--- Day changed Tue May 27 2008 00:10 -!- kramer3d [n=kramer3d@ip98-169-184-165.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:10 -!- ybit [n=u1@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:11 < kramer3d> kanzure: you here 00:12 < kanzure> kramer3d: yes. 00:14 < kramer3d> kanzure: i dont really know who to ask this, maybe you can help me out.. is it possible to get into bioengineering/biomed engineering w/out doing undergrad engineering? 00:24 < kramer3d> phd 00:27 < kanzure> hm 00:27 < kanzure> That really depends on what you mean by "get into". 00:27 < kanzure> Because technically you could start a bioengineering group without a degree. 00:27 < kanzure> You think I have a degree? 00:27 < fenn> you think you have a bioengineering group? :) 00:28 < kramer3d> phd progrsm 00:28 < kramer3d> a 00:28 < fenn> kramer3d: not in the US with the current cultural climate 00:29 < kramer3d> :/ 00:29 < fenn> you might be a lab tech though, if you get lucky 00:29 < kanzure> I don't know about that. It depends on what you mean by actual 'bioengineering', since you could get an accounting job at a biotech firm or something silly like that. 00:30 < fenn> bioinformatics computer jockey is another opportunity 00:30 < kramer3d> like i said 00:30 < kramer3d> phd program 00:30 < fenn> why do you want to get into a phd program? 00:31 < kramer3d> becauuse i want to 00:31 < fenn> that's no reason 00:31 < fenn> fess up 00:31 < kramer3d> wtf 00:31 < kramer3d> for education 00:31 < kramer3d> research 00:31 < kanzure> hm? 00:31 < fenn> if you dont know why, you seriously need to think about it before wasting years of your life 00:31 < kramer3d> maybe become a professor 00:31 < kramer3d> its not wasting 00:32 < kanzure> yeah it is :) you're going to die 00:32 < kramer3d> thats youre perspective 00:32 < kramer3d> youre gonna die too :/ 00:32 < fenn> hmph. some bio-engineer 00:32 < fenn> planned obsolescence apologist! 00:32 < kramer3d> fenn: why youre anti phd? 00:33 < kramer3d> and education? 00:33 < kanzure> nothing wrong with a phd, but a goal is better 00:33 < fenn> because academia sucks, the educational model is all wrong 00:33 < kramer3d> i have a goal 00:33 < fenn> it doesn't foster education 00:33 < kramer3d> um ok 00:33 < fenn> you cant even speak because they've twisted the words around so much 00:33 < fenn> do you know what 'the liberal arts' used to mean? 00:33 < kanzure> hah :) 00:33 < kramer3d> no, but i dont really care 00:33 < kramer3d> im not into liberal arts 00:33 < kanzure> that's his point 00:34 < kramer3d> say you want to make something 00:34 < kramer3d> but you dont have the tools 00:34 < kramer3d> what do you do then waste 10 years of ur life 00:34 < kramer3d> getting the tools :/ 00:34 < kramer3d> or just work at uni 00:34 < kramer3d> where they already have it 00:34 < kramer3d> what u think about that :/ 00:35 < fenn> uni tools are 20 years behind the times 00:35 < fenn> they throw slave labor and money at their own incompetence 00:35 < kramer3d> depends on what exactly youre talking about 00:35 < kanzure> let's put it this way 00:35 < kanzure> a university undergrad degree is worth the equivalent of reading 10,000 pages 00:36 < kanzure> and a masters degree is maybe 20k 00:36 < kanzure> so a PhD is usually 50k+ 00:36 < kanzure> now, there are thousands of universities on the internet 00:36 < kanzure> and many thousands of phd programs as well 00:36 < kanzure> so you can definitely see the course curriculums and read all of that on your own 00:36 < kanzure> *then* the lab research aspects, 00:36 < kanzure> those are mostly all on your own --anyway-- 00:36 < kramer3d> :/ 00:36 < kramer3d> no they arent 00:37 < kanzure> well, if you want to be a labmonkey I guess. 