--- Day changed Tue Aug 05 2008 02:13 -!- fenn [n=pz@adsl-76-248-71-198.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: heybryan server will be down as of 2008-07-12 | Semi-intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKbzbeipmI http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/ | diy bio tools: http://biohack.sf.net/ | Automated societal knowledge (put it to work): http://heybryan.org/exp.html | Channel wiki: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | F/OSS re: Kurzweil: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ 02:13 -!- Topic set by nsh [] [Tue Jul 15 03:32:49 2008] 02:13 [Users #hplusroadmap] 02:13 [ Endos] [ freer ] [ kanzure_] [ procto ] 02:13 [ fenn ] [ kanzure] [ Overand ] [ willPow3r] 02:13 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal] 02:13 -!- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 02:13 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Sat Mar 22 15:44:12 2008 02:13 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 24 secs 03:14 < kanzure> Hey fenn 03:14 < kanzure>  http://heybryan.org/bryanmakesburger/100_0045.jpg <-- Cooking is not ... obvious. 04:51 < kanzure> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/kevin_kelly_on_the_next_5_000_days_of_the_web.html 04:51 < kanzure> haven't watched it yet 05:09 -!- Endos [n=jpepiton@194.71.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #hplusroadmap [] 05:24 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:44 < kanzure> http://www.meme.com.au/papers/WTW/whatever.html 07:43 -!- nsh [n=nsh@eduroam-80.uta.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:04 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:22 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:46 -!- ybit [n=h@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:05 -!- fenn_ [n=pz@76.248.71.198] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:05 -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: heybryan server will be down as of 2008-07-12 | Semi-intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKbzbeipmI http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/ | diy bio tools: http://biohack.sf.net/ | Automated societal knowledge (put it to work): http://heybryan.org/exp.html | Channel wiki: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | F/OSS re: Kurzweil: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ 12:05 -!- Topic set by nsh [] [Tue Jul 15 03:32:49 2008] 12:05 [Users #hplusroadmap] 12:05 [ fenn ] [ freer ] [ kanzure ] [ nsh ] [ procto] 12:05 [ fenn_] [ freer_] [ kanzure_] [ Overand] [ ybit ] 12:05 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 12:05 -!- Channel #hplusroadmap created Sat Mar 22 15:44:12 2008 12:05 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 29 secs 12:10 -!- freer [n=freer@209-20-74-204.slicehost.net] has quit [Connection refused] 12:11 -!- fenn [n=pz@adsl-76-248-71-198.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:27 -!- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 13:47 -!- nsh [n=nsh@eduroam-80.uta.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:54 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:59 < kanzure> the internet is like a galaxy, and I'm trying to cherrypick a handful of stars out of billions 13:59 < kanzure> bah 14:04 < kanzure> hm, maybe I should put together a presentation for tomorrow? 14:09 < nsh> what's tommorow? 14:11 < kanzure> biobarcamp 14:16 < kanzure> hah 14:16 < kanzure> http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/InBCT_May_2004.html 14:16 < kanzure> "Google search query generator": 14:16 < kanzure> "Google Search Query Generator       Textual descriptions (query strings) provided to Semantic Search Assistant are processed using WordNet ontologies that capture word meanings and relations between keywords and then converted into series of Google-queries taking into account keyword semantics and using advanced search features provided by Google; generated should return better results than if keywords are used dir 14:16 < kanzure> those bastards 14:16 < kanzure> 'Semantic Search Assistant' (SSA) 14:18 < nsh> wordnet is a joke 14:18 < nsh> like the best jokes, a lot of people don't get it and take it seriously 14:20 < kanzure> http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/UBIWARE_details.htm 14:22 * kanzure wonders how far nsh would have to travel to steal their codebase 14:22 < kanzure> erm 14:22 < kanzure> nevermind 14:22 * nsh smiles 14:23 < nsh> this looks pretty interesting 14:34 < kanzure> the semantic search facilitator or biobarcamp? 