--- Day changed Wed Oct 01 2008
00:23 < ybit> 59394 == "IMPROVEMENT IN REGULATORS FOR WATCHES" ?? heh, srsly though, what patent was that?
00:24 < kanzure_> wait, what?
00:24 < kanzure_> I think I'm up to 60k now, not 59394 :)
00:25 < ybit> "[08:09] <kanzure_> 59394"
00:25 < ybit> might have misunderstood what you meant
00:31 < kanzure_> No, I've been being a parrot for the matweb steal
00:31 < kanzure_> 60778 at the moment.
00:31 < kanzure_> god it's slow.
00:35 < ybit> tor, right
00:35 < kanzure> http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/30/2122205 guess who made slashdot?
00:35 < kanzure> freer :)
00:36 < kanzure> where's freer anyway?
00:37 < ybit> and willpow3r
00:38 < ybit> have a few questions for him concerning his u110
00:38  * ybit is getting another lappy soon
00:41 < kanzure_>  wmii is really fun, I have to admit.
00:50 < kanzure> hm .. joseph's showing up in other spheres. http://jetpress.org/v19/jackson.htm
01:48 < ybit> http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/ http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/arquake/videos/index.html
01:48 < ybit> i think arquake was given attention on some tech news outlet once
02:18 < kanzure> BSTS = bank of the superior temporal sulcus, CAC = caudal anterior cingulate cortex, CMF = caudal middle frontal cortex, CUN = cuneus, ENT = entorhinal cortex, FP = frontal pole, FUS = fusiform gyrus, IP = inferior parietal cortex, IT = inferior temporal cortex, ISTC = isthmus of the cingulate cortex, LOCC = lateral occipital cortex, LOF = lateral orbitofrontal cortex, LING = lingual gyrus, MOF = medial orbitofrontal cortex, MT = middle temporal corte
02:30 < kanzure> http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/ "FreeSurfer is a set of automated tools for reconstruction of the brain's cortical surface from structural MRI data, and overlay of functional MRI data onto the reconstructed surface."
02:31 < kanzure> erm
02:31 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/brainregions.html 
02:34 < ybit> http://www.media.mit.edu/Wearables/mithril/
02:34 < ybit> "MIThril, the next generation research platform for context aware wearable computing. "
02:36 < kanzure_> context aware my ass.
02:40 < percent_> hey
02:40 < percent_> guys
02:40 < percent_> if any of us ever become really close friends and then you decide you hate me and never want to speak with me again and then don't
02:41 < percent_> for four years
02:41 < percent_> don't thereafter contact me and ask for help wit da haxin da yahoo account plz
02:41 < percent_> God, I hate that.
03:01 < bkero> I'm a haxin.
03:24  * ybit wants a price for all the materials listed: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=ps980ejSIf-3DeoBkURvDZQ
03:25 < ybit> that's Bill of Materials file for http://wiki.opengraphics.org./tiki-index.php
03:25 < kanzure_> what's on the page?
03:25 < kanzure_> ohg
03:25 < kanzure_> *oh
03:25 < kanzure_> hm, the server is lagging with keb input
03:25 < kanzure_> *kb
03:27 < bkero> ybit: watcha makin'?
03:28 < ybit> a graphics card perhaps :P
03:28 < bkero> With 256mb ram?
03:29 < bkero> ybit: Did you design this yourself, or get plans for it somewhere?
03:30 < ybit> that's from opengraphics.org
03:30 < ybit> linked below the sheet
03:30 < bkero> I want it to do xvmc
03:46 < gene> simple self-replicating automaton: sand
03:46 < gene> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barchan
03:57 -!- percent_ is now known as aa_aa
03:59 -!- aa_aa is now known as perchlorent
04:01 -!- perchlorent is now known as jihad
04:04 < gene> perchlorent lol
04:04 < gene> yeah
04:04 < gene> NSA
04:04 < gene> probably put you on a watch list for that name
04:05 -!- jihad is now known as k0mrade
04:05 < gene> do you actually own said compound?
04:06 -!- k0mrade is now known as floater
04:21 < fenn> there's no information transferred from dune to dune
04:30 < gene> there is, but very little
04:30 < gene> it's replication, but it's not really useful for anything
04:30 < fenn> not any more of a replicator than a flame or a bubble
04:31 < gene> how can bubbles replicate?
