--- Day changed Sat Nov 15 2008 00:00 < fenn> i've never met him, just read papers and videos 00:00 < fenn> the fab@home thing bugs me 00:00 < kanzure_> nope, doesn't display in links2 00:00 < fenn> its all pictures anyway 00:01 < fenn> if you have video: http://media.rockpapershotgun.com/eskil.flv 00:01 < kanzure_> I'll have to fix the desktop. 00:01 < fenn> works in mplayer 00:01 < kanzure_> the mobo hit metal and turned off yesterday. 00:01 < fenn> oops 00:02 < fenn> "love" uses some sort of grammar to generate the landscape and buildings 00:03 < fenn> it's very much like what i wanted for smirf 00:03 < kanzure_> campbell has a weird fascination with contextfreeart.org, which I think you showed me like the day before he did. 00:03 < fenn> that figures 00:03 < kanzure_> after looking I can see why. 00:03 < kanzure_> "WTF, how did they get that from that?" "that's what I want you to figure out, Bryan" "oh. hm." 00:03 < fenn> the halloween one? 00:04 < kanzure_> nah, just random clicking in their gallery 00:06 < fenn> "what i want you to figure out" is basically the premise of NKS 00:06 < kanzure_> heh 00:06 < fenn> complex behavior arises from simple rules 00:06 < fenn> god i feel like i'm becoming my parents 00:06 < fenn> this is what my mom studied 00:07 < kanzure_> sure, sure, I know complexity science, I anxst over it 00:07 < kanzure_> just haven't memorized/read NKS. 00:07 < fenn> it's a good intro, that's all 00:07 < fenn> "everything has changed but our thinking" 00:08 < fenn> hah pdfernhout.net 00:08 < kanzure_> hm? 00:08 < fenn> i'm pretty sure i got that quote from some feynman interview (from einstein) 00:09 < fenn> oo its on bootstrap.org too 00:09 < kanzure_> That's why. 00:09 < fenn> dammit from paul again (on boostrap) 00:09 < fenn> who is this guy? :) 00:09 < kanzure_> I keep running into myself on the internet. 00:10 < fenn> good thing this channel isnt logged or we'd never be able to find anything but hplusroadmap logs 00:11 < fenn> computer-aided groupthink 00:14 < fenn> i should just write a markov bot that imitates me, so i dont actually have to write emails to mailing lists 00:15 < kanzure_> didn't we just talk about that? 00:15 < kanzure_> I wonder what would happen if we posted logs though 00:15 < kanzure_> would we find more of ourselves? 00:16 < fenn> want to find out? >:) 00:16 < kanzure_> well. 00:16 < kanzure_> I'm not sure. 00:17 < fenn> and is more people even necessary? openmanufacturing has a lot already 00:18 < fenn> not to mention tt wta-talk etc 00:18 < kanzure_> I'm more thinking about the people that are throwing good terms into the search engine but still not hitting us up. 00:18 < kanzure_> one of the main reasons why you (still) find so much of my stuff throughout the internet is because it's kind of my way of letting me find myself. whether that means me-me, or some other me. Hard to explain. :) 00:19 < kanzure_> But I have found my 2003 self before, and so on. 00:19 < fenn> right 00:31 < kanzure_> gene: There's now furric sulfate and furric chloride in Sata's lab. So I'll flocculant either tomorrow or on Monday. 00:32 < fenn> ew 00:32 < fenn> that's brown chemically stuff right? 00:33 < kanzure_> I didn't check. 00:33 < kanzure_> I wasn't aware of how strong a grip Fisher Scientific had on the university. 00:33 < kanzure_> The chemical storeroom was quite literally a storefront for Fisher Scientific. 00:33 < kanzure_> It was odd. 00:33 < fenn> its the stuff they used to use for etching pcb's 00:33 < kanzure_> The lady at the desk was like a retired veteran or something. 00:33 < kanzure_> "YOU WANT FURRIC _WHAT_? WHY NOT JUST GET SOME NITROGEN EXPLOSIVES. BIG BOOM." 00:34 < kanzure_> "No, I want furric sulfate please." 