00:37 < fenn> i cant find a good explanation of 'liberal arts' online - basically it was: grammar, rhetoric, logic. then expanded to include the rest of science and math 00:37 < kanzure> 'liberal arts' used to be 'the renaissance man' 00:37 < fenn> it's "liberal" because they are empowering, leading to the freedom of their users 00:37 < kramer3d> most phd programs give you stipend, whats not to love about that 00:37 < kanzure> liberal as in liberation, not liberty-politics 00:37 < kramer3d> you get paid to study 00:38 < kramer3d> i guess if you want to be a systems administrator and google neuroscience terms in your free time its fine :/ 00:38 < kanzure> uh? 00:38 < kramer3d> lol ignore the last line 00:39 < kanzure> nah, I don't take it as an insult, I just think you are misinformed 00:39 < kanzure> tell me - in a university, how are you going to learn? 00:39 < fenn> there's more to bioinformatics than being a sysadmin 00:39 < kanzure> are you going to, not search/google ? 00:39 < kramer3d> i will read textbooks 00:39 < kramer3d> and do homeworks yay \o/ 00:39 < kanzure> as opposed to reading them now? 00:39 < kramer3d> ya but nothing forcing me to do it 00:39 < kanzure> except yourself? 00:39 < kramer3d> no structre 00:39 < kramer3d> yep 00:40 < kanzure> create your own structure? 00:40 < fenn> kanzure: that really is the hardest part 00:40 < kramer3d> thats easier said than done 00:40 < kanzure> fenn: I was making an observation today. I've found that when you say that you want 'your own time', to do your own thing and be yourself, people look at you all funny, as if you're the most evil thing in the world. 00:40 < kramer3d> but really dont underestimate uni 00:40 < fenn> don't overestimate uni :P 00:40 < kramer3d> i learned calculs on my own and retook it at uni thinking itll be cake 00:41 < kramer3d> i learned tons of new stuff 00:41 < kanzure> I'm not sure calculus-in-class is the best way 00:41 < kanzure> mathematics is not something that can easily be verbalized 00:41 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/index2.html 00:41 < kanzure> I've been noticing that it's actually much easier if you can type it into mathematica or octave or some other mathematics software, so that you can see the data structures and methods 00:41 < kramer3d> ?? 00:41 < kramer3d> math is pretty straughtforward 00:41 < kanzure> but for some reason teachers like to teach it in a traditional style :) 00:41 < fenn> kanzure: we live in an employee economy, not a capitalist economy (re your own time) 00:41 < kramer3d> if you pay attention to the proofs 00:42 < kanzure> you'd be surprised, it's actually much simpler than the teachers make it 00:42 < fenn> it's worse than saying you want to be a communist, because at least communists are good little employees 00:42 < kramer3d> well simpler is good if you are just doing math to get it out of the way 00:42 < kanzure> uh? 00:42 < kanzure> simpler doesn't leave stuff off, though 00:43 < fenn> obviously the math education is totally fucked, otherwise everyone wouldn't hate math 00:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/bookmarks/bookmarks-old2/toc.html#21-top <-- my mathematics bookmarks 00:43 < kanzure> or maybe it's #top-21 00:44 < kramer3d> i dont hate math 00:44 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Cal2 <-- entire review of two years of calculus 00:44 < fenn> kramer3d: because you learned it on your own maybe? 00:44 < kramer3d> no, i liked it before learning it on my own 00:45 < kramer3d> i admit the US education system is slow 00:45 < kanzure> fenn: I think mathematics is a very good example of why skdb is needed; the syntax is 'formal' aka social. 00:45 < fenn> uh.. formal aka social? 00:45 < kanzure> fenn: however, math doesn't exactly belong in skdb except as computational models / simulations, etc. 00:45 < kanzure> yeah 00:45 < fenn> i dont get it 00:45 < kanzure> could you come up with the integral symbol on your own? 00:45 < fenn> lots of ways, too many ways in fact 00:46 < kanzure> and so these guys who call themselves mathematicians give the integral a symbol and name and so on 00:46 < fenn> math notation is highly arbitrary and non-obvious 00:46 < kanzure> and so you have to be indoctrinated into that 00:46 < kanzure> right 00:46 < kanzure> that's my point - there's a lot of stuff that seems to be arbitrary 00:46 < kanzure> these are things that are apparently inaccessible to thought experiments 00:46 < kanzure> or however you want to say that. 00:46 < fenn> so you're saying that any formalized system is by definition impossible to derive? 