--- Day changed Thu Dec 11 2008
00:02 < kanzure> "
00:02 < kanzure> For every GPLD'd CAD file that students bring in, the sponsors have agreed to donate 20 items of canned food to the local homeless shelters."
00:18 < bkero> Awesome
00:18 < bkero> kanzure: I have some flanges to donate. :P
00:25  * kanzure takes a leap of hope and tries Pro/Engineer.
00:35 < bkero> kanzure: Did you guys ever find some good VGA glasses?
00:35 < bkero> I'm looking for something with better input than composite. :/
00:37 < kanzure> eyeport, but it's 320x240 or 280, and it's about $300 unless you find it on ebay where it runs at about $80 to $100
00:38 < procto> there's pretty much nothing good in that area that doesn't cost more than $1500
00:38 < procto> unless you're ok with horrible headaches
00:38 < bkero> Looking at some Vuzix ones, they support VGA for aorund $350
00:38 < procto> in which case you'll be fine
00:39 < bkero> My wearable computer parts showed up from digikey
00:39 < bkero> By the middle of January I should have everything together, waiting on a set of glasses.
00:40 < bkero> kanzure: not coming up with much on google for eyeport
00:41 < kanzure> bkero: Search the logs, foo.
00:42  * bkero grumbles
00:42 < kanzure> procto, bkero: The real trick is finding something that is monocular. Using glasses doesn't count because then you block your own vision, or you're paying out the nose for something transparent.
00:43 < bkero> Transmissive LCDs are sometimes OK with ambient lighting if you take the backlights off.
00:44 < bkero> I see stuff on the eyetop
00:44 < bkero> You mentioned an 'eyeport', but never a link
00:45 < procto> you don't mean an eyetap?
00:46 < bkero> Eyetap is a personal imaging lab, not a heads-up display.
00:46 < procto> huh?
00:47 < procto> it lets you inject information into your field of view
00:47 < procto> sounds like a HUD to me
00:47 < bkero> Ah
00:47 < bkero> My bad, I was looking at something else
00:47 < bkero> Doesn't look like they have a pair I can buy :/
00:48 < bkero> They want me to build a set, and I'm not sure that's in my league.
00:49 < bkero> I don't mind a set of glasses with LCDs instead of beaming a HUD.  I'm just looking for something VGA that accepts better input than composite.
00:49 < kanzure> eyetap or eyetop, yes
00:50 < bkero> The eyetop only has 320x480 resolution, which is too low for my terminal text :/
00:50 < bkero> *320x240
00:52 < kanzure> how is it a wearable if you have to always take it off (visors/glasses)
00:52 < kanzure> lag is 15.62. Gahh.
01:04 < bkero> Don't really have to take it off :P
01:05 < bkero> Just get some with translucent LCDs that use ambient lighting, and with transparent peripherals
01:10 < kanzure_> http://www.mechmate.com/ <-- "The drawings used for producing our in-house MechMate CNC routers are published on this site, for free. The plans and information from this site can be used by small companies and persons to build "once-off" machines which may not be sold for profit."
01:14 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip
01:42 < fenn> eyetap = augmented reality HUD; eyetop = stupid marketing play off the name eyetap, but isnt actually an eyetap
01:46 < gene> what's an eyetap and how much does it cose
01:46 < gene> cost
01:48 < fenn> i dont think you can buy one
01:48 < kanzure_> http://www.vrealities.com/eyetopcentra.html
01:49 < fenn> eye TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP
01:49 < fenn> http://eyetap.org/research/eyetap.html
01:50 < gene> speaking of headmounted displays
01:50 < gene> I saw one at sams the other day
01:50 < fenn> oh i bet
01:51 < gene> for $50, it's black and white
01:51 < gene> but unfortunately comes with a radiocontrol toy that hooks up to it
01:51 < gene> but someone figured out how to hack it
01:51 < kanzure> wait wtf
01:51 < kanzure> this was at Sams?
01:51 < kanzure> was this the SpyCam?
01:51 < gene> yup
01:51 < gene> it was
01:51 < kanzure> but the website says they stopped making it
01:52 < kanzure> jflkak
01:52 < kanzure> can you Google Maps link me the Sams please?
01:52 < gene> this is a new version
01:52 < kanzure> I don't care
01:52 < gene> oh sure, if you want to drive all the way to Plano 
01:52 < kanzure> there's a Sams here
01:52 < gene> I saw it in plano
01:52 < kanzure> blah, just give me the name of it I guess
01:54 < gene> http://www.google.com/search?q=spy+video+atv&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
01:54 < gene> spy video atv
01:54 < gene> can't find replacement parts
01:54 < gene> it was also on blackfriday
01:54 < gene> could you figure out how to hook it up to a computer?
01:55 < kanzure> yes
01:55 < gene> how do you do that?