00:34 < kanzure_> "BIG BOOM?" 00:34 < fenn> weird 00:34 < kanzure_> :p 00:34 < kanzure_> I think she just fetches chemicals for everyone. 00:34 < kanzure_> Thus her job .. 00:34 < willPow3r> ferric sufate? 00:34 < kanzure_> ferric. 01:07 < gene> hey kanzure I found me a macro that does involute curves 01:08 < kanzure_> in what software package? 01:08 < gene> I can't figure out how to use it 01:08 < gene> MACRO to GENERATE INVOLUTE PATH with SOLIDWORKS 01:08 < gene> =============================================== 01:08 < gene> Sub main() 01:08 < gene> Set swApp = Application.SldWorks 01:08 < gene> Set Part = swApp.ActiveDoc 01:08 < gene> '---------- 01:08 < gene> R = 71.6034 'ENTER BASE CIRCLE RADIUS 01:08 < gene> pi = 4 * Atn(1) 01:08 < gene> For Ang = 0 To 45 Step 2 01:08 < gene> X1 = Cos(Ang / 180 * pi) * R 01:08 < gene> Y1 = Sin(Ang / 180 * pi) * R 01:08 < gene> Opp = R * 2 * pi 01:08 < gene> Opp = Opp * (Ang / 360) 01:08 < gene> Hyp = Sqr(R ^ 2 + Opp ^ 2) 01:08 < gene> Ang2 = Atn(Opp / R) 01:08 < gene> Ang2 = Ang2 / pi * 180 01:08 < gene> Ang3 = Ang - Ang2 01:08 < gene> X2 = Hyp * Cos(Ang3 / 180 * pi) 01:08 < gene> X2 = Int(X2 * 10000 + 0.5) / 10000 01:08 < gene> Y2 = Hyp * Sin(Ang3 / 180 * pi) 01:08 < gene> Y2 = Int(Y2 * 10000 + 0.5) / 10000 01:09 < gene> XX = X2 / 1000 01:09 < gene> YY = Y2 / 1000 01:09 < gene> Part.CreateLine2 X, Y, 0, XX, YY, 0 01:09 < kanzure_> WHY ISN'T HE KICKED? 01:09 < gene> X = XX 01:09 < gene> Y = YY 01:09 < gene> Next Ang 01:09 < gene> '---------- 01:09 < gene> End Sub 01:09 < gene> that's it 01:09 < gene> no idea 01:09 < gene> what do you mean? 01:09 < gene> why isn't he kicked? 01:09 < kanzure_> Freenode has a max paste of six lines before they kick you. 01:09 < gene> heh 01:10 < kanzure_> That looks like some basic scripting language. 01:10 < kanzure_> I'm sure there's a prompt or interpreter in Solidworks. 01:10 < gene> yeah 01:11 < gene> it don't compile 01:11 < kanzure_> I doubt it has a compiler. 01:12 < gene> it does 01:12 < gene> some weird microsoft visual basic stuff 01:13 < gene> Ok 01:14 < kanzure_> Huh, Paul caught on to Convergence08. I thought he wanted to distance himself from the transhuman community .. 01:16 < gene> huh? 01:17 < kanzure_> Paul's the guy behind OSCOMAK. 01:17 < kanzure_> http://oscomak.net/ 01:31 < kanzure_> Yay dual internet connection speed is back up. 01:31 * kanzure_ installs monodevelop 01:32 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/2008-11-14/ <- Stuff I took from a professor today. 01:57 < bkero> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16029-dna-strands-become-fibre-optic-cables.html?DCMP=ts 01:59 < kanzure_> hrm, that sounds important 01:59 * kanzure_ types it in. 02:00 < bkero> kanzure_: dillo got css and https support :) 02:05 < kanzure_> Aren't YO chromophores just a fluorescent dye? 02:05 < kanzure_> oxazole yellow or something 02:07 * bkero shrugs 02:07 < bkero> If they're passing photons, they could very easily act as a dye 02:07 < gene> squid chromophores? 02:11 < kanzure> http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-dna-strands-researchers_9111.html 02:11 < kanzure> "The longest strands are one millimeter long, and only one nanometer thick. On a larger scale, positioning such a long, skinny tendril of DNA is like wielding a human hair that is ten meters (30 feet) long. Yet Lee and Guan are able to arrange their DNA strands with nanometer precision, using relatively simple equipment." 02:11 < kanzure> "In this patent-pending technology, the researchers press the comb into a drop of water containing coils of DNA molecules. Some of the DNA strands fall between the comb's teeth, so that the strands uncoil and stretch out along the surface of the comb as it is pulled from the water." 02:11 < kanzure> `"Basically, we're doing nanotechnology using only a piece of rubber and a tiny droplet of DNA solution," Guan said.