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00:36 < kanzure> oh, it's an actual wheel
00:36 < kanzure> revolving repositories?
00:36 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_of_the_Song_Dynasty#Revolving_repositories
00:37 < kanzure> now if only they included revision control
00:38 < kanzure> I like the bookwheel.
00:39 < kanzure> screw bootstrapping
00:39 < kanzure> I'll just go build the gene expression analysis machine for human brain slices
00:40 < kanzure> that's basically the information I need for the attention augmentation system
00:40 < kanzure> and then from there everything seemingly falls into place
00:43 < kanzure> 'We are proposing placing the finished R2D2 droid in an "arena" and 
00:43 < kanzure> allowing folks to drive the droid and control all its functions (sounds, 
00:43 < kanzure> lights, movements) via remote-control.
00:43 < kanzure> The issue we're trying to figure out now is how do we make it so the 
00:43 < kanzure> droid can "sense" the edges of its "enclosure" and not go "out of 
00:43 < kanzure> bounds" when being driven by the "guest driver". The idea would be to 
00:43 < kanzure> "disconnect" remote control from the driver long enough to reorient the 
00:43 < kanzure> droid to point away from the arena barrier, then give control back.'
00:43 < kanzure> http://www.notepad.org/Drive-a-Droid6b.pdf
00:53 < kanzure> solved it
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01:23 < ybit> this is a test message
01:28 < kanzure> why
02:01  * kanzure is downloading the human cortex
02:01  * willPow3r hopes that doesn't involve decapitation
02:02 < kanzure> You're next.
02:02 < willPow3r> its a good thing you don't know that i live in san diego then
02:18 < kanzure> maybe I'll just punch you through the monitor :)
02:18 < kanzure> brain still downloading
02:18 < kanzure> it's a lot of XML data
02:18 < kanzure> conveniently referenced to brain region
02:19 < kanzure> with respect to the gene IDs out there on the net
02:26 < willPow3r> the brain uses xml for memory storage?
02:33 < kanzure> apparently :)
02:35 < willPow3r> good thing it's not proprietary
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02:48 < kanzure> colorimetric in situ hybridization
02:48 < kanzure> I don't know how they are getting regional information out of this.
02:48 < kanzure> It's not in the XML. But it appears on the HTML docs.
02:50 < kanzure> guess I'll have to fetch the specimen metadata too
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09:36 < kanzure> Looks like the whole of the geek community is rejoicing about Gates' leaving.
12:16 < kanzure> woah, the laptop's processor is running at 87 degrees celsius?
12:41 < kanzure> http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/has/siv?imageId=79479109 <--- the human cortex is on rails
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12:52 < kanzure> http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/Ergonomics/compergo.htm funny how computers qualify as a source of disease at the CDC.
13:35 < kanzure> http://neurocommons.org
13:41 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-hcls-kb-20080604/
13:42 < nsh> looks interesting (neurocommons)
13:43 < nsh> i don't click w3c links :-)
13:43 < kanzure> then at least click this
13:43 < kanzure> http://hcls.deri.ie/hcls_demo.html
13:43 < kanzure> 'The following queries access a SPARQL endpoint hosted at DERI. The underlying triplestore contains over 325 million RDF triples of biomedical information. The information covers a large array of biomedical knowledge: from basic molecular biology over literature annotation up to anatomy and physiology.'
13:47 < nsh> mmmm
13:47 < nsh> cool!
13:50 < kanzure> Just got an email from someone signed "Edwin Wise, Rogue Technologist"
13:51 < nsh> a least he wasn't a rouge technologist
13:51 < nsh> selling you musical tales of romance and blusher
15:01 < ybit> did anyone see this?
15:01 < ybit> http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/21042/?a=f
15:06  * nsh hadn't; thanks
15:21 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-08.png
15:21 < kanzure> ybit: What is it?
15:21 < kanzure> yes
15:21 < kanzure> wlrdpc blogged it and yelped about it in here a few weeks ago
15:22 < kanzure> this might be a different one
15:22 < kanzure> anyway, I'm working off of http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/ right now
15:22 < kanzure> I'm stealing most of their data
15:22 < kanzure> and cooking up something pretty fancy ;-)
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15:58 < kanzure> fenn: CPAN uses YAML apparently.