04:31 < fenn> split them in half :)
04:31 < gene> they don't grow though
04:31 < fenn> so what
04:31 < gene> barchans grow
04:31 < fenn> bubbles grow if you add air
04:31 < fenn> or if the gas is evolving from the liquid
04:32 < kanzure_> so do barchans, if you add wind
04:32 < kanzure_> hm
04:32 < kanzure_> :p
04:32 < gene> energy input
04:32 < gene> you have to have an energy input
04:32 < kanzure_> fenn: this isn't working
04:32 < fenn> what isn't working?
04:32 < kanzure_> you're giving him a counter example
04:32 < fenn> logic and reason?
04:32 < kanzure_> so it seems.
04:32 < fenn> maybe i should just fling poo instead
04:33 < gene> as I said barchans aren't useful for the type of replication we want to do
04:33 < kanzure_> type of?
04:33 < kanzure_> what are the differences in the types?
04:34 < gene> we want have a replicating system that is complex enough to do something neat after it has replicated a number of times
04:34 < fenn> i dont think there are any types
04:35 -!- floater is now known as persent
04:35 < gene> close enough
04:36 < gene> there also isn't any wind/gravity/large plane of sand in space(excluding planets and solar wind)
04:37 < gene> so you can't use them to contact aliens
04:37 -!- persent is now known as jihaaad
04:37 < gene> jihaaad are you a chemist?
04:38 < fenn> there are nebulae and various plasmas that could contain such formations
04:38 < jihaaad> I'm a nanoscientist, we do everything, don't we?
04:38 < gene> heh
04:38 < jihaaad> I do a little chemistry, some physics, you know how it is.
04:38 < fenn> i'd say that covers just about everything
04:39 < gene> do you know how to make one of these: http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM53.html#f516
04:39 < fenn> lunar manufacturing facility - why that's simply child's play
04:40 < gene> not really
04:40 < gene> it's harder than it looks
04:40 < fenn> i set one up in the kid's sandbox for fun
04:40 < gene> heh
04:40 < fenn> was hard to find the HF acid though
04:40 < gene> what!
04:40 < gene> you had trouble finding HF?
04:40 < gene> you can make HF quite easily using those canned air things
04:41 < fenn> aroo
04:41 < gene> heat up the gas going out of em, and condense the HF out
04:41 < fenn> well alrighty then
04:41 < gene> good luck keeping it from eating your lungs though
04:42 < jihaaad> uh
04:42 < jihaaad> you had best stay the hell away from HF
04:42 < jihaaad> I don't need to tell you why, either
04:42 < gene> yeah
04:42 < jihaaad> I'll make you a deal, so you don't kill yourself, eh?
04:42  * fenn notes spun basalt on the list of manufactured products
04:42 < jihaaad> You want an oxide layer stripped from something, mail it to me.
04:42 < jihaaad> I'll do it.
04:43 < gene> My highschool chemistry teacher used to tell us about his CRAZY fluorine chemist colleague
04:43 < fenn> i really ought to read ksrm one of these days
04:43 < jihaaad> gene: ?
04:43 < gene> you should
04:43 < fenn> well, months
04:43 < jihaaad> I once walked into what I thought was a poor of hf
04:43 < jihaaad> *pool
04:43 < jihaaad> on the floor
04:43 < jihaaad> i'm pretty fucking stupid 
04:43 < fenn> why was there a pool of HF on the floor?
04:43 < gene> so your shoe didn't catch fire?
04:44 < jihaaad> it wasn't hf
04:44 < jihaaad> but it was a leak from the acid cabinet
04:44 < gene> dang
04:44 < jihaaad> For the record, if you have hf exposure, one of the first signs is a very sour taste in your mouth.
04:44 < fenn> sounds like a bad idea either way
04:44 < fenn> that's the first sign of any kind of acid exposure?
04:44 < jihaaad> Your arms will start to prickle a bit, too.
04:44 < jihaaad> hf specifically
04:44 < gene> and soapy hands are a sign you've picked up a strong base
04:45 < jihaaad> the two to watch the hell out for in any electronics fab facility are HF (sour taste/smell) and soot (nickel carbonyl). 
04:45 < gene> and the base is making soap from your body fats
04:45 < fenn> what is nickel carbonyl used for?
04:45 < jihaaad> Oooh, I'm adding that to the list of incredibly unpleasant ways to die in the lab
04:45 < gene> yeah heard Nickel Carbonyl
04:45 < gene> 'is a bad one
04:45 < jihaaad> fenn: It can be used instead of Ga+ ions in a focused ion beam
04:45 < gene> fucks up your hemoglobin
04:45 < jihaaad> Which, may I add, I have access to.
04:46 < jihaaad> Along with a scanning electron microscope.
04:46 < jihaaad> Which DOES make me better than you.