` 02:12 < bkero> lol 02:12 < kanzure> 'The technique that Lee and Guan used is similar to a relatively inexpensive chip-making technology called soft lithography, where rubber molds press materials into shape.' 02:12 < kanzure> Heh. 02:13 < kanzure> http://www.instructables.com/id/5_minute_DNA_Extraction_in_a_Shot_Glass/ 02:13 < kanzure> All you need is a chromophore and in 40 minutes you'll have a bitching 1 bit per sec gateway into oblivion. 02:14 < kanzure> "Use straws". 02:23 < bkero> Nice 02:24 < kanzure_> Too bad the length isn't significant. I know a few people interested in a "DNA straw tube internet connectivity apparatus". 02:25 < bkero> I wonder what the bandwidth is 02:26 < kanzure_> Besides nonexistent? 02:26 < bkero> Yea 02:39 < fenn> never underestimate the bandwidth of a comet full of microbes hurtling across the galaxy 02:51 < fenn> The large geometry change associated with azobenzene photoisomerization has also been used to control protein activity with light. 02:51 < fenn> ...When applied to ion channels in the nervous system, this approach affords optical control of electrical activity in neurons. 02:51 < fenn> sounds like useful stuff 02:53 < fenn> a thin film was made to bend and unbend by exposing it to polarized light. The direction of the macroscopic motion could be controlled by the polarization direction. 02:53 < kanzure_> Wasn't that in SciAm last month re: optogenetics? 02:54 < kanzure_> Not the film bending, the azobenzene photoisomerization 02:58 < fenn> i was thinking it might be useful for building a writozyme 03:00 < kanzure_> In ion channels this is probably controlling the blocking amino acid chains that are responsible for the process of 'inactivation', when sodium ion channels 'clog' (with their own mechanism) so that they no longer influence the membrane potential. I think. 03:22 < gene> whoa what did I miss 03:22 < kanzure_> Grr. ME server has changed its address. 03:23 < kanzure_> ybit: Any particular reason we can't hold this conversion here? 03:23 < kanzure_> Hi PeerInfinity. 03:23 < PeerInfinity> hi kanzure :D 03:23 * PeerInfinity hugs :) 03:23 < ybit> kanzure_ nope, none at all 03:23 < kanzure_> It is not recommended to be in a system where you have to rely on bartering algorithms in order to survive. 03:24 < ybit> so.. if you need something, you can just ask someone. for instance, freecycle works quite nicely 03:24 < gene> what you started using the ME server kanzure? 03:24 < kanzure_> gene: Notice that it said that "kanzure__ [i=dhcp-84-12.me.utexas.]". 03:25 < kanzure_> gene: The previous address was dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu. 03:25 < gene> oh 03:25 < gene> not the software server 03:25 < ybit> and there are volunteers to help with other services which may be rendered in an open money community 03:25 < kanzure_> Huh? Yes, it's a software server. 03:25 < gene> they have some pretty awesome warez on it 03:26 < gene> have you used the warez on it? 03:26 < kanzure_> ybit: I think your assumptions for an implementation context are different than what I'm talking about. 03:26 < kanzure_> I think you're assuming "oh shit, we're spawned in a randomass society,, now what do we do to get stuff done?" And I'm ranting about how stupid everybody is for bad design. 03:26 < kanzure_> gene: Yes. 03:26 < gene> try out real model 03:27 < gene> or whatever the heck it is called 03:27 < ybit> kanzure_ can you elaborate? 03:27 < kanzure_> ybit: From a pioneer's perspective, why would you try to build a home/family, much less a city or civilization, out of materials that aren't adequate? 