--- Day changed Thu Oct 30 2008
00:12 < kanzure_> Huh. Google's pushing Obama.
00:17 < xp_prg> you like Obama kanzure_ ?
00:17 < kanzure_> I'm just saying that Google is pushing Obama.
00:17 < kanzure_> Particularly Schmidt.
00:27 < Nofaris> How
00:27 < kanzure_> Interview.
00:27 < Nofaris> Okay
00:53 < splicer> Seen from the outside it seems he got the biggest push from the brain trust that chose palin for VP.  
02:07 < ybit> re: olympus mobile eye-trek :: did a quick patent search for olymps just now... http://www.google.com/patents?id=VlF7AAAAEBAJ -- seems to be for cameras; http://www.google.com/patents?id=VlF7AAAAEBAJ -- possibly related, can't tell, maybe someone could look at it further; 
02:07 < ybit> http://www.google.com/patents?id=MoB_AAAAEBAJ&dq=olympus&as_drrb_ap=b&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2005&as_maxm_ap=10&as_maxy_ap=2008&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2005&as_maxm_is=10&as_maxy_is=2008 -- seems to be an older model but still related; http://www.google.com/patents?id=tFuBAAAAEBAJ -- "information display system"; http://www.google.com/patents?id=6nCBAAAAEBAJ -- figure someone can archive this for the diyer that experiences this some day
02:08 < kanzure_> blargh?
02:08 < kanzure_> Alright.
02:09 < ybit> the "seems to be related" patent mentions making the device 1/6 its original size, search for "sixth"
02:10 < ybit> s/"seems to be related"/"possibly related, can't tell maybe..."
02:13 < kanzure_> Can anyone explain why people take so much time to think of what they're saying when they are in front of a camera? The ridiculous amount of pauses. 
02:32 < Nofaris> Because they didn't practice enough beforehand
02:32 < Nofaris> Alternately, they could be fighting their nervousness
02:32  * Nofaris hates being in front of cameras
03:05  * willPow3r is comfortable in front of cameras, but only when i'm not wearing any clothes
03:52 < gene_> http://www.physorg.com/news144495604.html
03:52 < gene_> new brain interfacing method developed
03:53 < gene_> er... what I meant to say was that a new NON-INVASIVE brain interfacing method has been developed
03:57 < ybit> who has read engines of creation all the way through?
03:58 < ybit> or intends to
03:59 < gene_> heard of it not read it
03:59 < willPow3r> i'm probably going to read the first 2 chapters then extrapolate
03:59 < ybit> it doesn't matter so much, i'll talk about whatever i read in here anyway regardless
03:59 < willPow3r> like i did with singularity is near
04:00 < gene_> oh and by the way did I tell you guys that a new non-invasive neural interface was developed?
04:01 < willPow3r> gene_, 8 mins ago
04:01 < gene_> yeah
04:01 < kanzure_> Which one?
04:02 < kanzure_> I don't do links at the moment, you'll have to tell us.
04:03 < gene_> it uses ultrasound
04:04 < gene_> that goes through your skull
04:05 < kanzure_> Can you get me the PLOS link?
04:06 < procto> willPow3r: as long as your extrapolations follow a strict exponential curve you'll be fine
04:06 < procto> that's a straight line on a log scale
04:06 < gene_> maybe
04:07  * procto pees in a straight line
04:07 < procto> on a log scale
04:07 < willPow3r> right.
04:07 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Ultrasound_brain.pdf got it.
04:07 < willPow3r> my extrapolations follow an s-curve
04:07 < kanzure_> sigmoid?
04:08 < willPow3r> precisely
04:09 < gene_> no
04:09 < gene_> damn
04:09  * procto tried to think of a jung joke but couldn't
04:09 < gene_> I think I found the researchers facebook page though
04:09 < kanzure_> Anyway, ultrasound is a big 'diy' thing.
04:10 < kanzure_> gene_: Their individual pages? That's not hard .. just type in their names and search for ARIZONA.
04:10 < gene_> yeah
04:10 < gene_> I just found a guy on google who has the same name as one of the researchers
04:11 < gene_> oh yeah and someone got e.coli to blink
04:11 < gene_> like a clock
04:11 < kanzure_> What frequency?
04:11 < gene_> http://www.physorg.com/news144506053.html
04:11 < kanzure_> Over a period of hours, that's easy, just an oscillation circuit.
