--- Day changed Mon Aug 25 2008
01:35 < kanzure> I'm having some trouble locating a dataset listing the "impact factor" of various journals
01:38 < kanzure> I need a way to narrow down the 2k journals 
01:38 < kanzure> the total collection is too large, so I need to limit myself
01:39 < kanzure> I figure this is about the only time in my life I'll really truly use 'impact factor' in a somewhat correct way ...
02:01 < fenn> http://www.sciencegateway.org/rank/index.html ?
02:02  * fenn notes the conspicuous absence of any manufacturing journals
02:07 < kanzure> mechanical engineering though
02:07 < kanzure> http://in-cites.com/research/2004/may_31_2004-2.html
02:07 < kanzure> well, that's universities
02:08 < kanzure> hm
02:08 < kanzure> what about mineralogy?
02:08 < kanzure> hah
02:08 < kanzure> http://in-cites.com/top/2005/third05-geo.html "top 10 scientists"
02:09 < kanzure> SCIENCE
02:11 < kanzure> Masao Kanamitsu, 'Description of the NMC Global Data Assimilation and Forecast System'
02:11 < kanzure> fairly interesting achievement
02:12  * fenn is highly skeptical of any citation index
02:12 < fenn> its like trying to predict the stock market
02:14 < kanzure> I guess I could just download them all until my hdd space runs out
02:15 < fenn> hmmm please get ieee spectrum for the last 30 years for me :)
02:15 < kanzure> that's probably more worthwhile than anything else I've been getting
02:16 < kanzure> I've picked up a lot of interesting things from that site
02:16 < kanzure> interesting, the singularity issue is the second link on the google results page
02:16 < kanzure> wait, I mean xplore
02:16 < kanzure> what's spectrum?
02:16 < fenn> uh, same thing?
02:17 < fenn> i meant xplore i guess
02:17 < kanzure> ieee.org is the one that wants no "intelligent agents" downloading their site ;-)
02:17 < kanzure> so I guess I need to find a dumb agent
02:17 < kanzure> monkey on a keyboard 
02:18 < fenn> you could use one of those hourglass birds
02:19 < kanzure> http://www.rachel.infinitemonkeyproductions.net/oldsite/rpg/Ubik/images/monkey_typing_grey.gif
02:19 < kanzure> hourglass birds?
02:20 < kanzure> oh
02:20 < kanzure> the pecking birds
02:20 < kanzure> same motions as chickens?
02:21 < fenn> http://www.christianbaxter.com/blog/uploaded_images/drinking_bird-782492.jpg
02:22 < fenn> i never noticed that they had hats
02:42 < kanzure> hm, http://ieee.tv/
03:46 < bkero> Haha.  <3 my friend Ty.  http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v336/239/84/528175388/n528175388_3952683_1878.jpg
03:59 < kanzure> mmm... terrorism ...
04:59 < kanzure> Suggested window environments? xfce?
05:03 < Overand> I do like XFCE
05:03 < Overand> ion  and wmii are pretty interesting, if you're a maniac
05:04 < kanzure_> Hm.
05:04 < Overand> Those are 'tiling window managers'
05:04 < kanzure_> I need something easily scriptable.
05:04 < Overand> dude- wmii has a plan9 filesystem
05:04 < kanzure_> preferably with my beloved vertical taskbar
05:04 < Overand> it's ABSURD
05:04 < kanzure_> but I could do without a taskbar if it is sufficiently scriptable
05:04 < Overand> /proc and /sys are plan-9 inspired filesystems
05:05 < Overand> so in wmii, it creates a directory structure that represents wmii itself
05:05 < kanzure_> hm
05:05 < Overand> with directories for each section of the screen
05:05 < Overand> that you can get info from, and tell to run apps, etc
05:05 < Overand> but again - you have to be interested in using a tiling window manager
05:05 < Overand> that's no small leap from standard window managers
05:06 < kanzure_> No overlapping windows?
05:06 < Overand> it has support for them, in certain situations, i believe
05:06 < Overand> i'm nto 100% sure
05:07 < Overand> it's also very, very keyboard centric
05:07 < kanzure_> As it should be.
