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04:25  * fenn is wondering why 240 pin memory costs 1/4 the price of 184 pin memory
04:26 < God_Helmet> i am being mean
04:26 < God_Helmet> :/
04:26 < God_Helmet> i swear its just the Rum speaking
04:26 < God_Helmet> :D
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10:00 < kanzure> argh, somebody needs to point out the technical incompetence of wta
10:01 < kanzure> how can I best do this?
10:01 < kanzure> "they are paying people for web work" ?
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10:18 < Democritus> http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-3.html
10:18 < Democritus> nope christians are NOT like muslims at all!
10:20 < fenn> hey how come nothing for guys, that's sexist!
10:20 < Democritus> they get speedos
10:21 < Democritus> going to start a store reselling those- hidden in each "burka" swimwear piece will be a brazilian bikini
10:24 < nsh> w/wax?
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10:24 < Democritus> lol
10:24 < Democritus> had not thought of that- 
10:25 < Democritus> well the girls look young, shouldnt be an issue
10:25  * nsh smiles a grimacey smile
10:25 < Democritus> "sitting on a park bench.  eying little girls with bad intent"
10:25 < fenn> they all have bad intent if you ask me
10:25 < Democritus> i always wondered how jethro tull got away with that line
10:26  * nsh curses MIT for using realmedia for opencourseware
10:26 < Democritus> ack
10:26 < Democritus> come on MIT
10:27 < nsh> it is a bit of a joke really
10:27 < nsh> these guys are supposed to have a small mountain of clue
10:27 < Democritus> my son wants to go there- but mostly because he heard about the guys doing the vegas-card thing
10:27 < nsh> i guess they buried it under a larger mountain of business-idiocy
10:27  * nsh smiles
10:27 < nsh> well, was quite an inspirational story 
10:28 < nsh> :-)
10:28  * nsh tries using online media conversion
10:28 < fenn> you can't use mplayer?
10:29 < Democritus> mplayer does do real
10:29  * nsh is between unices :-/
10:30 < fenn> caught between a rock and a warm fuzzy place
10:30 < nsh> caught between a broken external hdd and a lot of data 
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10:42 < fenn> well it seems to work ok after enough cycles of wget/find the url
10:44 < Democritus> cool
10:44 < Democritus> opencourseware - any good subjects on there?
10:49 < Democritus> fuck i have to fly to boston next week
10:49 < Democritus> i wonder if they will let me
10:49 < Democritus> bet i am on a no-fly list 
10:49 < Democritus> well it wouldnt surprise me anyway
10:50 < Democritus> you want me goto MIT and tell them their opencourseware is dumb?
11:16 < fenn> opencourseware is about as bad as sitting through a bunch of university classes.. go figure
13:30 < Democritus> so who are you guys
13:31 < Democritus> or is the answer "oh sure, like we are going to tell you!"
13:31 < Democritus> :D
13:43 < fenn> hrm. transhumanism.se redirects to biopunk.org
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13:44 < fenn> Democritus: who are you?
13:45 < Democritus> good question
13:46 < Democritus> middle aged- sys admin - kid
13:46 < Democritus> meaning i am one- i also have one
13:46 < Democritus> :D
13:48 < fenn> very well.. if that's how you define yourself, then i'm 26, unemployed, old man
13:50 < Democritus> its not
13:50 < Democritus> i think you knew that already
13:50 < Democritus> sometimes the superficial stuff can tell a little anyway
13:53 < fenn> i ended up here because of my obsession with technological autonomy
13:53 < fenn> and i share the same value system apparently
13:55 < fenn> i wonder where it came from - certainly nobody i know in meatspace inoculated me
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13:57 < fenn> IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE
14:01 < kanzure> maybe I'm not cut out for lab work
14:01  * fenn is not surprised to hear that
14:01 < kanzure> when I get into a lab, I need to install a system: here's the diagram for the tube container thinger, here's the protocol for this and that, precisely, and here's where all of the supplies are, and here's a perhaps crappy map of what's going on
14:02 < fenn> dont worry son, in another four or five years you might have even published a paper
14:02 < kanzure> but evidently this isn't going to happen
14:02 < kanzure> not surprised?
14:02 < fenn> pretty sure that's how it always feels
14:03 < kanzure> but then how is it that the 'team mates' are able to get things done?