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17:30 < kanzure> interesting fellow: http://www.alleninstitute.org/content/paul_wohnoutka.htm
17:32 < kanzure> http://www.labautomation.org/journal/archives/jala12.6.cfm
17:34 < kanzure> http://www.markboguski.net/neurogenomics.htm <-- the guy who found Paul
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18:30 < kanzure> Beep.
18:33  * nsh reads about the simulation argument
18:39  * fenn reads about the hanford nuclear site
18:43  * nsh dpesnmhanford
18:43 < nsh> *doesn't like the sound of that
18:45 < kanzure> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Banff2007Part2.pdf
18:45 < kanzure> you want to click it
18:45 < nsh> During the Cold War, the project was expanded to include nine nuclear reactors and five massive plutonium processing complexes, which produced plutonium for most of the 60,000 weapons in the U.S. nuclear arsenal.[2][3]
18:45 < nsh> :-/
18:46 < nsh> hmmm
18:47 < kanzure> I am a moron.
18:47 < kanzure> Who are these Science Commons guys?
18:50 < nsh> researchers that have been attracted to the project?
18:51 < nsh> oh, science commons is different to scientific commons
18:51 < kanzure> what the hell? they also run creativecommons.org
18:52 < nsh> well, it's a project of creative commons
18:52 < nsh> which is, by now, a large movement
18:52 < nsh> probably getting close to fsf proportions
18:52 < kanzure> interesting
18:52 < kanzure> I thought 'creative commons' existed before the fsf
18:55 < nsh> nah, less than five years old, i think
18:56 < nsh> "The initial set of Creative Commons licenses was published on December 16, 2002.[5]
18:56 < nsh> Creative Commons was officially launched in 2001 
18:56 < nsh> -WP
18:56 < kanzure> huh.
18:56 < kanzure> I never actually looked into it
18:56 < kanzure> I thought it was very similar to "public domain"
18:57 < nsh> public-domain with teeth
18:57  * nsh is past caring about copyright law though
18:57 < kanzure> yes, but take a look, they 
18:57 < kanzure> they have RDF/XML metadata for 'works'
18:57 < kanzure> so that when those who do care about licensing,
18:58 < kanzure> *licensing throw up this 'license'
18:58 < kanzure> what they are really doing is throwing up metadata
18:58 < kanzure> haha, it's a slick move
18:59 < kanzure> I'm wondering if sciencecommons.org is the real deal
18:59 < kanzure> they do mention the acceleration of science via automation
18:59 < kanzure> however, all of this semantic metadata 
18:59 < kanzure> falls under the same arguments that we were mentioning in here a few months ago, I think
18:59 < kanzure> in that they aren't exactly integrated with http://expo.sf.net/ although they certainly should be
19:00 < kanzure> I'd prefer it if it were all YAML and code floating around instead of just raw data that requires a human to implement each time they come across it
19:00 < kanzure> and therefore it sucks
19:00  * kanzure feels better
19:00 < nsh> that's the problem with the internet-as-ecosystem
19:00 < nsh> it's inherently impossible while there continues to be "too much space"
19:00 < kanzure> what ?
19:00 < kanzure> why is it impossible?
19:00 < nsh> there is no a priori requirement of successfull interaction
19:00 < kanzure> look, when you make a new SQL table,
19:01 < kanzure> upload the SQL used to create it, damn it
19:01 < nsh> when everything is able to work in isolation
19:01 < kanzure> and when you have a database, give me read access to the daemon, you jerk
19:01  * nsh nods
19:01 < nsh> but there's no requirement for these things
19:01 < kanzure> doesn't matter
19:01 < nsh> in meatspace, everything is forced to interact
19:01 < kanzure> it can be implemented very easily in the tools
19:01 < nsh> there's no comparmentalisation outside of geology
19:02 < kanzure> ruby on rails lets you 'scaffold' the exported structure of a mysql (and many other forms of) table
19:02 < kanzure> just an example off the top of my head
19:02 < kanzure> but in general those structures should be an 'object'
19:02 < kanzure> i.e., a library module that you can modprobe
19:02 < kanzure> obviously you don't need it in your kernel space
19:02 < kanzure> you need it in userspace
19:03 < kanzure> but the modprobe illustration works ;-)
19:03  * nsh checks for running tap
19:03 < kanzure> ?
