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[~mol@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-2-169.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lnd 13:32 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-3-32.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:47 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has joined #lnd 14:08 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 14:08 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Crypt-iQ opened pull request #4797: make: add zpay32 to fuzz_flags.mk (master...zpay32_fflags) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4797 14:08 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 14:22 -!- Nebraskka [~Nebraskka@51.83.249.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 -!- Nebraskka [~Nebraskka@51.83.249.56] has joined #lnd 14:37 -!- ongo [~weechat@static.179.176.203.116.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lnd 14:38 < ongo> hello, I run EPS + a pruned node, but without a lightning node (not enough storage) I am concerned with my privacy, would I be trading it off if I used a random lightning node not owned by me? 14:40 <@roasbeef> ongo: you can't use another lightnign node, since that would basically be custodial if I understand correctly 14:40 <@roasbeef> err well you can, but then you'd give up not privacy but ownership of your coins 14:40 <@roasbeef> what's EPS? 14:40 <@roasbeef> also fwiw lnd doesn't fullly support pruned nodes 14:40 < ongo> roasbeef: Electrum personal server, I mean by other nodes, in Electrum it lets me select remote node IDs 14:41 <@roasbeef> if need be you can use the neutrino mode 14:41 <@roasbeef> ah gotcha 14:41 < ongo> how much storage does neutrino require? 14:41 <@roasbeef> < 1GB 14:41 < ongo> oh nice, are there any restrictions? 14:42 < ongo> e.g. can I connect my electrum wallet to a neutrino node 14:42 <@roasbeef> so the neutrino node would connect to toher full nodes that can serve it 14:42 <@roasbeef> EPS afaik just works directly with bitcoind 14:42 <@roasbeef> so if yu're using an electurm wallet as well, then you'd want to keep that around 14:43 < ongo> yes, but not with lightning. 14:43 < ongo> it does support lightning, but not with EPS. EPS doesn't have LN support yet 14:43 <@roasbeef> gotcha yeh so you should be able to add on neutrino, tho your full node might not be able to serve it directly, since afaik bitcoind doesn't keep the block filters it needs if in pruned mode 14:43 < ongo> ah rip 14:44 <@roasbeef> iirc there's a PR open in bitcoind to enable that tho 14:44 < ongo> what happens if I connect to other remote nodes to open a channel? 14:44 <@roasbeef> other LN nodes? 14:44 < ongo> roasbeef: https://0x0.st/iR1R.png 14:44 < ongo> it allows me to suggest a peer, I don't really know what that means 14:45 <@roasbeef> that's electrum? 14:45 < ongo> yes 14:45 <@roasbeef> I'm guessing that's the LN UI in it? doesn't seem to be very distinct in the UI afaict 14:45 <@roasbeef> I guess that'll use electrum's LN impl 14:45 < ongo> yes, that's the LN UI 14:45 <@roasbeef> you're asking hbow it works even tho the nodes is pruned, or? 14:45 < ongo> but what does it mean that it will connect to a remote node? 14:45 <@roasbeef> I think it means an LN peer 14:45 < ongo> well, I don't run a lightning node, so how can I use lightning 14:46 <@roasbeef> so that's like a channel open form 14:46 <@roasbeef> if you want to use lnd, and don't have the disk space, you can use neutrino mode 14:46 < ongo> but it doesn't support pruned nodes you mentioned :/ 14:46 <@roasbeef> if you want to use electrum, then you can use it in their UI, which is distinct from lnd, as it's a new impl entirely 14:46 < ongo> aah okay 14:46 <@roasbeef> so on the Bitcoin _p2p_ level you can connect out to toher nodes 14:46 <@roasbeef> then just use your electrum node for on chain stuff I guess 14:47 <@roasbeef> or you can use lnd for that too if you just want a single seed to manage 14:47 < ongo> so I suppose electrum has some routing there hence it suggests other peers? 