--- Day changed Mon Oct 20 2008
00:02 < pppk> wish somebody would release a cam of some presentations
00:11 < fenn> am i braindead or what? what's wrong with this code?
00:12 < fenn> def Action():
00:12 < fenn>   def __init__(self, start, end, category):
00:12 < fenn>     self.start, self.end, self.category, self.string, self.comment = \
00:12 < fenn>       start, end, category, string, comment
00:12 < fenn> foo = Action(1,2,3)
00:12 < kanzure> string = reserved?
00:12 < fenn> TypeError: Action() takes no arguments (3 given)
00:13 < kanzure> try no () on the def Action
00:13 < fenn> i have something almost exactly the same a couple lines up and it works
00:13 < kanzure> Show.
00:14 < fenn> def Action: gives syntax error?
00:14 < fenn> hmm lemme just pastebin it
00:14 < kanzure> blargh, let me play
00:15 < fenn> http://pastebin.ca/1231408  :)
00:16 < kanzure> foo = Action(1,2,3) <-- invalid syntax?
00:16 < fenn>     def Action:
00:16 < fenn>               ^
00:17 < fenn> oh crap, i'm using def instead of class
00:17 < fenn> you may now return to your regularly scheduled surfing
00:17 < kanzure> The Simpsons, as it turns out.
01:08 < kanzure> How long until I should be getting pissed at Kaznessis?
01:23 < fenn> what pissed about?
01:28 < kanzure> synbioss source not available
01:28 < fenn> huh?
01:28 < kanzure> only the desktop simulator, not the web stuff.
01:30 < fenn> i guess it depends on what their response is
01:30 < fenn> if (response = "but nobody else complained"): attitude = pissy
02:04 < kanzure> fenn: whatchya doing?
02:05 < kanzure> *were you
02:06 < fenn> parsing my diary/logs into a sort of gantt chart
02:06 < fenn> also i'm trying to figure out how predictable my sleep patterns are (so i can predict them)
02:07 < kanzure> I thought you said you had something like an hour offset going on
02:07 < kanzure> I mean, an hour offset cycling around
02:07 < fenn> yeah but i dont know how precise that is over months timespan
02:09 < fenn> i guess i have to do some kind of "best fit"
02:11 < fenn> also looking for correlations such as i.e. chocolate intake
02:14 < fenn> should end up with something like this http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleepchart.htm
02:16 < kanzure> nice charts.
02:18 < kanzure> hrm, NetCDF
02:26 < fenn> i wish python had something like Data::Dumper (i'm sure it does but i just dont know about it)
02:33 < kanzure> huh http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/tmp/
02:34 < kanzure> not so temporary, eh?
02:34 < fenn> is that the source you're looking for?
02:42 < kanzure> yay laptop fan problems
03:05 < fenn> yaml dump works ok as Data::Dumper substitute
03:22 < kanzure> wtf? http://www.burdastyle.com/ "open source sewing" and no, they're not talking about machines or textiles
03:22 < kanzure> *textile industries
03:25 < fenn> used to be you had to mail order patterns or buy from a store
03:25 < fenn> it was like a kit
03:25 < fenn> well, fsov "used to"
03:25 < fenn> fsvo*
03:25 < fenn> bah'
03:27 < fenn> don't discount CAD designs just because they're for clothing
03:27 < fenn> the problem likely is that they are 50% machine-unreadable
03:28 < kanzure> what are these patterns.
03:28 < kanzure> just apply an algorithm for instructions on where to stich, right?
03:28 < fenn> there was some (mit media lab?) CNC stuffed animal creator suite; saw it on one of jef han's multitouch demos
03:29 < fenn> also folding, cutting, material specs
03:29 < fenn> i dont get "open source" and "gimme money" in the same paragraph
03:30 < kanzure> at the maker faire there was this one poor woman all alone sitting behind a booth with a sign saying "open source sewing"
03:30 < kanzure> not sitting, standing
03:30 < kanzure> it made me double take that
03:30 < kanzure> "join ye band wagon!"