19:03 < nsh> sorry, really annoying plumbing in this apartment
19:04 < nsh> so yeah, modularity should be implicit
19:05 < kanzure> I've found their base of operations, of sorts,
19:05 < kanzure> and it's at the w3's mailing lists
19:05 < kanzure> so my ideas there might be unwelcomed
19:05 < nsh> whose?
19:05 < kanzure> w3c's
19:06 < nsh> oh, good luck
19:06 < kanzure> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/
19:06 < kanzure> are they stubborn?
19:06 < nsh> people who sit on commitees are the type of people who get asked to sit on commitees
19:06  * nsh shrugs
19:07 < nsh> not people i trust to build the future
19:07 < nsh> sure, ten years ago
19:07 < nsh> when it was all hackers
19:07 < kanzure> these are the same people who did the brain map
19:07  * nsh nods
19:07 < nsh> i think my prejudice does not cover the people on this list
19:07 < nsh> they are just using the tools
19:08 < kanzure> "JOIN: Bryan Bishop. Hi. Here's my idea to make all of this better. kthnxbai"
19:08 < nsh> go for it
19:09 < nsh> mailing lists annoy me :-/
19:09 < nsh> too much clicking
19:09 < kanzure> why's that?
19:09 < nsh> clicking is the bane of my internet experience
19:09 < kanzure> uh
19:09 < kanzure> have you tried a mail client
19:10  * nsh smiles
19:10 < kanzure> ?
19:10 < kanzure> I've reduced it down to one click per message
19:10 < nsh> i don't think this software allows one to download the archive
19:11 < kanzure> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/mboxes/
19:11 < nsh> protected
19:11 < kanzure> uhh
19:12  * nsh has no W3C account
19:12 < kanzure> why the hell would there even be W3C accounts
19:12 < kanzure> this sucks
19:13 < nsh> beauorocracy
19:13 < nsh> however it's spelt :-)
19:13 < nsh> bureaucracy
19:13  * nsh hates french words
19:19 < Splicer> they should be boycotted... oops
19:20  * nsh chuckles
19:21 < nsh> boycott, apparantly, is from an Irish name
19:21 < nsh> 1880, from Irish Land League ostracism of Capt. Charles C. Boycott (1832-1897) land agent of Lough-Mask in County Mayo, who refused to lower rents for his tenant farmers. Quickly adopted by newspapers in languages as far afield as Japanese (boikotto). The family name is from a place in England.
19:21 < nsh> cott as a place name suffix may well be normal, though
19:21 < nsh> *norman
19:22 < nsh> nope, saxon
19:22 < nsh> from which, i assume, we get the word "cottage"
19:24 < Splicer> didn't know
19:24 < Splicer> are you finish or staying there?
19:24 < Splicer> *finnish
19:25 < nsh> yes.
19:26 < nsh> (i have dual(british-finnish)nationality and have just completed voluntary work as national service)
19:26 < Splicer> you mean like conscription?
19:26 < nsh> indeed
19:26 < Splicer> hehe
19:27 < Splicer> dragsvik or some other place?
19:27 < nsh> i was conscripted to the finnish defense forces in 2004 (technically, it was voluntary; you haven't met my mother though)
19:27 < nsh> after going awol for a few years, i decided to come back and do civilian service
19:27 < nsh> which lead to my current job, in a genetic lab
19:27 < nsh> *genetics
19:27 < nsh> dragsvik doesn't sound very finnish :-)
19:28 < Splicer> it's the swedish regiment... you probably know
19:28 < Splicer> i changed nationalities when I started getting papers
19:29 < Splicer> so I did that stuff in sweden
19:29 < nsh> ah, cool
19:30 < nsh> yeah, your uniforms were funnier-looking than ours, iirc
19:30 < Splicer> yeah.. that was why
19:31 < Splicer> right now the finns are kindof the de facto swedish defence
19:32 < nsh> unfortunate geography in that regard :-)
19:32 < nsh> http://blog.karppinen.fi/2008/07/apple-just-gave-out-my-apple-i.html  
19:33 < nsh> ^ ouch pwnt
19:34 < Splicer> classic hacking
23:03 < kanzure> nsh: Hm.
23:03 < kanzure> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-06
23:03 < kanzure> it mentions irc.w3.org, which I just /connected to 
23:03 < kanzure> coincidence? :)