14:03 < kanzure> they don't even have it really written out anywhere
14:03 < kanzure> and even though I'm supposed to be running some of the gels, they just do it for me, which is great, except the PI notices that I'm not doing any work
14:03 < kanzure> so when he talked to me about it today I mentioned this
14:03 < kanzure> and it came out sounding like I blame them 
14:03 < kanzure> which isn't it at all
14:04  * kanzure groans and gets back to his opengl work
14:12 < kanzure> so when I was moving my mother came over to the house and started packing things away even without my permission or general guidance on whatever it is that needs to be placed where
14:12 < kanzure> subsequently I no longer have a cell phone charger and my father wants me to pay for it
14:13 < kanzure> seeing as how I was not the one to throw it away or in any other way loose it -- since I do in fact keep track of my stuff - I asked him to pay for it
14:13 < kanzure> seeing as how I am also very broke :)
14:13 < kanzure> he called me insane and hung up
14:13 < kanzure> :(
14:48 < fenn> mwaha "One obvious way to circumvent this problem is to send information encoded in small pieces of matter at high speed."
14:51 < kanzure> fenn: context?
14:51 < fenn> the physics of information processing superobjects
14:52 < kanzure> good ol' Anders
14:52 < fenn> talking about bandwidth limits imposed by gamma ray lasers splitting into other elementary particles
14:52 < fenn> this is the third time today i've randomly run across one of his pages
14:53 < kanzure> surely you knew of him before though, right?
14:53 < fenn> yeah
15:09 < kanzure> btw, in the lab meeting yesterday a person presented what we now call the 'wayneron' which is a self-optimizing ribosome
15:10 < kanzure> wonder where we've heard these ideas before
15:31 < Democritus> you at a university now kanzure?
15:31 < kanzure> Democritus: yes
15:31 < Democritus> or have you already been?
15:32 < Democritus> cool.  self-optimizing? excuse my lack of knowledge- can you quickly explain that?
15:32 < Democritus> or just gimme a url
15:35 < Democritus> i hate working in the business world.  
15:35 < kanzure> it's biological and thus evolvable
15:35 < kanzure> yes, I have been in the lab
15:35 < Democritus> today earlier in meeting, someone was saying that we could know where a particular piece of paper was or where it was going to be, etc.  but not at same time
15:36 < Democritus> so natural i say HUP
15:36 < Democritus> everyone looked at me like i was a marshmallow or something
15:36 < Democritus> those people have no sense of humor
15:40 < kanzure> fenn: I'm guessing you may have ran into the same issues I've been mentioning?
15:40 < kanzure> it's not so much issues as it is peculiarities I guess
15:41 < fenn> uh, small world networks?
15:42 < kanzure> ?
15:42 < kanzure> HUP?
15:42 < fenn> what peculiarities in particular?
15:43 < fenn> HUP == heisenberg uncertainty principle
15:43 < kanzure> that the systematic approach I'd prefer to take isn't exactly an available option
15:45 < Democritus> oh god man
15:45 < Democritus> the business world would make you kill yourself most likely
15:45 < Democritus> acadamia is protected a bit from the complete madness 
15:46 < Democritus> content does not matter, appearances do
15:46 < Democritus> etc and so forth
15:46 < Democritus> except they want their computer shit running- and it makes them mad they cant fuck with IT guys
15:47 < Democritus> you got to remember work is just another extension of a social system run by chimps
15:47 < Democritus> and an authoritarian one too- which is where the real fun comes in
15:48 < Democritus> of course i guess i dont help- when i get emails- i check the maillogs to see if someone tried bcc behind my back
15:48 < Democritus> so i tell em to stop it- "I know what you did"
15:53 < kanzure> That's not really the issue. I'd label it more as .. the separation and division of work. i.e., I don't see allocation tables, so I just sit and wait for stuff to do :-) especially since we don't have the overall charts and diagrams for the workflow patterns
15:53 < kanzure> fenn: don't these labs usually graph out their workflows for their routines ?
15:53 < kanzure> or shouldn't they?
15:54 < fenn> that's called a protocol and by the third time you've done it you should have it more or less memorized (check as you go along though)
15:55 < fenn> beyond that i dont really know what you're talking about
15:55 < kanzure> yeah, but what about the documentation on where stuff is or at what stage of everything stuff is at
15:55 < kanzure> really?
