--- Day changed Sun May 25 2008
00:00 < fenn> hmm augmented locomotion? http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/ishoesprod.jpg
00:02 < fenn> A man has been arrested in New York for attempting to extort funds from ignorant and superstitious people by exhibiting a device which he says will convey the human voice any distance over metallic wires so that it will be heard by the listener at the other end. He calls this instrument a telephone. Well-informed people know that it is impossible to transmit the human voice over wires.
00:03 < kanzure> Date?
00:08 < kanzure> okay, how about this
00:08 < kanzure> automatic mirroring of each page you go to 
00:08 < kanzure> konqueror only loading on the local filesystem, then
00:09 < kanzure> delete whatever you want to get rid of and consider useless
00:09 < kanzure> it'll otherwise keep a largescale copy of the web and the links between them, more or less
00:09 < kanzure> like my ~/cache/
00:09 < kanzure> then, just modify konqueror to work in this system more readily ... like links causing it to fetch the page and adding it to the filesystem, and then letting you abstract this information into lists of links that you are interested in, etc.
00:10 < kanzure> and easy ability to move / natural-link files together
00:10 < kanzure> erm
00:10 < kanzure> ln
00:10 < fenn> 1868 new york times
00:12 < fenn> you could do a squid proxy
00:14 < kanzure> http://www.deckle.co.za/squid-users-guide/Squid_Configuration_Basics
00:14 < kanzure> guess so
00:14 < kanzure> then I can use listview in konq and tab issues are solved :)
00:15 < kanzure> and maybe a custom "copy link" script for the right-click menus so that it copies the internal information
00:15 < kanzure> okay, makes sense
00:15  * kanzure wishes he could find his old Opera-ADR-to-XBEL-to-flatfile scripts :(
00:15 < fenn> whats wrong with xbel?
00:18 < kanzure> it's flatfile, and nobody wants to support it anymore
00:18 < kanzure> well, it's not flatfile 
00:18 < kanzure> it's single-flatfile
00:18 < kanzure> mostly the lack of support :)
00:18 < fenn> what would you use instead of a single fil?
00:18 < kanzure> individual files, folders, etc.
00:18 < fenn> ok i assumed it was some sort of de-facto standard
00:18 < kanzure> it would be nice if that was so
00:19  * fenn is wondering whether keeping your tree in git would be good or bad
00:19 < fenn> mostly inconsequential
00:20 < kanzure> synch with other users
00:20 < kanzure> pathsynch
00:20 < kanzure> but the tree is the path, really
00:20 < kanzure> so that only confuses things :P
00:20 < fenn> git grep might be faster than regular grep
00:21 < fenn> and so on, for other functions
00:21 < kanzure> why might that be?
00:21 < kanzure> (like for grep)
00:22 < fenn> because git is generally fast at stuff? it seems like they pack the data in a more sensible format than a filesystem can
00:22 < kanzure> weird
00:22 < fenn> i might be out of my depth here
00:22 < kanzure> aren't they implemented on a filesystem?
00:22 < kanzure> on the same one, I mean.
00:23 < fenn> no, git is a database, with a 'presentation layer' i.e. directory of files to show what it contains
00:23 < fenn> whats the diff between filesystem and db? who knows
00:23 < kanzure> oh, right, that's how you git push/commit.
00:23 < kanzure> the difference is 
00:23 < kanzure> well
00:23 < kanzure> you suck, sir
00:23  * kanzure goes to flame a MySQL developer
00:23 < fenn> i've seen git explained as a filesystem itself
00:24 < kanzure> but it requires no kernel module
00:24 < fenn> ya, why would you want a kernel module for anything, really
00:24 < kanzure> maybe it's just a lightweight 'reserved space'
00:24 < kanzure> like a swapfile
00:24 < kanzure> except not for RAM.
00:25 < fenn> another thing to keep in mind is reiserfs, supposedly good for lots of tiny files (but i've had it corrupt on me, something i've never seen in ext2 or ext3)
00:26 < fenn> s/good/fast/
00:26 < kanzure> bbl, catching my Bleach and Death Note fixes 
00:27 < fenn> oh, the diff between filesystem and db is that filesystem only has one way to sort/categorize information
00:28 < fenn> fortunately for us, filenames arent some base-32 hash string
00:31 < fenn> this is soo sweet.. about time: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2005/12/31/wannabe-hacker-emblem/
01:14 < fenn> i think for the revolutionary burning-a-path-through-the-desert interface you'd want to be able to "scroll" backwards both chronologically and down the chain of direct link hops
01:14 < fenn> lots of links are not direct but rather 'see this, google that' sort of links
01:15 < fenn> sometimes its hard to remember how you got on a subject
01:28 < kanzure> keeping lists of links isn't necessarily going to help
01:28  * kanzure should know.
01:30 < fenn> well if you see that page <x> has been accessed, and then a search for <y> is opened in a new window, there's a good chance the reason you searched for y is on x
01:32 < kanzure> the reason is within
01:32 < fenn> yes
01:32 < kanzure> no, I mean, the uer
01:32 < kanzure> *user
01:32 < fenn> i sense the reason is strong in this one
01:32 < kanzure> midicholrieorjoines, right?
01:33  * fenn squints
01:37 < fenn> heh open dc and type:
01:37 < fenn> [lolssdsl0lqx]sx[1+lddd*lld*-ls+dsdrll2**lo+dsld*rd*+4<kd15>q]sq[q
01:37 < fenn> ]9ksk[d77/3*2-ss47lxx-P1+d78>0]s00[d23/.5-3*so0l0xr10P1+d24>u]dsux
01:39 < kanzure> dc?
01:40 < fenn> the command line rpn calculator program
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01:57 < wrldpc> I'm a frigging n00b.
01:59 < fenn> get a c100
01:59 < wrldpc> sansa?
01:59 < wrldpc> does it run linux?
01:59 < fenn> uh, no, a c100-by-four
02:00 < fenn> rhymes with n00b
02:00 < kanzure> fenn: 
02:00 < kanzure> I'm feeding wrldpc 
02:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/fernhout/
02:00 < wrldpc> heh
02:00 < kanzure> these are some Fernhout-Kurzweil exchanges.
02:01 < fenn> O rly
02:01 < kanzure> mildly interesting, nothing you don't already get
02:01 < wrldpc> http://www.sandisk.com/products/catalog(1165)-sandisk_sansa_c100_series_mp3_players.aspx
02:01 < wrldpc> explain to me the c100 reference
02:01 < wrldpc> I am Benjamin Fritz Peterson, 49 Thomas St. Belmont MA 02478
02:01 < wrldpc> ssn: 018702725
02:02 < wrldpc> phone: 6173356457
02:02 < fenn> wrldpc: l33t-speak is based on typing things using only numbers such as you'd find on a handheld calculator
02:02 < wrldpc> clue
02:02 < wrldpc> i get it
02:02 < wrldpc> heh
02:02 < wrldpc> and it's 1337
02:02 < wrldpc> ;)
02:02 < fenn> meh
02:03 < wrldpc> hehe
02:03 < Vedestin> have a look at this
02:03 < Vedestin> http://www.pendulum.org/related/related_add_cows.html
02:03 < wrldpc> lol alright so wtf can i do?
02:03 < wrldpc> LO!L!!