00:47 < kanzure> nah, because somebody came up with it somewhere else, of course; I'm just saying that it's highly arbitrary 00:47 < fenn> there can be standards that aren't generated socially 00:47 < kanzure> oh? 00:47 < fenn> sure, lots of things 00:48 < fenn> eventually they are disseminated by groups of people, but i wouldn't necessarily call that social 00:48 < kanzure> so I guess these are the ones where "well, this is the only model that can fit, really" 00:48 < kanzure> i.e., ASCII as a way to encode the 256 common characters 00:48 < kanzure> although the exact ordering ... yeah, bad example 00:48 < fenn> bad example :) 00:49 < fenn> i'm thinking IGES but you probably arent familiar 00:49 < kanzure> nope, not a clue 00:49 < fenn> IGES was developed by a small team of .. standards developers 00:49 < fenn> in contrast to STEP (its successor) in which everyone and their grandma had a say 00:50 < kanzure> so why isn't that a social group - the standards developer group? 00:50 < fenn> its cathedral vs bazaar stuff, in this case gone horribly wrong 00:50 < kanzure> I don't know if cathedral-versus-bazaar highlights arbitrary v. nonarbitrary 00:50 < fenn> the small group might as well have been one person 00:50 < kanzure> who makes that person an ultimate allseeing authority? 00:51 < kanzure> I mean, imagine Joe and Jane. Two sides of the world. Both decide to quantify relationships between numbers; both come up with different representation systems. 00:51 < fenn> "with the power vested in me by the state of california.." 00:51 < kanzure> eh.. 00:51 < fenn> lol 00:51 < kanzure> I like to use Ramanujan as an example. Although he *partially* knew the social context of mathematics thanks to Carr's book, he made up a lot of stuff on his own 00:52 < kanzure> apparently, according to G. H. Hardy, Ramanujan ended up making up a good ~century of European mathematics that he was unable to access (being poor and, in India) 00:52 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/math/math.php 00:55 < kanzure> (btw, I was entering those by hand, in LaTeX, which was a stupid idea) 00:55 < fenn> indeed.. why were you entering them at all? 00:55 < kanzure> I wanted to make a database that was more accessible than Wolfram's mathworld 00:56 < kanzure> also because I wanted to 'digest' the 1200 theorems of Carr's book that I had printed out in dead tree format (I still have it on a shelf over there) 00:56 < kanzure> missing the second half.. 00:57 < kanzure> anyway, I posted a link to a recent document I scanned in 00:57 < kanzure> it was about laying the ground work for viral memetic uptake via synaptic plasticity and 'priming' populations for the maintenance of certain types of memes 00:57 < kanzure> uh, crap, I had a link to what we were just talking about 00:58 < kanzure> ah, right, laying the groundwork 00:58 < fenn> culture 00:58 < kanzure> so, it seems that there has to be groups of people to start that - right 00:58 < kanzure> so the groundwork of many memes is largely incomplete since many people just suck at engineering and art 00:58 < fenn> which memes in particular? 00:59 < kanzure> the same with mathematics; but once you have a successful synaptic (not so much 'cultural') framework, [I was going somewhere with this] 00:59 < kanzure> well, any, I would think 00:59 < kanzure> it's the reason why we're not getting through to kramer3d for example. 