14:38 < nsh> UBIWARE 14:40 < nsh> biobarcamp also looks cool 14:41 < kanzure> nsh: did I mention I'm getting to work with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson ? 14:41 < ybit> i hadn't heard 14:42 < nsh> shit, really? 14:42 < ybit> *me b-day was yesterday so we've been having festivities all week* 14:42 < nsh> happy birthday ybit 14:42 < ybit> ty ty 14:42 < nsh> Ted Nelson is my kinda guy 14:42 < ybit> what are you two working on kanzure? 14:42 < ybit> is this at the siai? 14:43 < kanzure> ybit: no 14:43 < kanzure> though I did meet Eli two days ago, but anyway 14:43 < kanzure> ybit: We're working on a generic "hypermedia system" using zigzag. 14:43 < kanzure> so it's actually something that can be implemented, not one of his pipe dreams (sadly) 15:03 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:44 < kanzure> "This new tool offers a Google Maps-like view of integrative genomic 15:44 < kanzure> data," said Jill Mesirov, 15:44 < kanzure> http://www.broad.mit.edu/igv/ 15:45 < kanzure> meh, not really apparently 15:49 < nsh> hrm 15:51 < kanzure> hurray! 15:51 < kanzure> I've been cited in a paper 15:51 < kanzure> I feel so special 15:52 * nsh smiles 15:52 < nsh> which? 16:00 < kanzure> http://www.springerlink.com/content/838234qr720218w8/fulltext.pdf 16:00 < kanzure> (it's open access) 16:00 -!- You're now known as fenn 16:12 < kanzure> hrm 16:15 < fenn> where are you cited in that paper? 16:18 < fenn> oh i see it now.. for some reason search for 'biohack' didnt show it 16:28 < fenn> i wonder what they're spending $39 billion on for bio"bio-devense" 16:41 < fenn> any bets on how long til we have a 9/11-style power grab with synbio? 16:53 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9CD5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:58 < kanzure> power grab? 16:58 * nsh wonders too 16:59 < fenn> massive irrational restrictive laws for the purpose of profit and domination 16:59 < fenn> you know, more of the usual 16:59 < kanzure> hm 16:59 < nsh> oh 17:00 < nsh> bound to happen 17:00 < nsh> well 17:00 < nsh> hmmm 17:00 < nsh> computers seemed to escape it 17:00 < kanzure> :) 17:00 < nsh> but they don't present such a risk-opportunity 17:00 < nsh> (and once they began to [filesharing], the genie was out of the bottle) 17:04 < kanzure> Gene sharing: don't 17:04 < kanzure> oh wait, sex 17:04 < kanzure> hm 17:08 < fenn> conjugation 17:09 < fenn> though 'massive irrational restrictive laws' certainly applies to sex 17:10 < kanzure> why hasn't anybody been stupid enough yet to outlaw bacteria? 17:11 < fenn> it would put the doctors out of work 17:16 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:16 -!- nsh [n=nsh@87-94-146-186.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 -!- freer_ is now known as freer 17:50 < kanzure> we need a keyboard that is also a mouse 17:51 < kanzure> i.e., move the keyboard = move the mouse 17:51 < kanzure> no need to move fingers off of the keys 17:52 < nsh> eye tracking would be simpler 17:53 < kanzure> no it wouldn't 17:53 < nsh> mice work because the brain can easily map the proprioceptive feedback of moving the hand to the movement of the cursor 17:53 < kanzure> you ever inadvertedly eye breasts? 17:53 < nsh> obviously it'd be connected to a manual action too 17:54 < nsh> pressure with the palm engages eye tracking 17:54 < nsh> or whatever 17:54 < kanzure> ah, okay 17:54 < kanzure> that might be worth it. 17:55 < fenn> a one handed keyboard could gyro/accelerometers built in 17:55 < fenn> no reason not to do both really.. i hate how X limits you to one cursor 17:55 < kanzure> I haven't figured out how to make a one-handed keyboard 17:55 < nsh> mmm 17:56 < fenn> i'm thinking something that looks sorta like a squished tothpaste tube with buttons/capacitive sensors all over it 17:56 < kanzure> motorcycle bar 17:56 < kanzure> handbar thing 17:56 < kanzure> hm, no 17:56 < kanzure> I have images of these things somewhere 17:56 < kanzure> rabid archiving of alternative hand-to-computer interfaces 17:57 < fenn> chording keyboard development is at an all time low 17:57 < kanzure> hm 17:57 < fenn> "Peer to peer theory is part of those movements that think such 17:57 < fenn> autonomy-in-cooperation is possible as a higher potential of human 17:57 < fenn> kind, and therefore opposed to those who embrace the independent 17:57 < fenn> logics of the machine" 17:58 < kanzure> yeah? 17:58 < fenn> do you think he really means that cooperation and AI are opposed? 