03:27 < bkero> necessity 03:28 < kanzure_> Then you have to add in stupid overhead to manage how things go around just because you screwed up? 03:28 < bkero> If you start in a rush, you get a shitty base, and have to make a bunch of scaffolding around it to support it 03:28 < bkero> See: US air travel 03:28 < kanzure_> Air travel? 03:28 < kanzure_> Why is that an example of that? 03:29 < bkero> When air travel was first monetized, nobody really knew how to build a proper infrastructure] 03:29 < kanzure_> Do you know a little bit of the history that you could elaborate on? 03:29 < ybit> open money seems like a temporary solution to the problem of scarcity 03:29 < gene> DAMMIT 03:30 < gene> solidworks crashed 03:30 < bkero> We just need to eliminate scarcity 03:30 < ybit> right 03:31 < gene> could you eliminate the scarcity of energy? 03:31 < kanzure_> Open money doesn't seem like a temporary solution at all because of the barrier-to-entry into mining operations. 03:31 < gene> or original paintings 03:31 < kanzure_> In terms of energy, however, I might agree, because of how ridiculously easy it is to grow little organisms that photosynthesize and live in the oceans. What do we call those again? 03:31 < kanzure_> photosynthetes? 03:31 < gene> no 03:32 < gene> I mean in the long term 03:32 < gene> very longterm 03:32 < kanzure_> Heat death longterm? 03:32 < gene> yeah 03:32 < gene> heat death 03:33 < kanzure_> gene: read the logs. 03:33 < bkero> Eliminating the scarcity of energy would only be possible through free energy. We just need to overcome that pesky conservation of energy laws 03:33 < gene> ok 03:33 < ybit> what barriers of entry in mining do you reference kanzure_? 03:33 < gene> ok 03:33 < ybit> just curious 03:33 < kanzure_> ybit: I also refer to barriers to entry in terms of getting corporations to expose their RFQ/ordering interfaces. 03:33 < gene> so how do we get tantalum? 03:33 < gene> weird minerals 03:34 < gene> necessary for semiconductors and electronics 03:34 < kanzure_> http://mindat.org/ might list businesses that mine tantalum, but it doesn't expose a consistent ordering API 03:34 < kanzure_> (one doesn't exist (and yet many companies do have such an API (reserved for "business to business" bullshitting))) 03:34 < gene> refresh me on what an API is? 03:34 < kanzure_> Application Protocol Interface 03:34 < kanzure_> Application Program Interface 03:34 < gene> ok 03:34 < gene> no idea 03:35 < gene> let's move on then 03:35 < kanzure_> uh? Materials are kind of important for just about everything, gene. 03:35 < gene> some minerals take lots of ore processing to get to 03:35 < kanzure_> So what? 03:35 < gene> you have to go through lots of xx ore to get xx 03:36 < kanzure_> We were talking about APIs for material ordering and retrieval in (preferably non-monetary) scenarios. 03:36 < gene> ok 03:36 < kanzure_> Why are you mentioning this, then? 03:37 < gene> I though you were trying to achieve post scarcity 03:37 < gene> in order to achieve PC 03:37 < gene> PS 03:37 < gene> I mean 03:37 < kanzure_> What does that have to do with having to go through layers of different material processing techniques to get to goods? 03:37 < gene> things are made from raw materials 03:38 < kanzure_> Which you don't have access to in bulk. 03:38 < kanzure_> That's why I was talking about the API work. 03:38 < kanzure_> Sigh. 03:39 < gene> ok 03:39 < gene> I don't get it 03:41 < kanzure_> In order to live and build stuff, you need raw materials, and we were talking about post-scarcity economics thereof; this would usually mean doing away with monetary systems and instead being damned sure about how much 'growth' you can withstand (can you support another person? another space shuttle project? etc.). APIs allow computers to get this information automatically. 03:41 < kanzure_> This is in a sense part of the 'cyberinfrastructure' that, ideally, NSF is promoting with VOICED, heh'. 