02:03 < Vedestin> i get a reasonably high score on this
02:03 < wrldpc> yes
02:03 < wrldpc> i understand
02:03 < wrldpc> oh diff
02:03 < wrldpc> add is just a way of apprehending the world.
02:03 < wrldpc> scanners.
02:03 < fenn> kanzure: what are you feeding him?
02:03 < wrldpc> http://heybryan.org/fernhout/
02:04 < wrldpc> the fernhout files
02:04 < fenn> best viewed from a "film noir" perspective
02:05 < wrldpc> understood
02:05 < fenn> "it was a stormy night when i pulled up to santa monica boulevard, expecting to see the so-called singularity kingpin, raymond kurzweil.."
02:05 < wrldpc> you should meet bcarruth
02:05 < wrldpc> does anyone play Go in here?
02:05 < wrldpc> heh
02:06 < fenn> bcarruth sounds familiar
02:06 < kanzure> okay, added some links
02:06 < kanzure> I mean, two more emails
02:06 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/fernhout/
02:06 < wrldpc> I saw him at Broad Inst and caught the vid at the end of this post: http://www.theflowingofthedao.com/wordpress/2008/05/15/kurzweil-the-broad-institute-mit/
02:07 < fenn> might just be my brain overreacting as usual
02:07 < fenn> wow he looks old
02:08 < wrldpc> i disagreed with age of spiritual machines ... i mean ... the uncanny valley has since then been crossed .. he may as well have been writing science fiction.
02:09 < fenn> why you say it's been crossed? example please
02:09 < wrldpc> the health of all humans are inevitably intertwined.
02:09 < wrldpc> it is unlawful for there to be even one 'dead' human.
02:09 < fenn> do you even know what 'uncanny valley' means?
02:10 < wrldpc> bioinformatically many are still alive ...
02:10 < wrldpc> the uncanny valley is the point where the 4th wall drops.
02:10 < kanzure> I read the Age of Spiritual Machines when I was ~13, and had to put it down because my bullshit detector was trying to kill me
02:10 < wrldpc> or the area in the midst there
02:10 < fenn> what is the 4th wall?
02:10 < wrldpc> heh
02:10 < wrldpc> the 4th wall is the shield which separates the audience from the spectacle
02:11 < wrldpc> the observer from the observed.
02:11 < wrldpc> it is imaginary
02:11 < wrldpc> in that in doesn't quite exist in the way that we think it does?
02:11 < wrldpc> http://www.youtube.com/thecarruths
02:11 < fenn> the uncanny valley is (actually) the unnerving sensation you get when a robot appears almost but not quite human, usually because of jerky movements and highly realistic sculptured flesh
02:11 < wrldpc> yes
02:11 < wrldpc> being able to delineate man from machine.
02:11 < fenn> no, aibo is obviously a machine but it doesn't trigger that response
02:12 < wrldpc> the notion that if an AI existed with greater than human intelligence it could do so now without us ever knowing.
02:12 < wrldpc> Propogate itself across the universe at the speed of light.
02:12 < wrldpc> through teh universe.
02:12 < wrldpc> aibo haha
02:12 < wrldpc> understood
02:12 < wrldpc> did you see asimo fall?
02:12 < wrldpc> that shit was hilarious.
02:12 < fenn> aibo is a good piece of engineering, and qrio even better, what a fucking shame they killed it
02:12 < wrldpc> qrio rocks
02:12 < kanzure> yes, ai could replicate itself, sure, but only if you have skdb
02:12 < wrldpc> that fuckin sucks they killed it
02:12 < wrldpc> wtf
02:12 < wrldpc> mass produce that shit
02:13 < wrldpc> what is skdb?
02:13 < wrldpc> only if they have heybryan.org arched
02:13 < wrldpc> heh
02:14 < wrldpc> i dunno man what do you guys think about cognition?
02:14 < wrldpc> the mind like then right now what it is?
02:14 < fenn> it's a lie
02:14 < wrldpc> yeh
02:14 < wrldpc> eh
02:14 < wrldpc> meh
02:14 < wrldpc> heh
02:14 < wrldpc> yes
02:14 < wrldpc> no
02:14 < wrldpc> ok
02:14 < wrldpc> good
02:14 < wrldpc> stop
02:14 < wrldpc> ehh
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02:14 < kanzure> Much energy in you, I do sense.
02:15 < fenn> the adult ADD is strong in this one
02:15 < kramer3d> XD
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02:30 < wrldpc> http://www.rhythmverse.com/
02:30 < wrldpc> did bryan's connection drop for you guys??
02:30 < fenn> he quit, probably sleeping
02:30 < wrldpc> he's all of a sudden not online for me.  2:30 AM EST
02:31 < wrldpc> oh
02:31 < wrldpc> he dc's after bed?
02:31 < wrldpc> interesting
02:31 < wrldpc> Bryan should do a vlog.
02:31 < wrldpc> that shit would be huge
02:31 < fenn> what's a vlog?
02:31 < wrldpc> video log
02:31 < wrldpc> youtube.com
02:32 < wrldpc> revver.com
02:32 < fenn> sounds boring
02:32 < wrldpc> boring?!
02:32 < fenn> nice drawing, are you rhythmverse.com?
02:32 < wrldpc> do you know how rich the video medium is?
02:32 < wrldpc> This is video right here.
02:32 < wrldpc> No I'm not rhythmverse my friend Brian is.
02:32 < wrldpc> he programs in flash
02:32 < fenn> oh, i guess i should fire up firepig to see it then
02:33 < wrldpc> we want to build this synaesthetic device that delivers unto the people the ruler by which they can measure the universe.
02:33 < wrldpc> it's the ultrasubjective
02:33 < wrldpc> mechanism or device or service or whateve.r
02:33 < fenn> hm. no flash, just a drawing
02:33 < wrldpc> i dunno
02:33 < wrldpc> no flash on there
02:34 < wrldpc> it's just a site right now, blank.
02:34 < wrldpc> I don't have much data ... I'll try and holler at my friend.
02:35 < wrldpc> eh
02:36 < wrldpc> who's shogunx?
02:36 < fenn> reminds me of: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Annie_Besant_Thought_Forms_Mendelssohn_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_16269.jpg
02:36 < wrldpc> I'm in a group called the Shogun Assassins.
02:36 < wrldpc> http://www.myspace.com/theshogunassassins
02:36 < fenn> shogunx: is gnuveau.org:81 also see sleekfreak.net:81/books/
02:37 < fenn> <- allergic to myspace
02:37 < wrldpc> http://www.bathsheba.com/crystal/
02:37 < fenn> heh i got the galaxy as a present and was like 'wtf do i do with this' so i gave it to someone else as a present
02:37 < wrldpc> i don't get it
02:38 < wrldpc> I bought the calabi-yau for self but gifted it to mom.
02:38 < wrldpc> i want the star map
02:38 < fenn> i like the julia set
02:38 < fenn> better in color though
02:38 < wrldpc> heh
02:38 < wrldpc> maybe just the keychain
02:38 < wrldpc> you guys should start bringing flashlights with you when you drive.
02:38 < wrldpc> julia set?.
02:39 < wrldpc> just looks like splooge
02:39 < wrldpc> ha
02:39 < wrldpc> perfect symmetry
02:40 < fenn> it's the mandelbrot set extended in another couple dimensions
02:40 < wrldpc> http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/quatjulia/
02:40 < wrldpc> interesting
02:43 < fenn> better explanation: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/juliaset/
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11:42 < kanzure> okay, so what I need to do is have the interface layer of konqueror go to a 'proxy' (just a script) first for filtering/pre-processing; also, any website browsed to should have the HTTP request stored and logged. Then, the backend script will manage my queues and so on.