05:07 < kanzure_> I normally have 500 tabs open. I'm going to be doing this with 'windows'. 
05:07 < kanzure_> so tiling might not be the best idea ;-)
05:08 < Overand> yes
05:08 < Overand> i often have 500 tabs too
05:08 < Overand> but - windows?
05:08 < kanzure_> correct
05:08 < Overand> (well - ok, about 150 tabs)
05:08 < Overand> interesting - X11 on Win32?
05:08 < kanzure_> I'm getting rid of Opera in place of scripting konqueror or some other web browser
05:08 < kanzure_> what?
05:08 < kanzure_> I'm not on Win32.
05:09 < Overand> misunderstanding of 'windows' in that  context
05:09 < kanzure_> oh, yikes
05:09 < kanzure_> :)
05:09 < kanzure_> no
05:09 < Overand> i still fail to understand
05:10 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/projects/browsehack/tabtabtab.html is an explanation
05:10 < kanzure_> http://awesome.naquadah.org/ looks interesting
05:10 < kanzure_> but Lua? hm..
05:11 < kanzure_> "making awesome faster than any other window manager" 
05:11 < kanzure_> even with lua
05:11 < kanzure_> huh
05:11 < bkero> Behold!  A TV worthy of my living room:  http://www.woot.com/
05:11 < bkero> uh
05:11 < bkero> ion uses lua too, which I used for a long time.  lua blows
05:11 < kanzure_> heh
05:11 < bkero> http://www.suckless.org/wmii/
05:12 < kanzure_> I was using Lua in my MMORPG.
05:12 < kanzure_> Back in the day.
05:12 < bkero> wmii is awesome but more awesome
05:13 < kanzure_> bkero: So have you used wmii, awesome, ratpoison, stumpwm, rio, or xmonad?
05:14 < kanzure_> These have been on my todo list for a while.
05:14 < bkero> Run xmonad
05:14 < bkero> Fucking haskell window managers
05:14 < bkero> *ran
05:14 < bkero> done ratpoison, wmii, and awesome
05:14 < bkero> and ion3 :P
05:14 < kanzure_> That hardly makes sense. Why would you do a wm with Haskell?
05:14 < bkero> Because you work in academia and have a hardon for such things.
05:15 < bkero> I chose to stick with wmii after coming from ion3 because of the not crazy license/creator, and because I can script everything in bash and because window control/movement is done through alt+[hjkl], and window movement is alt+shift+[hjkl]
05:16 < kanzure_> Can it do window layering?
05:16 < kanzure_> i.e., can I open up 500 windows and have one on top? ;-)
05:17 < bkero> Yes
05:17 < bkero> There are 2 modes
05:18 < bkero> One is regular mode where the column is split between windows
05:18 < bkero> and one is called stacks, where you have multiple windows in 1 column, and use alt+[jk] to move between them
05:18 < bkero> It also supports workspaces
05:19 < bkero> Look on the first image of the page.  In the upper-left quadrant, you see 2 bars there.
05:19 < bkero> That's 2 windows in that one square :)
05:20 < kanzure_> Okay, I'll be trying out wmii then.
05:21 < bkero> The status bar at the bottom is just a bash script. :)
05:21 < fenn> heh a haskell window manager.. "open a set of all wikipedia pages, then display the one i'm interested in"
05:22 < kanzure_> steve tried introducing me to haskell
05:22 < kanzure_> I understood monads for about 2 minutes and thought it was interesting
05:22 < kanzure_> then I checked my mail.
05:23 < kanzure_> (and subsequently don't remember any of it)
05:23 < fenn> sounds familiar
05:23 < bkero> lolskell
05:23 < fenn> i can't remember any lisp either, though i studied that for about a month
05:23 < kanzure_> right
05:24 < kanzure_> heh, whitespace really emphasizes the right way to learn a language
05:24 < kanzure_> you can't just stare at a lot of whitespace
05:25 < fenn>       
05:25 < kanzure_> nobody said it was a good messaging language
05:25 < fenn> there's some programming language that's all tabs and spaces
05:25 < kanzure_> it's called whitespace
05:26 < kanzure_> bkero: don't say it
05:26 < kanzure_> "lolspace"
05:26 < kanzure_> I feel it coming.