03:41 < gene> Ok 03:42 < gene> I want to build a house the size of a mountain 03:42 < kanzure_> Out of what? 03:42 < gene> utilizing everything 03:42 < gene> steel 03:42 < kanzure_> Who is your steel supplier? 03:43 < gene> this is non monetary isn't it 03:43 < kanzure_> yeah, but you still have to physically get your materials from somewhere (it's not in your pocket (but it should be)) 03:44 < kanzure_> So maybe you have installed an automatic ore and cold-pressed steel factory, can you tell me at which coords you built this system? How did you build the system anyway? 03:44 < kanzure_> See, the scenarios are incomplete because nobody really has this sort of information as it is. Everything is presently just a terrible hack. . 03:44 * kanzure_ feels like he's holding a lecture. 03:45 < gene> ok 03:45 < gene> Ok 03:46 < gene> so how about a bunch of canals to transport stuff to point b 03:46 < kanzure_> That would be great. But what I'm trying to get at is that this isn't solvable by sitting in a bubble trying to reason about things. This is only solvable by 'groundtruthing', going out there into the world and striking up deals to get materials and so on to bootstrap all of these interesting projects and systems. 03:47 < kanzure_> otherwise Ramanujan would have disappeared in a puff of smoke into transcendentalism or something :p 03:47 < gene> ok 03:48 < gene> well I just listen for now 03:49 < kanzure_> I think ybit's thinking about different topics anyway. 03:56 < ybit> mining is related 04:00 < gene> solidwarks blew up 04:02 < gene> I NEED MORE POWER 04:02 < kanzure_> Have you tried adjusting the transducers on the reverse deflectionator? 04:24 < gene> yes kanzure 04:24 < gene> I have 04:24 < gene> that's the first thing I tried 04:25 < gene> sheesh, you think I don't know how to use hyperluminal ofsnatificator? 04:35 < fenn> i'd like to point out that most minerals can be obtained from either common dirt or sea water 04:36 < fenn> but it's cheaper to go dig miles underground 04:36 < kanzure_> Also tends to be quicker to do stuff in bulk. 04:36 < fenn> s/minerals/elements/ 04:39 < kanzure_> I was going to do a graphing setup to export some stats to gnuplot for graphing the number of trials or data points required until something is hit with the ranodm rule tree-graph approach. 04:39 < kanzure_> but now that I think about it, I might as well just randomly generate values for constants on some log equation 04:39 < kanzure_> since it's random rules anyway :( 04:40 < fenn> random in random out 04:40 < kanzure_> yep. 05:01 < gene> http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ 05:02 < gene> we need one of these 05:32 < fenn> gene: check out villainsource.com 05:33 < gene> sweet a biohacked mouse is the villain of the month 05:42 < gene> heh 05:42 < gene> they sell tribbles 07:01 < bkero> http://www.technovelgy.com/ 07:12 < gene> ok 07:14 < gene> let's try to make smart wheels 07:18 < gene> http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=117 07:24 < fenn> some sports cars (lotus elise? maclaren?) already have active suspension. and then there's the micheling "tweel" 07:25 < fenn> michelin* 07:25 < gene> is it a smart wheel? 07:25 < gene> no 07:26 < gene> could you put it on a skateboard 07:26 < fenn> why bother with a wheel at all if you have super duper nano magic 07:26 < fenn> yes 07:27 < gene> because hoverboards don't have friction 07:27 < gene> they are hard to stop 07:27 < gene> and steer 07:27 < fenn> not with super nano magic gecko snail carpet 07:28 < gene> would get destroyed first time you used it 07:29 < gene> or might throw you off said hoverboard 07:29 < fenn> you're just being contrary 07:29 < gene> f=ma 07:29 < fenn> it would bank to keep the acceleration vector normal to the board 07:29 < fenn> more like a snowboard than a skateboard 07:29 < gene> there's no changing that 07:29 < fenn> changing what 07:30 < gene> physics 07:30 < gene> we can't make universes yet 07:30 < gene> Kanzure pick a number 07:30 < gene> pick a number 07:30 < gene> anyone 07:31 < gene> screw it 07:31 < fenn> 12648430 07:31 < fenn> why am i still awake 07:31 < gene> 1/16 07:31 < gene> because sleep is for slackers 07:31 < gene> you don't need ti 07:32 < fenn> are you saying i'm not a slacker? 