17:58 < kanzure> heh 17:58 < kanzure> somewhat 17:58 < kanzure> but I don't think he means "we can cooperate to not build UFAI" 17:59 < kanzure> rather I think he means "you are all jerks and should remember your contextualization" 18:00 < fenn> actually i was sorta wondering why you sent a 20 page bio of eugene leitl to all these people? 18:00 < kanzure> twobits.net looked like an interesting book that has some relevance to those people 18:00 < kanzure> the overall book at least 18:00 < kanzure> there's some context here of course 18:01 < kanzure> the freedomofscience.org people (Jonathan J or something) were distancing themselves from the transhuman tech stuff 18:01 < kanzure> same with Michel Bauwens and so on 18:01 < kanzure> and since evidently all of the definitions completely failed, I figured I'd send it off to them at once 18:01 < kanzure> just so that they know that they are generally on the same playing field in my opinion 18:01 < kanzure> kinda doing the same damn things ... 18:01 < fenn> what definitions? 18:01 < kanzure> well, like Wikipedia's portrayol of transhumanism 18:01 < kanzure> and WTA's and such 18:01 < kanzure> all that bullshit. 18:02 < fenn> hmm 18:02 < fenn> ok the leitl bio makes more sense now 18:02 < kanzure> hurray 18:02 < nsh> wtf is this "independent logics of the machine" 18:02 < kanzure> nsh: unexamined logics 18:02 < kanzure> so-called "logics" of course 18:02 < nsh> that's some weapons-grade balls 18:03 < nsh> there was the paste from, ybit? 18:03 < nsh> *fenn 18:03 < kanzure> email 18:03 < kanzure> since hplusroadmap is dead for the time being 18:03 * kanzure is still hunting for relayhosts 18:03 < fenn> nsh: some more context: "are we fated to totally lose control of our socio-technical systems or not" 18:05 < kanzure> answer: yes 18:05 < kanzure> "our" => ambiguous 18:05 < fenn> bauwens seems to be ignoring the value of communications technology and the social structures it enables.. oddly enough 18:05 < fenn> maybe that's just my observer bias 18:06 < kanzure> what, like fiber optics? 18:06 < fenn> yes :) 18:06 < kanzure> methinks he might maybe know about ronja 18:06 < fenn> i wouldnt be having this conversation if not for fiber optics 18:06 < kanzure> or at least http://solarnetone.org/ now that I mentioned it to him 18:07 < fenn> another gnuveau.net alias 18:07 < kanzure> uh, well http://sleekfreak.ath.cx/ 18:07 < kanzure> right 18:07 < kanzure> 'Gnuveau proudly announces SolarNetOne, a solar powered multi-user Linux Terminal Server network, with integrated long range wireless access point, analog telephone adapter, proximity based security system, and many other features.Please click the image below for more information on the green computing solution SolarNetOne.' 18:07 < fenn> with annoying time-delay redirects :\ 18:07 < nsh> sweet 18:08 < kanzure> #solarnet-dev was kinda sorta idle 18:08 < kanzure> shogunx was showing up in here for .. a while 18:08 < kanzure> but he's mainly in #openmosix 18:08 < kanzure> #solarnet-dev on gnuveau.net's irc server 18:10 < fenn> ok well, imagine your ISP only had a wireless link to the rest of the net 18:10 < kanzure> bleh 18:10 < fenn> if done right it might not be bad at al 18:11 < fenn> but fiber is many orders of magnitude more efficient 18:11 < kanzure> me hasn't figured out how to make good fiber optics yet 18:11 < fenn> == costs less, as much as you think money doesn't exist 18:14 * kanzure goes back to looking up autogoogler 18:14 < kanzure> hm, but the presentation .. 18:14 < kanzure> hrm 18:18 < kanzure> "Search Assistant uses ontologically (WordNet) defined knowledge about words and embedded support of advanced Google-search query features in order to construct more efficient queries from formal textual description of searched information. 