--- Day changed Thu Nov 06 2008 00:47 < kanzure_> Hi. 02:01 < fenn> why does skdb redirect to "HAGGER?????????"? 02:01 < fenn> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Skdb 02:03 < gene_> kanzure, you there? 02:03 < gene_> you want to drive the sonicator at a higher frequency? 02:05 < gene_> so someone was talking about an ultrasonic deathray the other day? 02:06 < fenn> yikes 02:07 < fenn> planar wave explosion reflected off a high density parabolic disc = bad news at the focal point 02:07 < gene_> kanzure told me someone built one 02:07 < gene_> and it worked 02:08 < fenn> define "worked"? 02:08 < kanzure_> burned somebody's hand? 02:08 < kanzure_> What was that about, again? 02:08 < fenn> converting compressed air to electricity for paint spraying robots 02:08 < gene_> link Kanzure? 02:08 < fenn> via ultrasonics/piezo 02:08 < kanzure_> No link. 02:09 < gene_> and it set stuff on fire? 02:09 < fenn> this was someone's top secret project (no longer top secret now that there's a patent i guess) 02:09 < fenn> it set stuff on fire on accident sometimes 02:09 < fenn> it's basically a high powered dog whistle 02:10 < kanzure_> :) 02:10 < gene_> and it had a parabolic dish that focused it? 02:10 < fenn> no 02:10 < fenn> that was me being random 02:10 < fenn> hrm. so i guess i'll fix the weird redirect 02:11 < gene_> whoa disconnected there 02:11 < kanzure_> Anyway, we have an acre with at least two 2500 sq foot plots at Brackenridge Field Labs. 02:11 < kanzure_> plus green house. 02:11 < fenn> "For great justice and epic lulz." bah 02:11 < kanzure_> What we need to do is submit the greenhouse to MTV for "pimp my greenhouse". Throw in a hammock and it'll be totally pimped out. 02:12 < gene_> so it was a device that converted compressed air to electricity via ultrasound for robots? 02:12 < gene_> how big are we scaling up to? 02:13 < kanzure_> At least 10,000 gallons. But the BFL greenhouse will be about 500 gallons. 02:13 < gene_> how big is that? 02:14 < kanzure_> 10,000 gallons is 1300 cubic feet. 02:14 < gene_> ok 02:15 < gene_> anyway so this secret ultrasonic thing could set stuff on fire like a deathray or not? 02:15 < kanzure_> Anyway, if the fluid dynamics ends up working out for the membraneless filter, then we're going to do a portable filtration system to wire up at the field lab. 02:16 < gene_> ok 02:18 < fenn> gene_: it was more of a side effect than anything, but you could design an ultrasonic deathray if you wanted 02:18 < kanzure_> Have you emailed the ME302 parts yet? 02:18 < gene_> YES 02:18 < kanzure_> Including the front plate? 02:18 < kanzure_> The side plates, I mean. 02:18 < fenn> the messerschmitt parts? 02:18 < gene_> the cover 02:18 < gene_> no 02:18 < kanzure_> I've seen some emails with the trigger sldprt file, but not the cover. 02:19 < kanzure_> Yeah, so email us what you have 02:19 < kanzure_> otherwise we can't really help you 02:19 < gene_> I did 02:19 < kanzure_> The cover? 02:19 < gene_> that's what I have 02:19 < kanzure_> You just said "no". 02:19 * fenn hides 02:20 < gene_> I haven't even started on the cover 02:20 < kanzure_> OK, that's kinda important to tell us. 02:20 < kanzure_> The rest of us would have started on it .. 02:20 < gene_> oh wait 02:20 < gene_> I might have something 02:21 < gene_> I can't find a reference point to work with on the cover 02:23 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/me302/project/ has the sldprt files, btw. 02:23 < gene_> ok 02:24 < gene_> so I would like to read up on that ultrasonic deathray 02:24 < gene_> do you have the logs? 02:24 < kanzure_> fenn has told you more than is in the logs 02:24 < gene_> ok 02:24 < fenn> gene_: google site:linuxcnc.org fingerburner 02:25 < fenn> you might want to grep USPTO 02:26 < fenn> inventor: les watts, something like that 02:26 < gene_> dang 02:26 < gene_> you do cnc? 02:26 < fenn> eh, *sulks* 02:26 < kanzure_> gene_: CNC plays a big part in most of our ideas, but sadly not a big role in our garages 02:27 < gene_> heh 02:27 < fenn> i am too scatterbrained to finish any projects 02:27 < gene_> you could do cnc with legos if you really wanted to 02:27 < fenn> suffice to say, the lathe servos are mounted, all that needs doing is the electronics 02:28 < gene_> heh 02:28 < fenn> just visited IU robotics club tonight, looks like the new "leader" or whatever is fairly clueful (physics grad student) 02:32 < gene_> so it looks like this finger burner isn't a deathray 02:32 < gene_> it just gets hot 02:32 < kanzure_> I never said deathray. 02:33 < fenn> you must admit that solid state electricity generation is cool 02:33 < fenn> well, no moving parts at least 02:33 < kanzure_> Input? 02:33 < fenn> compressed air 02:34 < gene_> ha 02:34 < gene_> thermoacoustic is cooler though 02:35 < gene_> probably much more efficient too 02:36 -!