00:59 < kramer3d> huh 00:59 < fenn> star trek has done a lot in advancing american culture, imho 01:00 < kanzure> how's that? 01:00 < kanzure> heh, "well at least it's scifi" 01:00 < fenn> by making people familiar with math, physics, cultural relativism, technological solutions to social problems.. 01:01 < fenn> though usually (depending on the writer) they got the physics somewhat wrong 01:01 < kanzure> I think a lot of people let it 'wash out' since there's the magical replicator tech 01:02 < fenn> but at least you can say 'wormhole' and it would mean something 01:02 < kanzure> which I admit still seems too magical. Really? An object replicated right in open air? 01:02 < kanzure> so that probably put a damper on things, but it's better than nothing, yes 01:02 < kanzure> and I suspect it has indeed 'primed' people 01:02 < kanzure> just like ER and how apparently a large number of med students are there because of tv 01:02 < kanzure> (and the whole 'help people not, uh, die' thing) 01:03 < fenn> well, not to excessively nerd out on you, but the transporter beam displaces the air and shields it 01:04 < fenn> so, there's no independent engineering/science culture tv show 01:04 < fenn> damned english 01:04 < fenn> we have no 'star trek' for mad scientists 01:04 < kanzure> if PBS had brains they'd jump on it 01:04 < kanzure> not the science channel, they're too popular-consumer 01:05 < fenn> do people still watch tv? i havent in so long i dont even know what it's like now 01:05 < kanzure> it's pretty terrible 01:05 < kanzure> I watch it only for st:voy, really 01:05 < fenn> junkyard wars/battlebots was cool 01:06 < kanzure> and some dbz, bleach, death note, pokemon, futurama, family guy, the simpsons, batman/superman/iron man, and How It's Made when Andrew steals the remote from me. 01:06 < fenn> superman is back on tv eh 01:07 < kanzure> only on the disney channels, a real downer 01:07 < fenn> probably not any moral relativism there :\ 01:08 < kanzure> http://tgimboej.org/ 01:08 < kanzure> The Great Internet Migratory Box Of Electronics Junk is a progressive lending library of electronic components. An internet meme in physical form halfway between P2P zip-archive sharing and a flea market. It arrives full of wonderful (and possibly useless) components, but you will surely find some treasures to keep. You will be inspired look through your own piles, such as they are, and find more mysterious components that clearly 01:09 < kanzure> a good group to get hooked on skdb 01:09 < fenn> seems like it would accumulate the worst of the cruft 01:09 < fenn> scarcity personified 01:09 < kanzure> not if you know who you're passing it to 01:10 < kanzure> and electronics junk can be pretty cheap, so if a few philanthropists refill it every now and then 01:10 < kanzure> or something? 01:10 < kanzure> should also be given data storage too - "copy this data" 01:10 < fenn> i dont think it would be any good 01:11 < kanzure> http://tgimboej.org/Box_Tracking 01:11 < fenn> what do you call an anti-mascot? something you keep around just to kick in the ass because it sucks so much 01:11 < kanzure> it's a way to raise interest more than anything I guess 01:11 < kanzure> hm 01:12 < kanzure> scapegoat? 01:17 < kanzure> so, fenn, can you take a look at the Opera session files (.win) and make any suggestions for parsing them? I want to extract information about the tabs that I had open, mostly so that I can go back and try to turn an Opera session into a KDE session and test out 300+ tabs. 01:18 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/social/sessdb/files/ 01:20 * fenn looks 01:21 < fenn> just grep for url's? 01:23 < kanzure> well, some of those URLs could be pages I clicked off from and determined useless 01:23 < kanzure> for example, only the latest links in each of the tabs 01:23 < fenn> how can you tell which url is good and which is bad 01:23 < kanzure> well, I do it by pages 01:23 < kanzure> I don't keep everything I click through :) 01:25 < fenn> i dont see where it keep track of which page in the history is displayed 01:27 < kanzure> it's the last one in the tab 01:27 < kanzure> it keeps track of history per each tab 01:28 < kanzure> a new tab is [1] or [2] or [4] 01:28 < kanzure> and then there's a subsection of history and some other random stuff it seems 01:28 < fenn> yeah i know. i think its just "ini file format" 01:29 < kanzure> oh, I wonder if perl has a module for parsing that 01:29 < fenn> there's a list of url's in the history, so i guess somewhere there would be a variable saying where you're at in the history (otherwise you could just grab the last one in the list) 01:29 < kanzure> http://search.cpan.org/~wadg/Config-IniFiles-2.38/IniFiles.pm 01:33 < fenn> its probably [#history scrollpos list] 01:33 < kanzure> #perl suggests http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/Config-Any-0.12/lib/Config/Any/INI.pm - which gives what looks like a hashref 01:33 < fenn> count=# 01:33 < kanzure> yep 01:33 < kanzure> I was parsing for that earlier tonight 01:33 < kanzure> but my script sucked :) 01:33 < kanzure> so I'm going with an ini parser 01:35 < fenn> only one way to find out - open opera, open a tab, click on some links, press back, save session, look at ini 01:35 < fenn> count= might just be like a checksum 01:35 < kanzure> right, that's what I did 01:35 < kanzure> count is a count of the number of tabs, or URLs in the history 01:35 < kanzure> I remember that much :) 01:36 < kanzure> I wrote an Opera session generator a while back 01:36 < kanzure> so that I could dump a list of URLs 01:36 < fenn> hm. ok, save a tab, then press back and save again. diff the two saved sessions 01:36 < kanzure> and then retrieve it as a session of tabs 01:38 < fenn> oh scrollpos is how far down the page you were scrolled - duh 01:38 < kanzure> heh :) 01:38 < fenn> "current history" maybe? 01:39 < fenn> http://www.villainsource.com/images/bigbrain.jpg 01:42 < kanzure> small pfc 01:59 < kanzure> why the redundancy in storing the count= variable in both the [$xhistory url] and [$xhistory title] sections? 02:11 -!- kramer3d [n=kramer3d@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [] 02:11 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html 02:11 < kanzure> added opera_to_konq.pl 02:11 < kanzure> but it actually doesn't open up the URLs, that's the job of an extra shell script or something 02:12 < kanzure> my latest tab session did 324; do I dare test opening up that many konqueror sessions? 02:14 < fenn> do you open new processes or just new windows in one process? 02:14 < kanzure> in Opera, you open up new tabs within the same proc 02:15 < fenn> no i mean, for konq 02:15 < kanzure> hm, checking 02:15 < fenn> btw i think this page would get you slashdotted :P 02:15 < kanzure> really? 02:16 < kanzure> do people care that much? this is really, really ridiculously simple stuff 02:16 < fenn> "extreme power-user browsing with thousands of tabs" 02:16 < kanzure> heh :) 02:16 < fenn> you could say hundreds and not be accused of exaggerating 02:16 < kanzure> I've been known to open up 1k tabs on other computers 02:17 < kanzure> known ... once. 02:19 < kanzure> well, I know that running 'konqueror' from the shell generates a new pid 02:20 < kanzure> however, CTRL+N from an existing konqueror window makes for a new window, but not a new pid 02:21 < fenn> you can open a new window using dcop (its much faster) 02:21 < kanzure> so what's the difference between konqueror -> tab tab tab + CTRL+N tab tab tab on new window, versus all of those tabs in the same konqueror window, versus new konqueror instances for all of them 02:22 < fenn> one is faster and uses less memory, but if it crashes they're all gone 02:22 < kanzure> not if you're using the 'framework script' I'm envisioning (periodic calls to dcop to figure out all URLs in use?) 02:22 < fenn> kde has it set up to load a new instance for some reason 02:22 < kanzure> actually, konqueror has a recovery mechanism 02:23 < kanzure> "Don't need to be, recovery after crashes has been there for a long time. Open Settings->Configure Extensions select Tools and enable Crashes Monitor. Next time Konqueror crashes, open Tools->Crashes (It's a plugins, so you may need to install it from the kdeaddons package)." 