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00:35 < Splicer> they usually are
00:38 < procto> folks I have seen the future
00:38 < procto> spent tonight at the fablab in boston
00:38 < procto> lasering shit
00:39 < procto> laser cutters.... i want one in every room of my house
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01:29 < kanzure_> procto: fablab flunked in Austin.
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03:36 < kanzure_> What controls the irssi blinkenthinger blink rate? It looks abnormally high.
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03:53 < fenn> http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/chinamil_07_09/chinamil8.jpg
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05:07 < procto_> kanzure_: flunked?
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11:01 < kanzure_> Hey Jacco.
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12:46 < kanzure> fenn: did you see the javascript-based interface to graphviz and dia?
12:46 < kanzure> it looked like an interactive graphing utility that could be used for suckering people into making up models for skdb
12:46 < kanzure> especially if we just tie it in to generating some .skdb files or some such
12:47 < kanzure> I wonder if there's a dia <=> yaml conversion utility
12:47 < kanzure> ah, we can just have a dia variable in the metadata for relationships perhaps
12:50 < fenn> generating graphviz commands is fairly easy i think
12:50 < kanzure> h2i: Would you want to play around with the moupsemap thing?
12:50 < kanzure> probably
12:50 < kanzure> I remember the dia syntax being simple enough
12:50 < kanzure> something like, quite literally "thinger1 => thinger2" showing directionality
12:51 < fenn> i think you are thinking of something else, not dia?
12:51 < kanzure> oh, maybe?
12:51 < fenn> graphviz syntax is fairly simple (for simple diagrams)
12:52 < fenn> dia seems to use some binary format
12:53 < kanzure> oops
12:53 < kanzure> bad memory then
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13:01 < Andares> Hey kanzure.
13:02 < kanzure> Hi Andares.
13:02 < Andares> Passaged some hNPs today. ;)
13:02 < Andares> It was only 1:1 but still fun.
13:02 < Andares> Hope they didn't get infected though..
13:05 < kanzure> huh, the SVG + js options look pretty easy http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-svgint/#Scripting (I'm just guessing on the anchor name)
13:06 < Andares> js = javascript?
13:06 < kanzure> yes, sorry
13:06 < kanzure> I usually just spell it out since it's retarded
13:06 < Andares> heh
13:06 < kanzure> but the extension name is .js so :)
13:06 < Andares> I dislike js
13:06 < Andares> with a passion.
13:06 < kanzure> Me too. I don't know why I'm doing this.
13:11 < Andares> The same kind of feeling when you wake up in the morning in a random bed with stuff written in permanent ink on your forehead :p
13:11 < Andares> And alcohol and strange pills strewn about.
13:13 < Democritus> hmm clothing optional party - think i will pass on this one
13:13 < Democritus> goto a naked party or stay home and code
13:18 < kanzure_> What are you talking about?
13:18 < Andares> Code, of course.
13:18 < Andares> kanzure_, I was describing the feeling of the morning-after of js programming :p
13:18 < kanzure_> Ah, well this is the morning of :-)
13:19 < Democritus> http://www.loadoffun.net/EroRules.html
13:19 < Andares> afk
13:19 < Democritus> oh i got invited to goto that
13:19 < Democritus> gotta love "clothing optional 2nd and 3rd floor"
13:20 < Andares> Democritus, dammnn go to it. :D I would get over my anxiety probably though beforehand
13:20 < Andares> afk.
13:20 < Democritus> i dont have any
13:20 < Democritus> been to boatloads of em
13:24 < fenn> "No Genital Sex" <- what exactly is that supposed to mean?
13:24 < Democritus> oh
13:24 < Democritus> that is standard
13:24 < Democritus> i used to goto a every weekend BDSM club- same thing
13:24 < Democritus> full nudity- you are allowed everything but that
13:25 < Democritus> that keeps the clubs from getting shut down
13:26 < Democritus> they tend to seriously bend the local obscene laws- but full genital sex ALWAYS breaks whatever city code that is applicable
13:26 < fenn> so, um, lessee would a 'rimjob' be permitted?
