--- Day changed Sun Oct 19 2008
00:00 < kanzure> How's xp_prg's work going ?
00:00 < splicer> it seems to me Austin Texas is the transhumanist mecca
00:01 < kanzure> Bay Area is the most sacred .. that's where everyone is. That or Boston.
00:02 < splicer> hehe
00:04 < splicer> googling 'boston transhumanist' the first entry is a video by wrldpc
00:04 < splicer> small world
00:04 < wrldpc> no shit
00:05 < splicer> fact!
00:05 < kanzure> Splicer: Smaller than you might suspect. I get recognized at a Make Faire more than I recognize other people.
00:05 < splicer> we'll you're kindof famous
00:05 < wrldpc> So Alec Resnick from nublabs is in Austin for MAKE?
00:05 < wrldpc> That's cool.
00:05 < kanzure> wrldpc: Yes, Alec's there.
00:05 < wrldpc> Yeah you're a legend, Bry.
00:05 < kanzure> We had our awkward moment together.
00:06 < wrldpc> he sold you a hard drive?
00:06 < kanzure> "Yeah Bryan, I'm Alec. Alec Resnick." "Oh fuck." "yeah." "So the hard drive is in the mail?" "Yep." 
00:06 < kanzure> No, I'm just dumping shit on it.
00:06 < wrldpc> Is any of this stuff from Convergence 08 up yet?
00:06 < kanzure> this?
00:06 < wrldpc> I mean
00:06 < wrldpc> not C
00:07 < kanzure> Splicer: What do you mean by famous, or wlrdpc, how am I legend if I haven't actually done anything?
00:07 < wrldpc> uh, the Singularity Summit
00:07 < wrldpc> No, it's what you're doing.
00:07 < kanzure> Sitting around yelling at everyone? :-)
00:07 < wrldpc> heh
00:07 < wrldpc> yes.
00:07 < wrldpc> compiling data.
00:08 < splicer> Kanz: your tracks are everywhere
00:08 < wrldpc> mwahahaha
00:09 < wrldpc> I need to make songs about this stuff.  I'm largely useless.
00:09 < splicer> hehe: wrldpc: I whish I could do what you do
00:10 < wrldpc> ha
00:10 < wrldpc> don't flatter me! :P
00:10 < wrldpc> but thanks.
00:10 < wrldpc> oh yeah wait
00:10 < wrldpc> wish you could do what I do ..
00:10 < wrldpc> you mean nothing substantial?
00:10 < wrldpc> it's actually VERY EASY.
00:11 < splicer> there is a sort of laid back art thing you do
00:12 < splicer> is kanz doing anything substanisal?
00:12 < splicer> hehehe
00:16 < kanzure> Somebody tell xp_prg that http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy/ already uses javascript/ajax/prototype and just needs to be wired into the backend synbioss stuff. 
00:17 < kanzure> It would be a simple task to just edit it such that nodes are given some extra information like 'type' or something. The disply format sent to the graphviz backend is just dia/dot format, but there can be extra information that the user client state has for the design/system such as the 'type' for the node of course.
00:21 < kanzure> wget -p fails to get javascritp requisites for a page.
00:28 < kanzure>  /cgi-bin/graph/graph-easy-render <-- Any ideas on what this is? It's somewhere on the bloodgate.com server.
00:29 < kanzure> I'm sure it's somehow using Graph::Easy from CPAN, but that's not the encapsulating script there.
00:29 < kanzure> http://search.cpan.org/~tels/Graph-Easy/bin/graph-easy
00:29 < fenn> splicer: is anyone doing anything substantial?
00:29 < kanzure> No.
00:30 < kanzure> http://bloodgate.com/cgi-bin/graph/graph-easy-render <-- huh, shows an output without actually sending it anything
00:30 < kanzure> Looks like it's just generating HTML output of a graph. Hrm. Maybe it's just Graph::Easy set in HTML output mode.