- kanzure_ changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: no philosophy, and no talk about energy or efficiency without groundtruthing 02:36 * kanzure_ will try to follow the new /topic 02:37 < gene_> ok 02:37 < gene_> oh an kanzure 02:38 < gene_> you really don't want to adjust the frequency on the sonicator 02:38 < kanzure_> Yes I do. 02:38 < kanzure_> And decrease the wattage from 200 to 1. 02:38 < kanzure_> 02:38 < kanzure_> I suppose I should yes I would. 02:38 < kanzure_> There's a distinction between actually doing it and wanting to do it, and I'm not going to use it for that. 02:40 < gene_> no 02:40 < gene_> you really don't 02:40 < gene_> and can't 02:40 < gene_> the sonicator only works at it's resonant frequency 02:41 < kanzure_> Replace the crystal. 02:41 < gene_> or maybe multiples of such 02:41 < gene_> then you have to machine a new horn 02:42 < gene_> out of titanium 02:43 < gene_> oh yeah did I mention this: 02:45 < gene_> "SONICATOR Cell Disruptor can be used effectively as a tissue homogenizer and disintegrator. Its use is especially interesting on difficult tissue such as muscle and skin which cannot be disrupted easily by other methods. " 02:45 < kanzure_> That was in the packet. 02:45 < gene_> yeah 02:45 < kanzure_> I don't have a copy. 02:46 < gene_> so don't touch the sonicator 02:46 < kanzure_> I know what 200 watts means. 02:46 < gene_> unless you want to be homogenized 02:46 < gene_> Heck, this thing can even disrupt hair 02:48 < gene_> they also make the claim that it will break any cell or organism 02:48 < gene_> but then again 02:49 < gene_> they don't exist any more 02:53 < gene_> we also have to be real careful with it 02:55 < fenn> what dont exist any more? 02:55 < kanzure_> "They" 02:55 < gene_> they got bought out 02:56 < fenn> is "SONICATOR" some company name? i thought it was a generic tool description 02:56 < gene_> no 02:56 < fenn> whew, well at least i dont have to worry about "them" anymore 02:57 < gene_> the sonicator also can't touch anything solid 02:57 < fenn> maybe it would sound cooler if you called it a "disruptor" 02:57 < gene_> or else something very bad will happen 02:57 < kanzure_> fenn: I'm not a fan of this ambiguity either. 02:57 < gene_> it's a sonicator 02:58 < gene_> a sonicator can be used as a disruptor or any number of things 02:58 < fenn> like stimulating cat nerves 02:58 < gene_> not this thing 02:59 < gene_> nerves and brain tissue are the easiest things to homogenize 02:59 < fenn> what frequency does it run at? 02:59 < gene_> 20khz 03:00 < fenn> oh right that works on cavitation 03:00 < gene_> it can also completely remove all the CO2 from beer within 30 seconds 03:01 < fenn> fascinating 03:01 < gene_> yeah 03:01 < fenn> can it blow bubbles? 03:01 < gene_> yeah 03:01 < gene_> lots 03:01 < gene_> lots of bubbles filled with nothing at all 03:02 < kanzure_> fenn: It wouldn't stimulate cat nerves at 20 kHz and 200 watts applied at the plane of intersection with the ultrasound. 03:02 < gene_> that expand and contract so fast they glow 03:02 < fenn> kanzure_: naturally 03:02 < kanzure_> Rather it would homogenize. 03:02 < kanzure_> fenn: Okay. Just making sure. 03:02 < gene_> oh yeah 03:02 < kanzure_> We seem to be talking about one too many things here. 03:02 < kanzure_> I'm leaving. 03:02 < gene_> one important thing kanzure 03:02 < gene_> don't cross the streams 03:02 < gene_> ! 03:02 < kanzure_> Which streams? 03:03 < fenn> << and >> 03:03 < gene_> I have to leave now 03:03 < kanzure_> What? 03:03 < fenn> um, i mean, stdin and stdout 03:03 < gene_> it's a joke 03:04 < fenn> yeah well, if you're leaving, and you're leaving, them I'M LEAVING 03:04 < kanzure_> I'm not really leaving. :-/ 03:04 < kanzure_> Just ignoring everyone. 03:09 < kanzure_> So we're trying to implement gene's membraneless filtration system 03:10 < kanzure_> pump + garden hose + hose splitter at the end that will supposedly have algae coming out one end and water the other 03:10 < fenn> some kind of cyclone separation? 03:11 * fenn is thinking hilsch vortex tube 03:11 < kanzure_> apparently it's supposed to be like centrifugation except you don't move the container, since it's just a tube in a circular pattern 03:11 < kanzure_> s/circular/spiralular/ 03:11 < kanzure_> *spiraling 03:13 < fenn> kanzure_: if you havent seen ghost in the shell SAC, you should at least watch episode 11 03:14 < kanzure_> Which one was episode 11? 03:14 < kanzure_> I only remember the episode counter randomly jittering around when I've seen it on television. 03:14 < fenn> hum. it's not that important, just sort of reminded me of your aspie-admiring ways 03:15 < kanzure_> Kind of random 03:15 < fenn> its about kids with "closed shell cyberbrain disorder" or somesuch 03:15 < fenn> and they are superhackers being used by the gov't (or something?) 