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13:28 < Democritus> that was always a point of contention
13:28 < kanzure> var f6=function(x){return ( (1/(1.3*Math.sqrt(2*Math.pi))) * Math.pow( -((Math.log(x)-Math.log(0.05))/1.3)/2,2) ); };
13:28 < kanzure> Why would this not plot in javascript?
13:29 < kanzure> the main issue is the return variable, not the rimjob
13:29 < kanzure> erm, I mean, not the variable basis
13:29 < kanzure> assignment.
13:29 < Democritus> ha - sorry kanzure
13:29 < kanzure> sorry for what?
13:29 < Democritus> (diverting from real discussion)
13:29 < fenn> d^-^b
13:29 < kanzure> most of what goes on in here is a diversion
13:29 < Democritus> kk
13:29 < kanzure> a good excuse for me to not be doing work etc.
13:30 < kanzure> 'good' being relative
13:30 < Democritus> :D
13:30 < Democritus> hey did you happen to read the log from after you left last night?
13:30 < kanzure> yes
13:30 < Democritus> i was writing descriptions of how i interpretted your idea- was just curious if it is getting closer to a match
13:37 < kanzure> can any of you read german code?
13:37 < kanzure> http://svglbc.datenverdrahten.de/?code=funktion_integrieren&znr=on where are the vertical axis limits specified?
13:37 < kanzure> well, Dutch
13:38 < Democritus> for the comments?
13:38 < kanzure> hm
13:38 < kanzure> not quite, just the variables in general
13:38 < kanzure> nsh: want to give it a try?
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13:41 < ybit> moupsemap?
13:41 < kanzure_> the
tag on the page said Google Moupse
13:42 < ybit> ah
13:42 < fenn> where is the actual app so we can see wtf you're talking about?
13:42 < kanzure> http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/
13:42 < kanzure> ybit found it :)
13:42 < kanzure> uh, that's probably a bad link
13:42 < ybit> it is :)
13:43 < kanzure> you'll have to check the logs
13:43 < kanzure> I'm missing those logs due to the porno'clock crazies
13:43 < ybit> http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/#Kcnip3@2850,Kcnd1@2800
13:43 < kanzure> thanks
13:44 < ybit> linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo
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13:45 < ybit> what did you have have in mind by "play with it"?
13:47 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/google_maps.txt
13:47 < kanzure> maybe something involving the Google Maps API plugins stuffs
13:53 < ybit> Yeah, I'll try to conjure something this afternoon when there's time
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13:59 < kanzure> woot
13:59 < kanzure> motherboard arrives tonight
13:59 < kanzure> where the hell are my video cards?
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14:15 < kanzure> looks like the diybio group has sold out
14:16 < kanzure> mac's advertizing 'professional' social networking websites (that ignore professional web standards like FOAF and OpenID .. geeze, how professional) and Carolina for 'diy kits'
14:16 < kanzure> how is buying stuff from Carolina supposed to be 'diy'
14:17 < kanzure> although I admit that it is nice that they allow credit card transactions from noninstitutions, of course
14:37 < fenn> ffs stumbled over anders sandberg again
14:44 < kanzure> woah
14:44 < kanzure> I just called Tom Knight out on bullshitting
14:45 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Knight
14:45 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e
14:49 < fenn> heh buybio
14:51 < kanzure> sounds like a prostitution service
14:52 < fenn> i wonder if tom knight knows about this thing called linux
14:53 < fenn> seriously though, if you need to buy a kit to do DNA extraction, well, that's worse than buying an arduino because you can't solder a circuit board
14:54 < kanzure> what?
14:54 < kanzure> that just blew up my mind
14:54 < kanzure> the analogy is starting to make sense
14:54 < fenn> its about the same level of difficulty
14:54 < fenn> put some cells in a mixture of phenol and .. ether? i forget exactly
14:55 < kanzure> something like "GET TOMATO. ADD SOAP. ADD BLEACH. STIR. BLEND. EXTRACT, YOU JERK."
