z1: i'll try connecting directly... 04:11 < Talkless> z1: same :( 04:11 < z1> oh 04:12 < Talkless> z1: maybe that 1 satoshi is not enough on remote side for whatever reasons? 04:13 < z1> Looks like no one can send to my node over lightning network. 04:13 < Talkless> z1: you still have that 1 sat on remote side? 04:13 < Talkless> z1: or you have spend more? 04:14 < z1> Talkless:Yes, "remote_balance": "1", for older channel, and 0 remote balance on 1lm. 04:14 < z1> shall i send 10 sats to your node? I do have local balance though. 04:15 < z1> "confirmed_balance": "53489", 04:15 < Talkless> z1: to me or someone else. You could play around, buy some steam games, feed sheep etc? :) 04:16 < z1> Talkless:how do i send to you? 10 sats. invoice please. 04:16 < Talkless> z1: ok 04:16 < Talkless> just a sec 04:17 < Talkless> z1: lnbc100n1p0v547rpp5tz04g4v7p7tr925mw8reh6av8mt7pn4kvcy8huh394h4t94235xqdqlgehhygr6xys8gmeqw3jhxapqd4hhyegcqzpgsp5ym9kttds4khfmjketa5dr70h6cemvjnlvjqt5e93f63hjlwc70qq9qy9qsq9yh24yqmezdy3r0a5jjpv9qky7pm3p7xhx3j537293gjttygm2kkn3msgk8ylkjhr6dysfcx633wm8750x99lc6pqaht3q5r3mfcevsphr9j4v 04:17 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #lnd 04:19 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19 < z1> Payment status: FAILED, reason: FAILURE_REASON_NO_ROUTE 04:20 < Talkless> z1: tray again few times 04:20 < z1> ok 04:23 < z1> still same error. will try in 5 minutes again. 04:24 < Talkless> :/ 04:24 < Talkless> z1: I have multiple channels, with more than milinion sats on remote side... 04:26 < z1> Talkless: so it means my node config is with issues, earlier there was no route error when i sent 1 sats test 04:29 < z1> and route error comes within miliseconds, not sure even my node is trying to find a route or not. 04:31 < z1> worked this time. 04:31 < z1> Payment hash: 589f54559e0f9632aa9b71c79bebac3ed7e0ceb666087bf2f12d6f5596aa8d0c 04:33 < Talkless> z1: ok I'm trying to pay 1sat 04:33 < Talkless> z1: idunno, I am still getting no route 04:34 < z1> https://paste.centos.org/view/3ca6158f 04:35 < z1> this time i hit enter on yes/no prompt without yes or no, i gave almost 5 seconds pause. 04:36 < Talkless> strange, I just get same question, I have to set Yes 04:38 < z1> now for older channel "remote_balance": "11", 04:38 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:38 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 04:43 < Talkless> z1: yes, but not sure why I can't find route to you 04:49 -!- Riansohn [2e4b324f@046075050079.atmpu0010.highway.a1.net] has joined #lnd 04:56 < z1> Talkless: for others your route is working? not sure how to verify my node. 04:57 < Talkless> z1: Yes I did payment few days ago 04:57 < Talkless> z1: I'll donate 1eur to some podcast in a sec to re-check 04:58 < Talkless> or better to https://www.bitcoinvenezuela.com/... 05:01 < Talkless> I got FAILURE_REASON_INCORRECT_PAYMENT_DETAILS, wtf..? 05:02 < z1> Talkless:probably local node issue.. 05:05 < Talkless> wpaulino: Veggen any ideas on this: https://paste.mozilla.org/Fj4tJMp1 05:05 < Talkless> it's invoice from OpenNode 05:05 < Talkless> "FINAL_EXPIRY_TOO_SOON" ? 05:10 < Riansohn> Hey guys, I have a short questions. Is there anything that prevents a node with 0 local balance to publish old channel states, because he has nothing to lose if they get punished? 05:12 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:17 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 05:31 -!- sh_smith [~sh_smith@cpe-172-88-21-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lnd 05:33 -!- aqquadro [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:42 < mol> Riansohn, if he has 0 sat in local_balance, what can he gain by publishing and old state? 05:42 < mol> s/and/an 05:43 < Riansohn> If he had balance before. e.g. you open a channel with me, send sats to me and I back to you, for routing a payment for example. 05:43 < mol> then he still has some sats in his local balance 05:44 -!- aqquadro [~aqquadro@unaffiliated/aqquadro] has joined #lnd 05:45 < Riansohn> Couldn't he just use his channel until local balance is 0 05:45 < mol> no 05:46 < Riansohn> Lets say you open a channel with me and 1 btc on your side. If you pay me (or route throug me) my local balance is then 1 btc. Why am I not able to pay that 1 btc to someone else so my local balance is 0 again? 05:49 < Riansohn> If your node crashes or is offline I could then publish the state where I had 1 btc local balance without any risk, because my real balance is 0. Or am I missing something? 