07:32 < gene> you don't need sleep 07:32 < gene> algae can get away with out sleep 07:32 < gene> so to say 07:33 < fenn> i don't believe it 07:33 < gene> no really 07:33 < gene> they bred an algae that grows continuously under flashing lights 07:34 < gene> it still goes through dark reactions 07:34 < gene> but in a very short period of time 07:34 < gene> instead of a 24 hr period 07:34 < gene> it's overclocked algae so to say 07:34 < gene> grows crazy fast 07:35 < gene> but if algae can do something liek this why can't humans 07:35 < fenn> because we are horribly complex mammals 07:38 < gene> algae has circadian rhythms 07:38 * fenn is not surprised 07:39 < gene> heh 07:39 < fenn> it makes more sense than humans having them at least 07:39 < gene> max record for days without sleep? 07:39 < gene> 11 days 07:39 < gene> no lasting problems 07:40 < gene> resulted 07:41 < fenn> woah freaky "hair stylists can get hair embedded in their arms from their clients, and it starts growing there," 07:46 < willPow3r> 36 hour days are routine for me 07:47 < willPow3r> 36 awake, 12 asleep 07:48 < fenn> that is truly weird 07:49 < willPow3r> its actually quite easy once you adjust 07:52 < fenn> i've heard of a 28 hour day but never 36 07:54 < fenn> this reminded me of yudkowsky: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-it-time-to-go-beyond-wikipedia/2008/11/11#comment-333459 08:17 < willPow3r> fenn, that is a very interesting article. 12:02 < UtopiahGHML> just thought about 2 different ideas : homeostasis vs entropy and politics being universal 12:03 < UtopiahGHML> and consequently thought about political homeostasis 12:03 < UtopiahGHML> and the ability of a political system to stabilize and re-inforce itself 12:03 < UtopiahGHML> thanks to different means of security 12:03 < UtopiahGHML> and was wondering if somebody knew any framework to analyze politics based on those nature/physics principle? 13:25 -!- nsh- is now known as nsh 16:38 < kanzure_> After many hours of painstakingly classification and experimentation, I have discovered that upward head tilt controls eyelid closure. 16:40 < kanzure_> s/tilt/nod/ 16:42 < UtopiahGHML> nobel price on the way 16:42 < kanzure_> ? 16:42 < kanzure_> prize. 16:42 < kanzure_> s/painstakingly/painstaking/ 16:43 < UtopiahGHML> nobel prize on the way (thanks) 16:44 < kanzure_> Yesterday I completed Spyro: Year of the Dragon without savegames because evidently Spyro doesn't consider the PS2 savegame cartridge to be a valid cartridge. 16:46 < UtopiahGHML> what's the fitness function in Spyro? 18:26 < kanzure_> I need PSX, PS2, or N64 game recommendations. 18:30 < UtopiahGHML> GuiltyGear / Wipeout 18:30 < UtopiahGHML> and anything that is too freaking fast and that you can play with a giant 2-players arcade pad 18:34 < fenn> bushido blade 18:35 < fenn> best with another human 18:36 < fenn> and of course final fantasy VII 18:37 < kanzure_> What about xenogears? 20:15 < bkero> Xenogears is alright 20:15 < bkero> Wild Arms and suikoden if you're looking for an RPG 20:15 < bkero> Katamari if you want to play katamari 20:22 < gene> huh? 20:23 < gene> did I miss something here 21:05 < willPow3r_> check out this crazy website i just designed: http://66. 