14:55 < kanzure> sorry for caps
14:55 < fenn> chloroform, not ether
14:55 < fenn> wp to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_extraction
14:55 < kanzure> argh
14:55 < kanzure> these guys are jackasses
14:56 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/ffd7fd5339985faa?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_2a3a2ea3a030a41b
14:56 < kanzure> "I agree.
14:56 < kanzure> In that vein, Intel got under my skin for the last time last week, too. So I rolled my own fab, complete with pvd, cvd and lithography machines culled from old banana skinning machines and used a low power chip design Andy Grove whispered to me.
14:56 < kanzure> I'll have the specs up on the wiki soon. No stopping humans now."
14:57 < nsh> this should prove entertaining
14:58 < fenn> wtf are they trying to do?
14:58 < kanzure> my response - '
14:58 < kanzure> Comparing DNA extraction and running gels to running a microprocessor fabricator is retarded. But if you really want to be a jerk and argue the microprocessor side of things, let's go talk about how the industry started and how these guys were buying camera lenses down the street and shinning down on giant boards of wax to etch out giant circuits.'
14:58 < kanzure> gel extractions
14:58 < kanzure> not microproc fabricators
14:58 < kanzure> hell, this analogy *sucks*
14:58 < nsh> no, google, you *don't* need to know a little more about me before starting google groups
14:58 < nsh> ffs
14:59 < kanzure> heh
14:59 < nsh> heh, i log out, and suddenly it's not a twat anymore
15:00 < nsh> moral: don't be logged into a google account unecessarily
15:00 < kanzure> "Your body is producing DNA all the time, what do you think that shit flying out your whacker is made of? Damn it, folks, this isn't magic."
15:01 < nsh> do you know what also annoys me
15:01 < kanzure> hm?
15:02 < nsh> people who post that "you're setting up a false dichotomy between two extremes, when really most people compromise somewhere in the middle" bollock all the time
15:02 < nsh> yes, we are all aware of this.
15:03 * nsh swears some people think they are the only person to have realised that there are shades of grey and are on an evangelical mission to spread their divine revelation
15:03 < fenn> nsh: btw did i mention my divine revelation?
15:03 * nsh smiles
15:04 < fenn> the TRUTH is that there are no shades of grey!
15:04 < fenn> it's turtles all the way down my dear
15:04 < kanzure> mm, turtle soup
15:04 < nsh> thomas knight and talli just seem like dicks, tbh
15:05 < fenn> cranky usenet syndrome
15:05 < kanzure> tom is an MIT professor/oldie
15:05 * nsh nods
15:05 < kanzure> I guess they get to be jerks after all these years
15:05 < kanzure> I think they are actually groupies
15:05 < nsh> probably light-hearted
15:05 < kanzure> it looks like the diybio people are really just some lab group who are close friends
15:06 < kanzure> I have nothing against close friends
15:06 < kanzure> but it looks like they are doing "sekrit" work that they don't share on the mailing list
15:06 < fenn> so does iGEM just mail biochem kits to anyone who asks? how does this work exactly?
15:06 < kanzure> so naturally since they run things ... ;-)
15:06 < kanzure> don't know, I haven't investigated
15:06 < kanzure> it looks like they mail to 'labs'
15:06 < kanzure> but there has been high school teams before
15:08 < kanzure> ok, they've stopped emailing
15:09 * kanzure is a flood of mindforce :-)
15:12 < nsh> but, srsly
15:12 < nsh> what do you need for gel electrophoresis anyway...
15:12 < nsh> it's just voltage, buffer, and agarose ffs
15:12 < nsh> and EtBr
15:12 < kanzure> heh, EtBr :(
15:12 < nsh> is that hard to attain?
15:12 < fenn> there are other stains
15:12 < kanzure> you know what would be awesome?
15:13 < kanzure> if I could piss DNA staining dyes.