02:25 < kanzure> so how do I do this through dcop /me goes to read some docs 02:25 < kanzure> ah, newkonq.sh 02:25 < kanzure> dcop $(dcop konq* | head -1) KonquerorIface createNewWindow "$*" 02:26 < fenn> ya 02:26 < fenn> the dcop konq* | head -1 just gets the name f the first konqueror instance 02:30 < kanzure> weird, when I embed it into perl via `` it spits out some errors 02:31 < kanzure> but when I do it in bash, it's fine 02:31 < kanzure> grr, nevermind 02:32 < fenn> $() is a bashism 02:34 < kanzure> yep, you spotted it 02:34 < kanzure> okay, so it works 02:36 < kanzure> now for saving the session into something usable, opening URLs from anywhere (I'm thinking of a widget at the top of the screen with an address bar / search box). 02:37 < kanzure> in Opera I've been addicted to the easy ability to always press CTRL+T and then whisk off to Google after typing out a quick query + enter 02:37 < fenn> ctrl+t is like a form box for google search? or just new tab that opens to google 02:37 < kanzure> hold on 02:38 < kanzure> CTRL+T is for new tab, actually 02:38 < kanzure> cursor starts at address bar 02:38 < kanzure> but then tab once and you get to the Google search box 02:38 < kanzure> and press enter to submit query 02:38 < fenn> doesnt konqueror do that? 02:38 < kanzure> suprisingly not 02:39 < kanzure> but there is a 'gg: " for the address bar 02:39 < kanzure> oh, 02:40 < kanzure> but KDE has WIN-'R', which does the run prompt, so you can type gg: and hit enter 02:40 < kanzure> I guess I could argue that the four extra keys needed there is retarded, but I don't know if anybody's going to listen 02:41 < fenn> ctrl+t opens a new tab here 02:41 < kanzure> sure 02:41 < kanzure> but I just refer to a box that can be devoted to a single function 02:41 < kanzure> typing in a search into my address box whisks me off to some weird Road Runner / Time Warner Cable page 02:41 < kanzure> even though I have **never** configured konq/KDE or any of my boxes with those addresses 02:41 < kanzure> (DNS lookup poison?) 02:42 < fenn> uh.. you sure you're using konqueror and not IE? :) 02:42 < kanzure> yeah :( 02:43 < fenn> mine just says 'malformed url' 02:43 * fenn tries on ubuntu 02:44 < fenn> yep same thing 02:46 < fenn> what was the search? 02:46 < kanzure> http://www.packagekit.org 02:46 < kanzure> search is anything 02:47 < kanzure> single nonsense word for example, something that will not be a dot com 02:48 < fenn> feh the last thing i want is a graphical package manager 02:48 < kanzure> "hey, I have a great idea !!!11one let's go in the COMPLETE OPPOSITE DIRECTION! YEAH!" 02:49 < fenn> all the letters are so huge.. 02:50 < fenn> this is pretty good http://www.packagekit.org/img/gpk-eula.png 02:51 < kanzure> HELP HELP HELP. 02:51 < fenn> oh and annoying non-window-manager windows that pop up distractingly with irrelevant info that it should just take care of or queue up until i'm ready 02:54 < fenn> isnt it past your bedtime? 02:54 < kanzure> yes 02:55 < kanzure> I screwed up and took an incorrect dosage at nine 02:55 < kanzure> school tomorrow 02:55 < fenn> your robot overlords will be displeased 02:55 < kanzure> they are deactived. 02:57 < kanzure> perhaps you're right. g'night 02:58 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:01 -!- Vedestin [n=Vedestin@d122-109-35-58.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 13:39 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:47 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:06 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:13 -!- nsh [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:14 -!- nsh [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:20 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:57 -!