05:26 < fenn> lool
05:26 < fenn> the virtual machine language of lolcode
05:28 < bkero> lolspace
05:29  * kanzure_ punches bkero 
05:29 < bkero> kanzure_: I'm a perl monkey, remember?
05:29 < bkero> You can have whitespace if you want
05:29 < bkero> But you don't really NEED it.
05:29  * kanzure_ is a perlmonk
05:29  * bkero has traded stocks with perl before. :)
05:29 < bkero> lo\tl
06:07 < fenn> well there's a half hour i'll never get back (reading about ion3's author)
06:24 < bkero> Indeed
08:34 < faceface> hi
08:41 < nsh> hey faceface
08:41 < nsh> how's the signal?
08:54 < faceface> S/N?
08:54 < nsh> as in, how's it going?
08:54 < faceface> pretty good. pretty pretty good
08:54 < nsh> signal being a metaphor for the general flow of information that consitutes the universe
08:54 < nsh> cool, cool
08:55 < faceface> I am totally into Ghost in the shell atm
08:55 < faceface> OK.
08:55 < nsh> yes, it seems to happen to a lot of people
08:55 < faceface> well... another day on the farm
08:55 < nsh> i believe it's a genetic suseptability
08:55  * nsh tried to watch it once, actually
08:55 < nsh> but got distracted or something
08:55 < nsh> dunno, should give it another go
08:55 < faceface> btw, I heard about 'meat on a stick' on the radio yesterday... its creaping inot the consicousness
08:55 < faceface> nsh, try the series (season 2) over the first movie
08:56 < nsh> meat on a stick, eh?
08:56 < faceface> and drop the second movie entirly
08:56 < nsh> like, kebab?
08:56 < faceface> yeah... I really want to push my business idea of 'celebrity on a stick'
08:56 < faceface> nsh, its something kanzure is interested in
08:56 < nsh> haha
08:56 < faceface> 'artificial meat'
08:56 < nsh> kanzure is interested in artificial everything
08:56 < faceface> you can grow a bunch of chicken flesh in a factory
08:56 < faceface> true...
08:57 < nsh> the guy would construct vacuum if it was remotely possible
08:57 < faceface> but meat on a stick has a 1 million dollar prize...
08:57 < nsh> what?!
08:57 < nsh> i could spend a million dollars!
08:57 < faceface> ... I forget the details....
08:57 < nsh> by brunch
08:57 < nsh> oh
08:57 < nsh> it's from PETA
08:57 < nsh> hrmm
08:57 < nsh> do i take money from retards
08:57 < nsh> yes, because then they'll have less money
08:57 < nsh> how do PETA have a million dollars anyway!?
08:58 < faceface> if you've got the meat!
08:58 < faceface> they got the money
08:58 < faceface> l8r
08:58 < nsh> this doesn't seem particularly difficult
08:58 < nsh> i bet they'd be dodgy about stem cells though
08:58 < faceface> in any case, wait till you taste my 'beckam burger'
08:59 < faceface> you'll be 'bending it' in no time!
08:59 < nsh> http://instantrimshot.com/
08:59 < faceface> (cloned artifical meat that is)
08:59  * nsh smiles
15:07 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Meat_on_a_stick
15:10 < kanzure> Electroanalytical properties of a novel biosensor modified with zirconium alcoxide porous gels for the detection of acetaminophen  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDTOPALERTHTML&_version=1&_uoikey=B6TGX-4T8SM0S-1&md5=ccdb2b0321bf976e78326df402749b94
15:10 < kanzure>   In-vitro Tomography and Non-Destructive Imaging at Depth of Pharmaceutical Solid Dosage Forms  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDTOPALERTHTML&_version=1&_uoikey=B6T6C-4T8HHCP-1&md5=7fe40043c9a9f6632c9d2d3a6f695ea4
15:10 < kanzure>   Fluorescence in situ hybridization to monitor the intracellular location and accessibility of plasmid DNA delivered by cationic polymer-based gene carriers  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/science?_ob=GatewayURL&_method=citationSearch&_urlVersion=4&_origin=SDTOPALERTHTML&_version=1&_uoikey=B6T6C-4T8JXC7-1&md5=58148724c6dab2451a891c704b0b91c0
15:12 < kanzure> http://enews.thomasnet.com/ct.jsp?uz3763235Biz7187255 Optocouplers feature isolation voltage of 3,750 Vrms. '  Including 11 halogen-free, Pb-free, and RoHS-compliant devices, EL3H7-G series 4-pin SSOP phototransistor optocouplers offer operating temperature range of -55 to 110°C, multiple current-transfer-ratio bins, and breakdown voltage of 80 V. Available in 2 mm package with 1.27 mm lead pitch, units have 5 mm creepage distance, and are suited for
15:12 < kanzure> What?