04:46 < fenn> ah, sorta like carbon monoxide
04:46  * jihaaad turns up nose.
04:46 < gene> oh yeah, watch out for almond smells too
04:46 < gene> that's cyanide
04:47 < gene> We learned that the hard way in chemistry
04:47 < gene> So, Jihaaad what's the easiest way to make microchips?
04:48 < kanzure_> 1) Download all relevant patents and literatures.
04:48 < jihaaad> heh
04:48 < kanzure_> 2) List all relevant machines known to mankind that have ever been used to make microchips.
04:48 < jihaaad> I'm not so great at photo-litho
04:48 < jihaaad> BUT
04:48 < jihaaad> What sort of chip?
04:48 < kanzure_> 3) Assemble a list of all physical mines and locations for the materials. Also list out all possible manufacturers/suppliers. 
04:48 < jihaaad> If you want to do a big ol chip, you need optical litho
04:49 < jihaaad> for a really small, one-off IC
04:49 < jihaaad> you can do ebeam litho
04:49 < jihaaad> You can even use an SEM to do it :D
04:49 < kanzure_> 4) Acquire the materials by literally hunting down the responsible parties. Assemble.
04:49 < gene> heh
04:49 < kanzure_> 5) Make 'microchips'. Not the food.
04:49 < jihaaad> 6) tell kanzure he's gay
04:49 < gene> 6)?????
04:49 < fenn> 7) profit!
04:49 < gene> 7)profit!
04:50 < kanzure_> jihaaad: tell your mom that I
04:50 < kanzure_> meh, you know how it goes
04:50 < kanzure_> everyone else does.
04:50 < fenn> like a bat out of hell
04:51 < jihaaad> Man, this place was way too professional before I got here
04:51 < fenn> so microoptical displays were about $2500 at the time they discontinued
04:52 < jihaaad> now you're finally acting like the scumbags you all are
04:52 < gene> chips for 10M computer
04:52 < jihaaad> makes me feel all worm and fuzzy
04:52 < fenn> 10M?
04:52 < gene> an old unit of measurement
04:52 < fenn> meter?
04:52 < gene> 3.2*10^8 bits
04:52 < fenn> no that's "m"
04:53 < gene> It might be some prefix of words 
04:53 < fenn> gene: mind providing some reference information? i've never heard of this
04:53 < gene> http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5D.html#5d
04:53 < gene> computational requirements for an automated mining robot
04:54 < fenn> guess it was before 8 bit became standard as the byte
04:55 < fenn> since 8 was just the instruction size
04:55 < fenn> or something like that
04:55 < fenn> and he's assuming 32 bit words
04:55 < gene> although, given today's current technology it might be better to go with something a bit meatier
04:55 < gene> the mining robots need to have binocular vision
04:56 < gene> so it probably means they intended them to move real slowly
04:57 < fenn> doesn't say anything about speed, only memory capacity
04:58 < jihaaad> All my robots are very manly.
04:58 < jihaaad> I usually put truck nuts on them.
04:58 < fenn> and bull horns
04:59 < jihaaad> even my nano-devices have balls
05:00 < fenn> introduced the bill on Tuesday under the pretext of safety, claiming that replicas of genitalia could distract drivers, causing accidents.
05:00 < gene> the lunar factory takes a year to replicate
05:00 < gene> pretty good considering it's the size of a city 
05:00 < gene> or small town
05:01 < gene> and that we humans take 9 months to replicate
05:02 < kanzure_> what do you mean it takes a year to replicate? nobody's hashed out all of the tech
05:02 < kanzure_> otherwise I'd have my "implement it now" button
05:02 < gene> it's an estimate
05:02 < jihaaad> I suddenly felt the immensely powerful urge to punch gene in the face.
05:02 < jihaaad> I don't even dislike him.
05:02 < jihaaad> It was just a really intense and abrupt feeling.
05:02 < jihaaad> Disturbing.
05:03 < fenn> there there, it happens to us all the time, don't feel bad
05:03 < gene> NASA likes to do estimates
05:03 < gene> http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/AASM5F.html#5f
05:04 < gene> you know so they can convince congress
05:04 < kanzure_> why?
05:05 < fenn> 1 year is totally arbitrary
05:05 < gene> yeah
05:05 < gene> it is 
05:06 < gene> I personally believe that the hardest part of building a replicator is building something to assemble the parts
05:07 < fenn> so i had this idea to take an oled linear array and reflect it off a vibrating mirror like the old private eye/virtual boy display
05:07 < gene> heh
05:07 < gene> virtual boy
05:07 < kanzure_> virtual boy was a visor, no?