11:42 < kanzure> squidproxy looks good.
11:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/CHIRP_Open_Design_Mfg_Equipment.pdf
11:54 < wrldpc> Good morning, immortals.
11:54 < wrldpc> that's awesome
11:55 < kanzure> Good morning.
11:55 < wrldpc> This reminds me ... is there an opsource CAD prog?
11:57  * nsh would suspect so
11:57 < wrldpc> http://nanoengineer-1.com/nh1/
11:57 < nsh> BRL-CAD, avoCADo
11:57 < nsh> , CADEMIA
11:59 < nsh> http://swik.net/CAD+opensource mentions a few more
11:59 < nsh> your (program's) maturity may vary
11:59 < kanzure> fenn says they all suck :)
12:00  * nsh wouldn't be surprised
12:00 < wrldpc> heh
12:00 < kanzure> wrldpc: As for the nanoengineer link, see http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_chem_linkdump
12:00 < kanzure> or maybe that's http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Comp_chem_linkdump (try either)
12:00 < wrldpc> Did you see the gershenfeld ted talk?
12:00 < kanzure> No, I'll put it on my todo list.
12:00  * nsh didn't; what's it about?
12:00 < kanzure> Gershenfeld is a good guy :) I have a few friends that meet with him weekly. Daily, even.
12:00 < kanzure> Gershenfeld is http://cba.mit.edu/
12:01 < wrldpc> are you all on Linux?
12:01 < kanzure> Center for Bits and Atoms "it from bit; bit from it"
12:01 < kanzure> I'm on linux, yes.
12:01 < wrldpc> cool
12:01 < wrldpc> what distro?
12:01 < kanzure> http://debian.org/
12:01 < wrldpc> nd, no doubt
12:01 < wrldpc> sugarshot is interesting
12:02 < kanzure> yeah, I've bee ntrying tro contact Richard Nekkia about it for a while
12:02 < kanzure> but I think he might be dead
12:02 < kanzure> maybe one of his experimental rockets blew up
12:02 < wrldpc> we're going to need a massive interstellar object id and tracking system
12:02 < wrldpc> oh yeah?  eh ... what about subsistence farming?
12:02 < kanzure> http://nakka-rocketry.net/
12:02 < wrldpc> Phoenix lands today!
12:03 < kanzure> http://sugarshot.org/
12:03 < nsh> http://www.digitalpicturezone.com/digital-pictures/25-amazing-light-graffiti-pictures/
12:03 < kanzure> re: interstellar object id system, NASA has one.
12:04 < nsh> it would be nice to have gps-linked overlays of visual-space so that people can browse virtual graffiti in meatspace
12:04 < nsh> did anyone read Rainbows End?
12:04 < wrldpc> does it track every object?  If somebody's flying at subluminal speeds through the galaxy what are the chances that an object will damage their spacecraft?  Is it a moot point?
12:05 < wrldpc> what's the name of that system?  space tracking ... NEOs and so forth ... what about into the gristle of space?
12:05 < wrldpc> Haven't read much Vinge.
12:05 < nsh> from what i recall, small space junk can really fuck you up in orbit, due to the relative velocities
12:05 < wrldpc> yeah but what if your spacecraft is traveling faster than the junk?
12:06 < wrldpc> I dunno
12:06 < wrldpc> need some kind of advanced nanotube plating
12:06 < nsh> gravitational repulsion technology would be the ultimate win for collision problems
12:06 < nsh> but who knows when that's gonna happen
12:06 < wrldpc> diamond shielded ... yeah grav repulse would be dope
12:07 < wrldpc> artificial grav
12:07 < wrldpc> the outside of a spacecraft hurtling through space has got to be freezing cold ..
12:07 < kanzure> nsh: That's a good find. re: the link. Thanks.
12:07 < kanzure> I'll have to show that to my sister or something, might get her interested in photons.
12:08 < kanzure> nsh: I almost read Rainbows End, if that counts. 
12:08  * nsh smiles
12:08 < nsh> hmm
12:08 < nsh> it'd be good to saturate subliminal information channels
12:09 < wrldpc> yes
12:09 < nsh> have every wall in your house projected with information and ambient chatter wherever you go
12:09 < kanzure> perhaps, what about interface?
12:09 < wrldpc> the thing is it's already data-rich ... there's just no standard nomenclature
12:09 < kanzure> I think it could also be better to just project it onto your eye
12:09 < nsh> possibly
12:09 < wrldpc> computer glasses
12:09 < kanzure> some researchers have lasers that will write screens of information to you eyes
12:09 < kanzure> nah, computer glasses suck
12:09 < kanzure> just go with lasers
12:10 < nsh> if it would coordinate with what's outside that'd make it much more effective
12:10 < nsh> as the brain learns associatively through pattern recognition
12:10 < wrldpc> you're going to need to put something over your eye
12:10 < kanzure> wrldpc: not in that case
12:10 < nsh> there's probably a lot you could overload onto basic cognitive tasks
12:10 < kanzure> though nsh has a good point, it'd be nice to project 
12:10 < nsh> hmmm
12:10 < wrldpc> if you want it to be transportable
12:10 < kanzure> nsh: do you remember the recent, uh, cell phones + projectors?
12:10 < kanzure> we could just do a wearable + projector
12:10 < nsh> sensorimotor overloading. will have to think about that some more
12:10 < kanzure> there's also the projectable keyboards these days
12:10 < wrldpc> augmented reality
12:10 < nsh> kanzure, right
12:11  * kanzure goes back to 'hearpdf' to listen to some scientific papers
12:11 < nsh> wrldpc, that was why i referred to vinge's book
12:11 < nsh> kanzure, you logging what you're listening to through that?
12:11 < kanzure> nsh: Did you see our chats yesterday about alternative browsers?
12:11 < nsh> missed, sorry. probably in logs
12:11 < kanzure> nsh: Hm? Logging what?
12:11 < wrldpc> a tech transfer between ALPS Electric Co. and the University of Cambridge was going to start bringing to market holographic projection.
12:11 < wrldpc> CAPE
12:11 < kanzure> nsh: I don't log the sound because I have the plaintext.
12:11 < nsh> kanzure, log of what pdfs you're throwing through the program
12:12 < kanzure> although exporting to an ipod/mp3-player might be smart
12:12 < kanzure> nsh: Shit.
12:12  * kanzure goes to write a few lines.
12:12 < nsh> so there's a trail for interested people to follow
12:12 < nsh> ++ :-)
12:12 < nsh> if you could include information for how long you listen to each (to tag the ones that don't hold attention) that'd also be cool
12:13 < wrldpc> http://www-cape.eng.cam.ac.uk/
12:13 < nsh> cool, wrldpc
12:13 < kanzure> nsh: it's not like that; the text is dumped into the speech synthesizer and then it's left in its own proc
12:13 < kanzure> I'm not sure if I can figure out how to retrieve the word-index of where it's at when it's closed.
12:13 < wrldpc> this mentions nothing about the holo projection
12:13 < kanzure> especially since I usually close it through killall -9 (since it's a totally separate proc)
12:14  * nsh nods
12:14 < wrldpc> how's the voice on that, b?
