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00:06 < gene_> Kanzure it's your birthday?
00:16 < ybit> i think it's today or tom., i forget what skype told me
00:16 < ybit> the 'ol one-niner
00:21 < emlyno> I met my wife when I was 19. Serious grown up shitola!
00:22 < emlyno> No I'm not a reprapper, but I'd like to be
00:23 < emlyno> kanzure: cosmic engineers, not on that list, that explains it :-)
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00:28 < emlyno> gene: No I'm not a reprapper, but I'd like to be
00:28 < gene> I'm not a reprapper, but I have a lego contraption capable of make shapes out of frosting
00:30 < emlyno> really? sweet!
00:30 < gene> yeah
00:30 < emlyno> got photos?
00:30 < gene> PHOTOS? I don't have photos, I have an instructable
00:31 < gene> http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Polar-3-D-Printer-from-Legos/
00:31 < gene> it's a bit different now
00:31 < gene> upgraded the Z-axis and converted to cartesian
00:32 < gene> inverse kinematics is a bit to hard for a lego smart brick
00:33 < emlyno> I was just given a set of mindstorms as a present
00:33 < emlyno> I would set it up like this:
00:33 < gene> NXT?
00:34 < emlyno> put a program in the brick that can receive commands and report results over bluetooth,
00:34 < emlyno> then do all the real code on a pc
00:34 < emlyno> yep NXT
00:34 < gene> I'm not that great of a programmer, I'll admit that
00:35 < emlyno> Would that be useful if it existed?
00:35 < gene> the problem with polar is to make a line you have to constantly change the radial and tangential velocity a lot
00:35 < emlyno> I'm not very good at making things, but I am a pretty good programmer
00:36 < gene> well then you might be able to help me then
00:36 < emlyno> yes polar coords and straight lines are a bit of a bad combo :-)
00:36 < gene> yeah
00:36 < emlyno> but I can see why you used them
00:37 < gene> yeah, mindstorms kits don't come with very many racks
00:37 < emlyno> I wonder if it already exists? ie: code to turn the smart brick into a command interpreter?
00:38 < emlyno> tbh, I haven't really played with it much yet. I hadn't thought of the right project. But a 3d fabber would be way cool
00:38 < gene> look up NXC
00:39 < gene> it is a much better way to program the NXT
00:40 < gene> than the dinky visual interface that comes with it, I mean come on, why didn't they include a frakkin' cosine function
00:40 < gene> computers in the 1940s had cosine functions, but the NXT doesn't
00:41 < emlyno> Yeah I'm on ubuntu, so NXC is the thing
00:42 < emlyno> There are some excellent looking java libraries and stuff that sit on top of NXC I think
00:43 < emlyno> I'm thinking of this I think: http://lejos.sourceforge.net/nxj.php
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11:38 < kanzure_> I like how whenever java is brought up, real programmers just go silent.
11:42 < kanzure_> Also, I remembered that there exists an online personal management agency that works solely by email (ok, and by phone and such)-- apparently you email in your todo list, calendars, appointments, etc., and they organize the information for you, send you reminders, help you out with traveling, etc.
11:42 < kanzure_> but I don't know if they are a *proactive* agency (i.e., "oh, I see that you'll need this in advance, so I'm going to go phone them for you and see what's up")
11:49 < kanzure_> "A MMORPG with emphasis on world simulation (inspired by Majesty). Features: object de/composition (repices), object aging, random quests, dynamic social enviroment, dynamic fame, AI, ecology"
11:49 < kanzure_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/yammog/
11:49 < kanzure_> ah that's right. Many games have internal recipe engines.
12:13 < parodyoflanguage> Hey guys.
12:13 < parodyoflanguage> Do any of you know of any existing open source software for physics simulations that *isn't* developed for gaming?
12:14 < parodyoflanguage> Even the wikipedia article on dynamical simulation seems to be about development for games.
12:32 < kanzure_> http://biotype.biology.dal.ca/biol3101/virus.pdf - Viruses in the sea.
12:32 < kanzure_> http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/oceanography/zij/ocn621/reading-virus.pdf - Marine
12:32 < kanzure_> viruses ...
12:32 < kanzure_> http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/plosonline/%3Frequest=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0000045?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0040368 -
12:32 < kanzure_> The Marine Viromes of Four Oceanic Regions.
12:32 < kanzure_> http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/71/7/3528 - Previously Unknown Virus
12:32 < kanzure_> Infects Marine Diatom.
12:33 < kanzure_> It depends, parodyoflanguage. There are some very fine-tuned simulators but for very specific subsets of physics.
12:47 < procto> parodyoflanguage: I mean, what do you call a "physics simulation"?
12:47 < parodyoflanguage> Yeah, not really what I'm looking for.  I'm sure the technology exists, it just isn't free.
12:47 < procto> are you looking into simulating mechanics?
