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01:05 < willPow3r> a friend of mine is going to that
01:05 < willPow3r> to see aubrey speak
01:35 < kanzure> Aubrey has been an interesting guy, but he and I seem to disagree on implementation issues.
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02:14 < kanzure> Isn't it a common tactic in mathematics and sometimes science that when it becomes too burdensome to prove something, that you then prove its opposite?
02:15 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="theory+of+attention"
02:15 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="theory+of+distraction"
02:15 < kanzure> Huh.
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09:49 < kanzure> Those Russians are up to something.
09:51 < nsh> what this time?
09:59 < kanzure> same thing
09:59 < kanzure> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/12/14/revisiting-ruby-on-rails-revisited.html?page=2 ruby script\generate scaffold recipe recipe
09:59 < kanzure> aha
10:00 < kanzure> so this is what's up with ruby
10:00 < kanzure> I always imagined writing a script like this
10:00 < kanzure> so that I can just construct tables and then generate the 'scaffold'
10:00 < kanzure> guess somebody got around to actually doing it
10:03 < kanzure> Hey, so can anybody confirm the general bullshitness of this ? Apparently KDE 3.5 can't possibly use two virtual desktops at the same time. So when I ALT+TAB on one screen, it ALT+TABs on all screens. This sounds like a 'bug' that many would want to get rid of.
10:04 < nsh> does seem a bit stupid
10:06 < kanzure> so when I maximize it maximizes across monitors
10:06 < kanzure> but I have to admit that this is a great improvement anyway
10:06 < kanzure> just with two monitors :-)
10:07  * nsh takes your word for it
10:08 < kanzure> even a junky 15" is better than nothing at all
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10:21 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: Intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKbzbeipmI http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/ | diy bio toolkit: http://biohack.sf.net/ | Automated societal knowledge (put it to work): http://heybryan.org/exp.html | Channel wiki: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | F/OSS perspectives on Kurzweil: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/
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14:45 < mib_psal02> greetings from werk.
14:45 < mib_psal02> <wrldpc
14:51 < fenn_> grr what's with libraries making it hard to access information
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15:08 < mib_psal02> who knows, man.  what's with knowledge embargo in general?
15:21 < mib_psal02> do you accept on some level that "the universe" only gives you what you're capable of parsing??
15:21 < mib_psal02> what about the logos?
15:21 < mib_psal02> wimax
15:21 < mib_psal02> heh
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15:59 < h2i> w00t, making progress
15:59 -!- h2i is now known as ybit
15:59 < ybit> down from 321 website tabs to 77 :)
16:00 < ybit> the news feed isn't looking so good though 1k+ o.O
16:01 < ybit> and i've got to read everything that took place in IRC
16:01  * ybit needs another brain
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16:39 < kanzure> ybit: I need another one too.
16:56 < mib_psal02> Okay I need a task.
16:56 < mib_psal02> Human brain reporting for duty.
17:11 < mib_psal02> eh
17:11 < mib_psal02> heh
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18:19 < kanzure> Who is mib?
18:21 < fenn> wrldpc>
18:21 < fenn> mib = mibbit.com autogenerated nick
18:35 < wrldpc> heh
18:35 < wrldpc> was at work.
18:35 < wrldpc> I want something to do.
18:35 < wrldpc> Waht can I do to help?
18:41 < ybit> kanzure: don't forget boston university ..http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Undergaduate_neuroscience
18:41 < kanzure> go add it
18:41 < ybit> meh
18:41 < ybit> :P
18:41 < kanzure> you lazy ass
18:41 < kanzure> although I can't blame you, I hate clicking too
18:41 < ybit> hey! i corrected a mispelling just a few mins ago
18:41 < kanzure> neat :)
18:41 < ybit> i'm not too lazy
18:42  * kanzure lugged two monitors from down south today
18:42 < kanzure> two more coming tomorrow
18:42 < kanzure> these things are beasts
18:42 < kanzure> the hdd storage space arrived via FedEx today
18:43 < ybit> what are your plans for the monitors? i have an extra monitor, but i don't use it
18:43 < kanzure> supposedly tomorrow I will be getting my case, power supply, thingamajigs, and thingamabobs.
18:43 < kanzure> ybit: http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/ except on crack
18:43 < fenn> adderall
18:43 < kanzure> except on adderall
18:43 < kanzure> thank you
18:44 < kanzure> glad someone is listening?
18:45 < ybit> was looking at my bookmarks... 
18:45 < kanzure> I was joking.
18:46 < ybit> heh, gl with that setup :P
18:46 < kanzure> the biggest difficulty is maximizing table height, my height, the chair's height, and table depth for the minimal space in the dorm
18:46 < kanzure> given the extreme size of the monitors
18:47 < ybit> i bet caltech and GIT have undergrad programs
18:47 < kanzure> Georgia? Hell yes.
