--- Day changed Tue Sep 16 2008
00:01 < ybit> http://www.nature.com/ncb/journal/v10/n9/pdf/ncb0908-1015.pdf
00:03 < kanzure> Hm, why is it also not loading from the server?
00:06 < kanzure> ybit: I'll figure it out eventually.
00:08 < ybit> thanks, and no problem if you can't, i will simply have to wait around 10 days for snail mail to deliver
00:12 < kanzure> "Cure cancer? Has the hospital got out of the business of curing patients?" good stuff
00:15 < kanzure> http://theladderes.com/ job business search site only for $100k+ job seekers :-p
00:15 < kanzure> haha
00:15 < kanzure> wouldn't everybody go there?
00:16 < kanzure> http://theladders.com/
00:29 < bkero> Hospitals are businesses :(
01:00 < kanzure> So, catching some of the 'terminator' series on television shows that they have the little morphobots thingies running around impersonating people in corporations, 
01:00 < kanzure> but I'm pretty sure you don't have to pretend to be somebody else
01:00 < kanzure> it's not like they have rules against being employed twice in a company
01:00 < kanzure> double shifts ,for instance
01:04 < kanzure> 'Wawrousek, Westbrook, and Grattidge (1989) published an extensive listing and description of 1250 data sources on engineering materials'
01:16 < bkero> I'm an engineering material
01:35 < kanzure> rawr
01:42 < kanzure> http://www.mathub.com/ computer-aided nanodesign ("CAN")
01:42 < kanzure> CAN not .. 
01:42 < kanzure> just wait till can too
01:51 < kanzure> Maybe the Japanese are more tech-savvy in this area.
01:57 < ybit> http://ctma.ncms.org/Templates/activeprojects.htm
01:59 < kanzure> https://inaba.nims.go.jp/netnavi/link_F0831.htm
01:59 < kanzure> Japan rocks
01:59 < kanzure> Hm.
02:00 < kanzure> synthetic instrumentation?
02:00 < kanzure> re: ybit's link, that is.
02:01 < kanzure> hahaha
02:01 < kanzure> https://tsuge.nims.go.jp/
02:01 < kanzure> 'We have been publishing data sheets. These Data Sheets were converted to PDF documents. You can see these PDF on The Internet.  Would you understand the following contents, please ?
02:01 < kanzure> It is our policy in NIMS that we do not have permit to print and download. 
02:01 < kanzure> Even if you download PDF files, you can't open the data sheets downloaded. 
02:01 < kanzure> If you would like a printed version of a data sheet, please click to see this page.'
02:02 < kanzure> like I said, Japan rocks.
02:06 < ybit> http://ctmaideas.ncms.org/ideas/project_select.asp
02:07 < kanzure> Does this work for anyone? http://www.srim.com.cn/
02:07 < kanzure> ah, sorry, was a slow flash loader
02:08 < kanzure> ybit: where's this coming from / why?
02:13 < willPow3r> http://tinyurl.com/5sb29l
02:18 < kanzure> willPow3r: you should try the pidgin rickroll detector plugin
02:18 < willPow3r> u use irc on pidgin?
02:19 < willPow3r> i figured xchat would have one
02:21 < bkero> kanzure: link?
02:21 < willPow3r> i figured the virus was in decline anyway
02:21 < willPow3r> i'm sure it just polls the rickrolldb for the url
02:22 < kanzure> bkero: You called my bluff?
02:23 < kanzure> It was a big guess on my part.
02:23 < kanzure> Nobody in here uses tinyurl without context.
02:23 < kanzure> tinyurl is a dangerous thing
02:24 < kanzure> "For example, the Shanghai Institute of Microsystems and Information Technology has build an intelligent database used to  assistant material design. It is based on a materials database and combines image processing, pattern recognition, artificial neural networks, and design-making optimization."
02:24 < kanzure> http://www.sim.ac.cn/Eng/index.html Shanghai Institute of Microsystems and Information Technology
02:25 < ybit> it's coming from ncms.org
02:25 < ybit> thought it was interesting so i pasted
02:25 < kanzure> yes, but why did you find it
02:25 < ybit> i think it was linked from your school actually
02:26 < ybit> can't a guy browse without being asked why!? ;)
02:26 < kanzure> I suppose :)
02:27 < kanzure> just curious
02:27 < kanzure> and that sim.ac.cn site mentions nothing about that "intelligent database"
02:27 < kanzure> wtf?
02:27  * ybit was away when you posted that
02:28 < ybit> srim.com.cn works for me
02:28 < kanzure> '  Pilot Project of Knowledge Innovation Program (PPKIP)'
02:28 < kanzure> ybit: the 'english 'clicky didn't for me, so if you could snoop around for that citation or something
02:28 < kanzure> that'd be awesome
02:29 < kanzure> ' , State Key Laboratory of Functional Materials for Informati'
02:29 < kanzure> Where's my resident chinese guy?
02:29 < kanzure> do we have a chinese guy in here?