04:11 < gene_> its in nature I can't look it up
04:12 < gene_> doesn't say
04:12 < gene_> it says it is precise though
04:12 < kanzure_> Not news.
04:14 < gene_> ok
04:27 < willPow3r> that kind of reminds me of that device in star trek that bones used to heal that one polish dude in the movie where they steal the whales
04:28 < willPow3r> the ultrasound thing
04:37 < kanzure_> Weird, there's an article out there talking about how Tom Cruise bought a sonogram and how evil it is to buy your sonography machine.
05:16 < wrldpc> my friend troy used lithotriptor in a rap once.
05:18 < willPow3r_> 1337
05:56 < willPow3r_> is it just me or does jim gates seem like a womanizer or child molester
05:58 < wrldpc> sylvester gates?
05:58 < willPow3r_> the superstring theorist
05:59 < willPow3r_> yes thats him
06:01 < willPow3r_> he's in total white-man mode in his video series "superstring theory" but i can see his dark side come out every now and then
06:03 < willPow3r_> just an observation. he's an extremely intelligent guy. i'm not racist
06:03 < willPow3r_> just ethnocentric
06:07 < Nofaris> white-man mode?
06:09 < willPow3r_> this conversation is impossible to embark upon without sounding like a total racist.
06:09 < Nofaris> :)
06:09 < Nofaris> That's fine
06:09 < Nofaris> I won't consider you racist
06:10 < Nofaris> I want to understand what you mean
06:10 < willPow3r_> ok.
06:10 < Nofaris> What makes you sound racist is if you don't explain "White-man mode"
06:10 < Nofaris> lol
06:10 < willPow3r_> when black people interface with other black people, they have a certain conversational mode they use
06:10 < willPow3r_> its generally a much more communal method of communication
06:11 < willPow3r_> with many people engaging in said activity at the same time, with lots of laughter, loudness, etc
06:12 < willPow3r_> but when black people talk to white people, they "switch" modes and talk one person at a time, more quietly
06:12 < willPow3r_> and with a noticeably wider vocabulary
06:12 < willPow3r_> at least, wider from a white person's perspective
06:13 < willPow3r_> i have a few black friends who admit this behavior
06:13 < willPow3r_> its a very interesting phenomenon, but i think it's little-understood due to the stigmatizing effects of race-specific research
06:14 < willPow3r_> so thats what i mean by "white-man mode"
06:15 < willPow3r_> i can see his black-man mode come out every once in a while in the videos
06:15 < willPow3r_> and its so funny because it totally betrays his portrayal of himself
06:38 < xp_prg2> kanzure you here?
07:09 < xp_prg2> I made my first python libsbml program!
07:16 -!- xp_prg2 is now known as xp_bed
07:43 < fenn> breaking news: ultrasound machines cause lefthandedness!!!
07:43 < fenn> Tom Cruise is so gonna have a lefty
07:43 < fenn> with a middle tooth
07:44 < fenn> http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2005/QBlog030605B.html  <- middle tooth
07:47 < fenn> "anyone conducting ultrasound testing without a medical prescription from a physician is breaking the law." guess we ought to ramp up the war on dolphins
07:57 < willPow3r> i cant believe that dolphins would so blatantly break the law like that
07:59 < fenn> they dont have fishing permits either
08:18 < wrldpc> war on dolphins
08:19 < wrldpc> damn those porpoises.
08:20 < fenn> promiscuous permitless porpoises!
08:20 < fenn> maybe we could infect their culture with internet memes
08:47 < wrldpc> lol
08:47 < wrldpc> remember jones from johnny mnemonic?
08:47 < wrldpc> or those dolphin bastards from the illuminatus trilogy?
09:53 < fenn> hmm non-24-hour circadian sleep disorder "has most often been reported in blind people." i wonder if it's due to lack of sunlight or my "tunnel vision"
10:00 < UtopiahGHML> Plantes connect?es et robots fleurs http://www.internetactu.net/2008/10/28/plantes-connectees-et-robots-fleurs/
11:34 < fenn> These results indicate that a low melatonin level, caused by a primary deficit in ASMT (gene) activity, is a risk factor for ASD. (autistic spectrum disorder)
11:36 < fenn> bah sample size of 3
11:37 < fenn> there should be a statistical significance number stamped in bold red at the top of every science journal article
11:39 < kanzure_> I wonder how these things get published.