15:13 < kanzure> ok, that wouldn't be so awesome. nevermind.
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15:13 < fenn> "SYBR Safe" for instance
15:13 < fenn> whatever that is
15:13 < nsh> you need ~.5 microlitres of EtBr per sample
15:13 < kanzure> fenn: you remember the silicon 'gels' that were on newscientist a while back?
15:13 < nsh> that's gotta be less than a penny
15:13 < kanzure> nsh: getting neurotoxins when you're not in a lab is not easy
15:14 < kanzure> I haven't checked
15:14 < fenn> nsh: it's not the cost its the cost of disposal (etbr is a strong mutagen)
15:14 < kanzure> nevermind, I'm lying
15:14 < nsh> oh, we just flush it (jk)
15:14 < kanzure> what happened to that great medical benefit package?
15:14 < kanzure> heh
15:14 < fenn> oh wait, you work in a lab, wtf am i teaching you for
15:14 < kanzure> I wish one of you would whack these guys into line
15:15 < kanzure> obviously I try and it doesn't work :-)
15:15 * nsh is too vitriolic
15:15 * fenn is too melancholic
15:15 < fenn> ack what is this http cache cleaner thing
15:15 * fenn grumbles about ubuntu being windows in disguise
15:15 < kanzure> "I think you should tone down your e-mails and think about how your enthusiasm could come across as arrogance some times."
15:16 < kanzure> I just got that as an email from John
15:16 < kanzure> as arrogance.
15:16 < kanzure> how is what I said arrogant ?
15:16 < kanzure> anybody? we're all smart guys, what did I say that's arrogant?
15:16 < nsh> you have to be right gently, kanzure
15:16 < kanzure> I see.
15:16 < nsh> being bluntly right is not well recieved
15:16 < kanzure> that's tricky
15:17 < fenn> i was just reading "how to have confidence and power" the other day..
15:18 < fenn> there's a whole chapter about how not to win an argument
15:18 < fenn> basically the idea is you have to simply state obvious facts and let the other guy draw the obvious conclusion
15:18 < fenn> but if you ram the obvious conclusion down his throat, he'll only fight back harder in order to preserve his own ego (against all logic)
15:20 < nsh> it's about the interface
15:20 < kanzure> my approach to emails is "point by point" commenting instead of synthesis writing
15:20 < kanzure> 'synthesis' is where they might be willing to listen
15:20 < nsh> the interface between epistemologies is different to the bare facts at matter
15:20 < kanzure> point-by-point gets too hard to track all of the different emails together.
15:20 < kanzure> right
15:20 < kanzure> nsh: that's a hard barrier to get over
15:20 < nsh> it's a dance :-/
15:21 < kanzure> I see it all the time in mostly everything I do
15:22 * nsh too
15:24 < kanzure> methinks this might end up with me having to teach everyone about linux, showing them how open source projects usually run and why that might possibly be more useful than being secretive, about dependencies and how much not having a DLL or lib file sucks, etc.
15:24 < kanzure> I can't believe these guys wouldn't have this background already though ...
15:26 < Jacco> Hi guys.
15:27 < nsh> moin, Jacco
15:27 < kanzure> Hey Jacco.
15:27 < kanzure> Rick James?
15:27 < kanzure> #gcc ##chemistry ##neuroscience #hplusroadmap #ai #defocus <-- is good
15:28 < kanzure> anything saying #gcc ;-)
15:28 < nsh> apart from that last chan. a greater hive of scum and villainy there n'er was
15:45 < kanzure> sucks how the more I look into the less awesome these people are
15:45 < kanzure> eli's officially off my list, even if he does truly want to solve these problems,
15:45 < kanzure> tom knight, wtf
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15:48 < kanzure> Has anyone sent an email to hplusroadmap since the 12th and has it gone through ?
15:57 < kanzure> maybe I am arrogant
15:58 < kanzure> I haven't considered this before
15:58 < kanzure> am I arrogant?
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16:08 < kanzure> Hey.