15:55 < kanzure> I guess I need API documentation on the protocols then
15:56 < fenn> "where stuff is" is definitely a problem (and easy to fix at that)
15:56 < fenn> but it does take slightly greater than minimum effort so it usually doesn't get documented
15:57 < kanzure> so what they seem to do is show me some interesting stuff every once in a while, and I try to write down as much as I can (usually completely, it's not too terrible), but a lot of this could be solved with a keyboard and a printer ... why I'm even copying it by hand is beyond me
15:57 < kanzure> (for some of the protocols etc.)
15:58 < kanzure> remember our discussions on 'fablab' inventory management?
15:58 < kanzure> or lab configuration?
15:59 < kanzure> this overhead could be eliminated with proper computational documentation of the inventory
16:00 < fenn> or any documentation at all
16:00 < fenn> but usually even that is too much to ask
16:00 < fenn> or something
16:05 < Democritus> haha
16:06 < Democritus> I remember going onsite to fix an emergency.  The IT guy there, was frantic- i forget what the issue was except it was an upgrade that went very bad
16:07 < Democritus> so i asked "Where is the Change Proposal for the upgrade"
16:07 < Democritus> which is a formalized system of documenting- issue, solution, proceedures, risks, back out plan, etc
16:07 < Democritus> none, so i ask for ANY documentation- he had NONE- not even a network topology map
16:07 < Democritus> "i'm gonna have to raise my rate i think"
16:11 < Democritus> my life may change after 5pm today (for the better - of course life always changes anyway- but still)
16:11 < Democritus> Venture Capitalist may dump a pile of money on me
16:11 < Democritus> 3rd meeting
16:13 < Democritus> but maybe not- not quitting my day job
16:13 < kanzure> there's a difference between documentation of what you're dong -- maybe like a shell log -- versus those pesky TPS reports
16:13 < Democritus> sounds nasty- and yes i hate writing reports 
16:14 < Democritus> documenting what i am going to do is for me- so i can see the full idea on paper
16:14 < fenn> Democritus: you really ought to watch "Office Space"
16:14 < Democritus> and find the weak spots
16:14 < Democritus> the movie or series?
16:14 < fenn> i think it may hold some key life lessons for you
16:14 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPS_reportti's 
16:14 < kanzure> fenn: like not working?
16:14 < Democritus> fenn i saw the movie
16:14 < Democritus> hell i could have written the movie
16:14 < Democritus> :D
16:14 < fenn> kanzure: not working and getting promoted for it :)
16:14 < Democritus> yeah
16:14 < Democritus> rather go fight club route
16:15 < Democritus> threaten to beat the snot out of my boss if he does not continue paying me- and telling him - i aint coming in anymore
16:15 < kanzure> since nobody is ever supposed to talk about fight club,
16:15 < kanzure> I know nothing about it
16:15 < Democritus> :D
16:15 < Democritus> that is what the VC money idea is for
16:15 < Democritus> but i guess i cant talk about it either
16:15 < Democritus> :<
16:15 < kanzure> I don't like money.
16:15 < Democritus> i despise it
16:16 < Democritus> kanzure: good- that means you have a soul
16:16 < Democritus> congrats
16:16 < kanzure> what's a soul?
16:16 < Democritus> heh
16:17 < Democritus> dont worry kanzure- my idea involves destroying at least one major financial system
16:17  * kanzure gets going on step 2
16:17 < kanzure> which is just a simple data format reader
16:17 < kanzure> need to load up an array
16:17  * kanzure goes to find the array
16:18 < Democritus> you still at the lab?
16:18 < kanzure> uh, no
16:18 < kanzure> array as in 
16:18 < Democritus> got it
16:18 < kanzure> right.
16:19 < Democritus> i have heard words like that used to mean physical equipment as well
16:19 < Democritus> especially when you said you had to go find it
16:19 < kanzure> sure, like a DNA array
16:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_microarray
16:19 < kanzure> or a physical array instead of just a linear array of bits layed out on a magnetic tape on your hdd
16:19 < fenn> disk drive array is probably what he was thinking no?
16:19 < kanzure> I was thinking he meant an array like a plate
16:19 < Democritus> probably-
16:19 < kanzure> since he mentioned the lab
16:19 < Democritus> hard to tell
16:19 < Democritus> that was a while back now- 
16:20 < kanzure> Democritus: speciifcally it's an array of labeled regions of the brain with respect to gene expression information
16:20 < kanzure> *specifically
16:20 < Democritus> oh cool
16:20 < Democritus> reading
16:21 < kanzure> no, the link isn't what I'm doing
16:21 < Democritus> link is still cool though
16:21 < kanzure> your IP address is funky
16:21 < kanzure> 12.152.65.50 ?