12:14 < kanzure> sucks
12:14 < wrldpc> eh
12:14 < kanzure> I'm using 'festival'
12:14 < kanzure> apt-get install festival etc.
12:14 < nsh> kanzure, you could just split the pipe (tee(1)) and cat to a new file for each pdf
12:15 < nsh> in a pdfs-listened-to type folder
12:15 < nsh> s/folder/directory
12:15 < kanzure> huh?
12:15 < kanzure> how does that preserve 'where it is at' in the speech synth process?
12:15 < nsh> because when you kill the process it'll stop adding text
12:16 < wrldpc> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2006_April_10/ai_n16120353
12:16 < nsh> unless you're referring to the lag between input-text and synth'd audio
12:16 < kanzure> nsh: right now I'm doing something like echo 'hello blah blah blah all text here' | festival
12:16 < kanzure> I guess I could separate it into chunks 
12:17 < kanzure> and feed it to festival in that way
12:17 < kanzure> and then I'll know at which chunk it was roughly stopped
12:17 < nsh> shouldn't matter, if you do: echo 'pdftext' | tee outfile | festival  it should do it by stream
12:18 < nsh> then again, i'm not so sure. worth a check
12:18 < nsh> depends how festival reads the input
12:18 < nsh> which you can probably set in command line to be line or word or something
12:19 < wrldpc> this reminds me of the lightwriting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Annie_Besant_Thought_Forms_Mendelssohn_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_16269.jpg
12:19 < wrldpc> someone posted it yesterday
12:19 < nsh> mmm, that fires the imagination, wrldpc
12:20 < kanzure> Hm.
12:20 < kanzure> I'm getting an error - can't open /dev/dsp
12:20 < nsh> in my experience, that's usually because another program has a lock on the sound device
12:20 < kanzure> well, I killed xmms
12:20 < kanzure> how do I check modprobe or the list again?
12:21 < nsh> it's usually firefox
12:21 < kanzure> not running firefox
12:21 < nsh> sorry, opera
12:21 < nsh> there's a program you can open festival with that puts the sound to a software mixer
12:21 < kanzure> yes, it was opera
12:21 < nsh> but i forget its name
12:21 < shogunx> lsmod
12:22 < nsh> try: esddsp festival <....>
12:23 < kanzure> of course, I don't actually pay attention to voice much, so this is weird
12:23 < nsh> apparantly installing asla-oss and oss-compat fixes the sound multiplexing issue
12:23  * nsh nods
12:23 < kanzure> lemme upload the script
12:24 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/docs/hearpdf.pl
12:25  * nsh can't believe notepad still can't recognise unix newlines
12:25 < nsh> i need to get a new external and back up my data so i can upgrade myself to a real os
12:26 < fenn> gragrggg how the fuck do i sign up for google groups using my email address
12:27  * nsh not sure, fenn
12:27 < kanzure> it seemed pretty simple to me
12:27 < kanzure> although I had a gmail address
12:28 < kanzure> haha, reading chem pdfs via hearpdf is not a good idea
12:28 < kanzure> '                Finally, the nearly completed trityl group was treated with acetyl chloride
12:28 < kanzure> resulting in a polystyrene methoxytritylchloride species that could be easily attached to
12:28 < kanzure> the 5’ carbon of the pentose sugar (figure 2).;
12:28 < nsh> lol
12:28 < nsh> i wonder how easy it is to teach festival
12:29 < fenn> avocado/cademia are new to me..
12:29 < kanzure> uh oh
12:29 < nsh> ideally, you'd be able to give it a different key for different kinds of text and a way to guess what "language" (chemistry, programming, etc) it's reading
12:30 < nsh> using maybe magicfiles or something
12:31 < fenn> cademia is 2d? their site is impossible
12:31 < fenn> avocado look like a good start
12:32 < kanzure> it's weird trying to pay attention to voice
12:32 < fenn> hmm its java, nevermind
12:32  * fenn sighs
12:33 < fenn> i dont get it - what do people see in java that is worth using?
12:33 < wrldpc> universality
12:33 < nsh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_format#Magic_number
12:33 < kanzure> universality?
12:33 < nsh> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)
12:33 < fenn> it's not even platform independent though
12:33 < wrldpc> heh
12:34 < wrldpc> java runs on everything.
12:34 < wrldpc> eh
12:34 < fenn> so does qbasic
12:34 < wrldpc> heh
12:34 < kanzure> \o/ let's write our OS in qbasic
12:34  * nsh smiles
12:34 < nsh> java is the cancer that's killing CS education
12:34 < wrldpc> SKEME
12:34 < wrldpc> scheme
12:34 < fenn> scheme is at least simple and consistent
12:34 < kanzure> java certainly screwed up my comp sci class in high school
12:35 < wrldpc> python, lisp
12:35 < wrldpc> weren
12:35 < kanzure> although I was just spending time writing out schematics for microprocs since I could get the assignments done in a few minutes anyway :)
12:35 < fenn> anyway.. back to googlefutz
12:35 < wrldpc> wasn't the sw for the space shuttle written in scheme?
12:35 < kanzure> googlefutz?
12:35 < wrldpc> eh
12:35  * fenn grumbles
12:35 < nsh> futzing around with google groups
12:35 < nsh> i assume
12:35 < fenn> no, it was APL or something
12:35 < kanzure> ah
12:35 < wrldpc> oh
12:35 < nsh> futz is a nice word; i should use it more often
12:35 < kanzure> uhm, so the interface to konqueror, I'm still working on that
12:35 < kanzure> squidproxy solves most of the problems
12:36 < kanzure> but the tabbing issue still hasn't been solved
12:36 < nsh> what you trying to do, kanzure?
12:36 < wrldpc> my middle name is fritz :)
12:36 < nsh> nice
12:36 < wrldpc> i'll bbiab, fellas.
12:36 < nsh> moin
12:36 < kanzure> nsh: I have this extreme dislike for all modern browsers basically; they all suck and fail.
12:36 < kanzure> I get up to 400~ tabs and they start whinning.
12:36 < kanzure> or I get up to 2.2+ MB of bookmarks and they start crashing/freezing.
12:36  * nsh nods
12:36 < kanzure> this is simply stupid software architecture
12:36 < kanzure> it's too monolithic
12:37 < nsh> so you want to interface a browser with a better data handling backend?
12:37 < kanzure> yes, 
12:37 < nsh> cool
12:37 < kanzure> I want to write some scripts to automate my use of a browser
12:37 < kanzure> I'm guessing tis browser is going to be konqueror for me
12:37 < kanzure> but I really, really like the sidebar for tabs in Opera
12:37 < kanzure> which is superior to the KDE taskbar
12:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-24.png for an example
12:37 < nsh> it's a crying shame you can't breed programs yet
12:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-05-24_2.png too
12:37 < nsh> modularity just never happened
12:37 < fenn> kanzure i think you just need a good window manager and file browser
12:38 < kanzure> I don't like the fluxbox idea, I need text, not icons
12:38 < fenn> ok, a text-based window manager, whatever
12:39 < kanzure> well, I'm pretty sure I've gone through a sizable chunk of all existing window managers
12:39 < kanzure> so.
12:40 < kanzure> nsh: realtime stats of word usage would be interesting
12:40 < kanzure> well, not 'realtime', but I mean 'per-each-spoken', and then recorded in realtime
12:41 < nsh> definitely
12:41 < nsh> full markov analysis too
12:41 < kanzure> what would that mean in this context?
12:41 < fenn> it means you could have a bryan-bot
12:41 < fenn> !say indeed
12:41 < kanzure> indeed
12:41 < fenn> hrm
12:42 < fenn> !chat about silly things
12:42 < nsh> frequencies (from which you can make probabilities) of connection between arbitrary length blocks of text you've listened to/read
12:42 < kanzure> so, the other day my mom was digging through my trash
12:42 < kanzure> and then laughed at how small my dad's hole is
12:42 < kanzure> the hole into the dryer
12:42 < kanzure> they're divorced, I might add
12:42 < kanzure> was weird :) and silly.
12:42  * nsh smiles
12:42 < fenn> um.. yeah.
12:42 < kanzure> Doesn't look like it's going to work out.
12:43  * kanzure wonders if he can get multiple audio streams going here
12:44 < kanzure> I've done it with mpg123 before, but not speech synth
12:45 < kanzure> #linux suggests fvwm
12:45 < fenn> fvwm is crusty
12:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/Sept20th02005.png
12:45 < kanzure> yes
12:46 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/May26th02005_2.png fluxbox, I think
12:46 < kanzure> Sept20th2005.png was fvwm95
12:46 < fenn> fvwm scrolling around is like 'flying' in a vr environment - too slow
12:47 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/March25th02006.PNG 
12:47 < kanzure> hm, old memories
12:47 < kanzure> and screenshotting nearly exactly one year later is awesome
12:50 < nsh> god damn
12:50 < nsh> i wish i was having the kind of coversations you were at 16
12:50 < kanzure> oh, fenn, http://heybryan.org/shots/June29th02007_2.PNG -- here's the bookmarks-as-tab system
12:51 < nsh> nice WP category: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-patterns
12:52 < fenn> Category:Anti-category
12:52 < fenn> Category:Damned-things
12:52 < kanzure> DLL Hell :)
12:52 < kanzure> heh
12:53 < nsh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_obsolescence
12:53 < nsh> interesting to think about in the context of the tech. singularity
12:54 < kanzure> nsh: did you see http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ ? 
12:54 < kanzure> it's a guy's commentary on Kurzweil's singularity concepts
12:54 < nsh> looking
12:54 < kanzure> in the context of F/OSS
12:54 < nsh> oh cool
12:55 < fenn> hmm tag soup is an anti-pattern? i thought it was a desired end-state
12:55 < kanzure> other browsers that I've tried (all at once, sort of - not firefox, not dillo, w3m, lynx, links, elinks, links2, maxthon, safari, galeon, epiphany, etc.), http://heybryan.org/shots/June8th02007_browsers_SonyVAIO_PCVRS510.PNG
12:56 < nsh> fenn, perhaps it's under the umbrella of anti-patterns because tag soups facility uniqueness
12:56 < fenn> nevermind it's not what i thought
12:56 < fenn> something about non-standard html
12:56 < nsh> with a diverse enough soup of tags any particular thing would have some unique combination
12:57 < kanzure> Google hates me: http://heybryan.org/shots/July10th02007_Google_talkingback.PNG
12:58 < kanzure> ooh
12:58 < kanzure> if anybody is interested in my bookmarking interface, it's to the left here: http://heybryan.org/shots/July1st02007.PNG
12:59 < nsh> that "feature" of google that you highlighted in the square red rectangle really annoys me sometimes
12:59 < fenn> yeah no shit
12:59 < nsh> i tend nowadays to always preface terms with a + to avoid it
12:59 < fenn> no way to turn it off
12:59 < nsh> +term stops it from doing the stemming
13:00 < kanzure> has anybody seen my 'tarpits' on my home page?
13:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/
13:00 < nsh> and second-guessing of typing
13:00 < kanzure> there's a collection of very, very large zip files there
13:00 < kanzure> I was using a script I wrote to auto query Yahoo
13:00 < kanzure> they let you do it too :) if you go get an api key
13:00 < kanzure> Google no longer gives out api keys for their soap stuff
13:00 < kanzure> anyway, it's an interesting alternative since you can process it immediately, as long as you're ok with 70 MB of text for only 1000 results.
13:00 < nsh> oh, on that point, yahoo is/has lauch(ed/ing) something called searchmonkey
13:01 < nsh> which allows you to code searchs to be run on their backend
13:01 < kanzure> oops, I meant 100 searches each with 1000 results.
13:01 < nsh> looks promising
13:01 < kanzure> sounds like a good step
13:01 < kanzure> too bad Jimmy didn't believe me
13:01 < nsh> Jimmy?
13:01 < kanzure> Wales.
13:01 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales
13:01 < nsh> http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey/developer.html
13:01 < nsh> oh
13:02 < nsh> i don't think he likes me since i got pissed off and made some joke about him being so jesus he should expect a crucification
13:03 < nsh> think it was over some selfcensorship issue
13:03 < kanzure> I don't think he likes me because I pointed out to him that making an 'objective' search engine was stupid
13:03  * nsh forgets the details
13:03 < nsh> *cruxifiction
13:04 < nsh> mm
13:04 < nsh> how do you mean>?
13:04 < nsh> (damn this us laptop keyboard layout is a chore)
13:04 < kanzure> uh, well simply that it's a *selection* that the user is making
13:04 < nsh> (shame this searchmonkey dealie uses PHP...)
13:04 < kanzure> and so you should let the user design the selection
13:05 < nsh> right
13:05 < kanzure> which might possibly include something more than just words
13:05 < nsh> ideally, it should be transjective
13:05 < nsh> subjectively-objective
13:05 < nsh> objectively-subjective
13:05 < kanzure> for example, I'd like to search based off of connectivity, general regions of the web, as much information as I wanted to pour into it
13:05 < kanzure> I'd like to search from 'contexts'
13:05  * nsh nods
13:05 < kanzure> for example, let's say the APA comes out with their own module/plugin for the search engine
13:05 < kanzure> then I'd like to act like an APA psychologist and search from their perspective :)
13:05 < kanzure> (for some reason?)
13:05 < nsh> right
13:06 < nsh> it's about having access to as many "reality-tunnels" as possible
13:06 < nsh> and the ability to contrast them and find patterns between
13:07 < kanzure> yes
13:08 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-03-23_autoscholar.png <--- so this was a few months ago ... obviously I really, really need this better windowing environment
13:13 < fenn> arrgh motherfucking google is the next microsoft
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13:33 < fenn> ok it seems to work after creating a new "google groups" identity in a separate browser process
13:37 < kanzure> fenn: I replied http://heybryan.org/pipermail/hplusroadmap/2008-May/000553.html
13:37 < kanzure> and we're going with hplusroadmap since it has the larger memberbase
13:41 < fenn> eh? openvirgle is more lively
13:42 < kanzure> only because of three guys, myself included
13:42 < kanzure> I've been forwarding messages between lists, really
13:42 < kanzure> but I guess I've been forgetting
13:42 < fenn> the forwarding is too hard, i can't deal with it
13:43 < fenn> please stick to openvirgle
13:47 < kanzure> I guess. /me is wondering what he's going to do with all of the @mit.edu's and @stanford.edu's and other interesting people from hplusroadmap that he struggled to get onboard
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13:50 < fenn> ok, forward the interesting bits only then :) and keep active discussion on openvirgle?