05:07 < gene> INSTANT HEADACHE
05:07 < kanzure_> private eye was monocular :)
05:08 < fenn> eww "Jul 30, 2007 ... Osram GmbH will cease production of OLED-based displays and close the related fab"
05:08 < fenn> wtf
05:08 < fenn> virtual boy was just atrocious engineering
05:08 < fenn> the display technology was fine
05:08 < kanzure_> was that the only guy doing organic LEDs?
05:08 < fenn> they were the only ones selling them...
05:09 < kanzure_> blah
05:09 < gene> not so much atrocious engineering as overhype
05:09 < gene> well you know what this means
05:09 < kanzure_> I wonder why so many people were getting excited about organic LEDs then
05:09 < kanzure_> if it was just all marketing for one company
05:09  * kanzure_ suspects this happens often.
05:09 < fenn> because they are really cool looking
05:09 < gene> flexable displays
05:09 < fenn> it's not just marketing
05:09 < kanzure_> oh, I'm sure they are cool
05:09 < gene> HUEG FLEXIBLE DISPLAYS
05:10 < gene> that look like stuff out Bladerunner
05:10 < kanzure_> my perl script for working with the xml files kind of blew up today
05:11 < gene> file transfer not working?
05:11 < kanzure_> the data::dumper failed me or something when I was working with XML::Simple.
05:11 < kanzure_> no, all of the files are available now
05:11 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo.tgz <-- there you go, gene
05:11 < gene> I don't know perl
05:11 < jihaaad> okay
05:11 < jihaaad> shit
05:11 < jihaaad> i have a chem question
05:12 < jihaaad> anyone want to help me?
05:12 < gene> with?
05:12 < gene> purifying hydrogen peroxide?
05:12 < gene> making perchlorate?
05:12 < kanzure_> gene: that link isn't perl
05:12 < kanzure_> it's an archive. kind of like zip.
05:12 < jihaaad> I have 16.25g of Al (.602 mol), and 8.28g of Br2 (.052 mol). The balanced stoichiometric equation is 2Al + 3Br2 --> Al2Br6. How much product forms? I know the limiting reactant is Br2, but how can I calculate the mass of the product from that?
05:13 < fenn> need masses of al and br
05:13 < fenn> per mol
05:13 < kanzure_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum
05:13 < gene> calculate the number of moles
05:13 < kanzure_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromine
05:13 < gene> of each component then work from their
05:14 < gene> *there
05:14 < fenn> so aluminum is 26.981539 amu, times 6.02e23 =  0.026971942 kg/mol
05:15 < jihaaad> Al2Br6= 533.36 g/mol
05:15 < gene> Homework?
05:15 < jihaaad> ya
05:15 < jihaaad> I like chemistry, though, don't get me wrong
05:15 < gene> freshman?
05:15 < jihaaad> this is optional hw, not even on the test
05:16 < jihaaad> No.
05:16 < jihaaad> Just an easy course.
05:16 < jihaaad> Sophomore.
05:16 < gene> I am a freshman
05:16 < jihaaad> This question is really simple, I'm embarassed for not getting it
05:16 < gene> that's what google is for
05:17 < jihaaad> Anyone know what I'm missing?
05:17 < fenn> * .052/6 = .23357g al + 0.52mol*br
05:18 < jihaaad> fenn: explain
05:18 < fenn> i'm not done yet
05:18 < jihaaad> I don't get it.
05:18 < fenn> oh crap i missed a 2 somewhere
05:18 < fenn> .052 mol of br2 right? not br
05:18 < jihaaad> aha
05:19 < jihaaad> I got it
05:19 < jihaaad> It was .017
05:19 < fenn> .017 what
05:19 < jihaaad> .017 mol/Al2Br6
05:19 < jihaaad> you should have divided by 3
05:19 < jihaaad> not 6
05:19 < jihaaad> because
05:19 < fenn> yes
05:19 < jihaaad> original reactant was br2
05:20 < fenn> i wish gnu units could handle arbitrary symbols
05:20 < fenn> (without hacking the conf files)
05:21 < fenn> hm
05:21 < fenn> units aluminum Definition: 26.981539
05:21 < jihaaad> open source software is gay
05:21 < gene> you did not just say that
05:21 < jihaaad> oh yes i did
05:21 < jihaaad> and i'll say it again too
05:21 < kanzure_> gene: you're on Windows ..
05:21 < gene> I am 
05:21 < gene> But I use open office
05:21 < jihaaad> see, you hate open source software
05:21 < gene> So I'm not that evil
05:22 < jihaaad> I have a VERY good reason to hate open source software
05:22 < fenn> open office is gay
05:22 < fenn> (by deduction of course)
05:22 < jihaaad> the reason is...