16:21 < kanzure> sounds like an older block?
16:21 < Democritus> t1
16:21 < Democritus> (s)
16:22 < Democritus> used to use tor just so people would stop sniffing- dont care much anymore though
16:22 < Democritus> i have a dishtv wifi system at home
16:22 < Democritus> :D
16:22 < Democritus> tri-feed- some idiot threw it away
16:23 < kanzure> btw, I run a monitor with tail -f pointed at the apache logs, so it's not you personally
16:23 < kanzure> it's every one
16:23 < Democritus> little drilling- mounted it on a pole indoors- swivels angles, up and down
16:23 < Democritus> understood
16:23 < Democritus> often have done same 
16:23 < Democritus> getting the usb right was tricky
16:23 < kanzure> ?
16:23 < Democritus> its a little under powered still
16:24 < Democritus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WokFi
16:24 < Democritus> basically that
16:24 < kanzure> USB-wired CRTs?
16:24 < Democritus> instead i used a DishTV satellite dish
16:24 < kanzure> uhh
16:24 < kanzure> a low cost wifi antenna
16:24 < kanzure> out of kitchenware
16:25 < Democritus> well mine is out of somebody elses trash
16:25 < Democritus> and i still have two feeds left!
16:25 < Democritus> not sure what i am going to do with them yet though
16:25 < kanzure> why isn't this in my bookmarks yet?
16:25 < Democritus> :D
16:26 < Democritus> WokFi gains are typically 12-15 dB, with range boosts thus 4-6 times over a bare USB adapter. 
16:26 < Democritus> I think i could get a mile or more with some luck.  i should probably boost the line
16:26 < Democritus> one of those usb hubs should do the trick
16:27 < fenn> world record is something like 700mi with a satellite dish between two mountains
16:28 < fenn> up 304km.. not quite
16:39 < Democritus> going to work on getting the car setup properly one day
16:40 < Democritus> for wifi i mean
16:40 < kanzure> does CTRL+S in xterm do anything in particular other than freeze the window?
16:40 < Democritus> you see a guy driving around with a wok on top of his car, wave and say hi please 
16:40 < Democritus> dont use xterm
16:40 < Democritus> i can try though
16:41 < fenn> #xterm flow control hack
16:41 < fenn> if ( tty -s ); then stty -ixon -ixoff ; fi
16:42 < kanzure> flow control?
16:42 < fenn> CTRL-Q un-freezes it btw
16:42 < kanzure> huh
16:42 < kanzure> thank you
16:42 < Democritus> haha
16:42 < kanzure> was this in a configuration file I should know about?
16:42 < fenn> uh, that was in my .bashrc
16:43 < Democritus> hmm
16:43 < Democritus> i always liked the standard gentoo bash setup
16:44 < Democritus> i usually just use that- although i gave up on gentoo
16:44 < kanzure> I don't like how the ABA brain ontology file has only ~200 entries for regions of the brain
16:44 < Democritus> *sigh*
16:44 < kanzure> it smells too small
16:45 < fenn> i also have this in my.Xresources (and you must mexrdb -merge it) each X session:
16:45 < fenn> i also have this in my.Xresources (and you must mexrdb -merge it) each X sessXTerm*metaSendsEscape: true
16:45 < fenn> XTerm*eightBitInput:   false
16:45 < fenn> XTerm*charClass: 33:48,36-47:48,58-59:48,61:48,63-64:48,95:48,126:48
16:46 < kanzure> I am having difficulties parsing the meaning of this
16:46 < fenn> eh i t came through a bit garbled
16:46 < kanzure> what's the metaSendEscape variable supposed to trigger?
16:47 < fenn> metaSendsEscape allows alt-number switching between channels in irssi
16:47 < fenn> otherwise you have to ctrl-click and pick it each time
16:47 < fenn> i forget why eightBitInput
16:47 < kanzure> ah, I've never tried irssi within xterm
16:47 < fenn> and the charClass thing allows you to double click on a url and hilight the whole thing
16:47 < kanzure> hurray
16:48 < fenn> it breaks up at # marks though, i need to fix that
16:48 < fenn> and parentheses
16:50 < Democritus> i used command line irc like 10yrs ago- I just dont get the point anymore on that
16:50 < fenn> you can run it in a screen session
16:50 < Democritus> yeah i know
16:50 < Democritus> but- come on- just use pidgin or something
16:50 < kanzure> you don't mean to say that you prefer GUI over CLI?