18:18 < kanzure> Semantic Search Assistant hides from users the complexity of query language of concrete search engine and performs routine actions that most of users do in order to achieve better performance and get more relevant results." 18:18 < kanzure> delicious 18:22 < kanzure> http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/OntoGroup/InBCT_May_2004.html 18:24 < kanzure> ' In spite of that, English language has smaller number of verbs than nouns (as counted in LINK TO MILLER'S WORK, Collins English Dictionary lists 43,636 different nouns and 14,190 different verbs.' 18:24 < kanzure> heh 18:24 < kanzure> "It is obvious that COME BACK AND DO THE ACTUAL WORK HERE shows that there's a number of important ..." 18:34 < fenn> its not like anyone ever looks at the footnotes anywya 18:37 < fenn> i wish wordnet would use comp sci terminology instead of linguistics terminology 18:40 < kanzure> Steve's been trying to get me to use state vector machines for autogoogler 18:42 < kanzure> 'Default values of R can be de_ned by Sense Processor (by methods described in previous section) and can be manually customized by user. Through graphical interface user can see the list of all senses for each word from the search query and chose relevances using sliders.' 18:42 < kanzure> (R is a measure of relevance or something) 18:42 < kanzure> but 18:42 < kanzure> sliders? 18:42 < kanzure> hell, I just want a list of 20 different queries that go off to execute all at once 18:42 < kanzure> not so much sliding but ... hm. 18:43 * kanzure listens to http://heybryan.org/music2/radio/Animeacademyradio.m3u 18:44 < fenn> combinatorial explosion 18:44 < kanzure> 'If the word was not found in WordNet database, value of relevance R and value of N for it are automatically initialized as 1. So the total quality will have maximum possible value equal to 1. This choice can be explained in such way: if WordNet doesn't contain some word from user query, it can be some specific term or expression, and it must be definitely included as is into new query.' 18:45 < fenn> google will get mad if you send 10^18 queries 18:45 < kanzure> meh 18:45 < kanzure> I'm not going to use Google 18:45 < kanzure> I don't have their SOAP stuff 18:45 < kanzure> but Yahoo! has been friendly with me :) 18:45 < fenn> blasphemy! 18:45 < kanzure> not my fault Google shut off their dev access 18:45 < kanzure> wouldn't have had to go to yahoo were it not for that 18:46 < kanzure> 'If there is only one word in search query, first 10 words from sorted array of Q's may be placed in new query.' 18:46 < kanzure> erm 18:46 < fenn> there ought to be some kind of distributed search algorithm 18:46 < kanzure> this doesn't explain the ways of manipulating the string though 18:46 < kanzure> just an array of a relevance gradient is stupid 18:46 < kanzure> distributed search algo 18:46 < kanzure> geeze, like wikia search 18:46 < kanzure> and gnucrawler or whatever 18:46 < kanzure> oh wait, Jimbo fucked that one up 18:47 < fenn> um, not wikia? i just mean something that runs on each web server that will dig through its own files (saving bandwidth) 18:47 < kanzure> wikia search was built off of some distributed p2p crawler code sort of 18:47 < kanzure> Google Sites has that .xml format for internal digging to be made public 18:47 < fenn> not a crawler at all, i mean a server side search 18:47 < kanzure> but meh 18:48 < fenn> when i ask you a question i dont tell you to tell me everything you know and then figure out the answer myself 18:48 < kanzure> k 18:49 < nsh> i don't think there was much there to fuck up at any point 18:49 < fenn> train of thought was like this: googl and yahoo have a natural monopoly because we can't have every computer crawling every other computer 18:49 < nsh> google and yahoo have a natural monopoly because they are not required by law to share their data 18:49 < nsh> which will never happen :-/ 18:50 < fenn> it's almost like people can't even imagine cooperating 18:51 < fenn> there's no way every computer on the net is ever going to be a perfect mirror of every other computer 18:51 < nsh> "it's the economy, stupid" 18:53 < fenn> what i'm talking about is like turning google inside out 18:53 < nsh> pls elaborate 18:53 < fenn> instead of having a crawler that downloads data from remote servers and then performs algorithms on that data, the crawler would upload algorithms to other servers which would then run them on their data 18:53 -!