12:47 < procto> or what specifically?
12:47 < parodyoflanguage> procto: Yeah, pretty much.
12:47 < procto> specifically what sort of mechanics?
12:48 < procto> the best mechanics simulators are developed for games
12:48 < procto> because physicists rarely need them these days
12:48 < procto> and engineeers have specific tools
12:48 < procto> that simulate things like material tolerances etc.
12:48 < parodyoflanguage> Well, honestly, I want to eventually be able to create a machine in BRL-CAD and then simulate it's operation to aid in it's design.
12:49 < procto> for that purpose one of the game engines is probably ideal
12:49 < procto> it would have the easiest to use API
12:49 < procto> and should be more than realistic enough
12:49 < parodyoflanguage> Well, I'm afraid of cartoon physics, procto.
12:49 < procto> that's what you tweak values fr
12:49 < parodyoflanguage> Games aren't interested in accuracy.
12:49 < procto> you're basically asking for "realistic startup values"
12:49 < procto> rather than a different engine
12:50 < parodyoflanguage> And I'll also need to be able to find quantitative values for force, stress, torque, etc.
12:50 < parodyoflanguage> Again, not a priority for games.
12:51 < parodyoflanguage> Not realistic, "real".  Not something that looks realistic, but that has the actual values according to a computer model with a specified margin of error.
12:51 < procto> the more high end game engines will allow you input these values
12:51 < parodyoflanguage> Are any of the high end engines free software?
12:52 < parodyoflanguage> BTW, I also need an output of those values.
12:52 < kanzure_> "I'm considering options for CAM router: buy kit, build someone else's design, or design my own. Any advice?"
12:53 < kanzure_> parodyoflanguage: You're probably going to be interested in something that does PDE simulations
12:54 < kanzure_> for instance, OpenFOAM should be able to do PDEs for stress/strain analysis
12:54 < kanzure_> and give you a mesh over your BRLCAD-device-thingy that shows where the most heat will build up (and maybe break your object), etc
12:54 < kanzure_> You can take material variables from places like matweb.com I guess.
12:55 < kanzure_> You know, writing a tutorial on how to design, say, a screw and two flat metal plates or something, 
12:55 < kanzure_> using BRLCAD, and then how to simulate stress/strain from different possible scenarios in OpenFOAM, would be a nice tutorial :)
12:55 < procto> parodyoflanguage: the functionality you require exists within PRO/Engineer
12:55 < parodyoflanguage> Well, it will take a while to learn BRLCAD first :)
12:55 < procto> but I don't think there are any viable free alternatives
12:56 < parodyoflanguage> Thanks for the replies.  Now I have some things to google for.
12:58 < parodyoflanguage> Have you guys seen Iron Man when Stark is designing the Iron Suit?  That would be cool :)
12:58 < kanzure_> Uh, technically I don't even know if BRLCAD has its own stres/strain analyzer built in
12:58 < kanzure_> (haven't looked/asked)
12:59 < kanzure_> procto: I've tried getting ProE to work on linux to no success :/
12:59 < kanzure_> same with AutoCAD 2008 and 2009. What a shame.
12:59 < procto> I'm trying to see if there are any free FEM tools
12:59 < procto> (that's finite element analysis)
12:59 < kanzure_> openfoam, openflower, 
12:59 < kanzure_> hold on a sec
12:59 < procto> I've used a bunch of CFD tools
12:59 < procto> but that's not the point here
12:59 < kanzure_> many of the CFD tools do FEM
13:00 < kanzure_> the open ones, I mean
13:00 < kanzure_> uh oh, is my server down?
13:00 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Scramjet
13:00 < kanzure_> there we go.
13:00 < kanzure_> I have a large list of software packages there, but it's CFD.
13:00 < procto> yah
13:00 < kanzure_> There's also OpenFDS or something.
13:01 < procto> parodyoflanguage: well, you're gonna want to use some FEM tool
13:01 < kanzure_> http://openfem.sf.net/
13:01 < kanzure_> http://digg.com/software/Open_Source_FEM_packages
13:01 < kanzure_> http://impact.sf.net/
13:01 < parodyoflanguage> procto: Cool, that's exactly it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_element_analysis
13:01 < kanzure_> parodyoflanguage: Would you please keep a wiki record of what you're finding and searching for?
13:02 < kanzure_> you can freely edit my wiki
13:02 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/FEA
13:02 < kanzure_> or some other page of your choice.
13:04 < parodyoflanguage> Will do, might be slow going though.
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13:09 < gene> http://www.awgh.org/?p=21
13:09 < gene> this is epic
13:09 < gene> wonder if It could run on cellpones
13:10 < kanzure_> yay he uses OpenCV
13:10 < parodyoflanguage> Heh, OpenFem requires KDE 1.1.2 :)
13:13 < gene> OpenFem
13:13 < gene> ?