16:50 < Democritus> for chat- yes i do
16:50  * kanzure dies a little bit inside
16:51 < fenn> what's not to get? i can loaf about the house and use any computer i happen to be at to do all my stuff
16:51 < Democritus> nah- different problem- need a different tool
16:51 < Democritus> me too
16:51 < kanzure> you give computers commands 
16:51 < Democritus> that is what i am saying
16:51 < kanzure> this is what a CLI interface does
16:51 < kanzure> problem solved
16:51 < fenn> there really isn't much difference between irssi and a gui client
16:51 < kanzure> grr, redundancy
16:51 < Democritus> it is far too easy to have access to any machine through any other- i have gui machines- why not use them for web browsing/chat/email
16:51 < Democritus> i would never config an apache file or something with a gui tool
16:51 < Democritus> that is idiotic
16:52 < kanzure> the main reason that I am mostly opposed to GUIs as the be-all-end-all is mostly because of the incredibly obnoxious amount of clicking
16:52 < Democritus> hahaha
16:52 < kanzure> I know what I want to do, let me type it out :)
16:52 < Democritus> agreed
16:52 < kanzure> well, I _don't_ know
16:52 < fenn> obnoxious clicking aside, i never really got X forwarding working right
16:52 < Democritus> and on almost anything else i would be leading this preaching session
16:52 < kanzure> fenn: isn't that a xinerama dealy?
16:52 < fenn> no, it's a "pseudo server" called xmove
16:53 < Democritus> xinerama is more for dual monitors
16:53 < fenn> perhaps forwarding isnt the right term, as i can ssh -X fine
16:53 < Democritus> right?  have to look that back up- havent fucked with an xorg.conf file in a bit
16:53 < fenn> but the bandwidth is too high for my crappy wifi anyway
16:53 < fenn> which was the whole point
16:54 < kanzure> For some reason I'm writing a 3D visualization tool of the brain. 
16:54 < kanzure> I think it's mostly working except for some final pieces of the puzzle
16:54 < Democritus> who needs a reason to do such a thing?
16:54 < kanzure> before I go throw it all together or the finale,
16:54 < kanzure> *for the finale
16:54  * fenn is so going to bed
16:54 < kanzure> what might the interface be like?
16:54 < kanzure> I can do the 3D walking through a landscape thing
16:54 < kanzure> would that be suitable?
16:54 < Democritus> that is how i could tell who was cool and who wasnt- when i had the house/wife/garage- company i worked for gave me 200+ 300mhz machines
16:54 < kanzure> or maybe a GTK window with a list of the regions with clickability and instant transportation?
16:55 < Democritus> those who were cool would go in the garage and go "oh awesome" those who were not cool would say "why?"
16:55 < Democritus> i beowulfed most of them
16:55 < Democritus> had to run another line for power
16:56 < Democritus> that is also when i had a ton of SBC resources (single board computers- DIMM sized up to about 3inches or so)
16:58 < Democritus> it was a two story 40x40 "garage"
16:58 < Democritus> :D
16:58 < kanzure> ooh, what if I do a server thinglet
16:58 < Democritus> 40x30 sorry .  
16:58 < Democritus> 0_0
16:58 < kanzure> where I can send commands to the brainserv
16:58 < Democritus> thinglet?
16:58 < kanzure> and then the display would update
16:58 < kanzure> yeah, just make it a daemon
16:58 < kanzure> and then the interface and so on are totally optional
16:58 < Democritus> brainserv is what?
16:58 < kanzure> as long as you have a running viewport
16:58 < kanzure> the thing I'm writing apparently = brainserv
16:58 < Democritus> thought so
16:59 < Democritus> just clarifying
16:59 < Democritus> clear to you- not necessarily to me/others
16:59 < kanzure> well, I said server
16:59 < Democritus> i have same problem so no worries
16:59 < kanzure> and serv is an adequate abbreviation methinks
16:59 < Democritus> lolz
16:59 < kanzure> brainsrv
16:59 < kanzure> better?
16:59 < Democritus> much
17:00 < Democritus> re-reading idea
17:00 < Democritus> yes it should be a daemon
17:00 < Democritus> multiple clients 
17:02 < Democritus> ah which is where the array data comes in-
17:02 < Democritus> gotcha-
17:02 < Democritus> (you had mentioned that earlier)
17:02 < kanzure> heh
17:02 < Democritus> would you be able to model specific brains?