16:10 < fenn> i wouldnt say arrogant so much as naive and ignorant :)
16:10 < kanzure> me?
16:10 < kanzure> I think I'm ignorant of where the hell they're coming from
16:10 < fenn> hmm, what was 'john' referring to in particular? did he even say?
16:11 < kanzure> nope
16:11 < kanzure> 'overall' I suspect
16:13 < fenn> you often appear to have 'the answer' and are ramming it down the reader's throat
16:13 * Splicer agrees
16:13 < fenn> when the reader notices an obvious technical flaw that would make the whole idea fail completely, it just leaves you looking like an ass
16:14 < kanzure> technical flaw?
16:14 < kanzure> the idea is to fix the technical flaws, no?
16:15 < fenn> um, here's one example: growing algae for biodiesel to make rocket fuel on orbit
16:15 < nsh> what was wrong with that ide?
16:15 < nsh> *idea
16:15 < kanzure> yeah, it's not like I have the actual reactions for that
16:16 < kanzure> so how could it be a technical flaw?
16:16 < fenn> hmm
16:16 < kanzure> I know I'm being an ass here
16:16 < fenn> 'here' meaning diybio list?
16:16 < kanzure> yes
16:16 < kanzure> but in general, proposing something like that, and then leaving them hanging, is probably bad practice
16:16 < kanzure> I'd have to do immediate followup with ways of making the protocols and investigating how to go about doing it
16:17 < kanzure> but explaining to them how to search for information is like holding their hand :(
16:17 < kanzure> I wouldn't mind it,but I'll look like even more of an ass
16:18 < Splicer> you bring in sci fi arguments/solutions into discussions without thinking twice about it.. you do it often
16:18 < Splicer> and you do it into context where people are trying to get actual things done
16:19 < kanzure> you think I'm not trying to get things done?
16:19 < Splicer> *contexts
16:19 < Splicer> I'm not sure you know what that entails any more
16:19 < kanzure> should I just start appending a "how to actually do this" to all of my messages and make it simpler ?
16:19 < Splicer> but that's the thing... you never know that
16:19 < kanzure> if I knew how, the _exact_ how for everything, I don't think I'd need to be talking
16:20 < kanzure> yeah, but I have the rough outline
16:20 < kanzure> and the general frameworks I've been using don't suck
16:20 < Splicer> you hava a millionm of them
16:20 < kanzure> the 'epistemology' perhaps ;-)
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16:20 < kanzure> not so, it all lines up pretty well
16:21 < kanzure> for instance: me talking about neurotagging in here one day
16:21 < Splicer> it all falls apart as soon as you actually would take time to try to atually make one of them
16:21 < kanzure> and a week later ybit finding a link to an implementation :)
16:21 < kanzure> hah
16:21 < kanzure> then how is it that these things are working and things are rolling?
16:21 < Splicer> what is rolling?
16:21 < kanzure> for instance, the biotech toolkit
16:22 < kanzure> well, the community support isn't, but that's an education/support issue, not a technical issue
16:22 < Splicer> does it work now... the last version I saw didn't
16:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/gitweb.cgi
16:22 * fenn hides
16:22 * kanzure isn't interested in getting into this discussion
16:22 < kanzure> I was more talking about the approach to presenting the ideas
16:23 < Splicer> it's easy to braindump ideas.. everyone can do that.. but people dont
16:23 < kanzure> fenn: what do you think about the 'step by step howto' appended to all of my outgoing messages? And then I can clearly highlight "this general fuzzy area is where I would hope you guys would like to spend some time thinking about"
16:23 < kanzure> show them my maps and such.