00:31 < kanzure> i.e., as http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo/
00:34 < kanzure> bug on graph-easy with the edge-adder; needs to allow you to select the nodes that you want to create edges to (if that was something that is to be allowed of course ..)
00:35 < kanzure> Instead of forcing you to type it in, I mean.
00:37 < kanzure> more bugs: https://mailman.research.att.com/pipermail/graphviz-interest/2007q3/004721.html
00:41 < splicer> fenn: I noticed when I said that that maybe I should have shut up. It has to do with an old discussion with kanz about how maybe it's better to do one thing well and finish it than many many things concurrently.
00:43 < fenn> except "and finish it" means it becomes your career and you have no life
00:43 < splicer> not finishing things can be that too
00:43 < fenn> sure
00:44 < kanzure> Splicer: I didn't answer you because when you asked whether or not I'm doing anything substantial it reminded me to go do Stuff.
00:45 < kanzure> fenn: Steve suggested I try to get gene playing chess, since that's a situation where you need some sufficiently broad overview of the possibility space before you make your move. Of course, that might not work since I didn't understand that when I started playing (I was more focused on actually making moves, and didn't discover the point to strategizing until later.)
00:47 < kanzure> Was Firefox's tools for debugging javascript ever able to capture AJAX requests? 
00:47 < kanzure> Hrm, maybe there's something built into prototype just for this purpose.
00:58 < kanzure> Huh, so according to graph.js there's just a direct request in Graph_update_graph() with 'code' being sent over to the perl script (don't know what the 'postfix' variable is doing there); 
00:58 < kanzure> there's also a parser above that chunk of code for parsing the request .. which is just some chomp()ing / formatting fixes that are directly written to the page (HTML or SVG stuffs, etc.) 
01:04 < kanzure> if we wanted to be jerks we could just wire this in directly to partsregistry.org's Dsomethingsomething output service but I don't recall there being much information there
01:04 < kanzure> where is synbioss getting its modeling information from? 
01:05 < kanzure> They're doing various ODEs, such as on that biomodelwiki page that I linked to once before, but that information isn't readily available from partsregistry.org :-/
01:47 < xp_prg> kanzure what is up with the project page?
01:59 < kanzure> Hrm.
01:59 < kanzure> Huh. Wrong username.
01:59 -!- kanzure is now known as kanzure_
02:34 < drazak> kanzure_1_: you here?
03:13 < kanzure> Heh. I wonder for how long I would have tried brctl, bridge-utils, ipmasq, and friends with the wrong type of ethernet wire. 
03:13 < kanzure> (Not that anything's working with the right ethernet cabling anyway though.)
04:13 < kanzure> Server should be back up later tonight. 
04:17 < kanzure> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/3218944/Japans-young-turn-to-Communist-Party-as-they-decide-capitalism-has-let-them-down.html <-- I like how everyone misses all of the real issues in this article.
05:24 -!- mindspillage is now known as mind|wandering
14:06 < kanzure> "Spatio-temporal electrical stimuli shape behavior of an embodied cortical network in a goal-directed learning task"
14:07 < kanzure> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2559979
14:09 < kanzure> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003355 Granger causality between spiking neurons
14:10 < kanzure>  "Causal Measures of Structure and Plasticity in Simulated and Living Neural Networks" <-- DeMarse's group.
14:35  * drazak sits on kanzure until he gives him nature molbio and nature biochem
14:40 < nsh_> hmmm
14:40 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh
14:41 < nsh> kanzure, what real issues in the japanese-students->communism article?
14:43 < kanzure> How undefined 'jobs' are in the first place. The young Japanese guys go to their communist parties after they realize that the current policies suck. So they band together with communism? As if the inherent nature of "communist" policies won't turn out to suck as much too?