17:03 < kanzure> this is just a visualization tool
17:03 < Democritus> yeah
17:03 < kanzure> but since we have a list of the genes for the brain
17:03 < kanzure> I don't see why not.
17:03 < Democritus> i just figured one existed
17:03 < kanzure> there is
17:03 < kanzure> it's not open source
17:03 < Democritus> -_-
17:03 < kanzure> but the data is :)
17:03  * kanzure grins
17:03 < Democritus> :D
17:04 < Democritus> i have to go deal with a whole lot of fucked up programs
17:04 < Democritus> meaning i have to drive home
17:05 < kanzure> 'k
17:05 < Democritus> a) the car system in the first place b) the actual infrastructure is fucked up and wrong c) other drivers have their own programming and objectives- and apparently one of those is pissing me off
17:05 < Democritus> d) etc
17:06 < kanzure> yeah
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17:07 < kanzure> shit, I don't want a server model
17:07 < kanzure> that's a ton of data
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18:54 < ybit> kanzure: what'd you use to get the brain explorer running on your comp., wine?
18:55 < ybit> wine runs fold.it perfectly fine on my comp., but for the brain explorer doesn't work well with it
18:55 < kanzure> ah, did you get the same results as I did?
18:55 < ybit> what's that?
18:55 < ybit> i have screenshot if you want to look
18:55 < ybit> one sec..
18:56 < ybit> http://bayimg.com/eajMIaaBO
18:56 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-10_wine_brainbow_fail.png
18:56 < ybit> and if i was lucky... http://bayimg.com/EAJMhAAbo
18:56 < ybit> yeah, i saw that... you have something there
18:56 < kanzure> ybit: set wine in virtual desktop mode
18:56 < kanzure> run winecfg
18:56 < kanzure> then run it and you'll get the results that I had, methinks
18:56 < kanzure> I posted to wine-users but nobody replied
18:56 < kanzure> also debian-user
18:57 < kanzure> http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=1669&sid=d5e48c75e57b832d305834e5dec84892
18:57 < Andares> kanzure, 2 monitors eh?
18:57 < kanzure> Andares: Technically I'm up to six right now.
18:58 < kanzure> I don't have enough video cards driving all of them though.
18:58 < Andares> 6?!
18:58 < Andares> how do you afford all that
18:58 < kanzure> that's a very good question
18:58 < kanzure> considering how I'm broke
18:58  * Andares watches kanzure hide the drugs.
18:58 < kanzure> I mean, I was broke before I had them
18:58 < kanzure> and I'm broke after
18:58 < kanzure> so :)
18:58 < ybit> not quite
18:58 < kanzure> it was mostly dumpster diving
18:58 < Andares> Crowbar? :p
18:58 < Andares> h
18:58 < Andares> they're CRTs then?
18:58 < kanzure> and getting stuff from local friends
18:58 < kanzure> yeah
18:58 < kanzure> http://freecycle.org/
18:59 < Andares> CRTs give me terrible headaches.
18:59 < Andares> Especially when you spend over 12 hours straight on them.
18:59 < ybit> right, no one in #winehq is being helpful
18:59 < ybit> and i had problems getting the pirated windows to work right on vbox
18:59 < Andares> PIRATE! Avast,
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18:59 < Andares> ye matey.
19:00 < Democritus> ahoi
19:00 < ybit> oi Democritus
19:00 < ybit> Andares: arrr
19:00 < ybit> ;)
19:00 < ybit> or is it arrrgg
19:00 < ybit> dunno
19:00 < kanzure> ybit: no one helped me in #winehq either
19:00 < kanzure> so I'm writing it myself
19:00 < Democritus> those dirty bastards
19:00 < ybit> so how are you proceeding with your project?
19:01 < ybit> oh, how so?
19:01 < kanzure> but right now I'm kind of wondering about the memory management scheme
19:01 < kanzure> I have it mostly completed
19:01 < kanzure> all of the data is in front of me
19:01 < Andares> memory management?
19:01 < kanzure> the 3D visualization aspect is, uh, working
19:01 < Andares> for what?
19:01 < kanzure> I just need to load up the gene expression information specifically
19:01 < kanzure> but you don't want to load it up all at once
19:01 < kanzure> since that's far too much information
19:01 < Andares> kanzure, what're you doing? :p
19:01 < kanzure> and it's piss poor programming
19:01 < kanzure> Andares: http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html
19:01 < kanzure> Brain visualization software.