03:31 < fenn> i cant figure out how to actually download the pdf's though
03:32 < fenn> oh fuck this
03:32 < fenn> sometimes i wish OSI would just rabidly sue everyone misusing "open source"
03:33 < bkero> They have a section for that
03:33 < bkero> It's called the EFF :)
03:34 < bkero> what the fuck
03:34 < bkero> http://wine.woot.com
03:34 < bkero> Hahaha
03:34 < bkero> By Woot Cellars
03:49 < kanzure> http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/echeeve1/Ref/Analogs/ElectricalMechanicalAnalogs.html
03:51 < bkero> Did you guys see the RNA-based logic gates got slashdotted?
03:51 < fenn> look at all those hieroglyphic
03:51 < kanzure> gene just came ranting to me about 'mechanical circuits'
03:51 < kanzure> I had to roll my eyes since this is what we've been talking about forever
03:52 < kanzure> anyway, yes, bkero, I saw something like that a few months ago
03:52 < kanzure> I wonder if I can predct it's Winfree's goons
03:52 < kanzure> yep, Cal Tech
04:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/Recovery_of_microalgal_biomass_and_metabolites_-_process_options_and_economics.pdf has pretty charts and numbers
05:21 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/Group%20assignment.pdf
05:21 < kanzure> so I challenged the professor to actually make the students do some programming
05:21 < kanzure> so now there's a pseudocoding assignment :)
05:22 < kanzure> but they're all bio majors and so their code will likely fail with magical goodness.
05:35 < fenn> nerve cell looks like a spaceship
05:35 < fenn> pew pew (lasers)
05:44 < kanzure> behold the realism!
05:45 < kanzure> dendritic trees! bah! devilworsip!
05:45 < kanzure> *worship
05:46 < kanzure> nathan will be logging in tomorrow at noon
05:46 < kanzure> apparently he wants to start a business with me as the technical guy .. which is fine .. but what he wants to do is automate businesses .. which is doable, except for the social barrier aspects in the companies .. so I want to see what's up with him a bit
05:47 < kanzure> "Once people automate, they'll start to realize that their businesses aren't really doing much of anything anyway."
05:48 < kanzure> uhm
05:48 < kanzure> I mean their workers.
05:50 < fenn> er, but, um, you dont actually know anything :(
05:50 < kanzure> hm?
05:50 < fenn> as far as robots and such
05:51 < kanzure> while mostly true, he's talking software for some reason.
05:51 < fenn> automating software?
05:51 < kanzure> heh'
05:51  * fenn ponders the meaning of this
05:51 < kanzure> yeah .. so that's why I want to investigate nathan a bit more
05:51 < kanzure> he wants to be a firm to go in and replace people-jobs with software
05:52 < kanzure> which IMHO would already be done if it wasn't for those damned people getting in the way
05:52 < fenn> maybe
05:52 < kanzure> you know, typical corporate culture.
05:52 < fenn> most jobs are 100% unnecessary in the first place
05:52 < bkero> I hate corporate culture.
05:52 < kanzure> "oh, well, that's dealt with by the HR department"
05:52 < kanzure> "ok, fine, I'll go do the HR dept.'s systems."
05:52 < kanzure> "nope, no way you'll touch that"
05:52 < kanzure> "wtf mates."
05:53 < fenn> HR is sacred?
05:53 < kanzure> not by my standards?
05:53 < fenn> by someone's standards?
05:54 < kanzure> as for robots ..
05:54 < kanzure> What do I apparently not know?
05:54 < kanzure> besides my obvious lack of ever having programmed an industrial robot.
05:54 < fenn> that, pretty much
05:54 < kanzure> I'm presuming that it's a choriograph sequence of servo positionings and maybe feedback sensors
05:54 < kanzure> I also know they cost a shitload and thus come with documentation
05:54 < fenn> yes but most jobs that can be automated that way already are
05:55 < kanzure> ok, no argument there
05:55 < kanzure> stocking of shelves in a grocery store for instance. :-p
05:55 < fenn> the hard parts are computer vision and "what to do when things fuck up"
05:55 < kanzure> I don't know why I just said that.
05:55 < kanzure> right
05:55 < kanzure> or when people fuck up, more specifically
05:55 < kanzure> The big problem seems to be getting people to put things in the right place
05:55 < fenn> and the more set-up goes into a job, the more likely to fuckup
05:56 < kanzure> There's no way to get FedEx to have a specific robot to place the package in a specific place, and so on
05:56 < kanzure> although I'm guessing somebody's been able to do it with cargo containers (maybe)
05:56 < kanzure> especially since the semi-trucks *must* back up into loading docks/bays at the back of warehouses
05:56 < fenn> fedex doesnt use robots
05:56 < kanzure> did I say they did
05:57 < kanzure> I've seen them. They're very much human.