14:44  * nsh nods
14:47 < nsh> regardless of the degree to which the other camp's prospects are inherently better, the very act of migration from the prevailing regieme has a destabalising influence that is a necessary precursor to the precipitation of novel solutions
14:47 < nsh> *regime
14:47 < nsh> you have to pull apart the lego bricks before you can build a new model
14:48 < nsh> so it's not necessary the final result of these people's adoption of communist policies that is important
14:48 < nsh> but the flux in transition between the two dogma
14:49 < kanzure> Meh. I thought the Japanese were smarter than this.
14:49 < nsh> the deconstructionary period allows for the import of new ideas
14:49  * nsh smiels
14:49 < nsh> *smiles
14:49 < nsh> read: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17756068
15:01 < kanzure> http://flickr.com/photos/steevithak/sets/72157608138769364/ Austin Maker Faire photos
15:13 < kanzure> Somebody please ping heybryan.org and check to see that the IP is not 66.112.232.108.
15:14 < drazak> nope, .98
15:14 < kanzure> Yay.
15:14 < kanzure> Okay. 
15:14 < kanzure> Server is back up.
15:15 < kanzure> Mostly. There's a few things I haven't done yet. But there's 400 GB of extra data on it now.
15:24 < drazak> including nature molbio/biochem?
15:25 < kanzure> Not as such. I just have a giant dir of (most of?) all Nature papers.
15:26 < drazak> :o
15:26 < drazak> linksies
15:27 < kanzure> This will take forever to load: http://localhost/nature/
15:27 < kanzure> blah
15:27 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/nature/
15:28 < kanzure> 122,000 papers, so the indexing process sucks.
15:28 < drazak> how big's the dir?
15:28 < kanzure> 8 MB.
15:28 < kanzure> 8 MB index, 40 GB of papers.
15:29 < kanzure> Yay it just started loading for me.
15:30 < drazak> that's no fun, they're not by actual paper issh
15:30 < drazak> :S
15:30 < drazak> s/issh/issue/
15:30 < kanzure> I don't see YOU stealing nature.
15:31 < drazak> ?
15:31 < drazak> I'd steal it
15:46 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh
15:48 < kanzure> http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy-beta/
15:52 < kanzure> k. got it.
15:53 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/graph/
15:54 < UtopiahGHML>  The graph-easy AJAX interface failed to load properly.
15:54 < UtopiahGHML> Please enable Javascript and reload the page. 
15:54 < kanzure> blah
15:54 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/graph/tels.zip (dir now shows)
17:04 < ybit> http://www.smartmobs.com/2008/10/15/lecture-videos-run-on-fast-forward/ -- heh, didn't know so many did this, i thought i was one of the few 
17:06 < UtopiahGHML> :)
17:26  * nsh isn't clevel enough
17:26 < elias`> mplayer -af scaletempo ftw
17:26 < nsh> to spell
17:27 < kanzure> " But the students say they can absorb the information faster than the professors deliver it." <--- Yay.
17:27 < elias`> it's weird only like debian-multimedia's version seems to have the filter though
17:28 < kanzure> We possibly have a deal with Chris Sypolt with http://onlinemetals.com/ 
17:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThyssenKrupp
17:30 < kanzure> Ah. " ThyssenKrupp is one of the world's largest steel producers."
17:30 < kanzure> And onlinemetals.com is the best they can do?
17:30 < kanzure> I was talking with Chris and he's excited about the B2B ebXML stuff. I offered my services to him, to do it freely and quickly, and he does want to go through with it, though it sounds like they were resistant to my offer.
17:31 < kanzure> ' As of 2008 25.01% of the company shares are held by the Alfried Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach Foundation.
'
17:31 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfried_Krupp_von_Bohlen_und_Halbach
17:31 < elias`> I think it might be worth it to design and manufacture a mobile device that had something like these: OMAP3530 and FPGA for reconfigurable computing. Also internal HSDPA, GPS, (digital?) video input that is possibly split to HD encoder/recorder and AR processing, maybe digital video output, some wifi probably and bluetooth
17:31 < kanzure> ' often referred to as Alfried Krupp, was a member of the 400-year Krupp dynasty of industrialists in Germany, and head of the Krupp company, which is now part of ThyssenKrupp, during World War II. '
17:31 < elias`> Pandora sells for ?200 and has many of the features, with only an initial batch of 3000 units
17:31 < kanzure> elias`: You refer to "the ultimate connection configurator."