19:01 < Andares> Cool.
19:02 < Andares> Although, I'm more of a cellular/molecular guy myself.
19:02 < kanzure> since ABA released 'Brain Explorer', and since the KDE guys named 'Konqueror' after 'Explorer', I'm calling this Brain Conqueror.
19:02 < Andares> What are you coding it in?
19:02 < kanzure> hehe
19:02 < kanzure> perl :)
19:02 < Andares> sdl? :p
19:02 < kanzure> Nah.
19:02 < kanzure> wait
19:02 < Andares> or something like glx for the visualization
19:03 < kanzure> yes, the current version is OpenGL + SDL + perl
19:03 < kanzure> I had a few versions with just POGL or OpenGL::Simple::Viewer
19:03 < Andares> Where are you pulling the structure info from?
19:03 < kanzure> now I'm working on threading it
19:03 < kanzure> http://brain-map.org/
19:04 < Andares> kanzure, is there any good software for calculating Ki's of ligands on folded proteins?
19:04 < Andares> I was thinking of writing some if it doesn't already exist in the public.
19:04 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_biology
19:04 < kanzure> Andares: I would also recommend using my ADR file instead of that link, so that you can see the titles of the links.
19:04 < Democritus> the allen institute stuff is not open source?
19:04 < Andares> Allen institute?
19:04 < kanzure> Democritus: the software isn't
19:04 < kanzure> Andares: http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/
19:04 < Democritus> that is bullshit
19:05 < Andares> Gotta love those 501C3's that don't release open-source.
19:05 < Andares> >_>
19:05 < Andares> And other 501C3s like College Board that price gouge. >:(
19:05 < Democritus> jfc
19:05 < ybit> but the info is in xml
19:06 < kanzure> ybit: so?
19:06 < Andares> Still don't know my AP grades because I refuse to give them $8 to hear them over the phone.
19:06 < kanzure> Andares: I haven't received my grades yet either.
19:06 < ybit> kanzure: was just saying that not all of their information is proprietary
19:06 < kanzure> yeah
19:06 < Andares> holy..
19:06 < Andares> als;dkjasl;djsal;das
19:06 < Andares> kanzure, thank you for that link.
19:07 < Democritus> now kanzure no more links for 5 mins
19:07 < Democritus> still trying to go through the one two-three links ago
19:07 < kanzure> hah
19:07 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/chats/open-rtms-2008-07-11.txt
19:07 < Democritus> kanzure i know a guy who did alot of google maps api stuff
19:08 < kanzure> Meh.
19:08 < kanzure> :)
19:08 < Democritus> not the guys who made it- i mean utilizing it
19:08 < kanzure> It's pretty easy.
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19:08 < kanzure> The Goat!
19:08 < kanzure> I was just linking over to http://heybryan.org/chats/open-rtms-2008-07-11.txt which might be of interested to a goat
19:08 < kanzure> *of interest
19:09 < Andares> kanzure, does that site provide the coding for the genes and the model of the folded protein?
19:09 < kanzure> Andares: Yes.
19:09 < Andares> Where? :(
19:09 < kanzure> It provides Entrez ID numbers.
19:09 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html should mention something like that
19:10 < PanGoat> kanzure: reading now
19:10 < PanGoat> lol "Hrpuffnstuf"
19:10 < Democritus> damn
19:10 < Andares> kanzure, why do they call it HTR* instead of 5HT*?
19:11 < kanzure> Who's they?
19:11 < Andares> the Allen Institute people.
19:11 < Andares> Also this isn't giving me the AGCT stuff. >:(
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19:13 < Democritus> not sure you had to leave in teh social philosophy part kanzure
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19:17 < kanzure_> Uh. I was kicked off. 
19:17 < kanzure_> Wireless network looks dead.
19:17 < kanzure_> You guys alive?
19:18 < PanGoat> no
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19:22 < Hrpuffnstuf> i think i was wrong
19:24 < kanzure_> hmm
19:24 < kanzure_> ii am going to CA
19:24 < Hrpuffnstuf> cool
19:24 < Hrpuffnstuf> the programs were slightly different there
19:25 < Hrpuffnstuf> was interesting to compare differences to east coast mega-city
19:25 < Hrpuffnstuf> kanzure did you stay in #science on dalnet?
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19:26 < Andares> kanzure, CA?