14:47 <@roasbeef> I haven't used the electrum stuff exntensively, so I don't know how much it's missing or any major bugs it has 14:47 < ongo> also allows me to swap funds for a 0.5% fee and a bit 14:47 < ongo> afaik it's beta 14:47 <@roasbeef> yeah it lets you connect out to other peers 14:47 <@roasbeef> actually I don't think it supports forwarding payments 14:48 <@roasbeef> just sending/receiving, but I could be wrong 14:48 <@roasbeef> fwiw Loop charges a lower fee than that ;) 14:49 < ongo> loop? 14:49 < ongo> I'm out of the loop when it comes to LN :D 14:49 <@roasbeef> so the quetion you should ask yourself is: do you want to use electrum for everything? (both on-chain and LN), or use lnd for everything, you can also run both if you want as well 14:49 <@roasbeef> hehe basically that swap thing you're referring to 14:49 <@roasbeef> http://lightning.engineering/loop 14:49 < ongo> I would rather run one, but I can't run LND due to storage restrictions unfortunately 14:50 <@roasbeef> if you run https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-terminal then you get lnd+loop together and also a UI to manage it 14:50 <@roasbeef> gotcha you an run just neutrino if after rmoving EPS you still don't have enough space 14:50 < ongo> but I can't connect to my bitcoin node then cause I'm pruned 14:50 < ongo> so I can't run even neutrino 14:50 <@roasbeef> you can connect to other nodes for that on the p2p network 14:51 < ongo> but then I lose privacy 14:51 <@roasbeef> but if you don't want to do that, then yeah you'd need an unpruned bitcoind node, but if it's unpruned, then you could jsut use the reg full node backend 14:51 < ongo> my goal is to stay completely private on the network, which I do with EPS + bitcoind over tor 14:51 <@roasbeef> somehwat yes, but neutrino has a different acess pettern for full nodes 14:51 < ongo> that's why I came in here - to ask if connecting to these public peers would make me less private 14:51 <@roasbeef> gotcha well "privacy" has many layers, depends on what yuo're seeking in the end 14:52 <@roasbeef> ah, the public LN peers? 14:52 < ongo> but I suppose it's different from implementation to implementation 14:52 < ongo> yeah, I suppose so 14:52 <@roasbeef> it's possible to use tor there too, which lnd supports 14:52 <@roasbeef> so you can have an onion serivce, then connct out to ppl on clearnet thru tor itself, which doesn't leak IP/location information to your channel peers 14:52 < ongo> I'd use LND, but I can't, my only option atm for that reason is EPS (very low storage requirements) 14:52 < ongo> I guess I should be asking on #electrum 14:53 < ongo> is pruned node support far off for lnd? 14:53 <@roasbeef> yeah if you want to just use that then you can, main advantage of lnd is that it's more battle tested and widely used 14:53 <@roasbeef> it should be in the next-next release 14:53 <@roasbeef> so 0.13 14:53 <@roasbeef> 0.12 will be released in a few weeks but doesn't have it 14:54 <@roasbeef> technically it _works_ as is, but there're some edge cases that arne't handled, which is why we don't _recommend_ it 14:54 < ongo> I see, I am in no rush, so that's ok :) 14:54 < ongo> always wanted to try lnd 14:54 <@roasbeef> basically if lnd is down, and bitcoind prunes blocks it needs to detct a channel close or something, then Bad Thing can happen 14:54 < ongo> though I also never transact with lightning tbh as I mainly hold, was just curious... 14:54 <@roasbeef> re tor+lnd, you can also use that using neutrino as well 14:54 <@roasbeef> so neutrino can use tor to connect to peers which helps out depending on what type of privacy aspects you want 14:54 <@roasbeef> gotcha 14:55 <@roasbeef> if you do end up running lnd, then there're wallets liek Zap+Zeus that let you connect to the node from mobile and manage it from afar 14:55 <@roasbeef> g2g for now, but will read the scroll back if you have any other questiosn then reply 14:56 < ongo> nice :) thanks 15:39 -!- dethos [~dethos@95.172.177.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zwrouasmjczcftxr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:43 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-2-169.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02 -!- Eagle[TM] [~EagleTM@unaffiliated/eagletm] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04 -!- Alzadoua [~Alzadoua@unaffiliated/alzadoua] has joined #lnd 17:26 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 17:26 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef merged pull request #4794: htlcswitch/link: revert borking channels on received Errors (master...bork-channels-revert) https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/4794 17:26 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has left #lnd [] 17:27 -!- lnd-bot [~lnd-bot@165.227.7.29] has joined #lnd 17:27 < lnd-bot> [lnd] Roasbeef pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/compare/ca91d50884d2...fd00a3a5e7b3 17:27 < lnd-bot> lnd/master 87cdf3b Johan T. 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