17:32 < kanzure> Everyone always wants to make the ultimate 'port' system. USB + RS232 + RCJ45 + LTP + firewire + .. etc.
17:33 < elias`> yeah. :p
17:33 < kanzure> Not that I'm stopping you.
17:33 < kanzure> I wonder what the difference between an 'industrialist' and 'capitalist' is.
17:33 < kanzure> Is there an 'industrialism'? Hrm. On Wikipedia, 'industrialist' redirects to 'Business magnate'.
17:34 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Businesspeople_in_mining
17:34 < kanzure> How many of these are not dead? Yes, I know, semantic mediawiki would answer this for me. Blah.
17:34 < UtopiahGHML> http://seedea.free.fr/share/ebooks.txt
17:34 < UtopiahGHML> anybody want 1 book from the collection ? 5min before deletion
17:35 < kanzure> Yes.
17:35 < kanzure> All of it.
17:35 < kanzure> Size?
17:35 < UtopiahGHML> all of 1 book, good idea, which one?
17:35 < kanzure> No, all of the books.
17:36 < UtopiahGHML> well my pipe can't handle it, 15ko/s upload or so
17:36 < UtopiahGHML> it's 3Gb total
17:36 < kanzure> I can handle that.
17:37 < UtopiahGHML> 4min left
17:37 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: Why are you removing it?
17:37 < UtopiahGHML> light traveler philosophy, being zen and minimalist
17:42 < UtopiahGHML> ok, no request?
17:54 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: Maybe the Leibniz collection.
17:59 < UtopiahGHML> http://seedea.free.fr/share/Leibniz,%20Gottfried%20Wilhelm.tar
18:02 < kanzure> I'm getting 100 KB/sec.
18:02 < kanzure> Okay, 30.
18:03 < nsh_> what is it, UtopiahGHML?
18:03 < kanzure> Leibniz papers.
18:03 < nsh_> Leibniz's complete works?
18:03 < nsh_> ah
18:03 < kanzure> Hah.
18:03 < nsh_> in english?
18:03 < kanzure> No, not his complete works.
18:03 < nsh_> pft, work harder
18:03 < nsh_> :-)
18:04 < kanzure> Leibniz is me hero.
18:04  * nsh_ smiles
18:06 < kanzure> Leibniz must have been an Asimov. Asimov would wake at six and not stop writing until midnight, when he would proceed to sleep and begin the cycle once more.
18:06 < kanzure> However this makes me wonder how it gave Leibniz time to think.
18:08 -!- marcel_qo9h is now known as marcel
18:09  * nsh_ does his best thinking while writing
18:09 < nsh_> which is why i try to do as little of it as possible.
18:09 < nsh_> one you start giving a trestle to your musings, you'll have a damnable garden in no time
18:14 < kanzure> Has anyone noticed how unused folders often are?
18:14 < kanzure> I always find it facinating to find somebody who has a lot of folders of really interesting things. 
18:14 < kanzure> In the majority of cases, people with computers hardly have files to keep track of at all in the first place, which is unfortunate.
18:15 < kanzure> Okay. Enough complaining from me .. time to get back to work.
18:21 < kanzure> " Exmocare wristwatch  .. physiological monitoring.. send alerts to loved ones via SMS, email, or instant messaging"  (CPAN is installing Graph::Easy, so give me a break ;-)
18:22 -!- splicer_ is now known as splicer
18:34 < kanzure> it works: http://heybryan.org/graph/bloodgate.com/graph-easy/
18:34 < kanzure> Don't forget to chmod the damn script.
18:36 < UtopiahGHML> ok, "To Digest" folder cleaned :)
18:37 < kanzure> Any digestable "To Digest" folder is definitively far, far too small.
