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01:23 < kanzure> http://phy.asu.edu/shumway/codes/paths.html Open source path integral quantum Monte Carlo program.
01:23 < kanzure> How's that for awesome?
01:34 < kanzure> https://wiki.asu.edu/pimc/index.php/Main_Page their wiki
01:34 < kanzure> it mentions graphene :)
01:35 < kanzure> Sigh. I still find nanohub.org to be unusable. Their interface is completely wacky, they don't know how to write valid HTML. But they have a very large list of simulation tools .... argh.
02:05 < fenn> wow i never even though to look this up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep-wake_syndrome
02:09 < kanzure> Heh.
02:09 < kanzure> fenn: http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-29-30.png my current desktop
02:11 < fenn> so, how goes the comp-chem?
02:11 < kanzure> going quite well, want a link dump so far?
02:12 < fenn> no, not really
02:12  * kanzure clears his paste buffer :(
02:15 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_chem_linkdump
02:42 < kanzure> 'night
02:42 < fenn> nite
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16:58 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html <-- I got bored, so I critiqued the Wikipedia article.
17:43 < epitron> Some interesting excerpts from Charles Simonyi’s 1986 interview:
17:43 < epitron> SML: Why is it taking so much time for progress to occur with computers:
17:43 < epitron> Charles: Because a lot of dumb ideas have to die first. That’s why progress takes time. First, new ideas have to evolve, then the bad ideas that stop the progress have to die. Even with relativity and quantum mechanics, the good ideas had to crystallize. And then people with vested interest in the old physics had to die out.
17:43 < epitron> haha
17:58 < kanzure> epitron: Did you read my critique of the Wikipedia article?
17:59 < kanzure> epitron: I figure it's right up your ally re: enhancement.
18:05 < epitron> no, i'm currently looking at a bunch of google techtalks
18:05 < epitron> i'll check it out later...
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20:05 < kanzure> fenn_: http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html
20:06 < kanzure> and tonight's lecture on stem cells - http://heybryan.org/chats/2008-03-30-%23%23neuroscience_re_iPS_stem_cells.html
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21:25 < kanzure> Hey Enki-2.
21:25 < kanzure> Enki-2: would you read my h+ article critique? http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html
21:29 < Enki-2> sure
21:29 < Enki-2> in a bit
21:32  * fenn looks
21:34 < fenn> shouldnt 1 be transhumanology and 2 be transhumanism?
21:37 < kanzure> how so?
21:37 < kanzure> how would 1 be transhumanology?
21:39 < fenn> or maybe transhumaneering :P
21:39 < fenn> isms are usually social or philosophical movements
21:40 < fenn> whereas technical fields of study are not
21:40 < kanzure> huh
21:40 < kanzure> that is a good point
21:41 < fenn> transhumaneering makes me think of privateering
21:41 < kanzure> transhuman engineering ?
21:41 < fenn> meh
21:41 < fenn> 'meddling'
21:43 < fenn> you could use both if you want. transhuman engineering and social transhumanism
21:43 < kanzure> what? social transhumanism is already in use, or already suggested in the doc at least
21:43 < kanzure> I call it type-1 and type-2 later in the doc :)
21:44 < fenn> i mean for extra redundancy (since you seem to think 'transhiumanism' is ambiguous')
21:45 < kanzure> but it is ambiguous -- there's apparently a weird political movement behind it 
21:45 < kanzure> of people who are angry about money and other nonsense
21:46 < fenn> well, sure, because it's unfair that rich people should live and poor people die
21:46 < kanzure> right, but that's where self-replication comes in
21:46 < kanzure> as well as other projects
21:46 < kanzure> such as the human variome project to collect all genetic variation
21:46 < kanzure> or the DNA sequencing organizations
21:47 < kanzure> (they need to get a move on, fast)
21:47 < fenn> how does dna sequencing help with social inequality?
21:48 < kanzure> it doesn't, but we can sure as hell try to save them
21:55 < fenn> the whole genetic divide argument is specious at best
21:56 < fenn> we already have 'human enhancement techologies' of every sort
21:56 < fenn> cars, computers, fresh vegetables
21:56 < kanzure> yep
21:57 < kanzure> (added)
22:04 < fenn> heh 'ableist' what a funny concept. i had to read the word several times
22:10 < fenn> "they wouldn't be alive if medical technology and our industrialization would keep them there" and neither would 98% of the world's population
22:10 < kanzure> refresh I updated that part
22:10 < kanzure> that exact line
22:11 < kanzure> "the fact is that they *are* alive, no matter how it happens to be so"
22:11 < fenn> its a rather meaningless division is what i'm trying to say "them" vs "us"
22:12 < fenn> the fact is that _we_ are alive no matter how it happens to be so
22:13 < fenn> are you good at hunting? how well does your immune system do when you're starving?
22:13 < kanzure> aha, a difference in emphasis
22:13 < kanzure> added
22:14 < kanzure> s/phylogenetic/phenotypic/
22:22 < fenn> just read the diamond age, it's interesting that stephenson thinks humans will reorganize mostly along racial lines onces the national and economic boundaries fall apart
22:22 < kanzure> sounds like bullshit to me
22:22 < kanzure> although niches will always develop
22:22 < kanzure> and specialists to fit the niches
22:23 < kanzure> by 'bullshit' I mean it sounds like he might be somewhat racist
22:23 < fenn> well, it might just be a plot element
22:24 < fenn> have you read the book?
22:25 < kanzure> nope
22:25 < kanzure> I hear of it all the time, of course
22:55 < kanzure> haha
22:55 < kanzure> there is a concerned mother in #wrongplanet
22:55 < kanzure> she has an autistic child
22:55 < kanzure> and says that she wants to check out #wrongplanet to see what it's like
22:55 < kanzure> because "my son feels so lonely"
23:47 < kanzure> I need to find somebody in materials science.
23:50 < kanzure> fenn: this guy looks interesting
23:50 < kanzure> http://ferrocene.livejournal.com/profile
23:51 < kanzure> apparently I already had him on my buddy list
23:54 < kanzure> I hate it when my searches take me in circles
23:54 < kanzure> http://magicalypse.livejournal.com/profile
23:54 < kanzure> Michael Anissimov. Again.
23:55 < kanzure> Mike is a sharp guy. Started the Immortality Institute ( http://imminst.org/ ) while in high school, has a good nootropic following.