05:57 < kanzure> I said "no way to get FedEx to have a specific robot" (okay: or any robot)
05:57 < kanzure> I guess the 'specific' is poorly placed
05:58 < fenn> also you gotta consider the amount of time and expertise it takes to program a robot vs to have an unskilled human just do it
05:58 < fenn> most of this would be solved by having more standards and centralization
05:58 < kanzure> consider how hard it is for users to program the choriographing robots these days (biooid).. set them into position, record the sequence, and 'go'. 
05:58 < kanzure> yeah
05:59 < fenn> (lol me arguing for centralization)
05:59 < kanzure> meep, that's just networking
06:00 < fenn> IMO the problem with industrial robots is they are blind, deaf, dumb, and thus must be built with extreme accuracy and performance in order to assure they meet their choreographed trajectory
06:00 < kanzure> You aren't going to try to push 'computer vision' on me, are you?
06:00 < kanzure> there are alternatives to 'computer vision' and 'make the robotic arm have a visual cortex' ..
06:01 < fenn> consider what types of jobs are filled by blind people
06:01  * fenn has no idea, actually
06:01 < kanzure> bleh, this brings back memories.
06:01 < kanzure> She was so screwed. She wanted to go be a teacher and do singing.
06:02 < fenn> what happened?
06:03 < kanzure> Born blind.
06:03 < fenn> um, so, did she become a teacher and do singing?
06:04 < kanzure> Don't know. She didn't think she had much of an option.
06:05 < fenn> example of how not being deaf can help reduce cost of machinery: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1678-58782004000100013
06:06 < fenn> you can detect chatter and nudge your way into one of these stability regions
06:06 < kanzure> given some allowable amount of variation in the position of the material?
06:06 < kanzure> s/variation/offset/
06:07 < fenn> deflection isn't so important on roughing passes
06:07 < fenn> especially if you have some smarts (position feedback) that lets you know how much you deflected, and some more smarts to compensate for that the next pass
06:08 < fenn> so, more of a procedural approach than analytically figuring it all out ahead of time
06:09 < fenn> i have this idea for a completely automated grocery store
06:09 < fenn> basically everything is in bins, and the desired amount gets dispensed into continuous zipper-seal bags, taht get heat sealed and cut to length
06:10 < xp_prg2> kanzure you here?
06:10 < fenn> xp_prg2: dude, what's your problem
06:10 < xp_prg2> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/BioBench
06:11 < xp_prg2> this is not coming up! :(
06:11 < kanzure> mediawiki is down for some reason
06:11 < kanzure> I don't know where I put it on the server
06:11 < kanzure> Any guesses?
06:11 < fenn> /var/www
06:11 < xp_prg2> well I have some awsome people who want to help with the project!
06:11 < kanzure> fenn: fuck, I actually didn't grab /var/www/.
06:11 < xp_prg2> can we get it back up please?
06:11 < kanzure> yes .. give me a few moments ..
06:11 < kanzure> to actually find it and the database. oops :)
06:11 < fenn> i dont know where mysql squirrels away its data
06:12 < kanzure> fenn: plastic baggy automated grocery store? Hrm. I do know of some automated grocery ordering stores in New York, but I know they're also ran by little green men in freaky suits.
06:12 < kanzure> fenn: meh, just locate the tables.
06:12 < fenn> ah, yes, see the point is that you can order from an internet site and have it delivered, or you can just go to the store and get it immediately, works the same either way
06:13 < fenn> but you get to inspect demo products at the store if desired
06:13 < kanzure> I wonder if the baggy method works all the time.
06:13 < fenn> no
06:13 < kanzure> doesn't it leak somewhat?
06:13 < kanzure> what's everything coming in? plastic or cardboard, right?
06:13 < fenn> hm? order from the manufacturer usually plastic bag in a cardboard box
06:14 < xp_prg2> what is that opensource biology project etc... we are adding this front end to again?
06:14 < fenn> synbioss
06:16 < fenn> at my local grocery store they have this automated checkout line, where you have to swipe every product one at a time across the laser scanner and put it on a scale
06:16 < kanzure> fenn: /var/lib/mysql/ evidently.