05:22 < jihaaad> I use Gentoo
05:22 < jihaaad> not just Gentoo
05:22 < jihaaad> but Gentoo Hardened
05:22 < jihaaad> cuz im paranoiddd
05:23 < fenn> you're not making any sense
05:23 < fenn> snap out of it man!
05:23 < jihaaad> Using Gentoo will make you hate open source software
05:23 < gene> 4096 bit key for the win
05:23 < jihaaad> I also do happen to think open source software is kind of pointless. 
05:23 < jihaaad> I mean...it's all open source.
05:23 < fenn> the source is just out there..
05:23 < jihaaad> Just not in the convenient, give-it-to-me-now format that people expect it in
05:23 < fenn> anyone can see it!
05:24 < jihaaad> it's in assembly
05:24 < fenn> huh?
05:24 < kanzure_> not convenient?
05:24 < jihaaad> disassemble it, you dongs
05:24 < kanzure_> how inconvenient is "apt-get install omg my softwares" ?
05:24 < jihaaad> GOD INVENTED GDB FOR A REASON
05:24 < fenn> jihaaad: the whole universe is open source then, because it's all out there
05:24 < kanzure_> Wasn't that RMS?
05:24 < jihaaad> kanzure: what is this apt you speak of
05:25 < fenn> including your precious precious encrypted data
05:25 < kanzure_> jihaaad: your synaptic, I think
05:25 < kanzure_> or yum
05:25 < kanzure_> what does gentoo have for repositories?
05:25 < fenn> emerge, sorta
05:25 < kanzure_> ah right
05:25 < fenn> except it's more of a pain in the ass and you have to wait around while stuff compiles
05:25 < kanzure_> do you get to pre configure upfront?
05:26 < fenn> though we could have some kind of world wide ccache/distcc going on
05:26 < jihaaad> nope
05:26 < jihaaad> i'm portage, baby
05:26 < kanzure_> distcc?
05:26 < jihaaad> compile it alllllll yourself
05:26 < jihaaad> you kids today dont even roll your own kernels
05:26 < fenn> so your machine generates the hash for your particular source tree and configuration, then you compile it and upload the result to anyone with the same config/src
05:26 < jihaaad> raise your hands if you've even seen menuconfig 
05:26 < fenn> kernels are stupid
05:27 < jihaaad> YOU TAKE THAT BACK
05:27 < jihaaad> TAKE IT BACK FENN
05:27 < fenn> userspace ftw
05:27 < jihaaad> YOU TAKE IT BACK RIGHT THE FUCK NOW OR I'LL FUCKING RAPE YOU
05:27 < gene> Kernals are on corn
05:27 < jihaaad> ya YA YA
05:27 < gene> that is how much I know about software
05:27 < jihaaad> arent you guyz like biohaxors or somethin
05:28 < gene> yeah genes!=softwares
05:28  * fenn looks at gene funny
05:28 < fenn> sure about that?
05:28 < jihaaad> oh yes they are
05:28 < jihaaad> hell
05:28 < jihaaad> You're closer to an assembly coder than most.
05:29 < gene> Do you know what a goto statement is?
05:29 < jihaaad> absolutely
05:29 < fenn> there's no equivalent of a kernel in a cell, since everything is happening all at once (parallel) so no time slicing
05:29 < gene> and why programmers aren't supposed to use it
05:29 < jihaaad> gene: Myth.
05:29 < jihaaad> Djikstra was an asshole.
05:29 < jihaaad> Don't listen to him.
05:29 < jihaaad> "Goto considered harmful"?
05:30 < jihaaad> yeah, if you're a dweeb and scared to code in x86, maybe
05:30 < fenn> it's the functional programming equivalent of OOP madness
05:30 < jihaaad> You more or less HAVE to use goto in asm
05:30 < fenn> but x86 has nothing to do with it
05:30 < jihaaad> yes it does
05:30 < jihaaad> x86 instruction set
05:30 < fenn> nuh wai
05:30 < jihaaad> yuh huh
05:30 < gene> it's not harmful it just makes i hard for other people add stuff to your code was what my computer teacher told us
05:30 < jihaaad> oh
05:31 < jihaaad> I'm an assembly coder, nobody gives a flying fuck what I do
05:31 < fenn> coding in asm is a waste of time these days
05:31 < jihaaad> fenn: wrong
05:31 < jihaaad> you try backdooring a tcp stack without it.
05:31 < fenn> x86 is a bunch of crap
05:31 < jihaaad> You do realize I'm a black hat, right?