16:24 < fenn> i'm not convinced that's the problem, but it might help to clarify what precisely you're talking about
16:24 < fenn> i mean, you arent talking about mining salt and refining petroleum into lab reagents
16:25 < fenn> but it was never explicitly stated what level of "diy" you envisioned
16:26 < kanzure> the definition I sent to the diybio group today was not so much diy from scratch (which is, yes, what I want) but rather dependency information -- some degree of not letting proprietary stuff be a single point of failure in your system
16:26 < kanzure> erm, and overall I don't quite see the connection to how to write good email
16:27 < fenn> ah i just read the xml/arduino post
16:27 < fenn> can't seem to get google groups to display threads like i want
16:29 < kanzure> re: displaying threads, I wish they did hierarchical threads for gmail. I'd actually use the web interface then.
16:35 < kanzure> I think I should get advice from #electronics about arduino before I go around referencing it
16:35 < kanzure> I haven't actually used it, but the local robot group and actlab and others have brought it up (live) so I suspect it might be as it says it is
16:36 < kanzure> just haven't used it yet :-)
16:37 * kanzure is still impressed with Eric Hunting
16:39 < fenn> the thing about arduino is it's a hardware platform and a software platform too, but you can mix and match with other hardware/software
16:39 < fenn> so when you say 'arduino' its ambiguous :(
16:39 < kanzure> I see.
16:39 < fenn> like if you could run mac OS on any computer
16:39 < fenn> then what does 'mac' mean
16:39 < kanzure> but isn't that the point
16:39 < kanzure> even if it is ambiguous, either way works
16:39 < kanzure> for instance, both the software and hardware is available
16:39 < kanzure> depends on the context in which you employ it, no?
16:40 < fenn> yeah, on the whole i'm quite pleased with the arduino project
16:40 < fenn> it still smacks of prepackaged snacks though
16:41 < fenn> shrug
16:41 < fenn> i just get annoyed when someone doesnt know which way to turn a bolt
16:42 < kanzure> true enough
16:43 < kanzure> was arduino from Make or did they make it because they got on Make?
16:46 < fenn> uhh.. Make doesnt actually make anything :(
16:46 < kanzure> the brand thing
16:47 < kanzure> by 'make it because' I mean 'make it big'
16:47 < kanzure> heh, ambiguity
16:47 < fenn> hm there's just a pun waiting to happen with this "AVR reactor" (german nuclear reactor in the 60's)
16:47 < kanzure> I don't see it
16:47 < kanzure> is this an Atmel AVR reference?
16:47 < kanzure> since we're talking about arduino?
16:48 < fenn> arduino is based on an avr chip, which provides 99% of the functionality
16:55 < kanzure> nsh: Are you still around? And would you be willing to interpret some Dutch code for me? http://svglbc.datenverdrahten.de/?code=funktion_integrieren&znr=on
16:56 * nsh wonders why an american guy wants a british guy in finland to interpret dutch code from germany
16:57 < fenn> google translate works ok
16:57 < fenn> if you copy/paste
16:57 * nsh has verdict: it probably draws stuff
16:58 < kanzure> just looking for the vertical axis specification
16:58 < kanzure> since I'm trying to plot a function that goes beyond the range and domain it instantiates
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16:58 < kanzure> thanks fenn
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17:00 < kanzure> ah, it's German.
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17:07 < kanzure> "`Arbitrary does not mean random or meaningless. Arbitrary merely means without previous dependency.` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_Philosophy " hm
17:10 * fenn glazes over
17:10 < fenn> somebody turn me before i burn!
17:11 * kanzure turns fenn
17:11 < kanzure> szzzzzzzz
17:15 < fenn> ok i'm done
17:15 < fenn> g'nite
17:19 < kanzure> night
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20:32 < kanzure> Hrm.
20:32 < kanzure> things did not go well
20:32 < kanzure> somebody posted and called it a flamewar :( it clearly was not a flamewar
20:34 < kanzure_> +++
21:11 < kanzure> Okay. Let's just try working backwards. If you were a quadcore, where would you be?