06:16 < kanzure> right, I've seen those too
06:16 < fenn> but couldnt i just scan them as i put it in a cart?
06:16 < fenn> i mean laser scanners dont need to have spinning mirrors and sapphire windows etc
06:17 < kanzure> barcode scanners?
06:17 < fenn> handheld (cart-affixed) barcode scanner
06:17 < kanzure> aren't those scanner guns portable anyway?
06:17 < fenn> cart has scale and small computer w/ copy of the database or RF link to store computer
06:17 < kanzure> so why stop at the cart?
06:17 < fenn> what do you mean why stop at the cart?
06:17 < kanzure> nevermind
06:18 < kanzure> I was figuring of a hoister on the cart for the scannergun :)
06:18 < kanzure> but you might as well have it on the edges
06:18 < fenn> you're holding the product as you put it in the cart, as you put it in, the scanner sees it and beeps
06:18 < fenn> or beeps if you put something in and it doesnt see it, might be better
06:18 < kanzure> I wonder what frequency the classic checkout beep is.
06:19 < fenn> g00gle knows
06:19 < kanzure> xp_prg2: Okay, server going down for a few moments.
06:20 < fenn> you could have animal themed shopping carts that make roaring noises
06:21 < fenn> actually the most annoying thing about the automated checkout line is how it tries to talk to you, which is why i didnt use it before they stopped staffing human cashiers at night
06:22 < fenn> it's always hitting on me and making sarcastic comments about my choice of groceries :(
06:25 < fenn> so, cart + scanner + scale = robot, think you know enough to mass produce one of these and install at millions of stores?
06:26 < kanzure> that's a robot?
06:26 < fenn> replaces a cashier doesn't it?
06:26 < kanzure> doesn't the automated checkout thingy?
06:27 < kanzure> I was thinking at least an arm to move around the store and pull things from the shelf
06:27 < fenn> we outsource that function to the customer
06:27 < fenn> it would be nice to have robots stocking the shelves of course
06:28 < fenn> (nice for someone i guess)
06:28 < fenn> the jobs i was applying for seem to have disappeared without a trace, suppose i'll be stocking shelves
06:28 < kanzure> as long as the cargo containers are properly filled.
06:30 < fenn> and if not, we can simply put the robot in manual mode via low latency uplink to india
06:30 < fenn> isn't it grand
06:31 < fenn> you know, aum shinrikyo was trying to hasten the end of the world
06:32 < kanzure> 'only in death is transcendence experienced' and such ?
06:32 < kanzure> to drive the knife through the eye, etc.
06:33 < kanzure> '        To be fully alive is to be fully aware. To be fully aware is to be full of fear. To fear is to die.'
06:33 < kanzure> Anyway. 
06:34 < kanzure> Hrm. Mediawiki still isn't working.
06:34 < kanzure> It wasn't in the old apache2 000-default config file with Alias directives or anything.
06:46 < kanzure> Hrm. I am very confused.
06:46 < fenn> wow this is really amazing, like something out of a bad cyberpunk anime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo
06:53 < kanzure> so it's not in .htaccess, it's not in the 000-default config files, where is it?
06:53 < bkero> So much bad aniime.  So much bad cyberpunk.
06:54 < kanzure> How did my apache2 installation know about /mediawiki/? It's not in the public_html dir that it was stored in, it's not in /var/www/, and it's over in /var/lib/mediawiki1.7/, but how did apache know this?
06:54 < bkero> a module
06:54 < bkero> assigning "/mediawiki/" to a documentroot
06:54 < kanzure> A module?
06:55 < bkero> Er, <location "/mediawiki"> DocumentRoot "/var/lib/mediawiki1.7"</location>
06:55 < bkero> cd /etc/apache2 && grep -R "mediawiki" *
06:55 < kanzure> that'd be the 000-default.
06:55 < kanzure> ah, there's also /etc/apache2/conf.d/mediawiki1.7.conf
06:56 < fenn> 000-default is probably in site configs, right? so you have to enable that site maybe?
06:56 < kanzure> Well. Damn.
06:56 < fenn> in httpd.conf
06:56 < kanzure> Okay. So it turns out bkero is right, the contents of that file are the same type that belong in 000-default
07:03 < kanzure> hah. Okay. linking error. This is getting retarded.