05:31 < gene> promotors are "almost" like goto statements I believe
05:31 < gene> heh
05:31 < fenn> step up to a real processor architecture like ARM
05:32 < fenn> the only reason anyone learned asm was to hack closed source software
05:32 < fenn> but we dont have to do that anymore
05:32 < kanzure_> fenn: he's talking about injecting assembly to go trolling through tcp stacks.
05:32 < fenn> yes i know
05:32 < kanzure_> k
05:33 < kanzure_> just making sure.
05:33 < jihaaad> fenn: uh
05:33 < jihaaad> we don't?
05:33 < jihaaad> yes we do
05:33 < fenn> why?
05:33 < jihaaad> YOU find a buffer overflow without it
05:33 -!- gene is now known as ihavenoideawhaty
05:33 < jihaaad> You're not getting it
05:33 < kanzure_> gene needs to become a programmer
05:33 < jihaaad> i am not doing this for legal or legit reasons
05:33 < jihaaad> i am a bad, mean, malicious hacker
05:34 < fenn> ooo scarey
05:34 < jihaaad> i would gladly write rootkits
05:34 < jihaaad> that sort of thing
05:34 < kanzure_> you keep telling yourself that
05:34 < ihavenoideawhaty> that's why I am taking a programming class Kanzure
05:34 < kanzure_> classes suck.
05:34 < jihaaad> oh ya
05:34 < fenn> i just dont see the point i guess
05:34 < ihavenoideawhaty> go poison some DNS jihaaad
05:34 < jihaaad> wanna talk about your security mr. someone is trying to csrf me
05:34 -!- ihavenoideawhaty is now known as gene
05:34 < jihaaad> I'll do a lot worse than poison DNS
05:34 < jihaaad> I'll have sex
05:34 < jihaaad> with your mom
05:35 < jihaaad> ...
05:35 < jihaaad> WHILE SNIFFING YOUR TRAFFIC
05:35 < kanzure_> you'll hook him up to OpenDNS? ;-)
05:35 < gene> could you get 80kgs of americium delivered to my house?
05:35 < fenn> opening a smoke detector factory?
05:36 < gene> yes, that's the reason
05:36 < gene> that is the reason
05:36 < kanzure_> gene wants to walk around with an 80 kg radioactive battery pack for his laptop
05:36 < fenn> so nice to see the entrepreneuring spirit making a comeback
05:36 < fenn> pfwa why not just carry around 80kg of li-ion batts
05:36 < fenn> or a tank of gasoline and genset
05:37 < gene> 80kgs of americium is enough to make so much more than an atomic battery
05:37 < fenn> enlighten us o radioactive one
05:37 < gene> you could make an atomic bomb with 80 kgs of americium
05:37 < jihaaad> gene: do not ask about that online
05:37 < gene> http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/spin/index.html
05:38 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/
05:38 < kanzure_> check the mindat zip file
05:38 < gene> it is not possible to build an atomic bomb with americium
05:38 < jihaaad> Do not ask about things like that when you're not encrypted
05:38 < jihaaad> americium = dirty bomb shit
05:38 < kanzure_> Oh please.
05:38 < gene> I don't think there is enough americium in the world in one place to do such a thing
05:38 < kanzure_> I've been unencrpyted for decades, and you have little idea what shit I've been pulling off.
05:38 < gene> jihaaad I shall heed your warning
05:39 < gene> maybe we should start using one time pad encryption
05:39 < gene> it is uncrackable 
05:39 < kanzure_> what the hell for ?
05:39 < gene> it is uncrackable
05:39 < jihaaad> es
05:39 < kanzure_> why do you need encryption?
05:39 < jihaaad> yes :D
05:39 < kanzure_> what do you have to hide?
05:39 < kanzure_> and from who?
05:40 < gene> no matter the amount of computation power NSA has 
05:40 < jihaaad> kanzure: ...
05:40 < gene> they will never crack one time pad
05:40 < jihaaad> gene: My girlfriend thought it was really funny to write me a letter with a one time pad
05:40 < gene> neat
05:40 < gene> you ever read cryptomoicon?
05:40 < jihaaad> I need to.
05:40 < gene> yeah
05:40 < gene> you know what van eeck phreaking is?
05:41  * fenn snorez
05:41 < gene> you can do it with LCDs
05:41 < fenn> they can read your mind man
05:41 < gene> they can't read my mind
05:41 < fenn> but you can stop it with a tinfoil hat
05:41 < gene> I'm wearing a tinfoil hat
05:42 < gene> actually a copper gauze hay
05:42 < fenn> no it has to be a special design purchased from fennetic security industries
05:42 < gene> OH NO!
