--- Day changed Mon Dec 08 2008
00:54 < kanzure_> https://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/about_us/press2/omb.shtml
00:54 < kanzure_> "A globally-scalable and open technology backbone designed to transform the process of digital manufacturing
00:54 < kanzure_> UGS' Open Manufacturing Backbone (OMB) is a digital platform that provides an open environment for third-party application developers to independently create software solutions that seamlessly interoperate with one another in a single digital manufacturing system. Creating applications via OMB assures developers that their applications will have instant compatibility and interoperability, not only with each other, but also with UGS' own Tecnomatix sui
00:54 < kanzure_> I don't know what it actually is though
00:57 < kanzure> oh, PSL. process specication language stuff.
01:12 < kanzure> fenn, new email on om re: PSL. you'll like.
01:13 < kanzure> I'm sure I've seen it before but in a fit of aspiehood I suspect I ignored it
01:13 < bkero> You guys should send me some parts so I can make an open source fabricator :)
01:13 < fenn> don't you already have a reprap?
01:14 < bkero> NYC Resistor has a reprap
01:14 < bkero> I visited there last Thursday
01:14 < fenn> ah
01:14 < bkero> I typically live in Oregon
01:15 < kanzure> sure you do~
01:15 < bkero> The mechanical engineering college has a decent axis CNC mill, but nobody is allowed to use it, except for class projects
01:15 < kanzure> you also pull a double Intel + Google job~
01:15 < bkero> kanzure: http://www.osuosl.org/info/people
01:15 < kanzure> haha :)
01:15 < kanzure> hacker!
01:15 < bkero> kanzure: Intel was my summer internship, that was up in Portland.  I'm working at google for another 2 weeks, then it's back to OSU and the OSL for me
01:18 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/t/b2e21ccc953d6328 <- email on Process Specification Language
01:18 < kanzure_> Read it or else you will burn in the fifth dimension of the room slightly to the left of hell.
01:19 < bkero> I got promoted to an executive position in hell
01:19 < bkero> Quite comfy.  I have some beachfront property on the lake of fire.
01:19 < bkero> The rent's a little high, but it's worth it.
01:19 < kanzure> Ah, so your babes are burning away.
01:20 < fenn> babes for rent
01:22 < bkero> Sluts in a box
01:24 < kanzure> isn't that a porno?
01:25 < bkero> no
02:02 < bkero> Do you guys know any good CAD/CAM software that's open?
02:02 < kanzure> hah
02:03 < kanzure> No. brlcad maybe. fenn has a more complete list IIRC
02:03 < fenn> depends what you mean
02:03 < bkero> I've been looking at BRLCAD
02:03 < bkero> I was looking at designing some tube frame for vehicles
02:04 < fenn> brlcad and blender seem to be the two main choices
02:04 < kanzure> I was looking at Varkon the other day, but it sucks for that
02:04 < bkero> BRLCAD looks like a lot of ballistic and electromagnetic analysis
02:04 < bkero> http://sagcad.sourceforge.jp/ is kind of lol
02:04 < fenn> both with awful interfaces unfortunately
02:05 < fenn> qcad is ok for 2d stuff
02:05 < bkero> :/
02:05 < fenn> or inkscape
02:05 < bkero> I need 3d
02:05 < kanzure> Autocad 2008 fails to install in wine last time I checked
02:05 < kanzure> Not sure about Solidworks yet.
02:06 < bkero> I've used solidworks before
02:06 < bkero> I want something open ideally :/
02:06 < fenn> some up-and-coming 3d cad packages are wildcat-cad and freecad
02:06 < fenn> and avocado, but that sucks
02:07 < kanzure_>         A Language for Process Specification (ALPS) Project [4], the Toronto Virtual
02:07 < fenn> for doing precisely placed tubes, you should used brlcad
02:07 < kanzure_> Enterprise (TOVE) Project [5], the Enterprise Ontology Project [6], and the Core Plan
02:07 < kanzure_> Representation (CPR) Project [7]
02:08 < bkero> Maybe I just need to use solidworks and dream for a world with good open source CAD softwre
02:08 < fenn> maybe
02:08 < kanzure> :'(
02:09 < kanzure> Or you could just become even more superawesome and go submit some bugfixes to all of the cad packages tonight
02:09 < bkero> I'm at work tonight, writing unit tests
02:09 < fenn> for what
02:09  * bkero wants to build himself an open source car :(
02:10 < fenn> dont we all
02:10 < kanzure> and an open source jet
02:10 < kanzure> and an os death star
02:10 < kanzure> and an os space station
02:10 < bkero> http://archimedes.incubadora.fapesp.br/portal
02:10 < kanzure> ?
