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09:23 < kanzure> http://www.gedasymbols.org/scripts/search.cgi?key=avr
09:51 < fenn> one would expect that they have symbols for all of them..
09:52 < fenn> one easy demo app for augmented reality would be overlaying pin names on the physical chip package
09:53 < kanzure> on pcb boards, isn't that common? for printing the name of a resistor next to where it is supposed to go
09:59 < fenn> yeah but there's too much info for a micro
09:59 < fenn> specifically i'm thinking of sitting there plugging wires into a breadboard, looking back and forth at the datasheet over and over, inevitably getting it backwards/upside down half the time
10:00 < fenn> also you could label wires with signal names
10:00 < fenn> maybe that's a bit harder
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10:01 < fenn> with JTAG you can get the actual I/O data so you could see what's going on in the circuit right in front of you
10:02 < kanzure> you mean, in the signals?
10:02 < kanzure> so that when you plug in one component to the next, it beeps and screams at you "this isn't what you were planning on doing" ?
10:02  * kanzure otherwise is lost.
10:03 < fenn> no, jtag is like a debugger for computer programs, you can see the variable values, the state of i/o lines
10:04 < fenn> normally i watch what's going on with led's on all the i/o lines
10:05 < fenn> so, gedasymbols has a pretty good metadata/data viewer
10:08 < kanzure> yeah?
10:09 < fenn> well, "a" metadata/data viewer
10:09 < fenn> it's more than just a list of url's at least! :)
10:10 < kanzure> yes, I see there's actual files
10:11 < kanzure> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/newlib/connectors/16x1_SMD_jack.fp
10:11 < fenn> no metadata on that one
10:11 < kanzure> eh
10:12 < fenn> Also, you can ask for a CVS account so that you can create your own area here which would let you upload and manage your own symbols and footprints.
10:12 < fenn> now, how many people are going to do that, really
10:13 < fenn> about 19 it looks like
10:14 < fenn> someone just needs to make an OCR for datasheets
10:14 < fenn> they're pretty standard format, should be easy to extract the semantic content
10:14 < kanzure> fenn: So, I went to the Austin Waldorf School graduation ceremony last night. It's hard to communicate what Waldorf was like for me, for the four years that I was there. Very much so something you have to be a part of to see how serious these people are. At one point, the class stood up and chanted this quote: 
10:14 < kanzure> "The moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. 
10:14 < kanzure> A whole stream of events issues from the decisions, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance
10:14 < kanzure> which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now."
10:14 < kanzure> if ever I had to point to a group of people just as intense as myself, it would be them.
10:14 < fenn> eee
10:16 < fenn> do they have a concept of 'synthetic serendipity'?
10:16 < fenn> publish or perish
10:18 < fenn> grr stupid ieee
10:31 < kanzure> serendipity? accidental discovery? Sure, somewhat.
10:32 < kanzure> Argh. My time is still being stolen. I don't like this graduation thing. I haven't had time to myself since Friday. Here's a partial todo list dump so that I may try to continue it later;
10:32 < fenn> shave the lawn, wax the yak
10:32 < kanzure> I've been meaning to go through the stack of bio books to my left re: the reactants required for the steps that Relentless was outlining in #biology with cowbert and I re: the bioreactor tank setup that would be needed for a 'do-it-yourself neurochem tank'
10:32 < kanzure> nah, it's more like family stuff, driving around, doing nothing much in particular
10:33 < kanzure> Anyway, I was hoping to go through those docs. There was something about phase-change separation chromatography that the diybio.org guys brought up; somebody mentioned that aptamer purification procs aren't that good because of the high selectivity required (eh, not sure about this - need to run some simulations or something)
10:34 < kanzure> I think the biotank might be a good start to skdb anyway, even though it's wetware and not solid state -- i.e., some componets would be the petri dish, the protein purification processes, the tank (mainoinesse jar, really), maybe some mechanical pumps or PVC-pipe-systems, etc.
10:35 < kanzure> as for making some simpler introductions to skdb, I'm still beat on that front; junk-harvesting cyclical routes req. gas/money, or just gas for dumpster-diving sessions; 
10:35 < kanzure> hm, KDE has still been acting up with a large number of tabs, so I need to figure out a way to cache to disk and still have the labels appear on the kicker taskbar
10:35 < fenn> heh nice creative spelling there (mainoinesse)
10:36 < kanzure> or it may be acting up because of Opera + kmail + pidgin, which significantly tax the system
10:36 < kanzure> heh, spelling mayoinease isn't my specialty
10:36 < kanzure> mayo
10:36 < kanzure> let's leave it at mayo
10:36 < kanzure> ok, now I have to go (again? why?)
10:36 < fenn> ciao
13:16  * kanzure is still trying to figure out how to write the KDE app manager that he wants.
13:17 < kanzure> I can't decide how to make it work. I think it'll be a service-daemon to run in the background. Would have to keep track of all konqueror windows, and then figure out which ones to dump to disk and which ones to keep open.
13:17 < kanzure> It's pretty stupid that the windowing manager still makes the laptop whine. There's no reason for this whining. No reason for all of this heat generation. Something's eating up the cpu cycles.
13:42 < kanzure> oh, maybe dcop can dump all variables in the konq session, instead of me hardcoding "grab url, grab pos, grab ..." into my script
13:43 < kanzure> http://w3.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf
14:41 < kanzure> I've installed recaptcha to the wiki
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15:08 < wrldpc> Hey guys.
15:08 < wrldpc> Hey Bryan, remember our chat about CO2?
15:08 < wrldpc> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1023315/Machine-clean-greenhouse-gas-breakthrough-war-global-warming-say-scientists.html
15:19 < kanzure> Heh :)
15:19 < kanzure> I need to run. But we'll get back to that, wrldpc.
15:19 < kanzure> I think that's the iGEM team, right?
15:19 < kanzure> http://igem.org/
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15:57 < kanzure> I wonder why I gave the same name to the laptop and the server. I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure out why, suddenly, the scanner wasn't working.
16:05 < nsh> massive global conspiracy?
16:34 < kanzure> heh
17:26 < kanzure> okay, this one's my fault -- need to go in an hour to join the Maker Fair.
17:32 < nsh> cool
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19:39 < ybit> oi, any movie recommendations while i grub on some veggie kabobs?
19:39 < ybit> video*
19:39 < ybit> i've watched all ted vids it seems
21:11 < wrldpc> vegetarianism?
21:11 < wrldpc> did you see gershenfeld's ted talk?
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22:10 < kanzure> Hahah.
22:10 < kanzure> That went ridiculously well.
22:11 < kanzure> I kinda sorta got the 'community outreach/organization' position.
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