18:48 < kanzure> That's one of the better schools for neuroengineering.
18:48 < kanzure> Wait, I'm thinking Georgiatech. Is that GIT?
18:48 < ybit> yep
18:48 < fenn> that's because it's the heart of the illuminati conspiracy
18:48 < ybit> i found that with multiple monitors i was just distracted 
18:49 < fenn> i think multiple monitors would be very useful for doing electronics layout
18:49 < kanzure> haha, you just try doing anything significant with ALT+TAB and switching between sheets of virtual paper
18:49 < ybit> with my one small lappy monitor, i can easily focus on one task at a time
18:49 < kanzure> ybit: do you program?
18:49 < kanzure> I mean, code?
18:49 < ybit> little
18:49 < kanzure> yeah ...
18:49 < kanzure> just call me the distraction master
18:49 < fenn> hmm for code all you need is a vim session and browser with api reference...
18:50 < ybit> VIM! w00t
18:50 < ybit> :)
18:50 < kanzure> I'd argue that it would be useful to have multiple pages of documentation up at the same time
18:50 < kanzure> or multiple scripts that you're hacking at (I don't know)
18:51 < kanzure> for instance, right now I'd definitely move my email and feed reader over to another monitor
18:51 < kanzure> my bookmarks are currently displayed on the second monitor
18:51 < kanzure> and that's why I've been pasting more links recently
18:51 < kanzure> at least, links that aren't related to the server downstairs
18:51 < fenn> and then tape over that monitor with aluminum foil so that no light can seep through
18:51 < kanzure> hah
18:51 < kanzure> :)
18:52 < fenn> (email and feeds that is)
18:52 < ybit> well, gtg, there's the only dork meeting in town happening tonight and i've got to be there
18:52 < kanzure> dorkman away!
18:52 < fenn> dork dork dork
18:52 < ybit> que the music!
18:52 < ybit> later
18:53 < fenn> this looks pretty neat http://www.opencircuits.com/Linuxstamp
18:53 < kanzure> so, fenn, I was hoping to install squid-proxy and play around with openmosix on one of the near-dead boxes that I have laying around (would need to get a 2.4 kernel somehow)
18:53 < kanzure> the 'archive everything I view on the net' thing
18:53 < kanzure> which would equate to also automatically bookmarking it too
18:54 < kanzure> and then just implement some key commands to delete a page that I don't like/need, or a command to just bookmark, etc
18:54 < kanzure> with openmosix I'm hoping to shift some of the more active procs off of my main boxen to the other boxen
18:55 < fenn> parallel pdf-rendering cluster
18:55 < fenn> why are pdf's so slow to begin with is the real question
18:56 < fenn> anyway, sounds like a good plan. still gotta sort/tag bookmarks or end up with a mess
18:56 < kanzure> because adobe cuts herself
18:56 < fenn> not me, i run ghostscript
18:56 < kanzure> what?
18:56 < fenn> kpdf
18:57 < kanzure> I thought Adobe did the PDF standard ?
18:57 < fenn> hmm. i still dont get it
18:57 < kanzure> why would the programmers at adobe be so cruel
18:57 < kanzure> don't they use this software for themselves?
18:58 < fenn> because they are mathematically inclined?
18:58 < kanzure> huh?
18:58 < kanzure> I was implying that they are doing self-injurious behavior
18:58 < fenn> postscript was a text layout software originally, so performance wasn't really an issue
18:58 < fenn> now it's turned into a defacto exchange standard
18:59 < kanzure> if I ever run a journal, I'll demand no PDFs. Instead, you're submitting me a tar or zip with your raw data and source code.
18:59 < fenn> but surely there are faster ways to render postscript at reduced quality (i.e. just draw the text with an X font instead of fancy scaling and antialiasing)
18:59 < kanzure> hm
18:59 < fenn> kanzure: many scientific papers are submitted as LaTeX but then they are distributed as pdf
18:59 < kanzure> I'm going to cry if the quadcore doesn't improve rendering performance
19:00 < fenn> lol good luck
19:00 < fenn> the world is too stupid to use parallel processing
19:00 < kanzure> ooh, four pages at once
19:00 < kanzure> (four monitors)
19:00 < kanzure> actually it's more like six monitors
19:00 < kanzure> I have some hidden in my closet and on the other side of the bed that the parental unit doesn't know about (or remember)
19:00 < fenn> and a spinning mirror to multiplex pages in front of you at 50Hz?
19:01 < kanzure> well, if it improves rendering ...
