--- Day changed Tue Jun 17 2008 00:01 -!- ybit [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/ybit] has left #hplusroadmap [] 00:45 * kanzure grins. 00:45 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/utorientation2008/ 00:45 < kanzure> I've found the loop hole that makes it a legal requirement to allow me to do a dual degree / double major. 00:59 < fenn> i dont think manufacturing design is an undergrad program 01:00 < kanzure> confirmed by the director in his announcement in may 01:00 < kanzure> so 01:00 < kanzure> :) 01:01 < fenn> "There are nine areas of research" doesnt mean "undergrad program" 01:02 < kanzure> not director, 'chairman' 01:02 < kanzure> oops 01:03 < fenn> anyway, he's just copy/pasting the department page 01:03 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/undergrad/areas.php 01:04 < kanzure> manufacturing & design is listed on that page :-/ 01:04 < kanzure> 'Operations Research & Industrial Engineering' would be interesting, but I bet it's more "Operations Research for already existing systems oh my god where are the profit margins" 01:05 < fenn> its actually more like 'how to build a factory' stuff 01:06 < kanzure> oh? 01:06 < fenn> Industrial Engineering is concerned with the design, improvement, and installation of integrated systems of persons, material, and equipment. 01:06 * kanzure is still wondering how the hell these people come up with knowledge on manufacturing processes with so much of the knowledge being proprietary 01:07 < kanzure> industry connections, I guess 01:07 < fenn> because industry doesnt come up with new processes 01:08 < fenn> it all starts in academia, pretty much 01:08 < fenn> or at least gets published in scientific journals if not 01:09 * kanzure randomly selects a manufactured object in his room 01:09 < kanzure> gimme the cites 01:09 < kanzure> Okay. I need some sleep. There's a few things coming together from a couple different directions, 01:09 < kanzure> the transhuman guys have finally realized they need a database :-) 01:10 < fenn> wta? 01:10 < fenn> or tt? 01:10 < kanzure> wta somewhat, but actually there's some initative from Max More here in Austin 01:10 < kanzure> both agree, but Max is going to be more receptive to a process-oriented system 01:10 < kanzure> whereas wta just wants a plain old wiki 01:10 < kanzure> (to say that it's done something) 01:10 < fenn> meh, wta can piss off for all i care 01:11 < kanzure> I am still on the wta website update team, but I don't know what I can do at most 01:11 < kanzure> I don't actually know what I would do with an organizing implied to be just /ahead/ of new research and so on 01:11 < kanzure> this stuff is obviously lagging by decades 01:11 < kanzure> and so would I, I suspect 01:12 < kanzure> so how would you make an organization to do some good in that area, while not relying on being kept up to date on the tip-top of tech, without actually failing in your mission 01:12 < kanzure> hard question :) 01:12 < kanzure> Also, the diybio guys might be interested in it, probably not though 01:12 < fenn> well, keeping an accessible overview of the state of the art of important technologies is a good starting point 01:12 < kanzure> they all want to use delicious 01:13 < kanzure> fenn: or just make it up-propagating 01:13 < fenn> delicious == vendor lock in 01:13 < kanzure> yes 01:13 < kanzure> they don't understand that 01:13 < kanzure> and it's weird 01:13 < fenn> how can you not understand that 01:13 < kanzure> these guys are supposedly the comp sci / bio crossovers 01:13 < kanzure> so if anything they should have super powers in understanding this 01:13 < kanzure> I tried to explain it in terms of computational efficiency 01:13 < kanzure> "wah, write a spider" 01:13 < kanzure> "WTF mate, you had the info in the first place" 01:14 < kanzure> also, I may or may not be getting some interested eyes from IEEE. Probably not. but. 01:14 < fenn> when's noserub supposed to be workable/ 01:14 < kanzure> bleh 01:15 < kanzure> you and I could both write something more functional in under 20 minutes 01:15 < fenn> heh 01:16 < kanzure> thttpd/perl 01:16 < fenn> "open source, dude." 01:16 < kanzure> http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/notes.html 01:16 < fenn> gets me every time 01:16 < kanzure> hm? 01:17 < kanzure> I think what noserub is lacking is the actual file specs 01:17 < kanzure> not sure, I'm clicking around and not finding anything 01:17 < kanzure> http://foaf-project.org/ might be of assistance 01:17 < kanzure> just need to find a class-implementor in some scripting language or something 01:17 < kanzure> and then pass that through a cgi gateway (yuck?) 01:18 < fenn> yeah noserub should just be something like DNS propagation 01:18 < kanzure> but noserub does 'everyone has apache' - what about the old ideas from freenet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet 01:18 < kanzure> actually 01:18 < kanzure> everyone-has-apache is a good start 01:18 < fenn> the old freenet was a very good design.. the new darknet stuff makes it unusable though 01:18 < kanzure> I'd be okay with that 01:19 < fenn> no, protocol should have nothing to do with a specific implementation 01:19 < kanzure> hm? 01:19 < kanzure> sure 01:19 < kanzure> but I don't see how I implied that 01:19 < kanzure> (I mean, what you are disagreeing with) 01:19 < fenn> "everyone-has-apache is a good start" 01:20 < fenn> then apache becomes the de-facto standard 01:20 < kanzure> meh, apache has modules for new protocol addition 01:20 < kanzure> well 01:20 < kanzure> is that a good way to add protocols to a system? 01:20 < fenn> and any attempts to change things are met with 'wah, it'll break apache' 01:20 < kanzure> has anybody ever questioned apache's module usage? 01:20 < kanzure> and why isn't my apache config file in python yet? 01:20 < kanzure> or perl? 01:20 < fenn> modules are back-end stuff 01:20 < fenn> because it's in apache language :) 01:20 < kanzure> mewonders how much bloat is in apache 01:21 < fenn> enough :) 01:21 < kanzure> heh 01:21 < kanzure> okay, g'night 01:21 * kanzure has early wakeups due to bussing 01:21 -!- kanzure [n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:36 -!- Splicer [n=p@h242n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 03:54 -!- nsh [n=nsh@eduroam-80.uta.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:52 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@www.online.dn.ua] has quit ["Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 10:55 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:09 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:08 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:30 < ybit> wrldpc: slightly late, but... i was planning on trying fold.it but it isn't for linux 13:30 < ybit> i could run it on a VM, but it's probably not worth the effort 13:38 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:43 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:29 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:29 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:50 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:53 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:37 < wrldpc> ybit: I thought there was a Linux distro. 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