07:04 < kanzure> I'll solve this tomorrow..
11:53 < kanzure> What was the free AJAX document editing system?
11:53 < kanzure> bkero: ?
11:56 < UtopiahGHML> http://seedea.free.fr/share/transhumanblueprint-sourceandraison-selfimprovementcycle.jpg
11:57 < kanzure> I don't see what's new about this.
11:58 < UtopiahGHML> written on the back of a brown envelope
11:58 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: http://heybryan.org/recursion.html
11:59 < UtopiahGHML> paroles paroles paroles
12:00 < kanzure> Que?
12:00 < UtopiahGHML> schemas > words
12:00 < kanzure> Fuck that. Text > an image with hard-to-OCR-text.
12:01 < kanzure> I'm gong to go cry now.
12:01 < UtopiahGHML> (pwnd)
12:02 < UtopiahGHML> my point wasn't to say it was new or even good
12:02 < UtopiahGHML> I came accross it while re-organizing paper and thought it was appropriate to share this in such a channel
12:03 < UtopiahGHML> plus honestly, I and money others never dig direclty into large chunks of text without any introduction and visual schema
12:03 < UtopiahGHML> visual language is a key tool, your eyes can make links much faster
12:03 < UtopiahGHML> (cf military researchs on UI)
12:11 -!- n is now known as nsh-
12:27 < wrldpc> ...........
12:28 -!- nsh- is now known as nsh
12:28 < wrldpc> Visuals are good in that they are legible.
12:28 < wrldpc> If you can read your own handwriting you should be good ..
12:29 < UtopiahGHML> not being able to read one owns handwritting is kind of pointless :P
12:30  * wrldpc thinks of how to establish his own recursive positive feedback loop.
12:30 < kanzure> ' Visiting professor talks about "DNA Knotting in Viral Capsids"  Description: De Witt Sumners, the Robert O. Lawton Distinguished Professor of Mathematics at Florida State University, presents a talk entitled "DNA Knotting in Viral Capsids." The talk is sponsored by the Topological and Cellular Biology Group and the Department of Mathematics. '
12:30 < wrldpc> xool
12:30 < kanzure> wrldpc: Have you considered getting a woman and cloning yourself a few times with modified DNA? ;-)
12:30 < wrldpc> I like that idea!
12:31 < kanzure> 'Visionary of semiconductor industry gives talk   Description: The Robert S. Strauss Center presents "Science 2.0:  Globalized Innovation in Electronics" with Dan Hutcheson, CEO of VLSI Research, Inc. Hutcheson is a recognized authority and well-known visionary for the semiconductor industry. He advises companies in strategic and tactical marketing, business management and manufacturing trends, productivity and strategy.  Time: 5:30-7:30 p.m.  Locatio
12:32 < wrldpc> There's a "Bio by Design" seminar at BU this week ... I wonder if Venter will be there.
12:32 < wrldpc> Prolly not.
12:32  * kanzure goes.
12:33 < wrldpc> Is this visionary also an engineer?
12:34 < wrldpc> He's a f'n economist ffs.
12:35 < wrldpc> More scientists less sinecures.
12:36 < wrldpc> The DNA Knotting in Viral Capsids sounds rad tho.
15:57 < kanzure_1_> Can somebody tell xp_prg to just reverse engineer interface{1,2,3}.php from the server?
15:59 < nsh> context?
16:51 < kanzure_1_> nsh: http://synbioss.sf.net/ click on web thingy (not desktop thingy)
17:11 < nsh> m
17:11 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CXDQaXk54w
17:13  * nsh frowns
17:14 < xp_prg> Kanzure is the mediawiki up yet?
17:22 < kanzure_1_> xp_prg: No. Sorry. Hey, I have something else for you to do though.
17:22 < kanzure_1_> I have the AJAX interface working, so now I just need something reverse engineered
17:22 < xp_prg> wow you do!
17:22 < xp_prg> can I see it?
17:22 < xp_prg> ok what kanzure?
17:22 < kanzure_1_> http://synbioss.sf.net/ See the 'web system' that it links to? It links over to interface1.php, and interface2.php and so on. I need interface1.php, interface2.php and interface3.php reverse engineered.