13:50 < fenn> how can i be stressed out, i'm not even getting paid for this :P
13:51 < fenn> my culture hasnt prepared me 
13:51 < fenn> wtf is "chaordic" anyway
13:52 < fenn> i hate words that dont mean anything
13:53 < kanzure> http://chaordic.org/ apparently
13:53 < kanzure> "creative destruction" or something
13:53 < fenn> nonsense
13:54 < kanzure> basically: blow up an object and you get gradients
13:54 < fenn> and another mysql daemon bites the dust, apparently
13:54 < kanzure> hm?
13:54 < fenn> oh, chaordic is misconfigured
13:54 < fenn> chaordic.org
14:00 < fenn> agh there's a fork of the skdb wiki page on oscomak.net too
14:02 < kanzure> do we need to unfork it?
14:02 < kanzure> http://oscomak.net/wiki/SKDB
14:02 < kanzure> brb
14:03 < fenn> dunno, it looks small enough for now..
14:06 < fenn> i dont get it - what's "semantic" about mediawiki?
14:06 < fenn> sure it has categories and namespaces, big deal
14:07 < ybit> why not just kdb?
14:07 < fenn> why not sekdb?
14:07 < ybit> hehe, what's the e for?
14:07 < fenn> engineering, silly
14:08 < fenn> i for one, am not going to try to make a 'do everything' program
14:08 < fenn> all of engineering is more than enough
14:08 < fenn> actually it's a subset of engineering, but hush hush
14:15 < kanzure> this is not a do everything program, correct
14:15 < kanzure> oh, you refer to 'kdb'
14:16 < fenn> yeah, it _could_ be a general purpose knowledge base, but i'll leave that up to the "experts"
14:17 < fenn> people who use words like stigmergy and ontology
14:17 < kanzure> http://risdpedia.net/index.php/Main_Page ' RISDpedia is a collaborative website who serves to document all the products and materials used by artists and designers. Imagine if you looked up epoxy on wikipedia and, instead of finding information about the chemicals that are used to make it, there was a list of all the different epoxies available, with full information on each of them: how to use them, what they work with, what they
14:17 < kanzure> argh
14:17 < kanzure> this is just going to be flat information though
14:17 < kanzure> artists should be able to apt-get install <painting supplies>
14:17 < kanzure> and have it either made on the spot or ordered from friends / companies /etc.
14:18 < fenn> do artists know how to type? :P
14:18 < kanzure> 'artist' is a very broad spectrum, isn't it?
14:18 < fenn> yeah, aren't we all
14:19 < kanzure> http://risdpedia.net/index.php/Category:Raw_Materials
14:19 < kanzure> it's a material database
14:19 < kanzure> kind of like geiga's howto wiki
14:19 < kanzure> hrm
14:20 < nsh> want, moar, firefly
14:21 < kanzure> Star Wars did it first
14:22 < kanzure> Hm. So the KDE taskbar is looking better. Still need to find a way to add some scrollbars.
14:25 < kanzure> And then I'll just do linkdumps of all open browser windows through dproc as you suggested yesterday.
14:26 < fenn> dcop
14:26 < kanzure> dcop
14:26 < kanzure> http://canllaith.org/?page_id=15
14:27 < kanzure> ugh, not useful
14:27 < fenn> thanks for posting it :)
14:30 < kanzure> ' YaKuake - This application provides a Quake-like terminal emulator, which is toggled visible using the F12 key. It also has support for multiple tabs. YaKuake can be installed via Pacman:' 
14:30 < kanzure> ' pacman -S yakuake'
14:30 < kanzure>  Alt+Up - Create a new tab.  Alt+Down - Close current tab.  Alt+Left - Go to the left tab.  Alt+Right - Go to the right tab.
14:30 < kanzure> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153
14:30 < kanzure> it's using a tile windowing manager via konsole
14:31 < kanzure> that's an interesting way to go about it, I don't want to keep on typing CTRL+F5 or whatever to go to the run prompt to type in xterm
14:32  * fenn is picturing something where you shoot processes to kill them
14:33 < kanzure> sometimes you just need to let off a little steam
14:33 < wrldpc> heh
14:42 < fenn> interview with saul griffith
14:42 < fenn> FSB: What are you going to do with the $500,000? 
14:42 < fenn>  SG: Right now I'm toying with a whole lot of ideas that otherwise wouldn't become realiy but are pretty cool and should exist. For instance, I'd love to see a CAD program that allows you to enter folding patterns for origami and paper airplanes. Imagine an online application where every kid in the world could upload their favorite design for a papper plane or origami crane...that would build this wonderful rich library of paper folding objects.
14:42 < fenn> november 2007
14:42 < kanzure> djfkladjfasdlkfjklasd
14:42 < kanzure> I wonder if he's used any of the money
14:42 < kanzure> also, how can we best get in contact with him
14:43 < fenn> instructables i guess
14:43 < kanzure> the alt keys with yakuake don't work
14:43 < fenn> sending a nasty email to makani windpower didnt get any response :)
14:44 < kanzure> hm
14:44 < kanzure> maybe through one of his friends
14:44 < kanzure> quick, what's his social network on facebook like?
14:44 < fenn> he has a lot of friends..
14:44 < fenn> just look at the squid labs blog
14:44 < fenn> SRL, MAKE, etc
14:44 < kanzure> hrm
14:45 < fenn> saul griffith: your PhD thesis sucked!
14:45 < kanzure> hm, he's not on facebook
14:46 < fenn> oh, this isnt google-indexed heh
14:46 < fenn> its like shouting at the tv :(
14:48 < kanzure> Maker Faire will be in Austin in October.
14:55 < wrldpc> I shout at the TV occasionally :(
14:56 < fenn> rofl: So, in other words, the answer to, "Can you give me a specific example of a  Classname or line of code as it relates to SKDB metadata?", is currently  "No"? :-(  
14:57 < fenn> How much typing work can it be to include one specific name for a class and  include on line of code? But the actual *thinking* involved in presenting  those two may be enormous, as well as the level of commitment and bravery in  risking laying out something in detail that would almost certainly be buggy  and incomplete (as almost all real programs are
14:59 < kanzure> well, I did do it
14:59 < kanzure> back in March or something.
15:06 < kanzure>  http://makerfaireaustin.pbwiki.com/
15:06 < kanzure> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/624269/?ps=5
15:06 < kanzure> June 1 meetup :)
15:08 < fenn> crikey that's less than a week
15:08 < kanzure> why do we cut these things so damned short?
15:09 < fenn> its that gosh-danged internet, spawn of the devil i tell ya
15:54 < kanzure> http://www.salsa.net local chapter of the internet soc
15:54 < kanzure> ' For the next two years or so the Media Lab of SalsaNet,  (San Antonio’s oldest internet organization and the South Central Chapter of the Internet Society)  will incubate a laboratory in community radio, television and world wide broadband production.  A facility we are calling Public Stud'
15:54 < kanzure> '  Public Studio will provide space, mentoring and equipment to young people and encourage and enable the exploration of community media and interactive world wide collaboration'
15:55 < kanzure> neat, Jon Lebkowsky is onboard
16:01 < kanzure> apparently there's something called the "Austin Brain Party "
16:23 < kanzure> tuns out the kde taskbar is python
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16:51 < kanzure> perlpanel would be nice if it had a vertical mode
16:51 < kanzure> oh, and if the dev team wasn't dead, that too.