05:43 < gene> I shall have to unload lot's of money into your company to buy your useless product to protect me from government brain control rays
05:43 < gene> there are some pseudoscience things I can't believe people actually bought
05:44 < gene> potassium DIFUCKINGCHROMATE supplements
05:44 < fenn> eek
05:44 < fenn> eeck :)
05:44 < gene> yeah
05:44 < fenn> how do you pronounce that anyway
05:44 < kanzure_> the 'fucking' is silent
05:45 < gene> people ate something more toxic than lead to 'improve' their health
05:45 < gene> this was in the 1990s
05:45 < gene> not 1850
05:49 < fenn> http://www.ka7oei.com/oled_pelorus4l.jpg http://www.ka7oei.com/oled_pelorus2_l.jpg
05:49 < fenn> seem to remember that being smaller, oh well
05:49 < gene> what's that?
05:49 < gene> radar?
05:50 < gene> oh OLEDs
05:50 < gene> damn
05:50 < gene> too bad they don't make those anymore
05:51 < fenn> for "doppler DF" tracking, whatever that means
05:51 < gene> how simple is it to do?
05:51 < fenn> i think its something like radar
05:52 < fenn> anyway it was the oled display i was interested in
05:52 < gene> could you do it with vacuum tubes?
05:53 < kanzure_> the part repository specfies what different parts and subcomponents transfer to one another - matter/energy/etc. For two metal solids/plates that are next to one another, maybe it could be said it supports solid stability as the material/energy to the overall structure. 
05:53 < kanzure_> 'stability' being a distributed property of the system of parts
05:53  * kanzure_ crashes
05:53 < gene> SWEET!
05:54 < gene> Well, I'm goggling out
11:54 < fenn> Pursuant to secret Presidential Order 17196 all personal computers manufactured since September 11, 2001 contain an embedded thermite detonation device. Repeated attempts to access restricted areas could result in a self destruct command being transmitted to your computer. 
12:14 < kanzure> restricated areas of what, hard drives?
12:14 < kanzure> Also, what if you're just going to work ?
12:43 < kanzure> Has anyone here done any linear programming before?
12:43 < kanzure> anything about quadtrees and multidimensional spatial data processing, i.e. O(n^2) (or better?) directional access to members of the spatial dimensions near some node in the space?
15:49  * ybit waves goodbye
15:50  * bkero waves back.
15:50 < bkero> I found a place to live. 8)
15:50 < bkero> Also, I want to be in New Jersey tonight.
15:50 < bkero> Fuck that sounds awful.
16:13 < kanzure___> eh?
16:48 < bkero> Jersey
17:14 < kanzure___> fenn: 
17:14 < kanzure___> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/prettyrepo.zip
17:14 < kanzure___> instead of 400 bajillion megabytes,
17:14 < kanzure___> it's now 600 KB.
17:15 < fenn> ah nice, i already downloaded the 300mb one though
17:15 < kanzure___> hahah
17:15 < kanzure___> yeah that was my evil plan all along :)
17:17 < kanzure___> anyway, I've figured out a few perl/xml scripts to play with the nonsense. doesn't really do anything.
17:17 < kanzure___> this is really the sort of thing that belongs in a mysql database
17:18 < kanzure___> then I'd separate the subfunctions from their components (or whatever this stupid ontology is) and show mix-and-match nonsense (ignoring actual interfacing issues, 'course)
17:37 < kanzure___> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/latest_script_output.txt <- 1.2 MB output file. Lists subfunctions and the various flows between different components, erm, sort of. 
17:37 < kanzure___> It's not all that specific in the details of the flows at the moment, but that seems to be a turtlelayeraddition issue
17:39 < fenn> gasp readable text
17:40 < fenn> did we ever figure out what they were trying to do with the flow connections? (function matrix)
17:41 < kanzure___> my best guess is that it's like a metaphor for 
17:41 < kanzure___> oh crap, I just realized that the txt file is basically yaml :p
17:41 < fenn> yeah
17:41 < kanzure___> anyway, a metaphor for "your PDF app doesn't take HTML as input"
17:42 < kanzure___> so if you were automatically designing scripts or something, you wouldn't be stupid and have an HTML-only app take PDF, blah blah blah
17:42 < fenn> or at least what i wish yaml would accept
17:42 < kanzure___> same thing with parts. I think.
17:42 < kanzure___> did you run it through a quick loader script or something?
17:42 < kanzure___> http://heybryan.org/docs/ should have an old py file that's supposed to load/check yaml
17:42 < kanzure___> or something.