03:15 < kanzure_> Something about some shadowy character controlling these peoples, 03:16 < fenn> the laughing man 03:16 < kanzure_> some background plot that extends for a good number of episodes 03:16 < kanzure_> right 03:16 * kanzure_ forgot the name "The Laughing Man" 03:16 < fenn> i thought i wouldn't be one of those deaf dumb mute 03:16 < kanzure_> ? 03:16 < fenn> weirdly enough google doesn't know 03:17 < fenn> it's the words rotating around the laughing man logo 03:17 < fenn> and in paint written by the catatonic kid 03:17 < kanzure_> I was searching around last night for autism+catatonia. 03:18 < kanzure_> Not much showed up. It's hard for me to verbalize the problems I'm starting to notice that are growing worse. 03:18 < fenn> "the problems" = you? or the world? or you + the world interacting? 03:18 < kanzure_> Me. 03:18 < kanzure_> Not interacting with "the world" (if you mean as in 'other people'). 03:19 < fenn> right 03:21 < kanzure_> Off of the stimulants, it's like a catatonia, or generalized anxiety of generally doing things, I don't know what to call it. I don't "do things" but I clearly _do_ do things, because I end up outside at the 7-11 or subway, or pacing around and giggling maniachially, etc. 03:22 < kanzure_> It's not a lack of 'motivation' or 'will power' or 'volition', because that's completely there, but some sort of motor execution issue maybe. But I don't know if I'm just making up random excuses. 03:23 < kanzure_> Do you know how it is when you're writing some particularly complex source code, and not only is it complex and new, but you don't do it in small chunks, and you just do it all at once, and the confusion of mapping out all aspects just leads to a general inability to go do it? 03:24 < kanzure_> That's exactly the feeling I get when I have to go get something from, say, the backpack or shelf. 03:24 < kanzure_> How weird is that? 03:58 < kanzure_> Hah! 03:58 < kanzure_> http://courses.utexas.edu/ 03:58 < kanzure_> "We appreciate all of the UNIX/Linux voting going on." 03:59 < kanzure_> Results: 5990 - XP, 5629 - Vista, 49230 - Linux, 6130 - Mac OS X, 809 - Other 04:06 < willPow3r> its nice to see that linux is far more prolific than macos x 04:07 < kanzure_> Are you being sarcastic? 04:07 < willPow3r> actually, i dont understand the metric. so n/m. 04:07 < kanzure_> It's a poll. 04:07 < kanzure_> It's funny because it's easy to cheat. 04:08 < kanzure_> And thus the linuxpeople cheat. 04:08 < willPow3r> ah. for the lulz. 04:49 -!- percent is now known as jihaaaad 04:54 < kanzure_> scooter - turn up that blaster <- Clearly infringes upon the Terminator 2 theme. 04:57 < gene_> huh? --- Log closed Thu Nov 06 06:40:10 2008 --- Log opened Thu Nov 06 07:00:55 2008 07:00 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 07:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 0 secs 13:00 < willPow3r> AHHAHA YES!!!11 http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ 13:01 < UtopiahGHML> (for those who like recursion : http://fractalyze.blogspot.com/ ) 13:02 < willPow3r> very pretty. fractals are amazing 13:03 < UtopiahGHML> if you like that you might enjoy ContextFreeArt.org that has been posted here before 13:04 < willPow3r> i've seen stuff on there 13:04 < willPow3r> u guys use twitter at all? 13:04 < UtopiahGHML> kanzure-_: does and his father too ;) 13:05 < UtopiahGHML> I don't but I might change, that or other form of microblogging 13:05 < UtopiahGHML> but more for personal notetaking than anything else 13:05 < UtopiahGHML> (especially not about making my life public) 13:05 < willPow3r> i just signed up for it tonight. looks like a mini version of facebook, more or less 13:05 < UtopiahGHML> it's like your status line in IM/Facebook yes 13:07 < willPow3r> thats all it is. 13:07 < UtopiahGHML> but you can subscribe to other people's Twitts 13:09 < willPow3r> if u sign up, let me know, i'll add you 13:10 < UtopiahGHML> (I loved how Julien from http://fractalyze.blogspot.com/2007/01/fractalyze-00.html did the whole blog as a fractal too, I mean you see the progress as each step using the result of the preceding one, a learning process with a visual result) 13:10 < UtopiahGHML> sure, Ill think about saying sth interesting first then Ill Twitt ;) 18:02 -!- percent is now known as jihaaad 20:17 < xp_prg> kanzure have you seen this: http://www.celldesigner.org/ ? 22:02 < nsh> anyone have access to Phys. Rev. Lett. ? 22:03 < nsh> specifically: "Evolution of long-range fractal correlations and 1/f noise in DNA base sequences." 23:48 < UtopiahGHML> kanzure-_: have you discussed with Disjkstra? is he still in Austin's Uni?