17:12 < kanzure> https://bricecubed.wikidot.com/local--files/start/WebDevelopersWetDream.png
17:12 < kanzure> not much of a wet dream
17:19 < kanzure> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/cobalt60/dtop.jpg this guy is my hero
17:27 < kramer3d> haha
17:30 < Biopunk> i guess thats one of 6 virtual desktops and all look the same
17:32 < kanzure> http://img.hgtv.com/HGTV/2006/01/13/mso904_1c_messyhobbyroom3_w609.jpg somebody with a 6 monitor setup?
17:33 < kanzure> http://www.cs.uml.edu/radical-design/index.php?n=WorkstationGroup.WorkstationGroup
17:33 < kanzure> http://www.charm.net/~jriley/bedw.html In-bed computer deks
17:33 < kanzure> desk
17:35 < kanzure> http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm <--- very lengthy comparison of headsets
17:40  * kanzure wants to find http://www.cs.uml.edu/~echo/dscn0500largeod0_s.jpg
17:50 < Biopunk> (The requested URL /~echo/dscn0500largeod0_s.jpg was not found on this server.)
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17:51 < Biopunk> kanzure: I copied a comment you made on DIYbio to my board today... 
17:52 < kanzure> Biopunk: yeah?
17:52 < Biopunk> it was an answer you wrote to an article jason bob posted about the future of synthetic biology
17:53 < Biopunk> ...a long fucking answer
17:54 < Biopunk> and you said some stuff i'm thinking too so I copied you verbatim
18:10 < wrldpc> Phoenix touchdown in an hour plus: http://www.theflowingofthedao.com/wordpress/2008/05/17/phoenix-mars-lander-touchdown-set-for-may-25-753-pm/
18:11 < kanzure> Biopunk: Ah, yeah, that one.
18:11 < kanzure> It wasn't a response to Jason really, just a general essay.
18:12 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/
18:28 < kanzure> http://nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/ I don't get it.
18:35 < Biopunk> I was following one of the rovers for a couple of weeks last year... it was driving just next to a huge crater... i think it spent the winter next to it too.
18:39 < Biopunk> i love this pic: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/Enceladus_PIA06254_full.jpg
18:39 < Biopunk> It's Enceladus, one of saturns moons.. it's tiny.. made of ice
18:40 < Biopunk> 500km in diameter
18:45 < nsh> eta 'til landing?
18:45  * nsh getting the sleepy
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20:02 < kanzure> Hey Splicer2.
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20:39 < kanzure> Hi Vedestin.
20:42 < Vedestin> hey kanzure
20:44 < Vedestin> i've been reading about ADD
20:44 < Vedestin> specifically in adults
20:45 < kanzure> yeah?
20:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html
20:47 < Vedestin> that's autism, are they the same thing?
20:47 < Vedestin> i didn't think so
20:47 < kanzure> yes, it is
20:47 < kanzure> ADHD/ADD is on the ADS (autist disorder spectrum)
20:47 < kanzure> as well as Aspergers
20:47 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers_syndrome
20:47 < Vedestin> so it's less severe aspergers?
20:47 < kanzure> in fact, AS (aspergers) frequently gets misdiagnosed as ADHD
20:48 < kanzure> Vedestin: that's one way to put it
20:48 < kanzure> although I wouldn't hold me to that analogy
20:48 < kanzure> *hold myself
20:48 < Vedestin> right i see
20:48 < Vedestin> so when they do imaging of brain activity in people with adhd
20:48 < Vedestin> does that match up to what they'd see in someone with aspergers or other forms of autism
20:49 < kanzure> I haven't checked that out yet. That's a good question.
20:50 < Vedestin> it's all well and good to connect things symptomatically
20:50 < Vedestin> but if the causes aren't related then you can't really put them on the same spectrum
20:52 < kanzure> no, the causes most certainly are related
20:52 < kanzure> for example, in intense_world_syndrome.html you see that there is hyperprocessing in both AS and ADHD
20:52 < kanzure> now, in the case of AS, the tendency is to hyperfocus more often than not
20:52 < kanzure> in ADHD, or even really ADD, you tend to split up your attention as much as possible
20:52 < kanzure> it's a stupid solution to a serious problem, but that just happens to be what solution your brain natively implements
20:53  * kanzure should know :(
20:58 < kanzure> I need to edit TaskBar::wheelEvent() in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/taskbar/taskbar.cpp?revision=604546&view=markup#1078 to access Panner::scrollRightDown/scrollLeftUp in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kicker/libkicker/panner.cpp?revision=474084&view=markup ... how could I do this?
21:01 < Vedestin> do you ever get that thing where you're reading a book or a webpage or something
21:02 < Vedestin> and you've read a few paragraphs before you realise you didn't take any of it in
21:02 < Vedestin> and you were thinking about something totally different and unrelated
21:05 < kanzure> yep
21:05 < kanzure> but I'm pretty sure that's normal :)
21:06 < Vedestin> i think it is
21:10 < kanzure> crap crap crap crap crap
21:10 < kanzure> no space left on disk
21:15 < Vedestin> get a bigger one
21:15 < Vedestin> you can get 1tb drives now
21:15 < kanzure> I'm on a 40 GB drivce. I'll be getting a handful of terabytes when I get the new setup up and running
21:15 < Vedestin> a handful
21:15 < kanzure> I'm trying to come up with a name for the setup (the +5 monitor beast)
21:15 < kanzure> Fortress of Solitude
21:15 < Vedestin> call it asp
21:16 < Vedestin> man, 5 monitors
21:16 < Vedestin> that'd be interesting
21:16 < kanzure> I want more than 5. I'm going with as many as I can dig out of a dumpster.
21:17 < Vedestin> LCDs are pretty cheap
21:17 < Splicer2> a stupid question... people with aspergers can have a heightened sense for focusing right?
21:17 < Vedestin> yep Splicer2
21:17 < kanzure> LCDs are *not* cheap.
21:18 < Vedestin> really kanzure?
21:18 < kanzure> yeah, not if you want decent resolution
21:18 < kanzure> 21+ inches
21:18 < Vedestin> what's that cost over there?
21:18 < kanzure> I mean, decent size
21:18 < kanzure> oh, $100 USD +
21:18 < kanzure> 21 inch CRTs go for something like $10 ;-)
21:18 < Vedestin> that's cheap
21:18 < kanzure> nobody wants them
21:18 < kanzure> they are huge
21:18 < Vedestin> yeah, but then you've got to find somehwere to put them
21:19 < Vedestin> i'd hate to have to move this rig
21:19 < Vedestin> if you move on campus
21:19 < kanzure> hehe
21:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/
21:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/
21:21 < Splicer2> i don't like crt:s... when I realized there were e-readers i found myself not liking paperbooks either
21:22 < Splicer2> ...same with cd:s and DVD:s
21:22 < Splicer2> waste of space
21:22 < Vedestin> optical media sucks!
21:22 < Vedestin> suuuuucks
21:24 < Splicer2> if the content is compressed it's ok for me
21:24 < Splicer2> it's just the space aspect
21:24 < Splicer2> that bothers me
21:25 < Vedestin> jesus fucking christ
21:25 < Vedestin> http://heybryan.org/shots/messyshots/ubuntuforums_slob_workstation.jpg
21:25 < Splicer2> you called?