19:31 < kanzure_> quick, somebody tell me how to improvise a cell phone charger
19:31 < Hrpuffnstuf> kanzure
19:31 < Hrpuffnstuf> was just talking to biowiz
19:31 < Hrpuffnstuf> :D
19:32 < Hrpuffnstuf> got a mini-usb cable?
19:32 < Hrpuffnstuf> of course not
19:32 < kanzure_> yes
19:32 < kanzure_> I do.
19:32 < Hrpuffnstuf> you had taht you could just plug into computer and wouldnt have asked
19:32 < kanzure_> but it's the square interface
19:32 < Hrpuffnstuf> oh wrong one
19:32 < kanzure_> Anyway, I found the charger.
19:33 < Hrpuffnstuf> yipee
19:33 < kanzure_> Hrpuffnstuf: yes, I was in #science
19:33 < kanzure_> Okay, so the singinst guys want a javascript graphing app
19:33 < kanzure_> quick, to Google!
19:33 < kanzure_> once dhclient starts working on the laptop
19:33 < kanzure_> it was rather bizarre how 
19:33 < kanzure_> as soon as the laptop's connection went down,
19:33 < kanzure_> singinst called me
19:34 < kanzure_> I thought it was the ISP scolding me for using two accounts
19:34 < Hrpuffnstuf> what is sing inst again?
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19:34 < kanzure_> http://singinst.org/
19:35 < Hrpuffnstuf> hmm
19:35 < Hrpuffnstuf> crap or not?
19:35 < kanzure_> oh, mostly crap
19:35 < kanzure_> but they have funding
19:35 < Hrpuffnstuf> of course
19:35 < Hrpuffnstuf> wonder from where
19:35 < kanzure_> same guy who funded Facebook
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19:36 < Hrpuffnstuf> oh yeah we discussed that
19:36 < Hrpuffnstuf> since teh "same guy that funded facebook" was a letter agency
19:36 < Hrpuffnstuf> :D
19:36 < kanzure_> ?
19:37 < Hrpuffnstuf> as in cia/fbi/etc
19:37 < kanzure_> now, what's log normal?
19:37 < Hrpuffnstuf> out for a bit
19:39 < kanzure_> guess they just want an AJAX front end to octave
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20:22 < kanzure> Hi all.
20:22 < kanzure> Where'd all you people come from?
20:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/gnuplot/gnuplot.html
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20:41 < kanzure> fenn: http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo
20:41 < kanzure> that's for graphviz
20:41 < kanzure> might be relevant re: exp.html and skdb
20:42 < kanzure> https://mailman.research.att.com/pipermail/graphviz-interest/2007q3/004722.html
20:44 < kanzure> http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/
20:44 < kanzure> ah, it's Perl's Graph::Easy
20:46 < Seldon_Plan> cool- busy writing up a planning doc
20:46 < Seldon_Plan> going to code that site
20:46 < kanzure> ?
20:46 < kanzure> what site?
20:47 < Seldon_Plan> oh- i have a big idea
20:47 < Seldon_Plan> :D
20:47 < Seldon_Plan> Venture Capitalist went ok- but basicaly- they want a demo
20:47 < Seldon_Plan> this is not an ends- just a means to fund people like you and me so you can be funded to do what you want
20:47 < Seldon_Plan> honest injun
20:48 < Seldon_Plan> i figure you give smart people enough resources and just let them create- traditional world profits will follow
20:48 < Seldon_Plan> that is the idea anyway
20:48 < Seldon_Plan> so i have to code this site
20:48 < Seldon_Plan> the document is going well anyway :D
20:48 < Seldon_Plan> gotta start with a foundation though
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20:49 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/openpay/widget.php?projectID=1
20:49 < kanzure> view that
20:49 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/openpay/widget.php?projectID=1
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21:55 < ybit> haha, yeah, that's one of my favorite scenes in life of brian
21:57 < kanzur1> it's symbolic of his struggle with reality :-)
21:58 < ybit> hehe
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23:48 < Andares> Hey kanzur1, do you have access to publications?
23:49 < kanzure_> Yes.
23:53 < kanzure_> ping?
23:54 < kanzur1> Yes.
23:58 < Andares> Cool.
23:58 < Andares> wait
23:58 < Andares> which is who. :x
23:58 < Andares> Anyway.
23:59 < Andares> kanzur1, are there any cool articles on that network about the pharmacology of hydergine? :p