18:38 < UtopiahGHML> that's why I deleted it
18:42 < kanzure> This is annoying.
18:42 < kanzure> The synbioss web service has no src download linkage.
18:44 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php
18:46 < kanzure> http://www.cems.umn.edu/research/kaznessis/
18:47 < kanzure> Yiannis@cems.umn.edu
18:47 < kanzure> Phone: 612-624-4197
18:48 < kanzure> http://www.cems.umn.edu/about/people/facdetail.php?cemsid=20274
18:49  * kanzure is uberstalker
18:49 < kanzure> http://www.cems.umn.edu/~yiannis/
18:50 < splicer> that the recession is going to produce a shitload of really good manga and other art?
18:50 < kanzure> Ooh.
18:51 < UtopiahGHML> splicer: as in everybody become Otaku because virtual life is cheaper than real life?
18:51  * kanzure is listening to Animeinforadio at the moment.
18:51 < kanzure> Argh. Animenfo radio.
18:51 < kanzure> Anyway. I really hate this yiannis fellow so far.
18:51 < kanzure> Do we have any umn goons?
18:53 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface.js
18:54 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/tutorial1.html
18:55 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/david_perry_on_videogames.html TED Talks David Perry: Will videogames become better than life?
18:57 < kanzure> Aha.
18:57 < kanzure> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/misc/
18:58 < splicer> Who was it that said the holodeck will be mans last invention?
18:58 < splicer> Scott Adams I think
18:59 < UtopiahGHML> for most WoW is enough
18:59 < UtopiahGHML> generations of potential philosopher and scientists are fucking up their life right now :)
18:59 < UtopiahGHML> leveling up! :-#
19:00 < splicer> I don't know.. maybe it's one of those things that the people in the culture like in another generation don't get. 
19:00 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: "And more, I would say that the so-called virtual realities are misnamed: they should be called something like "simulated experiences." Because they aren't real, and can never be so, any more than a map can be the territory."
19:01 < kanzure> "And more, for the same reason that a map is necessarily less detailed than the territory that it describes, a virtual reality can only ever be a pale shadow of the real thing. Such constructs might prove amusing, or even useful and illuminating, but how could they ever take the place of the essential reality that they represent?"
19:01 < splicer> Dunno, there is sci-fi and manga too
19:01 < UtopiahGHML> Serial Experiment Lain
19:02 < splicer> A videogame can be a good tool to express creativity
19:02 < UtopiahGHML> sure, Im actually trying to make my own video game
19:02  * kanzure is a veteran game programmer.
19:02 < kanzure> (I feel old.)
19:02 < UtopiahGHML> http://seedea.free.fr/wiki/index.php?n=Oimp.TheHealthVoyage
19:03 < procto> make a map as large as a territory, and it becomes a territory
19:03 < kanzure> It becomes _a_ territory, but never the original.
19:03 < procto> most tertainly
19:03 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: Ah, a web-based game.
19:04 < UtopiahGHML> kanzure: yep, I believe you can do a lot with the web now
19:04 < procto> but virtual reality certainly*
19:04 < kanzure> I used to do those too. I had this stupid "Anime Universe" website with half a thousand members at one point. The goal was to become the strongest in the universe. ;-)
19:04 < procto> but VR doesn't try to make the original
19:04 < kanzure> I hated it back then and I hate it now. Web-based RPGs are teh suck. Go back to nethack please.
19:05 < kanzure> procto: The problem is how easily people can be confused. "Hey, look! It looks like the real thing, it's just as interactive, so what's the big deal?" Meanwhile, the infrastructure fails and crumbles in reality, .. etc.
19:05  * UtopiahGHML doesn't want to enter another virtual/real debate
19:06 < UtopiahGHML> simulation-argument.com
19:06 < UtopiahGHML> (Nick Bostrom)
19:08 < splicer> It's a forver debate
19:10 < kanzure> Simulation-argument.com is just about our universe being simulated, that's not what we're talking about.