17:23 < kanzure_1_> The graph system is over at http://heybryan.org/graph/
17:23 < kanzure_1_> I had to go get Tels from bloodgate to send me over the perl/CGI script that he's using to generate the graphs, so now it's working.
17:24 < xp_prg> I am on the synbioss site don't see the "web system" link
17:24 < xp_prg> where is this?
17:25 < kanzure_1_> http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php
17:25 < xp_prg> what is an example bio brick id I can use?
17:29 < kanzure_1_> Look at the tutorial link.
17:29 < kanzure_1_> They walk you through the whole thing.
17:30 < xp_prg> well I thought this was going to be graphical drag and drop, where is that functionality?
17:35 < xp_prg> kanzure?
17:36 < UtopiahGHML> ybit: have you tried >1x video watching with P2P streaming?
17:37 < ybit> not yet : : UtopiahGHML
17:37 < kanzure_1_> xp_prg: The drag and drop is already in the graph system.
17:38 < ybit> typing w/ mouse isn't fun
17:38 < xp_prg> I can't seem to bring up the graph system functionality
17:38 < UtopiahGHML> SwarmPlayer seems to be based on VLC though, not mplayer, but I guess it shouldn't be a big problem
17:38 < xp_prg> it says javascript not working right or something
17:38 < kanzure_1_> xp_prg: Okay, then look at it here: http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy/ http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo/
17:38 < ybit> almost have the server fixed, yay
17:38 < kanzure_1_> Try not index2.html
17:38 < kanzure_1_> but instead the one within the subdir within there
17:39 < kanzure_1_> http://heybryan.org/graph/bloodgate.com/graph-easy/
17:39 < xp_prg> what ajax framework you using?
17:40 < kanzure_1_> prototypejs
17:40 < xp_prg> oh ok
17:40 < kanzure_1_> Hahah. Boy do I feel stupid. I was wondering why my MySQL query was only giving one output.
17:40 < kanzure_1_> For the last 20 minutes I've been debugging the query.
17:40 < kanzure_1_> Geeze. Maybe it's the "LIMIT 1" at the end of the query.
17:41  * kanzure_1_ goes to the chemistry class
17:42 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.p2p-next.org
19:08 < kanzure_1_> ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com <-- Has Marvin Minsky.
19:18 < UtopiahGHML> he's gay
19:45 < StormtrooperTK79> woohoo im here
19:45 < StormtrooperTK79> i can fly
19:45 < UtopiahGHML> heroin?
19:46 < StormtrooperTK79> Jetpacks
19:46 < UtopiahGHML> more expensive
19:46 < StormtrooperTK79> indeed
19:46 < UtopiahGHML> maybe more dangerous too ;P
19:46 < StormtrooperTK79> no worries, im fully armoured
20:10 < StormtrooperTK79> We gotta hold on to what we got
20:10 < StormtrooperTK79> It doesnt make a difference if we make it or not
20:10 < StormtrooperTK79> We got each other and thats alot
20:22  * UtopiahGHML cries
20:22 < UtopiahGHML> so beautiful
20:30 < bkero> I want a jetpack.
20:39 < nsh> [########                        ]
20:39 < nsh>  signal                     noise
20:42 < StormtrooperTK79> we all need jetpacks
20:43 < StormtrooperTK79> once we fly everything will change
20:43 < StormtrooperTK79> seeing the big picture from above 
20:44 < StormtrooperTK79> changes the mind and its ways
20:44 < UtopiahGHML> anybody played with cloud providers
20:44 < UtopiahGHML> and eventually automatic price balancing
20:44 < UtopiahGHML> and eventually CDN or.. metaCDN?
20:45 < StormtrooperTK79> price balancing ? Thats what free markets are for
20:48 < UtopiahGHML> yep but I want my software to do it automatically for me
20:48 < UtopiahGHML> and execute itself on the lowest priced cloud
20:54 < StormtrooperTK79> what kind of clouds do you mean ?
20:56 < UtopiahGHML> remote hosting on a distributed architecture
20:56 < wrldpc> what was the DIY fashion design site again?