15:13 < faceface> neuo stimulation?
15:28 < kanzure> hm?
17:09 < nsh> wtf
17:09 < nsh> is a creepage distance?!
17:13 < fenn> The creepage distance is defined as the shortest distance along the surface of the insulation material between two conductive parts
17:54 < kanzure> university course scheduling sucks
17:54 < kanzure> why isn't there a builtin optimizer
17:54 < kanzure> are these people fucking insane?
18:00 < kanzure> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=474816
18:23 < kanzure> the perlmonks recommend a granularity limit of ~5 minutes and then using that as a scaffold
18:24 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Links
18:24 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_cover
18:24 < kanzure> each calendar event is given a unique ID number and it containts its description, name, time, location, and other rules;
18:25 < kanzure> then, neighboring events could be put into a (linked?) list, 
18:25 < kanzure> and a binary sort could be done based on time
18:25 < kanzure> erm
18:27 < kanzure> (of course, ultimately, everybody else is the one who is wrong for using this silly time-oriented system to begin with .. if the classes were online, then time wouldn't be the issue ... )
18:37 < kanzure> http://web.gccaz.edu/~medgar/
20:03 < kanzure> has some software that supposedly does it
20:03 < kanzure> perl crawler + java solver 
20:03 < kanzure> crawled Arizona's output, I guess
20:25 < kanzure> 'The generation game: A manganese-oxo complex with a cubic {Mn4O4}7+ core catalyzes the electrooxidation of water when suspended within the aqueous channels of a Nafion membrane (see picture). Illumination with visible light under an applied potential of 1.0 V (vs Ag/AgCl) generates current over one thousand turnovers. The catalytically active species arises from photolysis and subsequent dissociation of the manganese complex.'
20:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Sustained%20Water%20Oxidation%20Photocatalysis%20by%20a%20Bioinspired%20Manganese%20Cluster%20(p%20NA).pdf
20:28 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2008-08-25#Scientists_learn_from_nature_to_split_water
20:49 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Myostatin_DBZ_project
20:49 < kanzure> kidding
20:49 < kanzure> :p
21:56 < bkero> kanzure: How are you enjoying wmii?
21:56 < kanzure> Haven't installed it yet. ;-)
21:56 < bkero> apt-get install wmii
21:56 < kanzure> Nah, I can't afford to logoff this session at the moment.
21:57 < kanzure> I was going to do that for another machine.
21:57 < kanzure> which doesn't have a connection while I'm on
21:57 < kanzure> Anyway,
21:57 < kanzure> I've been busy optimizing my university schedule
21:57 < kanzure> by hand
21:57 < kanzure> "optimizing" but not really
21:57 < kanzure> since everything's full ..
21:57 < kanzure> is it normal to feel a hatred for "counselors" and "academic advisors" that don't actually do what they should be doing?
21:59 < bkero> There's an application I've found that lets you detach from X and reattach
21:59 < bkero> Like screen for x windows
21:59 < kanzure> interesting
22:00 < kanzure> name?
22:00 < kanzure> of course, there should be a full state suspension mechanism but strangely there's not ;-)
22:03 < fenn> bkero: xmove?
22:04 < bkero> xmove is really 1996
22:04 < bkero> Lemme find it
22:04 < fenn> i'd settle for 1996 if it did what it's supposed to
22:05 < bkero> It did what it was supposed to in 1996
22:05 < bkero> Doesn't do very well anymore.
22:05 < bkero> http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra
22:15 < fenn> pyrex :)
23:06 < bkero> pyrex indeed