19:10 < UtopiahGHML> anybody  going to Convergence08  ?
19:10 < kanzure> Hrm.
19:10 < kanzure> Remind me of the time?
19:10 < UtopiahGHML> 15-16nov
19:12 < kanzure> Hrm. It's a weekend. 
19:12 < kanzure> I can make it. I'm still deciding whether or not to go.
19:13 < UtopiahGHML> better decide in less than 30hours else it's 50bucks extra
19:13 < kanzure> What the fuck, entry fees?
19:14 < UtopiahGHML> yup
19:14 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.convergence08.org/register/
19:17 < splicer> (I wonder if Pen and Teller will go)
19:17 < UtopiahGHML> in SF months ago Ive seen an expo on the Info-Bio-Nano-Cogno church :)
19:17 < UtopiahGHML> in an art exhib
19:18 < kanzure> So it would cost me at least $350 roundtrip, and that's only if there's somebody in San Jose willing to bunk me. Jef will I guess.
19:25 < UtopiahGHML> does your future worth it? 
19:25 < UtopiahGHML> :)
19:25 < kanzure> What?
19:26 < kanzure> I went up to BioBarCamp earlier this year and it was indeed worth it. There were more transhumans packed in there than they cared to admit.
19:27 < UtopiahGHML> was in the Bay Area?
19:27 < kanzure> Yes.
19:27 < UtopiahGHML> kind of the place for transhumanists
19:27 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: I was living with them. ;-)
19:28 < UtopiahGHML> been to burning man already?
19:28 < kanzure> Nah. I'll get to that eventually.
20:07 < facefaceface> where should I upload my lectures
20:07 < facefaceface> ?
20:07 < facefaceface> which site?
20:08 < UtopiahGHML> videolectures.net
20:14 < facefaceface> ty
20:35 < splicer> That is a really good site. I hadn't seen that before.
20:35 < UtopiahGHML> really good indeed
20:35 < UtopiahGHML> even if they don't *)&%& provide RSS feeds
20:35 < UtopiahGHML> (been asking them for 2 years by email, *&^&*^*(ing saying they would do it)
20:41 < splicer> There is that old cyberpunk proverb "Information wants to be free". It's very true. I'm still amazed by the fact that lectures from say Berkely and MIT are online... and the books on torrents. 
20:42 < UtopiahGHML> Stanford too, INSEAD too, etc... yep
20:43 < UtopiahGHML> well Berkeley it's "supposed" to be ;)
20:43 < UtopiahGHML> Wharton too
20:43 < UtopiahGHML> amazing resources for free
20:43 < splicer> yeah, the best courses on those topics in the world. 
20:44 < splicer> + having accesss to the videocasts is better than actually being there
21:01 < splicer> hmm. It seems Stanford keeps their lectures on iTunes.
21:13 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/ Enjoy.
21:13  * kanzure was just reading over the microencapsulation paper.
21:21 < kanzure> Microalgae immobilization - Current techniques and uses.pdf
21:26 < kanzure> Hrm, that's not a bad one.
22:17 < fenn> ah no wonder mplayer sucked so much.. somehow i "upgraded" to the official lenny version that was missing x264 codec
22:18 < fenn> (of course it would just crash instead of saying so)
22:19 < drazak> hmph
22:19 < drazak> I need someone to do bioinformatics for me
22:20 < fenn> hire a university :)
22:20 < drazak> lol
22:23 < kanzure> oh fuck where'd my wiki go
22:23 < facefaceface> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=855606311301659628
22:24 < fenn> is it just me or is maker's faire == american anime con?
22:24 < kanzure> anime?
22:24 < fenn> you know, robots with swords and lasers n stuff
22:25 < fenn> http://flickr.com/photos/steevithak/2951204307/in/set-72157608138769364/
22:25 < fenn> moose trap
22:26 < kanzure> The R2 group was right next to Vern's setup :-)
22:26 < kanzure> Paul has finally figured out his linux setup for his cnc router, that was pretty neat
22:26 < kanzure> I was glad to see that he had figured out how to hack through that proprietary protocol
22:29 < fenn> i guess "wonderfest" would be more similar
22:29 < kanzure> it was weird seeing how much O'Reilly pushed themselves
22:29 < fenn> who's oreilly?