20:56 < StormtrooperTK79> ah
20:57 < wrldpc> what we need is a live HD video feed of Earth constantly streaming over the internet and a TV station
20:57 < wrldpc> using the same or similar optics on Nihon's Kayuga
20:57 < wrldpc> only in geostationary LEO
20:58 < StormtrooperTK79> might cost around 50 million so if we get 5 million people to donate 10 $ we could get that satelite up
20:58 < wrldpc> if it's even possible to affect geostationary LEOs
20:59 < StormtrooperTK79> there should be a wesbiste where scientists can display projects and requir public donations, the website would be like the central place to cheakc them out and post donations
20:59 < StormtrooperTK79> that way things would be created that dont find sponsering else where -by the poeple
21:01 < UtopiahGHML> J. Broberg, S. Venugopal, and R. Buyya. Market-oriented Grids and Utility Computing: The state-of-the-art and future directions.
21:01 < UtopiahGHML> Journal of Grid Computing, 2008. To appear.
21:01 < UtopiahGHML> :D
22:07 < UtopiahGHML> Biohacking, ? l.?cole des apprentis sorciers
22:07 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.internetactu.net/2008/10/15/biohacking-a-lecole-des-apprentis-sorciers/
22:51 -!- splicer_ is now known as splicer
23:20 < kanzure> Somebody tell stormtrooper about my paypal science project donation system
23:28 < kanzure> xp_prg: Have you been at all working on that interface1.php stuff?
23:28 < kanzure> The professor that runs the lab that produced the interface{1,2,3}.php scripts hasn't replied to my email. I suppose I should just phone them on the spot.
23:28 < kanzure> Although calling labs hasn't worked out for me so far.
23:33 < nsh> kanzure, what channels are you on in freenode?
23:34 < UtopiahGHML> /whois kanzure 
23:34 < nsh> doesn't work on freenode
23:34 < nsh> the twats made +i hide channels
23:34 < nsh> unless you're both on them
23:34 < nsh> i bitched already, but they're ignorant motherfuckers
23:34 < kanzure> #open-rtms, #reprap, #openmosix, #hplusroadmap, #wrongplanet, #namcub, #bioinformatics, #debian, #perl, ##electronics, #space, ##chemistry, ##neuroscience, #biology, #diybio, ##sl4, and sometimes ##math, #not-math, ##physics, #not-physics.
23:34  * nsh nods
23:34 < nsh> ty
23:35 < UtopiahGHML> #wrongplanet?
23:35 < nsh> autistic spectrum channel
23:35 < kanzure> I absorb aspies.
23:35 < UtopiahGHML> ?
23:37 < kanzure> ?
23:37 < UtopiahGHML> well I don't know what it means
23:37 < UtopiahGHML> Im reading http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/
23:39 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/intense_world_syndrome.html
23:39 < xp_prg> kanzure I am at work, I can't work on it until tonight man :(
23:42 < UtopiahGHML> kanzure: thx for the link, how does it translate into on a daily basis
23:43 < kanzure> To what detail do you want?
23:44 < UtopiahGHML> 3 lines
23:45 < kanzure> The condition would prevent such summarization. ;-)
23:45 < UtopiahGHML> pffff
23:46 < kanzure> Not for the reasons you think.
23:46 < UtopiahGHML> well right now Im lacking the basic building block to think about this hence my question
23:48 < kanzure> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9072119&pageNumber=2 
23:51 < UtopiahGHML> damn... if I would down the street and think people are optimisation functions do I have asperger syndrom?
23:51 < UtopiahGHML> s/would/walk/
23:51 < kanzure> Heh.
23:52 < kanzure> You'd certainly be in good company.
23:53 < UtopiahGHML> damn... I knew I was different...
23:56 < UtopiahGHML> my friend say Im just white & nerdy (cf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw too)
23:56 < kanzure> Is that the 'white and nerdy' song?
23:56 < UtopiahGHML> maybe :P
23:56 < UtopiahGHML> wait... do you remember all YouTube URL by heart?!!
23:57 < kanzure> There was a point in my life when I did memorize all URLs.
23:57 < fenn> *cough* bullshit *cough*
23:58 < kanzure> fenn: This was back when the 'internet' to me was something like 10 websites.
23:59 < fenn> it's ok, i used to think AppleTalk was the internet :)
23:59 < bkero> What
23:59 < fenn> there were so many cool games and filez!
23:59 < bkero> dalnet #romz represent
23:59 < UtopiahGHML> talking about white&nerdy isn't TheBigBangTheory episode out yet?
23:59 < bkero> Of what?