11:40 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/graph/sbml_notes_2.txt
11:41 < fenn> ok their sample size was 250 but they only found 3 people with the defective gene
11:43 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/graph/xp_prg_sbmlTest.py 
11:46 < fenn> think you saved that file wrong
11:47 < kanzure_> Fixed.
11:49 < fenn> wheee. so what does that do?
11:49 < fenn> i mean, now you have a reaction model, but what's it for?
11:50 < fenn> it would plot a line with slope 0.5
11:50 < kanzure_> Fixed sbml_notes_2.txt ..
12:38 < kanzure_> The "I wanna make a quick buck off of you-guyz's hard work" newbie on diybio pisses me off.
12:39 < kanzure_> I can relate to being broke and being in college, but that's where I draw the line ..
12:54  * kanzure_ leaves
12:58 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/scratchinput/index.html awesome
13:14 < fenn> damn i was hoping they would triangulate the signal to find x,y coordinates of the fingernail
13:15 < UtopiahGHML> yep but I was hoping something more precise
13:15 < UtopiahGHML> but also this is so simple
13:15 < UtopiahGHML> yet pratical
13:15 < UtopiahGHML> unlike something potentially enormous that never works
13:16 < UtopiahGHML> plus... Im sure it's open so you can improve it :D
13:17 < fenn> i'm not convinced it's useful even with position coords
13:17 < UtopiahGHML> it's a natural interface
13:17 < fenn> but is it any better than, say, an accelerometer?
13:19 < UtopiahGHML> it's neither better or worse, it just opens new possibilities
13:30 < UtopiahGHML> http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/User:Lilly_Mendel weird
13:30 < UtopiahGHML> # rs363039(C;C) increased performance IQ
13:30 < UtopiahGHML> # rs363050(A;G) 3+ IQ points 
13:31 < UtopiahGHML> sounds like a video game
13:34 < fenn> i wonder how much of that has a basis in reality
13:36 < fenn> i could never make up my mind whether to be a thief or a mage
13:55 < fenn> A previously-married woman heads to bed for the first time with her new beau, and to his surprise, she admits to being a virgin. When he wonders why, she says, "Well, I was married to a genome biologist, and every night, he just sat in bed and talked about how great our sex life would be someday."
17:07 < xp_prg> kanzure you here?
17:08 < UtopiahGHML> (gosh, no coffee for 24h I was going to die)
17:14 < xp_prg> I made my first libsbml python script!
17:15 < UtopiahGHML> congrats
17:15 < xp_prg> where kanzure!!!
17:15 < bkero> New ubuntu is out for you ubuntards
17:15 < xp_prg> wow cool, what are the differences?
17:16 < UtopiahGHML> xp_prg: stop looking for validation, just to your best and improve :)
17:16 < xp_prg> I don't look for validation, my work speaks for itself :>
17:17 < bkero> I dunno
17:17 < bkero> I don't touch that stuff
17:17 < xp_prg> bkero what do you like?
17:17 < bkero> Rolling releases
17:18 < xp_prg> waht distro?
17:18 < bkero> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
17:18 < bkero> Gentoo
17:18 < xp_prg> I have not seen the rolling release approach work well, I wish it did :(
17:18 < bkero> What hasn't worked well about it?
17:19 < UtopiahGHML> bkero: does Gentoo offer a way to install it over the Internet with the last packages?
17:19 < bkero> UtopiahGHML: Gentoo has always installed over the internet.
17:19 < xp_prg> well upgrading breaks things, debian lives in the stoneage
17:19 < xp_prg> can't get new packages
17:19 < bkero> Debian lived in the stone age.  Unstable is pretty good now.
17:19 < xp_prg> gentoo is so complex words don't describe how difficult it is to manage and work with
17:19 < UtopiahGHML> eh...
17:20 < bkero> Gentoo isn't so complex.  I manage 300 gentoo machines at work :)
17:20 < UtopiahGHML> xp_prg: Linux distro are only as complex as how little you know about GNU/Linux
17:20 < bkero> Instead of 'apt-get install gnome', you 'emerge gnome'.  Instead of 'apt-get remove gnome' you 'emerge --unmerge gnome'.