22:29 < kanzure> everywhere you looked you could buy "Maker Faire Gear" -- shirts, kits, magazines, 
22:29 < kanzure> wtf
22:30 < fenn> the publisher?
22:30 < kanzure> O'Reilly = the evil guys behind Make
22:30 < kanzure> yes
22:33 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/Eaton%20-%20Electric%20field%20induced%20in%20a%20spherical%20volume%20conductor%20from%20arbitrary%20coils:%20application%20to%20magnetic%20stimulation%20and%20MEG.pdf  
22:33 < kanzure> "Electric field induced in a spherical volume conductor from arbitrary coils: application to magnetic stimulation and MEG". Brainways, a company evidently doing deep brain TMS, is essentially based off of some guy doing some line integrals in
22:33 < kanzure>  Mathematica to figure out an optimized coil design for deep brain stimulation, with a ref to Eaton's model to figure out field shapes from coil geometries.
22:33 < kanzure> fenn, you see that from the other day?
22:40 < fenn> i didnt read the paper
22:40 < fenn> your link is full of unicode turds
22:41 < kanzure> copied it from pidgin logs, lemme check to see if it's in the logs themselves
22:41 < kanzure> yes they are
22:43 -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh
22:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/Eaton%20-%20Electric%20field%20induced%20in%20a%20spherical%20volume%20conductor%20from%20arbitrary%20coils:%20application%20to%20magnetic%20stimulation%20and%20MEG.pdf
22:44 < fenn> why dont they just use commercial field simulators such as used for radar or motor design?
22:44 < kanzure> such as?
22:46 < fenn> i dont know, google electromagnetic FEM
22:47 < fenn> hieroglyphics in the morning makes me grumpy
22:47 < kanzure> yay search terms http://www.ece.osu.edu/~volakis/Book/radlab/FEM_for_EM.html
22:49 < fenn> when dealing with messy starting conditions, trying to come up with an elegant analytical solution just seems kinda silly
22:58 < kanzure> also, "FPGA" rTMS designs were discussed with Steve the other night .. I think I mentioned this in here .. nevermind.
22:59 < fenn> elias`: check out beagleboard
23:00 < fenn> no FPGA, but it could be grafted onto the GPIO somehow
23:02 < kanzure> Somebody give me a good reason *not* to go to Convergence08.
23:04 < fenn> danger of being infected with the groupthink virus
23:05 < fenn> (i think you should go, fwiw)
23:09 < kanzure> I'm trying to find a reason not to go
23:09 < kanzure> on the down side, nothing ever gets done at these
23:09 < kanzure> only at hackathons (well, sort of)
23:10 < fenn> you could engage in high-bandwidth data exchange
23:11 < fenn> people are more motivated to write scripts to sort your porn collection if they have a copy
23:11 < fenn> s/porn/journal article/
23:12 < kanzure> $330 roundtrip on the plane tickets. then $70 for the entry fee. 
23:20 < kanzure> I wonder if there's the possibility of using lab money for this.
23:25 < bkero> Lab money for bkero's plane ticket and accomodations?
23:25 < bkero> 8)
23:26 < fenn> it's not so far-fetched
23:28 < fenn> heh "hybrid vigor institute" anyone wanna guess what their bias is?
23:30 < fenn> "ACCOUNT FOR INTANGIBLE COST, NOT VALUE"
23:31 < fenn> sigh.. revolution of lowered expectations strikes again
23:54 < pppk> hey bryan, do you have any media from SB4.0?
23:57 < kanzure> Not yet.
23:57 < pppk> you're expecting some?
23:58 < kanzure> Surely at least some flickr photos?
23:59 < pppk> meh, lame