- biopunk [n=p@h229n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:54 < fenn> of course now you have all of the search queries running on all of the computers 18:55 < fenn> but i'm sure there's some way around that 18:55 < fenn> i just havent thought of it 18:56 < kanzure> belly of the beast 18:57 < fenn> you could do something like sorting by hash keys 18:57 < fenn> with a distributed hash table 18:57 < fenn> it could work 18:57 < kanzure> the semantic search facilitator has its full documentation on the page there 18:57 < kanzure> hrm 18:57 < kanzure> with a few source files mentioned but no links 18:59 < fenn> is it open source? 18:59 < kanzure> '[Paper] Context-Sensitive Multidimensional Resource Visualization' 18:59 < kanzure> it's using GPLed tools methinks 18:59 < kanzure> so it must be? 19:02 < kanzure> odd how few search results there are for SSA 19:03 < kanzure> *SSF 19:03 < kanzure> http://www.cs.jyu.fi/ai/vagan/ head of metaintelligence lab has an @yahoo address 19:14 -!- willPow3r [i=will@94.sub-75-212-95.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:16 < kanzure> gahh 19:16 < kanzure> prototype written in java 19:27 < kanzure> so it looks like they were just building queries based off of an arbitrary measure of relevance according to WordNet, getting user feedback, and then running those queries 19:27 < kanzure> took them five months to do *that* ? 19:27 < kanzure> wtf 19:29 < kanzure> maybe I just have a disorder where everything seems simpler than it actually is 19:29 < fenn> me too 19:32 < kanzure> what gets me is the rules for assembling the new queries 19:32 < kanzure> it can't just be an array of strings 19:32 < kanzure> but an array of some linked lists of terms or something 19:32 < kanzure> or at least an array of recipes for the generation of the new queries or something like this 19:32 < kanzure> as you add each term there becomes an increasingly large number of different manipulations to do to the overall query, no? 19:33 < kanzure> so it looks like just an extend + recursion problem in that regard 19:33 < kanzure> i.e., for a query of length N recurse through all of the terms and do the manipulations 19:35 < fenn> seems they are trying to come up with the 'perfect' search query, when there's no such thing 19:35 < kanzure> correct 19:36 < kanzure> just mutations that you can do to the query / with the query 19:37 < kanzure> Tom McCabe, one of the guys living here (he's on acceleratingfuture.com/tom/ next to /michael/ (who also happens to be here), when asked if he had any original statements of his own to blurt out, answered, "I get everything from the internet. How could it be any different?" 19:37 < kanzure> bah 19:37 < kanzure> *here)) 19:37 < fenn> hm, that's too bad 19:37 < kanzure> ? 19:38 < kanzure> 'brain as a mutation engine' == too bad? 19:38 < fenn> everyone should come up with at least one new thing 19:38 < kanzure> heh 19:38 < kanzure> it's funny how we're all severely autistic 19:38 < kanzure> except Michael and the java programmer 19:39 < kanzure> well, by 'severe' I mean 19:39 < kanzure> to the extent that it's obvious we're pacing around in circles and ridiculous i.e. with http://heybryan.org/bryanmakesburger/ 19:39 < fenn> you said 'living here' i'm curious what the meatspace arrangement is like 19:39 < fenn> is there a house? a hotel? 19:40 < kanzure> renting a house yeah 19:40 < kanzure> so here's how it actually works 19:40 < kanzure> Anna, the facilitator who grabbed me from Austin, has been living with Steve since they were in high school or something 19:40 < kanzure> Anna takes care of Steve and makes sure he eats and i.e., doesn't die 19:41 < kanzure> *since after they were in high school 19:41 < kanzure> so they have a very small amount of cash that's running out a week after I leave 19:41 < fenn> heh nice brain pod 19:41 < kanzure> ? 