21:56 < ybit> hehe
22:05 < ybit> didn't read the full log, but the only part which seems like you are attacking someone is
22:05 < ybit> Comparing DNA extraction and running gels to running a microprocessor
22:05 < ybit> fabricator is retarded. But if you really want to be a jerk and argue
22:05 < ybit> the microprocessor side of things
22:06 < ybit> """ ^
22:06 < ybit> but other than that, it seems like you were right on target
22:07 < kanzure> apparently that guy that I was replying to there was being sarcastic and so on
22:07 < kanzure> here's his message
22:08 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/ffd7fd5339985faa?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_2a3a2ea3a030a41b
22:08 < kanzure> #14
22:09 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/tree/browse_frm/thread/86ad9a3f8ccb150e/676fbbfe06da4a86?rnum=21&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fdiybio%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F86ad9a3f8ccb150e%3F#doc_3b2d57d6d81dfd4e
22:09 < kanzure> and #27
22:10 < kanzure> anyway, ybit - did you check out any of the Google maps APIing stuffs ?
22:10 < ybit> ick
22:10 < kanzure> to me or him?
22:10 < ybit> him
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22:11 < kanzure> heh :)
22:11 < ybit> doing it now, installing some dependencies
22:11 < kanzure> I'm sure I could have handled it better
22:11 < kanzure> but I didn't :(
22:11 < ybit> oh well, it's obvious you just want what's best for everyone
22:11 < kanzure> is it
22:11 < kanzure> ?
22:11 < kanzure> sarcasm?
22:11 < ybit> i'm being serious
22:16 < kanzure> This is so very weird. I have every single component of everything I've bought for the desktop: every single screw, every single piece of cardboard, all of the hardware, all of the documentation, manuals and CDs, but no microprocessor.
22:16 < kanzure> while my thoroughness was admirable, it's completely failed me
22:18 < ybit> same here, except i need a power supply now :P
22:19 < kanzure> is it possible that I shipped the microprocessor back to new egg with the dead motherboard?
22:19 < kanzure> I clearly remember taking the microprocessor off of the board and putting it into a separate retainer case
22:19 < kanzure> and also putting it into one of the boxes I've triple searched in the last few minutes
22:21 < ybit> I dug a hole to plant a future peach tree, but I couldn't remember where the seed was placed :P
22:21 < ybit> that's my story of losing something today
22:21 < ybit> yeah, it's lame, i know :P
22:21 < kanzure> losing a quadcore is the ultimate in lameness
22:21 * ybit drools
22:21 < kanzure> but it's lost
22:22 < ybit> if you live in a dorm, it may have been stolen?
22:22 < Splicer> if you bought the pc as parts: is it on the pack slip?
22:22 < kanzure> two potential times it could have been stolen
22:22 < kanzure> pack slip?
22:23 < kanzure> (1) it could have been stolen while it was in the box in the trailer. This is unlikely since it was in a box in the back of the trailer underneath everything else.
22:23 < kanzure> (2) if it was loaded in one of the first few trips, the door was unlocked once or twice only
22:23 < kanzure> however, again, it was underneath everything else and I wasn't gone for more than 2 or 3 minutes
22:24 < kanzure> and stealing only a microprocessor at the very bottom? and leaving everything in order?
22:24 < kanzure> Splicer: what is this 'pack slip' that you speak of?
22:24 < Splicer> i reread the post.. you didn't buy it now.. so no packaging slip(if that's what it's called)
22:25 < kanzure> what is a packaging slip though?
22:25 < kanzure> you mean a receipt?
22:25 < Splicer> when you buy something, say online... yeah, but it's not really a receipt.. it's the slip that says what was sent.
22:25 < kanzure> ah, yeah, I had it earlier
22:25 < kanzure> so I know I (should) have it
22:27 < Splicer> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packing_slip )
22:30 < ybit> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhd )
22:30 < ybit> :)
22:30 < kanzure> I do very thorough searches
22:30 < kanzure> I know this thing must still exist on this planet
22:30 < kanzure> so I've narrowed down 99.9999% of the galaxy
22:42 < ybit> you came down my street and didn't tell me!? ;)
22:42 * ybit is waiting on this program to finishing compiling
22:42 < ybit> virtuoso, that is
23:08 < kanzure> virtuoso?
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