06:13 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:13 < mol> i think this question has been answered the last 4 yrs million times 06:17 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-prrbldyoeyixqcwk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:20 < z1> Riansohn: I had the very same questions couple of days ago, and what i found is..testnet is best if you don't want to take a risk. To have a real channel I had to put some amount :D and lost some amount very first day too.. 06:20 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:22 -!- madflavor [sid99242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-szmoommdiaxicryb] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:23 < Riansohn> I don't want to try and defraud anyone, I was just wondering how the penalty system works if there is 0 local balance. That's all. Not sure why mol is so passive aggressive about that. 06:23 < Riansohn> I'm running a node since lnd went into beta 2 years ago and I haven't seen that question asked before or talked about anywhere, but I also didn't look for it before. That's why I came here to get a quick answer. 06:24 < Riansohn> mol I would appreciate it if you could point me to one of those million answers. 06:25 < z1> Riansohn:well, i ran node with 0 balances and there was no channel was opened automatically. 06:26 -!- madflavor [sid99242@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlqflcmepnfjoagt] has joined #lnd 06:26 < z1> Riansohn: https://dev.lightning.community/tutorial/01-lncli/index.html is very nice document which you can start with. 06:27 < z1> Riansohn: I let my node running for couple of days, i don't think any channel would open with 0 by default. 06:29 < Riansohn> I think you misunderstand my question. It's not about opening channels or anything, it's just about publishing an old channel state (with local balance >0) when your actual local balance is 0. As I understand it if you get caught you lose all your funds in the channel, in that case it would be 0 though. 06:32 < Riansohn> I thought about this when I was reading about static channel backups. Not sure if you have to rely on the other node to be honest when using those to restore your funds. 06:32 < z1> Riansohn: Sorry, idk.. i am n00b..just exploring, learning new things. 06:35 < Riansohn> no worries, i feel the same. 06:35 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 06:40 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjypeezqhvbpncyr] has joined #lnd 06:51 < Veggen> Riansohn: there is a channel reserve that the other node won't let you spend, because you should always have something to lose. 06:53 < Riansohn> Thanks a lot for the answer Veggen, thats the answer I was looking for! 07:09 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 07:15 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 07:38 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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You're hooked now! ⚡ 19:40 < mol> wizardsmoke, how often do you buy pizza? 19:40 < wizardsmoke> never 19:41 < wizardsmoke> I eat a super healthy diet and workout all the time 19:41 < mol> no kidding, this is your first time? 19:41 < wizardsmoke> nothing against pizza, it just usually does not fit my macro profile 19:41 < mol> i see 19:41 < wizardsmoke> I have to ready to fight ninjas at any time 19:42 < mol> fight ninjas? 19:42 < wizardsmoke> or ya know whatever. just be functionally strong, look and feel great, get my mack on 19:43 < wizardsmoke> He was speakin thizzlamic but I can understand it 19:43 < wizardsmoke> He said "Al Boo Boo, the eagle has landed" 19:46 < mol> lol ok 20:25 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:25 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25 -!- vindard [~vindard@190.83.165.233] has joined #lnd 20:25 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #lnd 20:43 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lnd 20:55 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-62-248-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has joined #lnd 21:32 -!- normo [~normo@7.95.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lnd 21:47 -!- AbramAde_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #lnd 22:15 -!- brtastic [~Thunderbi@2a02:a315:413a:7580:879e:25b4:92ae:7858] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:40 -!- yzernik_ [~yzernik@75-25-138-252.lightspeed.plalca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:41 -!- lesless [~lessless@176.100.5.246] has joined #lnd 23:50 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56 -!- k3tan [~pi@unaffiliated/k3tan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56 -!- k3tan [~pi@unaffiliated/k3tan] has joined #lnd