02:29 < willPow3r> my gf is chinese
02:30 < kanzure> fluent?
02:30 < willPow3r> in mandarin
02:30 < kanzure> excellent
02:30 < kanzure> Not that it matters right now.
02:30 < ybit> join #mandarin
02:30 < ybit> but the english site works fine
02:31 < ybit> you're looking for ppkip?
02:31 < kanzure> I'm not entirely sure what it's going to be under
02:31 < willPow3r> ;)
02:31 < kanzure> ybit: two different sites mind you
02:31 < willPow3r> wrong window.
02:31 < kanzure> I think ppkip might be more relevant
02:32 < ybit> ah
02:34 < ybit> fivesheep is fluent in mandarin
02:34 < kanzure> I'm just toying around with the fellow.
02:35 < ybit> heh, i hope the joke isn't lost in translation
02:35 < kanzure> http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/johokanri/44/10/701/_pdf                               China National Innovation System Construction with the Chinese Academy of Science
02:40 < ybit> hmm, may want to try #japanese :)
02:52 < kanzure> hjkjkdjf;lkdjfakaljqreuqoipfujqafckdalscjkadls;i
02:52 < kanzure> go forth and steal from the chinese
02:53 < kanzure> or else
02:53 < kanzure> why is it so hard to find this information? It sounds like a rather important project, but Google Scholar knows nothing about it
02:53 < kanzure> the daates seem to be from around 2003
02:54 < kanzure> time to make an international call, what time is it over there?
03:00 < willPow3r> there's an adblock plus filter for rickroll urls
03:01 < willPow3r> located at rickrolldb.com
03:03 < ybit> just got back
03:03 < ybit> it's 11:01am in hong kong presently
03:04 < ybit> primetime to call :)
03:04 < ybit> twinkle + voipdiscount 
03:04 < ybit> voipdiscount has free long distance
03:19 < willPow3r> heh  church of scientology's headquarters is in hemet, CA
03:19 < willPow3r> thats like, an hour from san diego
03:20 < kanzure> http://www.matguide.com/ <-- No Engrish?
03:21 < kanzure> willPow3r: the Church of Scientiology is living on the same block as me.
03:21 < kanzure> It's eery.
03:21 < kanzure> Not to mention the other 10 churches.
03:22 < willPow3r> http://www.matguide.com.cn/Index.aspx?L_ID=2
03:22 < willPow3r> you have to go to the chinese site, then click english
03:23 < willPow3r> i didn't think scientology was bad. isn't it based on dianetics?
03:28 < procto> dianetics and aliens, yeah
03:29 < kanzure> D:\Site_Collect\multidms_guide\multidms\Default.aspx
03:29 < kanzure> stupid ASP parse errors
03:29 < willPow3r> great url
03:29 < kanzure> somebody should hit them upside the head
03:29 < kanzure> willPow3r: No, it appears after trying to register.
03:30 < willPow3r> for matguide?
03:31 < kanzure> yes
03:40 < willPow3r> kanzure: did you put the correct cd in before registering?
03:41 < kanzure> the what?
03:41 < kanzure> head explodes
03:42 < willPow3r> you have to put the matguide registration CD in the D: drive before you register.
03:42 < kanzure> I told you, it's an ASP error
03:42 < kanzure> it's telling you the file location on their server
05:13 < willPow3r> http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/displayimage.php?pos=-17340
19:03 < kanzure> matweb works :)
19:03 < kanzure> on Windows at least
19:11 < kanzure> 'In a nondescript office park in the northeast side of Menlo Park, CA, the next genomics revolution may be taking place. There, 12 prototypes of a new sequencing machine developed by startup Pacific Biosciences are churning out reams of DNA sequence as fast as built-in cameras can record it. The deep freezer-size boxes, covered for the time being in red plastic sheeting, are performing a novel feat: reading single strands of DNA in real time. The mach
19:11 < kanzure> any guesses on the method?
19:11 < kanzure> 'Pacific Biosciences' central innovation is a small chip composed of a 100-nanometer-thick metal film deposited on a silicon-dioxide substrate and dotted with thousands of tiny wells, each only tens of nanometers in diameter. Before sequencing begins, an enzyme called DNA polymerase is immobilized at the bottom of the well, along with the strand of DNA to be read. Fluorescently labeled bases--each of the four DNA letters labeled with a different marke
19:11 < kanzure> oh
19:12 < kanzure> polysequencing
19:12 < kanzure> 'Despite its early success, it's not yet clear whether the company's innovative approach will surpass "next generation" sequencing technologies already in use. Pacific Biosciences plans to release a commercial product in 2010 and will announce the target sequencing capacity for that machine early next year. New types of sequencing machines, such as those developed by Roche Applied Sciences and Illumina, have already revolutionized genomics, allowing s
19:15 < kanzure> ' This is Jack Hitt, a writer with the New York Times Magazine. I am starting to research synthetic biology and ran across your site. You said to write before calling, so I'm emailing to see if we could talk sometime. (I did just try your 512 phone as well.) I am just getting going on this so I am mainly looking to talk about synthetic biology in pretty broad stokes for now, trying to figure out the smartest way to tell the story of the work that's go
19:15 < kanzure> jads;fkljasdklfj;klDfjkladdk
19:15 < kanzure> was in class ..