19:01 < kanzure> wait
19:01 < kanzure> did I interpret you correctly?
19:01 < fenn> $2k should be able to buy a lot of monitors
19:01 < kanzure> theoretically
19:02 < kanzure> but I just got ripped off today
19:02 < kanzure> spent $25/ea
19:02 < kanzure> for 21" monitors
19:02 < fenn> uff they're CRT's eh?
19:02 < kanzure> yes
19:02 < kanzure> I don't need large stuff, I'd be ok with 17" too, but whatever
19:03 < kanzure> as for the tagging problem
19:03 < kanzure> or bookmarking problem
19:03 < kanzure> I'm clueless.
19:03 < kanzure> I sometimes find awesome information on my hard drives
19:03 < kanzure> stuff that I haven't seen in years
19:04 < kanzure> but probably should have, etc.
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19:04 < kanzure> I definitely need to keep an overall map of everything I have
19:04 < fenn> you need something like supermemo that watches what you're interested in and then spits possibly interesting nostalgia at you
19:04 < kanzure> what the hell defines possibily :-/
19:04 < kanzure> *possibly
19:04 < fenn> well that's where it gets interesting.. :)
19:05 < kanzure> so,
19:05 < fenn> you could do some neural net weighting that correlates what web pages you're looking at with what's in cache
19:05 < kanzure> what sort of correlation importance would be needed
19:05 < kanzure> I mean, 20% hit ratio?
19:05 < kanzure> 50% would be nice, but I suspect unlikely
19:05 < kanzure> and it would probably get lower the more content I accumulate
19:05 < kanzure> hm
19:06 < kanzure> I definitely like the idea of this though
19:06 < fenn> threshold depends on how busy you are, start with the highest score and keep going until you get sick of it
19:06 < kanzure> I could have one monitor that just pops up random shit
19:06 < fenn> right
19:06 < kanzure> and then closes out of it after a certain amount of time
19:06 < kanzure> with a very explicit log
19:06 < fenn> and a back button
19:06 < kanzure> in case I have one of those "what the hell was that from five seconds ago"
19:06 < kanzure> sure, but with the caveat that there should be no human interaction to let it go do its stuff
19:06 < kanzure> enki-2 has something like this
19:06 < fenn> oh ya?
19:06 < kanzure> but he has it pop up text on his screen randomly
19:07 < kanzure> 'xsublim'
19:07 < kanzure> subliminal messages
19:07 < kanzure> I tried it out, wasn't impressed
19:07 < fenn> i thuoght that was for hypnotizing/seducing the roomates
19:07 < kanzure> orly
19:07 < fenn> dont quote me on that, it might have been me misunderstanding
19:07 < kanzure> no, supposedly he does it to prep his ol' filters
19:07 < kanzure> I don't know if it works
19:08 < kanzure> he's claiming that it makes him more receptive to new ideas that are related to the content that has been flashing in front of him
19:08 < fenn> yeah, i can see how that might work
19:08 < kanzure> the reason why I doubt its functionality is because enki-2 might be enki-2 even without it
19:09 < fenn> it might also give you a nervous tick
19:09 < kanzure> ?
19:09 < kanzure> if not a seizure?
19:09 < kanzure> i'm kind of twiddling my thumbs and toes waiting for tomorrow's package, not much else to do in the mean time me thinks
19:10 < fenn> probably not a seizure
19:10 < kanzure> I did find something interesting earlier today on the polymerization of GI-POFs
19:10 < fenn> unless you really muck with the settings (18Hz redraw rate)
19:10 < kanzure> POFs = polymer optical fiber
19:10 < kanzure> GI = graded index
19:10 < kanzure> there's also PF or psomething fluorinated polymer optical fibers
19:10 < kanzure> anyway, 
19:10 < fenn> i was not really reading about optical fiber tethers for navy submarines today
19:11 < kanzure> it turns out that someone figured out how to make plastic internet connections with a centrifuge
19:11 < kanzure> the protocol was something like 7 hours at 3k rpm at 90 deg C.
19:11 < fenn> duh.. what's a plastic internet connection?
19:11 < kanzure> it's plastic
19:11 < kanzure> and it's a wire
19:11 < kanzure> well, not a wire
19:11 < kanzure> think of an glasseous optical cable, and now suddenly it's plastic :-)
19:12 < kanzure> reliably does 0.1 to 1 km without signal degradation
19:12 < fenn> yes i know what fiberoptics are.. but what's it got to do with centrifuges
19:12 < kanzure> and can do upwards 16 Gbit/sec from what I've been reading
19:12 < kanzure> the method of making the plastic
19:12 < kanzure> you mix chemicals together
19:13 < kanzure> and you let it polymerize.