17:21 < xp_prg> bkero is it truely easy to work with, I heard just configuring like the hardware is insane
17:21 < bkero> To 'apt-get update', you 'emerge --sync'.  To get a specific version of bash, you can 'emerge =app-shells/bash-3.2_p33'
17:22 < xp_prg> UtopiahGHML I have the utmost respect for gentoo users, its a massive undertaking
17:22 < bkero> You can use genkernel, and have a huge modularized kernel like every other release does.  Or you can 'emerge vanilla-sources' or 'emerge gentoo-sources', then 'cd /usr/src/linux' and 'make menuconfig'.  Select your hardware from a list, then save it, and 'make && make install'
17:22 < xp_prg> bkero what about configuring the hardware?
17:22 < UtopiahGHML> xp_prg: spend one weekend installing Linux From Scratch alias LFS then all the distro will look easy after that and IMHO it wrothes the trouble since you learn a lot
17:23 < xp_prg> UtophiahGHML I lack the patience, when I want to get something done in like 20 minutes, I turn to ubuntu, sad but true
17:23 < bkero> Gentoo also supports binary packages.
17:23 < UtopiahGHML> xp_prg: type uto[tab] faster ;)
17:23 < xp_prg> bkero what about configuring hardware?
17:23 < bkero> I don't understand.
17:24 < bkero> You mean like setting your IP?
17:24 < xp_prg> is it automatic?
17:24 < bkero> Define 'hardware'.
17:24 < xp_prg> no like configuring drivers for video cards, network cards, things like that
17:24 < bkero> Oh
17:24 < UtopiahGHML> if you don't have crazy hardware the Linux kernel supports it so it's distro intedependant
17:24 < kanzure__> "Fetched 20 MB in 10 seconds." <-- I never want to leave this place.
17:24 < bkero> emerge xf86-video-(intel|radeonhd|nvidia) for video
17:25 < kanzure__> Yes, xp_prg, I am here.
17:25 < xp_prg> kanzure did you see I made an sbml file with python last night!
17:25 < bkero> New X pretty much configures itself.  Wireless is kind of a pain in the ass.
17:25 < kanzure__> xp_prg: It's on the server.
17:26 < UtopiahGHML> bkero: configure itself configure itself... wanted to have multiple screen with my ATI in my X31 it didn't reallt configured itself :-x
17:26 < xp_prg> kanzure__ ok, so tell me what you want me to do now, give me more tasks
17:27 < bkero> UtopiahGHML: For multiple screens, just use xrandr
17:27 < xp_prg> kanzure__ did you get to run it?
17:27 < kanzure__> xp_prg: I don't know why you didn't bother to just make it do the whole thing.
17:28 < kanzure__> I mean, you were writing in the file anyway at the time ..
17:28 < kanzure__> what's two or three more lines, anyway?
17:28 < xp_prg> the whole thing?
17:28 < xp_prg> what is the whole thing?
17:29 < UtopiahGHML> is there any Lisp/Haskell/Functionnal_language mapping for biobricks?
17:29 < xp_prg> python is a functional language
17:29 < UtopiahGHML> well
17:29 < UtopiahGHML> guess one could generate some Python with Lisp, true
17:29 < xp_prg> kanzure__ ?
17:31 < fenn> python _can_be_ functional in about the same way as lisp _can_be_ object oriented
17:32 < xp_prg> kanzure__ what is the script missing that you want it to do?
17:32 < UtopiahGHML> I don't know Python well enough to agree or disagree so Ill trust you
17:33 < xp_prg> python is your friend, supports lambda functions, introspection etc...
17:35 < UtopiahGHML> well thing is, it seems to be more and more popular on the web, like a lot of API provide python hooks by default so Im starting to consider it more and more seriously
17:35 < xp_prg> ya I think it is popular, especially because of its easy of use
17:36 < xp_prg> its like visual basic for linux but with advanced features
17:36 < UtopiahGHML> wow
17:36 < UtopiahGHML> that doesn't sound appealing at all now ;)
17:36  * fenn resents comparison with VB
17:36 < xp_prg> well it is not as hard as c++ or java
17:37 < fenn> you dont have to type a lot of meaningless bullshit to get the job done
17:37 < fenn> and you dont have to read it either
17:37 < fenn> but it is a "real" programming language
17:37 < xp_prg> kanzure_ dude, I did what you said, you don't want to tell me more about what you want in the python script?
17:37 < UtopiahGHML> is manipulating the code itself with code easy?