19:42 < fenn> your burger.. n/m 19:42 < kanzure> oh, right :) 19:42 < biopunk> "this is your brain on drugs" 19:42 < kanzure> yeah, none of us really know how to cook 19:42 < kanzure> so it's awkward but whatever 19:42 < kanzure> "meh, just nuke it for a while" 19:43 * fenn suggests using the internet 19:43 < biopunk> done that 19:43 < kanzure> I was thinking of doing something like spotting Steve for a while 19:43 -!- willPow3r [i=will@94.sub-75-212-95.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:43 < kanzure> until I realized I'm probably going down his same path anyway 19:43 < fenn> "Note that video games cannot be used to transmit technical knowledge" <- bullshit 19:44 < kanzure> where? 19:44 * kanzure got off topic 19:44 < fenn> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/tom/ 19:45 < kanzure> heh, we all play Endgame fairly regularly :p 19:46 < fenn> well, its not my fault e:s is lacking in the technical knowledge department 19:46 < fenn> i think you'd need something like skdb to make it realistic though 19:47 < fenn> i.e. not like sid meyer's civilization game 19:47 < kanzure> tech trees in RTSes are of course relevant 19:47 < kanzure> if they actually were based off of realstuff 19:47 < kanzure> (the trees) 19:48 < fenn> eric hunting was obsessed with making a realistic space colonization game 19:48 < fenn> as a means to further the meme 19:48 < fenn> (and possibly attract funding) 19:48 < kanzure> wait, what? 19:48 < biopunk> uh oh 19:48 < kanzure> http://www.accelerationwatch.com/biotech.html 'Performance Limitations on Natural and Engineered Biological Systems' 19:49 < fenn> wait what what? 19:49 < kanzure> the game? 19:49 < kanzure> eric had a game? 19:49 < fenn> let me dig up some relevant emails 19:53 < kanzure> ' "Engineering RNA Logic with Synthetic Splicing Ribozymes" ' 19:54 < fenn> ah here we go, a typical novel-length exposition: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/message/8313 19:55 < kanzure> I don't know how Eric keeps beating the shit out of my lengthy messages 19:55 < fenn> it's really something isnt it 19:56 < fenn> i guess he got bummed out about it after trying to contact several video game publishers 19:57 < kanzure> wrong way to go about it 19:57 * kanzure is a homebrew indie video game programmer 19:57 < fenn> more about it here http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/M3_Game_Project 20:00 < kanzure> hm, I need to get back to the query generator 20:00 < kanzure> ljfkladfjlkasfj;kadsfjkas 20:07 < kanzure> heh 20:07 < kanzure> import ontology from dna mutation 20:07 < kanzure> insertion, deletion, frameshift, and that other thingy 20:08 < kanzure> and then I'll just manually select from a 'tag cloud' of the sort in typespeed 20:12 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9CD5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["quit"] 20:28 < kanzure> static-151-201-29-168.pitbpa.east.verizon.net. 20:28 < kanzure> any of us? 20:28 < kanzure> the neurocommons-rdf guys are wondering 21:11 < kanzure> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8162700386327580205&ei=SfeYSOXkGYGYqQOJ6NjLDA&q=pinky+%26+the+brain&vt=lf 21:22 -!- willPow3r [i=will@174.sub-75-217-126.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 < kanzure> shit 21:23 < kanzure> http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Comparison_of_Neural_Network_Simulators 21:29 < kanzure> crap 21:29 < kanzure> there's a deb file 21:29 < kanzure> http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Main_Page 21:32 -!- nsh [n=nsh@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [] 21:33 < kanzure> crap, it's O'Reilly 21:33 * kanzure knows why Superkuh had an interest in him 21:37 < kanzure> http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Screenshots 21:40 < kanzure> http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/Build_From_Package_Ubuntu 21:41 < kanzure> where do these projects come from? 22:19 < fenn> "What we've seen of these modifications so far is that they always introduce a range of unanticipated side effects (mice with better memories have pain intolerance and social problems, for example)" 22:19 < fenn> he forgot to mention they always try to take over the world 22:20 -!- willPow3r [i=will@174.sub-75-217-126.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:22 < fenn> heh pinky shoulda frozen solid when he stuck his tongue on that ice-9