19:13 < fenn> i'm picturing spinning up a big cylinder of plastic so the heavy stuff falls to the surface of the cylinder
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19:13 < fenn> and then melting/stretching it out
19:13 < kanzure> well, you have cylinders or straws inside
19:14 < kanzure> which is supposedly the tubing that you'd be using in the end anyway
19:49 < fenn> more wearable/shareable computers http://advogato.org/article/964.html
19:59 < kanzure> advogato.org hosted the debtorrent essay stuff
19:59 < kanzure> that I link to in http://heybryan.org/exp.html
20:00 < kanzure> "The goal is simple: *actually* provide people with a means to articulate their thoughts, needs and desires, and to be able to communicate those thoughts needs and desires to whoever can fulfil them. world-wide."
20:00 < kanzure> geeze
20:00 < kanzure> it's as if 
20:00 < kanzure> dunno, like we actually wanted to get something done for once
20:03 < fenn> yeah a lot of that article sounds familiar
20:03 < kanzure> " hardware. "well-understood" does not necessarily mean "well-liked". For example, I heard somewhere that google told people that it uses brute-force search instead of database indexing (which didn't go down too well on slashdot)."
20:03 < kanzure> huh
20:03 < kanzure> I thought they were using pigeons :)
20:04 < fenn> no, that's blug (the other blug)
20:04 < kanzure> " 
20:04 < kanzure> The key to understanding "Knowledge" is in the Vedic scriptures, which are *not* religious texts: they are an expansion of quantum mechanics functions. Many readers will have difficulty accepting this simple statement. The only thing that I can say to you is: it's taken me my entire life so far to understand enough to be able to state what I have, and it's only in the recent few weeks that I've begun to fully comprehend the signif
20:04 < kanzure> while I can grok the Vedic
20:04 < kanzure> I don't know why he has to say quantum mechanics :)
20:04 < fenn> http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
20:05 < fenn> http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/vegard_bilder/tn/08karlmag_pigeon_testpacket.jpg.html
20:06 < kanzure> http://lkcl.net/
20:06 < fenn> never underestimate the bandwidth of a comet loaded with nanites, hurtling across the galaxy
20:07 < kanzure> yes, but he could have just as easily said cosmology
20:08 < kanzure> or mathematics
20:08 < kanzure> or information science
20:08 < kanzure> etc.
20:08 < fenn> eh sorry i was off on a pigeon tangent
20:08 < fenn> he should have left the vedic stuff out, it's too out-there
20:09 < fenn> i think i hate pyjamas already
20:18 < kanzure> heh
20:18 < kanzure> actually, the Vedas might represent a good bunch of people
20:18 < kanzure> now, whether or not their documentation is good
20:18 < kanzure> is a valid question
20:19 < kanzure> apparently Zindell is very Vedic.
20:19 < kanzure> Elder Eddas (in Neverness) ==> the Vedas.
20:23 < kanzure> heh, randomly walking aruond the house => randomly available, oversized monitors
20:24 < fenn> distributed bug tracker 
20:24 < fenn> http://github.com/jwiegley/git-issues/tree/master
20:25 < kanzure> huh
20:25 < kanzure> cool
21:40 < kanzure> hm
21:41 < kanzure> turns out that there's some common circuits in the brain for attention and eye movement
21:41 < kanzure> which makes sense
21:41 < kanzure> consider the difference between GUI and shell
21:41 < kanzure> with a shell you don't normally watch every single thing on the screen, you kind of just sit there and know where to look
21:41 < kanzure> whereas with a GUI you, in general, have to move your eyes frequently in peculiar wys
21:41 < kanzure> *ways
22:38 < kanzure> "Anybody can make a biological weapon." - Eric Toner, FBI/CDC/CIA agent on bioterrorism.
22:38 < kanzure> ok, we have the go ahead
22:38 < kanzure> :-p
22:38 < kanzure> I kid.
22:39 < kanzure> http://panvent.blogspot.com/2008/05/unused-dr-eric-toner-blog-post.html
22:39 < kanzure> oh shit
22:39 < kanzure> Eric seems to be working on a pandemic ventilator project
22:40 < kanzure> ' Handbook of Mathematical Cognition'
22:50 < fenn> that's cool, i guess they aren't all bad
22:51 < fenn> the real problem is that we have near-zero defense against any kind of virus
22:54 < fenn> operating hospitals on "just in time" supply lines seems like a generally bad idea though
22:56 < fenn> on a related note, i acquired an oxygen generator today
22:56 < fenn> useful for various welding and glassworking things
22:56 < fenn> no idea how to test it though
23:04 < fenn> ugh PLC and labview :P