17:38 < fenn> uh, there is an eval() but it's discouraged
17:38 < xp_prg> I haven't done a whole lot of that, but lamda anonymous functions are supported
17:38 < fenn> there's lots of try: except: stuff
17:38 < fenn> hasattr()
17:38 < faceface> http://www.pnas.org/content/96/14/8028.full
17:39 < UtopiahGHML> faceface: please title+link not just one or the other :/
17:39 < faceface> http://www.conservapedia.com/Letter_to_PNAS
17:39 < UtopiahGHML> faceface: please title+link not just one or the other :/
17:39 < faceface> http://pastebin.com/d69c7855a
17:39 < fenn> bwahaha
17:40 < faceface> The evolution of language -- PNAS
17:40 < faceface> http://www.pnas.org/content/96/14/8028.full
17:40 < UtopiahGHML> thank you
17:40 < faceface> The emergence of language was a defining moment in the evolution of modern humans. It was an innovation that changed radically the character of human society. Here, we provide an approach to language evolution based on evolutionary game theory.
17:40 < faceface> http://pastebin.com/d41cdf43f
17:40 < UtopiahGHML> (you could eventually have bind to share link in IRC, faster)
17:40 < faceface> bind?
17:41 < UtopiahGHML> shortcuts
17:41 < xp_prg> why is kanzure__ ignoring me when I have done what he has asked?
17:42 < faceface> xp_prg, he secretly hates you :(
17:42 < UtopiahGHML> :P
17:42 < faceface> only joking!
17:42 < faceface> don't know... 
17:42 < faceface> lets all shout at kanzure__ 
17:42 < xp_prg> well, that is uncool
17:42 < fenn> xp_prg: i think it's because you turned out to be a windows monkey
17:42 < xp_prg> I love linux!
17:46 < faceface> xp_prg, how much do you love it?
17:46 < faceface> prove it to us!!!
17:46 < faceface> mount that disk!!!
17:47 < fenn> grep it all night long
17:47 < UtopiahGHML> faceface: don't askk him to take a naked picture of him with Tux, please.
17:48  * xp_prg disrobes
17:49  * bkero wretches.
17:49  * xp_prg stands by his linux box
17:49 < xp_prg> take the picture you fool!
17:49 < UtopiahGHML> uh..
17:50 < kanzure__> xp_prg: I don't really want to give you more tasks because you don't seem to understand. Your python script is a step in the right direction, but I had to do it anyway before you got it to me, so it was untimely and after beating into your head (or trying to) one too many times. :-/
17:51 < xp_prg> ok your loss
17:51 < kanzure__> fenn: I've been noticing how quick VB runs on Windows. They must have a lot of extra optimization tricks there.
17:51 < kanzure__> My loss?
17:51 < bkero> Like undocumented APIs
17:51 < kanzure__> bkero: I have yet to spot a whole in MSDN. But then again I'm not looking.
17:53 < bkero> kanzure__: IE has been found to be using undocumented API calls to speed starting time.
17:53 < fenn> hehe 'IsNot' operator patented
17:53 < bkero> They patented a NOT gate?
17:54 < fenn> or tried to at least
17:56 < kanzure__> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/rules/ <- I have no idea if these will work with graphsynth or not. Maybe.
17:56 < kanzure__> They're not too interesting yet.
18:00 < fenn> i need to learn how to write unit tests some day
18:01 < kanzure__> when I do rapid coding I sometimes write unit tests, but they aren't "formal"
18:01 < kanzure__> also, they don't plug into make files or anything, so it's even worse than informal
18:02 < fenn> i guess i just have trouble with the concept since i'm more "bottom up" programmer
18:02 < kanzure__> I've never really needed to use a unit test I guess
18:03 < kanzure__> "all journeys start with a first step" s/journey/program/ s/step/line/
18:03 < fenn> all programs start with <vasodilator of choice>
18:04 < fenn> and plenty of silence
18:04 < xp_prg> is there an api to lookup the dna sequence for a specific bio brick?
18:06 < fenn> oik.. "Note: while the gender ratio in computing as a whole is about six to one, the ratio in open source is closer to 200:1"
18:07 < fenn> hunted to extinction indeed
18:08 < fenn> UtopiahGHML: this has been recommended by various people: http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html
18:09 < fenn> hmm it doesnt say anything about generators
19:29 < fenn> huh i learned a new python introspection method: dir()
19:30 < fenn> returns list of attributes
19:36 < kanzure__> attributes of a dir?