01:55 < kanzure> well that depends I guess, the first thing that I would do is look at how many wires it is using
01:55 < kanzure> and what type of connection it's using for the video display
01:56 < kanzure> actually what I might do is just figure out the protocol for sending packets wirelessly to it
01:56 < gene> 1
01:56 < kanzure> so ok, it's probably some standard video format
01:56 < gene> ntsc or something like that
01:56 < kanzure> well what's the wiring though, is it s-video?
01:56 < kanzure> that's wrong, not s-video
01:56 < gene> the video receiver is in the bulky controller
01:56 < gene> dunno 
01:56 < gene> look up the guy who hacked it
01:56 < kanzure> was on hackaday, I know.
01:56 < kanzure> I see that amazon has a few of these for $120
01:57 < gene> yeah I think it is svideo
01:57 < gene> you wouldn't want to send signals via the video receiver
01:58 < gene> too much noise
01:58 < gene> there is one thing I want to know about the vehicle though
01:58 < gene> how the heck they get rid of the RFI from the motors
01:58 < kanzure> well you would't send signals, you'd focus on the connector from the processor in the box to the headset.
01:58 < gene> or if they even bother to do so
02:01 < kanzure_> http://www.warriorsofthe.net/
02:02 < gene> wonder if you could get it to display color by using an RGB LED and  going through each color like in projectors
02:12 < kanzure> gene, how would you qualify the supply of metal in the student machine shop
02:12 < kanzure> the supply of free metal for anybody's use
02:12 < kanzure> not much, a lot, they're practically giving it away, none, ?
02:13 < gene> I don't know, I haven't really been there much
02:13 < gene> I think I got unbanned like this week
02:14 < gene> but they probably haven lot's of aluminum
02:14 < gene> why do you ask?
02:14 < gene> what are you trying to do?
02:14 < kanzure> somebody is telling me that people are practically giving away free metal
02:14 < kanzure> but from what I can tell this isn't true, it's still hard for me to do material procurement
02:15 < gene> why do you want big hunks of metal?
02:15 < gene> hmm... I might need some small hunks of metal
02:15 < kanzure> I'm a big guy
02:15 < kanzure> no reason in particular
02:16 < kanzure> just imagining that if I wanted to sparodically implement, say, an exoskeleton project, or a LOX-fueled engine, or ..
02:16 < gene> that's sort of why I want to build an ECM mill
02:17 < gene> though I have been talking with the reprap guys and they say that EDM wouldn't be too hard to do either
02:17 < gene> you'd need lot's of metal
02:17 < gene> I can help with that
02:17 < gene> just only on saturday
02:28 < kanzure_> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180312946908&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Complete Machine Shop { Antique & Later Models }
02:28 < kanzure_> $8k 
05:02 < wrldpc__> POWER
05:28 < kanzure_> "That's one powerful feedback loop. A machine which automatically makes coffee, which powers the programmers who write the code for a machine which automatically makes coffee..."
05:28 < kanzure_> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/12/10/1838233.shtml
05:28 < kanzure_> "open source coffee machine"
06:20 < kanzure> wtf
06:26 -!- kanzure_-_ is now known as kanzure_-
15:23 < kanzure_> http://mfoundation.org/ has a new look. They look dangerous now.
15:25 < kanzure> Also, the WTA board of directors has resigned, there's an opening for the director. Not sure anybody can open up that organization though..
15:41 < bkero> WTA?
15:46 < kanzure> World Transhumanist Association?
15:46 < kanzure> nevermind
16:12 < bkero> Ah
16:19 < kanzure> Woah. operapluginwrapper is a weird thing. I just killed three instances of it, and suddenly five different mplayer instances begin working, ProE starts installing, and a thousand other things.
16:28 < bkero> Probably locking resources
17:00 < kanzure_> http://blog.longnow.org/2008/11/18/drew-endy-jim-thomas-synthetic-biology-debate/
17:00 < kanzure_> http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/podcast-2008-11-17-synth-bio-debate.mp3
17:00 < kanzure_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq06iJXrDu4 the GitS origami episode/story-thingy.
17:07 < fenn> that scene is way more critical to the plot than i thought the first time i saw it
18:53 < kanzure_-> http://fablab.af/posters.zip
19:05 < kanzure_-> "DARPA has tested hypersonic parachutes."
19:35  * procto is testing his gelbox design at the SETC fablab tonight
20:03 < wrldpc> nice!
20:04 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
21:18 < kanzure_-> procto, btw, there's been recent talk on the gmx mailing list about gel box simulation
21:19 < kanzure_-> http://www.gromacs.org/mailing_lists/users.php
21:19 < kanzure_-> http://www.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users
21:19 < kanzure_-> http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Membrane_Simulations
21:22 < procto> invitrogen's Vector NTI does gel simulation
22:39 < kanzure2> fenn, I'm thinking of doing http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/mechmate.zip 
22:40 < kanzure2> but I'm looking over it and these don't really seem like a good set of documents
22:40 < kanzure2> modeling it, I mean
22:43 < kanzure2> I'm having trouble keeping track of when they mean to start a new part and when they mean that it's a different view of the last part from a previous page
22:43 < kanzure2> blah..
22:51 < kanzure2> What an obscure numbering system.