21:25 < Vedestin> no
21:25 < Vedestin> jesus
21:25 < Vedestin> fucking
21:25 < Vedestin> christ
21:25 < Splicer2> (i seldom use my middle name)
21:26 < Vedestin> i see
21:27 < kanzure> Vedestin: if you find that to be bad, check out
21:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/infohoarding.html
21:28 < kanzure> oops
21:28 < kanzure> that might not be good
21:28 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collyer_brothers
21:28 < kanzure> that's better.
21:31 < Splicer2> natural selection built hoarding in I think
21:31 < Splicer2> in a small group maybe it's even good to have one guy focusing on it
21:31 < Vedestin> yeah, it's resource gathering gone wrong
21:31 < kanzure> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/Collyer5.jpg
21:32 < kanzure> gone wrong? These guys were probably fairly intelligent. I mean, they were building engines, power generators, medical equipment, elaborate traps against burglers, and cached over 20,000 medical books.
21:35 < Splicer2> I wouldn't want to do that
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21:35 < kanzure> Why not?
21:36 < Splicer> I think my kink demands a balance between hoarding and utilization of what I hoarded
21:38 < kanzure> so?
21:38 < kanzure> just utilize all of it
21:39 < Splicer> i only plan to be 150 years old
21:39 < Splicer> hitler hoarded i think btw.. he found some kind of balance
21:40 < Splicer> hoarded books... read a chaper here and there
21:41 < Splicer> and found time to do other things to
21:41 < kanzure> I recursively hoard.
21:41 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/img_8032.jpg but this isn't recent, doesn't show all of the stacks
21:41 < kanzure> I figure it's quite impressive :)
21:43 < Splicer> how do you know when you´re done?
21:43 < kanzure> hm?
21:43 < Splicer> ready to take the next step
21:43 < kanzure> Usually when I get to the end of the section in the bookstore. 
21:44 < kanzure> The end of the case.
21:44 < kanzure> although more or less I fall off the map when I become inattentive or I run out of money
21:45 < kanzure> Also, think about it in terms of downloading.
21:46 < kanzure> You need a strategy when you download something, since you can't just hoard everything because you will run out of disk space; therefore, you need to hoard specifically information on making more disk space.
21:46 < Splicer> I'm not sure one can learn everything about everyting
21:46 < kanzure> That might be true, but the set of novel problems within the set 'everything' isn't going to be that large, since the barrier to entry on some topics isn't going to be that hard, otherwise people wouldn't be able to do it anyway. :)
21:48 < Splicer> the problem is that the goals change... they won't be to learn everything abbout everything when one is say 30
21:49 < kanzure> huh?
21:49 < kanzure> Why not?
21:50 < Splicer> they just don´t.. sometimes I think the brain changes.. it's not just that the context you find yourself in does.
21:51 < kanzure> uh?
21:51 < kanzure> is that scientifically provable
21:51 < kanzure> that the brain changes in some significant way from age 29 to age 30 ?
21:51 < Splicer> that the brain changes?
21:51 < Splicer> from say 20 to 30
21:52 < Splicer> like there are few 70 year old psycopaths for instance
21:53 < kanzure> because they die when they are young ...
21:53 < Splicer> hehehe
21:53 < Splicer> no.. they write poetry and shit
21:54 < Vedestin> gandhi was a psychopath and he lived to a ripe old age
21:54 < Splicer> like miyagi
21:54 < kanzure> well. I've recompiled kicker.
21:55 < kanzure> things are not working well. middle scrollwheel no longer does anything, but it's supposed to scroll of course :)
21:56 < Vedestin> you have an interesting definiton of "working well"
21:57 < Splicer> use the side scrollwheels
21:59 < Splicer> old former politicians are a good example of the brainchange thing... when a man is 70 he is less likely to give a fuck... so they turn up in documentaries and talk uncandedly about what they actually did. 
22:00 < Splicer> ....and they have this philosophical twist to it, that they can have lacked before
22:13 < kanzure> uh?
22:13 < kanzure> basically you're bullshitting
22:13 < kanzure> stop :)
22:14 < wrldpc> Splicer what's up?
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22:15 < Splicer> not bullshitting
22:17 < kanzure> I'd say so. 
22:17 < kanzure> while I agree that the brain ages, I don't think you understand that we can ultimately prevent / fix things like Alzheimers etc.
22:18 < Splicer> it's probably more than that.. hormones etc. 
22:19 < kanzure> okay ? so what ?
22:19 < kanzure> insert the hormones into the system
22:19 < Splicer> i didn't say it needed to be fixed
22:20 < Splicer> i said it's a fact
22:20 < kanzure> well, whether or not it's a fact is under dispute here, and at the same time why wouldn't you want to be able to fix it? what if you decided you wanted to fix it at that point?
22:20 < kanzure> kind of late by that point, eh?
22:21 < Splicer> never thought about that.. it has it's upsides
22:21 < kanzure> how would you know? your brain becomes dysfunctional to the point where you don't understand the upsides
22:21 < Splicer> stuff like viagra actually fucks it up
22:22 < kanzure> Let's try this.
22:22 < Splicer> who said dysfunctional?
22:22 < kanzure> What's your point? What's your argument?
22:23 < wrldpc> heh
22:23 < Splicer> ok.. again.. i say that the phenomenon exists... not that I whish to fix it
22:23 < wrldpc> this is a question of more or less I think.
22:23 < wrldpc> why don't you wish to fix it?
22:23 < Splicer> cause it's not a bug 
22:23 < wrldpc> or prevent it altogether?  Would you like to prevent it or fix it if you had the ability?  
22:23 < wrldpc> What do you mean it's not a bug?
22:23 < wrldpc> It's a horribly debilitating disease.
22:24 < Splicer> what?
22:24 < wrldpc> Alzheimer's right?
22:24 < kanzure> :)
22:24 < kanzure> horribly debilitating indeed
22:24 < wrldpc> heh
22:24 < Splicer> no... kanzure brough that up
22:24 < wrldpc> Oh, sorry.
22:25 < wrldpc> People seek simple solutions to complex problems.  Is that naïve?
22:25 < Splicer> i think it would fuck up societies if everyone was running around like they were 20
22:25 < wrldpc> Complex solutions to simple problems.
22:25 < wrldpc> I think we need a new take on society.
22:26 < Splicer> oki
22:26 < wrldpc> ahoma
22:28 < wrldpc> oh
22:28 < wrldpc> heh
22:28 < wrldpc> uh yeah so anyway phoenix touched down and http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1186066367757
22:28 < wrldpc> No visual data back from the Martian icecap.
22:29 < wrldpc> jupiter has a new storm
22:29 < wrldpc> eh
22:31 < Splicer> cool
22:36 < Splicer> (Feynman said he didn't think time travel could be done)
22:53 < Splicer> images from Phoenix, slow link: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=7
22:55 < Splicer> wikipedia has images too and better bandwidth
22:56 < kanzure> HAHA!
22:56 < kanzure> IT WORKS.
22:56  * kanzure wears sheepish green
23:00 < Splicer> i wonder how people will react when this or the next mission finds life there
23:01 < kanzure> oh, yeah, sure, because burning chemical propellant at 200 gallons/sec isn't amazing enough :)
23:01 < kanzure> hehe, I'm joking.
23:02 < Splicer> i thought that was considered barbecue in texas
23:03 < kanzure> There's not much considering done in Texas.
23:06 < Splicer> I guess when they find it... gods work description will have to be adjusted again. 
23:07 < Splicer> time to sleep... cu
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