19:37 < fenn> attributes of a python object
19:37 < fenn> or class or module or whatever
19:38 < fenn> help() is better suited to humans of course
19:49 < kanzure__> now I feel silly having gone to the api docs
20:00 < kanzure__> Given a random graph, what's the average connectivity? The probability of a certain vertex having a certain number of connections.
20:00 < fenn> depends on the graph
20:01 < fenn> how you define "random graph"
20:01 < kanzure__> right, like the saturation measure
20:01 < kanzure__> I'm not quite sure
20:01 < kanzure__> I'm randomly generating a graph
20:01 < kanzure__> and am wondering how to make it look 'natural'
20:01 < kanzure__> as if I haven't been randomly generating them
20:02 < kanzure__> 50/50 probability of a node having an arc? That doesn't sound right.
20:02 < fenn> arc = degenerate graph?
20:02 < kanzure__> huh?
20:02 < kanzure__> arc = edge
20:03 < fenn> anyway i think the number of connections should follow a 1/x distribution
20:03 < kanzure__> arc = degenerate linux though. :/
20:03 < fenn> erf its past bedtime
20:03 < kanzure__> how can you tell?
20:03 < fenn> number of nodes with n edges = 1/n
20:04 < fenn> times total
20:05 < fenn> small world network
20:07 < fenn> all nodes should eventually be reachable from all other nodes
20:09 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network
20:16 < kanzure__> http://search.cpan.org/dist/Math-TrulyRandom/TrulyRandom.pod <- I'm insulted.
20:52 < kanzure__> fenn: If you had to be forced to select an item from a defined set, and this was on a web page, how would you want to do it? Something other than a SELECT element perhaps?
21:12 -!- Nofaris is now known as Nofairs
21:14 < kanzure__> http://www.contextfreeart.org/gallery/view.php?id=1399 <-- They have to be cheating.
21:23 < willPow3r> so halloween is failing to restore consumer confidence.
21:23 < willPow3r> so much for that 5x5 hex
21:23 < willPow3r> to bring it back
21:27 < kanzure__> What's "consumer confidence"?
21:27 < kanzure__> That their products are really, truly their products?
21:27 < willPow3r> in their ability to spend money they don't have
21:28 < kanzure__> I thought people excelled at that?
21:29 < willPow3r> only when they see that everybody else feels confident, as shown by the consumer confidence index
21:47 < xp_prg> ppk you back yet?
21:52 < kanzure__> willPow3r: Isn't that a dangerous feedback loop?
22:24 < kanzure__> fenn: Weren't you the one who was showing me contextfreeart.org?
22:30 < UtopiahGHML> if that's not a proof that the universe is fractal...
22:42 < kanzure__> http://dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu/graph/graph-easy/
22:42 < kanzure__> "New and improved"
22:42 < kanzure__> MAKE button doesn't do anything except fail.
22:42 < kanzure__> (But note the other modifications.)
22:45 < kanzure__> "Make" will eventually show you the intersection between the graph that you have drawn, of various functions and whatnot, and that of the "solutions" to those 'black boxes' already in the database.
23:26 < ybit> kanzure_ saw the moontank page, very interesting
23:26 < kanzure_> Only just now? :) It's quite old.
23:26 < ybit> aside from an attempt to preserve humans bio culture on earth, what's the point in a moonbase?
23:27 < ybit> yeah, i saw it a few days ago, but it has my mind atm :)
23:27 < kanzure_> Months old, I mean.
23:27 < kanzure_> There are many competing concepts of moonbases.
23:27 < ybit> i know, i see the dates
23:27 < kanzure_> Everything from "That's no moon, that's a space station." to "mining facilities".
23:28 < kanzure_> and to "well, we have a flag, at least, right? Right? Oh, that's a conspiracy too?"
23:30 < ybit> ugh, i just realized a few ideas which answered my question. unfortunately, i have an astro dork meeting. cheers
23:40 < kanzure_> "My father was a type of he-man, working on the atomic bomb project at day, sleeping with Marilyn Monroe at night. And selling secrets to the Russians over lunch." - Dr. Frink.
23:41 < splicer> sounds like a guy who lived life to the fullest
23:42 < kanzure_> You know Fink?
23:42 < kanzure_> I suppose that's Professor Fink, not doctor.
23:43 < kanzure_> Frink.