- Biopunk [n=p@h140n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:41 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:41 < Biopunk> hello hi 17:42 < kanzure> Hi Biopunk. 17:42 < kanzure> Today I'd like to point out the recent changes page. 17:42 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Special:Recentchanges 17:42 < kanzure> Note the time indices. 17:55 < Biopunk> looks productive 18:12 < kanzure> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/HiBlog/wp-content/uploads/PSP_008579_9020_descent.jpg 18:15 < Biopunk> it looks like it's heading for the crater 18:15 < Biopunk> good pic 18:21 < Biopunk> that's a big fucking crater 18:24 < kanzure> :) 19:09 < Biopunk> ( News anchor talks about ADD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2WWrOe84TY ) 19:10 < kanzure> Synopsis? 19:10 < kanzure> I'm doing something at the moment, but I'll watch if it's saying something interesting 19:14 < Biopunk> it's a blooper... he gets lost while talking about it 19:23 < kanzure> heh 19:24 < kanzure> nicotine alternatives apparently 'help' ADHD via modulation of the visual cortex 19:27 < Biopunk> what does visual the visual cortex have to do with ADHD and how can nicotine modulate the visual cortex? 19:27 < Biopunk> heh.. getting tired 19:51 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention has that at the bottom 19:58 < Biopunk> thanks.. I can't read it right now 19:58 < Biopunk> (stumbled on autoreceptor) 20:14 < kanzure> I felt very much at home when I was on two workstations at once earlier today. I got so much done ... 20:19 < Biopunk> a poor mans utility cloud 20:19 < Biopunk> ;) 20:19 < Biopunk> time to sleep 20:20 < Biopunk> cu 20:20 -!- Biopunk [n=p@h140n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 22:25 -!- ybit [n=u1@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:26 -!- Vedestin [n=Vedestin@d122-109-35-58.sbr3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:26 -!- ybit [n=u1@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:29 -!- ybit [n=u1@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:38 < fenn> that picture is really cool 22:40 < kanzure> http://xmonad.org/ 22:42 < kanzure> http://xmonad.org/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/XMonad-Layout-Tabbed.html 22:43 < fenn> bleh 22:44 < fenn> reminds me of ratpoison 22:44 < kanzure> why bleh? 22:45 < kanzure> hm 22:45 < fenn> haskell 22:45 * kanzure has little experience with ratpoison 22:45 < kanzure> but it's all scripted, which is interesting (or not) 22:45 < fenn> i'm not saying haskell is bad, but i can't just look at it and see what it does 22:45 < kanzure> I know KDE suffers from bloat, but then interpreted WMs? bad idea methinks 22:45 < fenn> nah 22:45 < kanzure> hum. really? 22:46 < fenn> kde bloat is due to 'code reuse' 22:46 < kanzure> giant OOP 22:47 < fenn> also i have emotional bias against haskell because they use math words/symbols 22:52 < fenn> using single letters for everything, that pisses me off 22:53 < fenn> and how do you type "≡"? 22:54 < kanzure> hm? 22:54 < kanzure> type what? 22:54 < kanzure> is that an equal-sign with an extra bar? 22:54 < fenn> yeah i'm trying to figure out wtf a 'monad' is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming) 22:55 < fenn> the symbol shows up in some of their example code 23:16 < Vedestin> the congruent symbol? 23:17 < kanzure> no, that's two tildes stacked on top of each other 23:18 < Vedestin> not when i did geometry 23:18 < Vedestin> you're talking about approximately equal to, by the sounds of it 23:18 < kanzure> hm 23:19 < Vedestin> know what i'm talking about? 23:19 < Vedestin> i don't program so it might be different for you 23:24 < kanzure> http://westallen.typepad.com/idealawg/2008/05/coaching-and-co.html Self-directed neuroplasticity 23:49 -!- wrldpc [n=wrldpc@pool-71-174-89-247.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit []