--- Day changed Thu Jul 17 2008 00:02 < kanzure_> You'll have to give me a while. The WAN is acting up since it's a dorm and it's 11 at night. 00:02 * kanzure_ has a monitor on his server for log viewing that he's typing from. 00:03 < Andares> heh 00:03 < Andares> why are you in a dorm? 00:07 < kanzure_> I was kicked out of the house. 00:07 < Andares> That sucks. 00:07 < Andares> I'd ask why, but that'd be nosy. :p 00:07 < Andares> How'd you get into the dorm though? 00:07 < Andares> I thought you usually couldn't. 00:10 < kanzure_> Meh. I was kicked out because of my ... pecularities -- such as being somewhat of a packrat, and really, really not wanting the trumpet to be played in the house (not a lot of insulation, so you can hear the thing down the block, -- how can you get work done with that?) etc. 00:11 < kanzure_> General incompatability with parental units. :-) 00:11 < Andares> hehe 00:12 < Seldon_Plan> lot of that goes around 00:12 < Seldon_Plan> cause you are just given to whoever gave birth to you! 00:12 < Seldon_Plan> how barbaric 00:13 < kanzure_> It got to the point where I started standing up for myself. Refusing to mow the lawn. 00:14 < kanzure_> I explained to them how it is completely feasible to build a robot to mow the lawn, without a lot of effort, dumping on them the schematics, links and documentation on how it's all supposed to work, 00:14 < Seldon_Plan> should be done by a laser guided robot with programable circuit boards of course 00:14 < Seldon_Plan> anyway 00:14 < kanzure_> [and this general pattern for many things], and they called me insane. 00:14 < Seldon_Plan> kanzure_ can i get a last word with you in the other channel? 00:14 < kanzure_> Sure. 00:19 < Andares> kanzure_, you should have built the robot for them. 00:19 < Andares> Then you wouldn't have had to mow. 00:19 < kanzure_> Andares: Broke, remember? 00:19 < Andares> Hrm. 00:19 < Andares> True. 00:19 < Andares> See, I tend to generally follow what my dad tells me to do. 00:19 < Andares> Even though I kind of hate him. 00:19 < kanzure_> It's not a matter of hating them. 00:19 < Andares> Seldon_Plan, Foundation ^_^ 00:19 < Andares> I love my mom though. :( I get separation anxiety from her. 00:19 < kanzure_> It's a matter of being in pain doing something that I know I can build machines to do. 00:21 < Andares> eh, I just give up. 00:21 < Andares> Say "Yes" and "No I won't." 00:21 < Andares> Then do things behind their back like 2C-I. :D 00:22 < Seldon_Plan> heh 00:22 < Andares> Seldon_Plan, interesting series I think. 00:24 < Seldon_Plan> yeah 00:24 < Seldon_Plan> more then interesting 00:25 < Seldon_Plan> he was laying a framework for a larger scope of ideas 00:25 < Seldon_Plan> about evolution itself 00:25 < Seldon_Plan> dont care if it reads as fiction 00:25 < Seldon_Plan> that man was MOTIVATED - you ever seen the fully body of his work? 00:27 < kanzure_> He typed 8 hours per day nonstop. 00:27 < Andares> I haven't seen all of it. 00:27 < Andares> But it's amazing to me that everything was on a SINGLE timeline. 00:27 < Andares> Foundation and I, Robot, even that Lucky Starr series are all in the same universe I think. 00:27 < Seldon_Plan> ever venture to his pure nonfiction stuff 00:27 < Depucelato1> There are lawn-mowing robots, they're like $1500 00:27 < Seldon_Plan> my most prized book is Asimov's guide to the bible 00:28 < Andares> huh 00:31 < Splicer> It was a long time since I read those... what was the larger scope of ideas on evolution? 00:34 < Splicer> Something about the computer being able to predict even unlikely evolutionery events? 00:34 -!- Depucelato1 [n=Depucela@c-71-195-30-110.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:34 < kanzure_> Depucelato1: It should be significantly cheaper. 00:34 < kanzure_> Bah. 00:59 < Seldon_Plan> kanzure_ last words over in other chan- 00:59 < Seldon_Plan> nite 00:59 < Seldon_Plan> splicer ask me a different day 00:59 < Seldon_Plan> i can explain it in full- and the advancements i have made on the theories 01:00 -!- Seldon_Plan [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:00 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:43 -!- Biopunk [i=smurf@h13n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:55 -!- Splicer [n=p@h197n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:43 -!- Biopunk [i=smurf@h13n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:36 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:15 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9D546.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:03 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:43 -!- nsh [n=nsh@eduroam-80.uta.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has quit ["Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 08:38 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 09:18 -!- Jacco [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- Andares [n=Im@unaffiliated/jacco] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:06 -!- Democritus [n=bee@12.152.56.50] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:28 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:40 -!- Andares [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:45 -!- Andares [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:45 -!- Jacco_ [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- Jacco [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:47 -!- Democritus [n=bee@12.152.56.50] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving."] 11:52 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:02 -!- nsh [n=nsh@d85-194-245-82.cust.wlannet.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:04 -!- Andares [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:16 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:17 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:19 -!- Jacco_ [n=Im@adsl-074-166-085-040.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:41 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:48 -!- PanGoat [n=pan@ovid.sensoryresearch.net] has quit ["The computer fell asleep"] 12:59 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:21 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:24 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:36 -!- nsh- [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Success] 14:28 < kanzur1> Hey. 14:28 -!- kanzur1 is now known as kanzure 14:59 < nsh> sup kanz 14:59 < kanzure_> stuff 15:00 * nsh is listening to Paul Laffoley lecture beautiful kookistry over finnish psytrance 15:00 < nsh> what's on your radar? 15:00 < nsh> ( http://www.altertube.tv/view_video.php?viewkey=1b7d5eabf33396c2683a ) + ( http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=72974642 ) 15:02 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:02 -!- Democritus [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:06 < kanzure_> Food. 16:39 -!- Splicer [n=p@h73n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:03 -!- nsh is now known as [PLACEHOLDER] 17:41 -!- Depucelator [n=Depucela@c-71-195-30-110.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:01 * kanzure yawns and gets back to work. 18:01 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.211.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46 < kanzure> It works. 18:46 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-17_brainshot.png 18:46 < kanzure> Sort of. The number in the lower left hand corner is the fps count. 19:11 < jm> what's this? 19:25 < jm> ah i see. didn't read the log. sounds interesting. 20:09 < kanzure> http://www.constructal.org/ 20:22 -!- Hrpuffnstuf [n=ard@c-68-49-79-239.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39 -!- Democritus [n=ard@68.49.79.239] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:59 < kanzure_> This is fairly consistent. 20:59 < kanzure_> Wireless goes down around eight each night. 21:00 < Depucelator> maybe the cleaning lady is unplugging something at your ISP every night 21:18 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@66.112.232.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:19 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@66.112.232.35] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:35 -!- [PLACEHOLDER] [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:41 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@66.112.232.35] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:30 -!- Depucelator [n=Depucela@c-71-195-30-110.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:37 < ybit> "Essentially these guys actually know what they are doing -- they built a Google Maps AJAX interface to their neuroscience information that they had been automatically collecting. The demo is offline now" 22:37 < ybit> kanzure_: did you see this http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/#Kcnip3@2850,Kcnd1@2800 22:37 < kanzure_> is that the map and does it work 22:38 < kanzure_> shit 22:38 < ybit> it's working for me 22:38 < kanzure_> :) 22:38 < kanzure_> How'd you find it? 22:38 < ybit> linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo 22:42 < kanzure_> Thank you. 22:48 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:48 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:50 < ybit> you're most welcome 22:52 < ybit> btw, the applications featured at simile.mit.edu are intriguing 22:53 < kanzure_> which ones ? 