02:11 < kanzure> bkero, at work, do you integrate the unit tests into the make toolchain?
02:11 < bkero> kanzure: Not make, but another google-specific toolchain
03:35 < kanzure_> http://www.conradbock.org/
03:35 < kanzure_> http://www.conradbock.org/psl-intro-ws-2.pdf intro to PSL
03:50 < bkero> Sweet, I'm going to the engadget Holiday party
06:05 < kanzure> Well this is an awkward time to wake up. Who the hell falls alseep for only an hour?
06:06 < gene_> me
06:06 < gene_> polyphasic sleepers
06:07 < bkero> Polyphasic sleep makes me feel like shit :/
06:10 < gene_> you need more caffeine then
06:11 < bkero> I'll caffeine you.
06:11 < gene_> ok
06:11  * bkero caffeines gene.
06:12  * bkero caffeines gene_.
06:20 < gene_> caffeine isn't a verb, it's a way of life
06:52 < bkero> Caffien isn't a noun, it's a rhetoric.
09:12 < bkero> http://www.lumus-optical.com/ [+]
09:22 < gene_> WOW
09:22 < gene_> wonder if it can do stereo
09:23 < gene_> it's not even that dorky
15:00 < kanzure_> http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.0644 "Natural selection relies on the first method, whereas a civilization, individual, or other singular subject must rely on the latter."
15:00 < kanzure_> Ho ho ho, the individual is stupid.
18:37 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing-dev
18:37 < kanzure_> Smari and others have been repeatedly requesting a development-only mailing list for a while now.
18:37 < kanzure_> So, there we go.
18:46 < fenn> openmanufacturing-nophilosophy
18:47 < fenn> openmanufacturing-nihilist ;)
18:47 < kanzure> nihilist?
18:47 < kanzure> nophilo just sounds wrong :/
18:47 < kanzure>  I hate to create yet another mailing list though
18:48 < kanzure> for me this is my, what, 158th?
18:50 < fenn> not a serious request, -dev is fine
18:50 < fenn> i doubt it will work though
18:52 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-12-08_googlegroups_fail.png
18:52 < kanzure_> *you* count the number of members there
18:52 < kanzure_> and *you* tell me how many it says under "Group Info"
19:19 < kanzure> holy crap I wasn't that far off when I said 158th
19:20 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html
19:20 < kanzure> #87 is cheating because I didn't actually list out each of those
19:20 < kanzure> so I'm far over 160..
19:30 < kanzure_> http://www.fablab.af/ <- Afghanistan fablab
19:31 < kanzure_> wiki now.
19:36 < fenn> lots of spam already http://scripts.mit.edu/~emu/work/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges
19:36 < fenn> and the redirect is super weird
19:36 < fenn> can't get a real url
19:57 < wrldpc> lol what google group is that for?
20:24 < kanzure_> ?
20:24 < kanzure_> What do you mean?
20:24 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing
20:24 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing-dev
20:56 < kanzure> MSNBC had a news bit re: "NAVY FA-18 CRASHES IN CA." I turn my head for just a few moments and they switch it to "MARINE FA-18". hehe..
20:58 < kanzure_> http://students4.autodesk.com/?nd=m_home&tagent=Q4FY09DEC5STUDENTREPBLOGS&lbon=1 
20:58 < kanzure_> new updates
20:58 < kanzure_> they call it 'Autodesk University 2008' and "just so happens" to be hosted in Las Vegas
21:03 < kanzure_> http://www.scribd.com/doc/8299748/Giant-planets-ignition "http://www.scribd.com/doc/8299748/Giant-planets-ignition
21:03 < kanzure_> erm
21:04 < kanzure_> "The possibility of artificial initiation and fusion explosion of giants planets and other objects of Solar system"
21:08 < kanzure> Hi fenn_.
21:31 < kanzure> fenn__: so the private emails with the afghani fablab have gone the wrong way
21:31 < kanzure> "oh look I can make a design repository very easily just by putting files up .. look here!"
21:31 < kanzure> and it's all unorganized and without metadata and without any explanation, that sort of thing
21:32 < kanzure> "but it's just so **easy**!"
21:32 < kanzure> what's the minimum thing I can do to stop them from going in the wrong direction?
21:49 < kanzure_> "can someone make an auto-updating random-image kind of thing on the
21:49 < kanzure_> site that takes flikr images tagged with "fablab" for the index page?"
21:49 < kanzure_> That's not a bad idea.
21:57 < fenn___> oh man look at my tail
22:01 < kanzure> Hey... good news. The WTA board is completely resigning
22:03 < kanzure_> bah, Paul doesn't think a -dev list is a good idea
22:03 < kanzure_> http://lists.debian.org/devel.html