17:43 < fenn> no, its just last time i messed with yaml it was a pain in the ass
17:43 < kanzure___> specifics?
17:43 < fenn> 'yer doin it wrong' more or less
17:43 < kanzure___> but, as for the 'function matrix', no clue. the output on their server basically shows that their function matrices are useless.
17:43 < kanzure___> information content = 0 :(
17:44 < fenn> it's just 1's along the diagonal basically?
17:45 < kanzure___> yes
17:45 < kanzure___> did you look? that's exactly what it is.
17:45 < fenn> so all we need to do is multiply the inverse of the function matrix of a gun and a cigarette and we'll get a magical machine that makes happy bunnies and flowers
17:45 < kanzure___> even when you select multiple (all!) of the products in their db
17:45 < kanzure___> heh
17:45 < kanzure___> that could be arranged ;)
17:47 < kanzure___> off to chem. next thingy is db table structure. then queries to show that the subfunctions/flows are cross-referenceable to an appropriate extent.
18:44 < pk> bryan
18:44 < pk> are you there?
18:44 < pk> or anyone for that matter
18:49 < fenn> meep
18:50 < fenn> no, i'm not here, i'm asleep
18:50 < pk> do you know of any evidence that shows that children get dopamine rewards from doing what they think their parents consider "good"?
19:05 < pk> woo
19:05 < pk> welcome back
19:45 < kanzure___> pk: somewhat.
19:45 < kanzure___> http://web.archive.org/web/*/reciprocality.org/ might have some information, but not heavily referenced
19:46 < kanzure___> I also don't understand how you can call it a 'dopamine reward' .. it's only a 'reward' in the folk psych sense, that doesn't explain what's actually going on
19:47 < kanzure___> as for the db. I think I'll just throw any element into the db in its own table with its own unique id. then, all children in their own tables will say that their parentID is that object/superset. is this an ok db design?
20:00 < facefaceface> did you know cloning is dead?
20:01 < facefaceface> long live cloning!
20:01 < facefaceface> I'm just catching up on some reading
20:01 < facefaceface> did you know the technology exists right now to grow a new you?
20:01 < facefaceface> right this very day!
20:01 < facefaceface> It got me excited again, even though I already knew about it... somehow the implications hadn't sunk in
20:02 < facefaceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18371336
20:02 < facefaceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18157115
20:02 < facefaceface> forget cloning! Lets clone!
20:03 < facefaceface> what do you think would happen if you grafted a second brain on to your own?
20:03 < facefaceface> Do you think I could grow another arm? I could type 3 times as fast!
20:04 < facefaceface> (not sure how that would work exactly...)
20:04 < facefaceface> next time you need a new liver, demand your own!
20:04 < facefaceface> got a rare brain disease? let us grow some of it in a dish and see whats up...
20:04 < facefaceface> all from a pin prick
20:05 < facefaceface> I don't know how this has excaped the media attention... seems the 'good' stem cells are some how under the radar of the general public
20:05 < UtopiahGHML> « corticogenèse in vitro » (Nature 17th of
20:05 < UtopiahGHML> August)
20:05 < facefaceface> hi
20:06 < facefaceface> evolutionary computational dynamics = jim crutchfield
20:06 < facefaceface> you were talking like one of his 'evolutiobnary agents'
20:06 < facefaceface> adaptive modelling agents
20:06 < facefaceface> well.. take care
20:07 < kanzure___> fenn - http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/table_structures.txt is my proposal. there's a few spots where I am a bit hazy atm.
20:45 < kanzure___> okay, so there's a lot of redundancy in this data set
20:45 < kanzure___> that being said, what's the lesser evil?
20:45 < kanzure___> do I want to check for duplicates as I add them, or just prune the db later?
20:47 < kanzure___> adding duplicates means that I have cross-references all over the place and that would be a pain to prune.
20:48 < kanzure___> guess I'll just do a search for pre-existing qualifying matches before I add anything into the db. yikes.
20:50 < kanzure___> blah. overhead walking times just to get the foods. /me puts off the perl-mysql interface nonsense.
23:17 < kanzure> interesting
23:17 < kanzure> it turns out that it's hard toget deep enough into the torrenting community to actually release data
23:18 < kanzure> there's no "click here to rapidshare" (not rapidshare, but "rapidly share")
23:20 < kanzure> http://filesharefreak.com/2008/04/27/private-tracker-irc-channel-index/ guess this might do it.
23:30 < pk> back
23:31 < pk> so, bryan, what on this site are you referring to?
23:32 < kanzure> the list.