21:05 < willPow3r_> fuck 21:05 < willPow3r_> http://66.75.6.181 21:07 < kanzure_> "hello there!" 21:07 < kanzure_> looks like /somebody/ just discovered apache .. 21:22 < kanzure_> Doesn't seem to say much. 21:22 < kanzure_> It's still yelling hello at me. 21:28 < fenn> what a lame markov bot 21:29 < kanzure_> paul, eric, or me? 21:29 < kanzure_> actually I would doubt that eric's a markov bot. 21:31 < fenn> will's webpage 21:32 < fenn> "all it does is say hello" 22:01 < kanzure_> UtopiahGHML: How about a game that I can't beat in a week? 22:01 < UtopiahGHML> Go 22:01 < kanzure_> Eh. 22:03 < fenn> phantasy star III 22:03 * kanzure_ googles. 22:04 < kanzure_> "Generations of DOOM". heh' 22:04 < fenn> actually with all the maps and such that are out there now, you'd have a pretty easy time 22:06 < fenn> i think that game shaped a large part of my worldview 22:07 < kanzure_> Ew, turn-based combat. 22:07 < kanzure_> I had enough of that from Pokemon. :/ 22:07 < kanzure_> Maybe I should break down and go get the latest pokemans. 22:08 < kanzure_> What are they up to now? I played through RGBYGSC and part of that fake green one. 22:09 < kanzure_> Oh, I guess I also played through a bit of the one after crystal, whatever that was. Ruby? Sapphire? bleh. I'll pretend to not know this. 22:09 < fenn> never got into pokemon 22:10 < kanzure_> ah, emerald. 22:10 < kanzure_> yeah, that's good. Once you get into you realize there's nothing there, but you're "into it". 22:14 < kanzure_> Heh, the game sold a million copies in the first two days. 22:20 < gene> No I am not a robot 22:20 < gene> yet 22:21 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/pokemon/ 22:21 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/dexter/ 22:22 < gene> Kanzure, I'm waiting for pokemon to run out of minerals and start using heavy elements 22:22 < gene> like plutonium 22:22 < gene> or iridium 22:25 < gene> um.... 22:25 < gene> kanzure 22:25 < gene> there are somethings you don't put on the internets 22:26 < gene> that's definately not a book 22:26 < kanzure_> ? 22:26 < kanzure_> There are many things that are not books in /books/ 22:29 < gene> heh 22:29 < gene> how did you get your website back up again 22:29 < kanzure_> Magic. 22:30 < gene> Even more magic? 22:31 < gene> oh yeah 22:31 < gene> beware 22:32 < gene> you know who supposedly offers money for turning in violators of cr 22:32 < kanzure_> cr? 22:33 < gene> copyrights 22:33 < kanzure_> No, I refuse to admit any connection to copyright enforcement officers. 22:33 < gene> I know you aren't one of them 22:34 < gene> but someone in RAS was telling me about a reward for turning people in 22:34 < kanzure_> And you're for-profit? 22:35 < gene> I don't turn people in 22:35 < gene> that's evil 22:36 < gene> besides the products I intend to sell 22:36 < gene> are unlikely to be pirated by the people who buy them 22:38 < gene> really 22:38 < gene> the worst I have to worry about are chinese factories 22:44 < fenn> you suck gene 22:45 < gene> please specify why 22:45 < fenn> you think of people sharing designs as pirating 22:46 < gene> even if I release this product open sauce 22:46 < gene> there won't be many people who make it theirselves 22:50 < gene> you don't own a motorcycle do you fenn? 23:06 < wrldpc> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update 23:06 < wrldpc> Richard is livecasting from Convergence 23:06 < wrldpc> in between talks right now 23:07 < kanzure_> Richard .. Dawkins? 23:07 < kanzure_> Also, why am I not at Convergence08? 23:07 < kanzure_> Didn't I buy plane tickets? 23:09 < wrldpc> sorry not richard 23:09 < wrldpc> Mind 23:09 < wrldpc> lol 23:20 < gene> I just see people walking around 23:29 < gene> http://www.tuvie.com/algaster-harvesting-robot-for-future-agriculture 23:29 < gene> algae harvesting FAIL