22:57 < ybit> i like longwell, rdfizers, solvent, and piggy bank 22:58 < ybit> the way they are all mixed together i suppose is what i find fascinating 22:58 < kanzure_> eh? 22:58 < kanzure_> I looked at them, doesn't look like much 22:58 < ybit> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/Longwell_Demos 22:59 < ybit> okay, this might be my sleep-deprived, delusional self speaking then 23:00 < kanzure_> Heh, you know what this stuff is, right? 23:00 < ybit> yep 23:00 < kanzure_> It's basically some fancy way of dealing with metadata from these different repositories. Plus or minus the Longwell banking folders. 23:00 < ybit> do i have to give explanations? :P 23:00 < kanzure_> maybe I'm missing something. 23:00 < kanzure_> yes 23:00 < kanzure_> :) 23:00 < ybit> hehe 23:00 < ybit> you just explained it 23:00 < ybit> it would have taken me, oh, a few more sentences 23:02 < ybit> speaking of metadata, i need a smart filter which recognizes only interesting news :) 23:02 < ybit> reading through hundreds of feeds per day takes up too much time 23:03 < ybit> so how does this help you at all? 23:03 < kanzure_> Hm? 23:04 < kanzure_> how does what ? 23:04 < kanzure_> the feed reading? 23:04 < kanzure_> think of it as a constant reminder to how much the human task of reading sucks. 23:05 < ybit> no no, the google maps/allen institute/sparql mashup 23:06 < kanzure_> http://23andme.com/ is the second layer of data 23:06 < kanzure_> and, uh, just imagine that the mashup includes the other Google Map feature of shared "personalized maps" or whatever - where users tag stuff, and then that's shareable and such 23:08 < ybit> so you plan on whomever gets their genome read, to share the information? 23:08 < kanzure_> wait, what? 23:08 < kanzure_> if you don't want to you certainly don't have to 23:08 < ybit> i dunno, i was hoping you could tell me 23:08 < ybit> me brain is working slow tonight 23:08 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html 23:09 < kanzure_> So. The idea was that since you have these SNP details from the users and then a map of the brain to some extent based off of gene expression, you suddenly have mutation information about the brain. 23:10 < kanzure_> You suddenly can correlate different pieces of information -- like user behavior to genetic anomalies, and this is supposedly what the tagging would be used for. To associate BibTeX and other forms of data. 23:10 < ybit> ah 23:11 < ybit> thanks for the explanation, that clarified a few things for me 23:11 < kanzure_> And, simultaneously, the 3D brain explorer^W^W^W^W^W^Wconqueror can be correlated not only to the dbSNP data, but also perhaps realtime fMRI, C/T scans, PET, ... 23:11 < ybit> and i swear if you ask me tomorrow, it will still be fresh on my mind :) 23:12 < ybit> hmm 23:12 < kanzure_> think of it as a computational scaffold for the exploration of the brain via neurofeedback mechanisms -- some of this thanks to the gene sequencing from SNP datasets and some thanks to the brain mapping projects. 23:13 < ybit> this would help several fields of neuroscience 23:13 < kanzure_> they are already ahead 23:13 < kanzure_> for instance, Markram's stuff 23:14 < ybit> i wonder if they have such a map 23:14 * kanzure_ isn't too happy about 3D mapping of gene expression data and would prefer to mimic Markram's "Blue Builder" app 23:14 < kanzure_> ah, well, they might not have that map exactly, but 23:14 < kanzure_> but they already have explored the pertinent information for the parts of the brain that we care about 23:16 < kanzure_> there's no guarantee of any added functionality coming out of this really 23:17 < ybit> i'm not finding a page mentioning "blue builder" software, are you referring the collection of resources they are using to simulate the brain? 23:17 < kanzure_> nope, 23:18 < kanzure_> before they simulate they 'grow' the brain in a simulator module of sorts 23:18 < kanzure_> this is the initialization/instantiation app 23:18 < kanzure_> where they have the neurons generated per various algorithms they've wrestled from tissue cultures over the past decade or some such 23:29 < kanzure_> uhm 23:29 < kanzure_> and besides, something like that should be mentioned on http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Henry_Markram_imitation_project 23:29 < kanzure_> in my notes somewhere. 23:43 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9D546.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:57 < kanzure_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_tanks 23:57 < kanzure_> uh .. since when are these for policy making ?