20:06 < kanzure> Well that went well.
20:11 < kanzure> http://www.physorg.com/news140787110.html graphene stuff
20:43 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hitt
20:43 < kanzure> Oh crap, he has a Wikipedia page.
21:09 < kanzure> Hey Nofaris.
21:10 < Nofaris> Hello kanzure
21:10 < Nofaris> What are you up to?
21:10 < kanzure> http://mersenne.org
21:10 < kanzure> Nofaris: Writing an email to the NY Times Magazine guy that just got off the  phone with me ..
21:11 < Nofaris> topic?
21:11 < kanzure> Synthetic biology.
21:12 < Nofaris> elaborate
21:13 < kanzure> General theme-seeking for nonacademic communities involved in synthetic biology.
21:29 < bkero> kanzure: Are you going to be quoted in the NY times?
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21:37 < kanzure> bkero: Quite possibly. 
21:37 < bkero> kanzure: A+ work then, sir.
21:37 < kanzure> bkero: I kick ass.
21:38 < kanzure> I go to school, slack off on "converting yer inches to moles", fall assbackwards into awesome lab positions, get free internets, and get in the NY Times. haha :-p A while back I was also nearly on New Scientist, but they wanted a high school student physically building something with Results.
21:39 < bkero> Science is pretty 8)
21:39  * kanzure feels like Kramer.
21:39 < kanzure> Anyway, he wants a list of things he should do so that he doesn't look like an ass as an author, stuff to do or read about before he writes.
21:40 < bkero> Are you going to recommend giant tomes of biology?
21:41 < kanzure> No, I was going to introduce him to the p2pfoundation.net people and see if I can't get some thematic continuation into him. 
21:41 < kanzure> Also trying to stress the 'technical backbone' stuff but unfortunately it doesn't entirely, uh, exist :)
21:41  * kanzure needs to code
22:05 < kanzure> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/taleb08/taleb08_index.html
22:11 < kanzure> http://network.nature.com/groups/bpcc/forum/topics/2974 blood flow v. neural activation studies of 'perceptions'
22:11 < kanzure> Maier A, Wilke M, Aura C, Zhu C, Ye FQ, Leopold DA.  Nat Neurosci. 2008 Aug 24. [Epub ahead of print], Divergence of fMRI and neural signals in V1 during perceptual suppression in the awake monkey.
22:15 < kanzure> argh .. ran into another one
22:15 < kanzure> somebody got a PhD off of making a Microsoft Access database of 10 different material property variables
22:16 < kanzure> in 2003.
22:16 < kanzure> That's just outright inexecusable.
22:16 < bkero> Hardness, color, density...
22:16 < bkero> lol
22:16 < kanzure> yeah ..
22:17 < bkero> Whereever you look, people are pretty pathetic.
22:17 < kanzure> but why can't I be pathetic?
22:17 < kanzure> and get master's and phd's for it?
22:17 < bkero> You could, but those are useless degrees then.
22:18 < kanzure> Not if you're looking for quick, high-paying employment.
22:18 < kanzure> i.e., infiltrate a few companies :p
22:18 < bkero> Sure, if that's your goal.
22:19 < bkero> I'm in a field where I don't even need a degree to do that.
22:19 < kanzure> bkero: There's no reason for me to get a degree, really, other than to go pirating from the companies.
22:19 < kanzure> I don't need a piece of paper to tell me that everyone else sucks.
22:19 < kanzure> unless that paper is phdcomics or something, but whatever
22:19 < bkero> You need a piece of paper to get past companies HR departments.
22:20 < kanzure> Yep.
22:21 < bkero> Is 35 4-credit classes too much to consider switching majors?
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22:22 < kanzure> bkero: Why do you want to switch majors?
22:22 < kanzure> I know you're interested in bioinformatics, but that's not my question.
22:23 < bkero> kanzure: The area interests me, and to get a job in that field.  I've already been a sysadmin for over 6 years.
22:24 < bkero> and because I absolutely hate corporate culture
22:31 < ybit> bkero: what are you currently majoring in?
22:32 < bkero> ybit: BS in CS and MBA
22:32 < ybit> and you want to switch to bioinformatics?
22:32 < bkero> Considering
22:32 < ybit> couldn't you take a few bio courses and then get a master's in bioinf?
22:33 < bkero> http://catalog.oregonstate.edu/MajorDetail.aspx?major=113&college=01
22:37 < kanzure> Ew, aspx.
22:37 < bkero> Yea
22:37 < bkero> We haven't hit that part of campus yet.
22:38 < bkero> I've taken the bacc core classes, and the math, but none of the Biology, Bioresource, Chemistry, or Physics.
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23:17 < kanzure> I don't know what I should tell this guy for his todo list really.