13:14 < gene> oh cool
13:16 < kanzure_> gene: parodyoflanguage is compiling a list of open source FEA tools :-)
13:16 < kanzure_> (maybe)
13:16 < gene> Finite element mesh?
13:17 < gene> can you combine that stuff with some CFD tools to simulate balloons?
13:19 < kanzure_> yes
13:19 < kanzure_> wait, the elastic material dynamics might be a but funky
13:19 < kanzure_> Not sure.
13:19 < kanzure_> I'm mostly familiar with rigid body simulations, not with simulations where materials are changing shape
13:20 < gene> me too
13:20 < gene> I get to learn all about that sort of thing in solids
13:20 < gene> we get to do finite element calculations by HAND
13:21 < gene> or so I hear
13:22 < gene> oops guess not
13:22 < parodyoflanguage> :)
13:22 < parodyoflanguage> The idea is that the computer should be doing all the thinking :)
13:23 < gene> yeah
13:23 < gene> teachers aren't real fond of it yet
13:23 < kanzure_> hm. I don't understand, 
13:23 < kanzure_> how are CSG kernels *not* parametric modeling kernels?
13:24 < kanzure_> parametric kernels just mean being able to change the dimensions of different aspects, right?
13:24 < kanzure_> in CSG, like in BRLCAD, you can edit the parameters of the different shapes and lines that you have
13:25 < gene> like dimensions in solidworks?
13:25 < kanzure_> yes
13:25 < kanzure_> there's two main types of CAD kernels: CSG, and b-rep (boundary representation)
13:25 < kanzure_> but as far as I can tell, b-rep is just the ability to make a special type of shape and add it into the CSG library
13:26 < kanzure_> "Parametric feature based modelers use change states to maintain information about building the model and use expressions to constrain associations between the geometric entities. This ability allows a user make a modification at any state and to regenerate the model's boundary representation based on those changes. This ability is called a transmigration operation."
13:26 < kanzure_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_feature_based_modeler
13:26 < kanzure_> ah, so the "maintenance of constraints" is probably a big deal
13:26 < kanzure_> although that could be an extra script in BRLCAD for all I care..
13:42 < kanzure_> woah, wtf. My father wants to impose some restrictions on my computing hours "because you type too loud and I can't concentrate"
13:42 < kanzure_> this being the first time he's ever brought it up in years.
13:44 < parodyoflanguage> kanzure: Get a quieter keyboard.
13:44 < kanzure_> but then I'd have to turn off the computer
13:45 < kanzure_> the motherboard turns off when it's touched, so.
13:51 < parodyoflanguage> Oh, you want to keep your uptime? :)
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14:45 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/dean_kamen.html  <- what Dean Kamen should have done to make a killing with his Segway
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15:53 < kanzure_> huh, the set of "individuals who own industrial engineering firms" and "individuals who post over 10,000 posts on a forum" is nonzero
15:56 < bkero> kanzure_: small time operations
15:57 < kanzure_> actually not
15:58 < kanzure_> hm, nevermind
15:58 < kanzure_> 17 years of experience.
15:59 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/List_of_industrial_manufacturing_automation_engineering_design_firms#RND_Automation_.26_Engineering
16:43 < kanzure_> http://www.3dpartstream.net/
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17:51 < gene> heh
17:51 < gene> so happy birthday kanzure
17:55 < kanzure_> thanks
18:00 < gene> what the heck, my microscope just decreased in resolution
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18:21 < gene> kanzure, is your box EMP proof?
18:23 < kanzure_> probably not?
18:23 < gene> you sure?
18:23 < kanzure_> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/03/2327255  "Universities Patenting Student Ideas"
18:25 < gene> guess what? Our uni doesn't do that
18:25 < gene> they aren't allowed too
18:25 < emlyno> damned patents
18:27 < kanzure_> so the owner of RND Automation got back to me pretty quick by email
18:28 < gene> refresh me again on that
18:28 < gene> patents aren't so evil if you own them
18:28 < kanzure_> gene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3IlIE4Yuk
18:28 < kanzure_> that's RND.
18:30 < emlyno> yes they are, absolutely they are
18:30 < emlyno> tradgedy of the anticommons
18:30 < emlyno> (sorry don't mind me)
18:34 < gene> what did you contact them for?
18:34 < gene> hold on don't post yet
18:34 < gene> about to replug
18:34 < kanzure_> replug?
18:35 < emlyno> gene: yestersay we were talking about NXT and I was saying a brick that could just be a command interpreter, receiving and sending commands via bluetooth, would be good...
18:35 < emlyno> gene: it exists http://lejos.sourceforge.net/icommand.php
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18:36 < gene_> back
18:36 < gene_> so what did you contact them for?
18:42 < emlyno> off topic: http://hackaday.com/2008/12/29/passive-multidimensional-input/
18:45 < gene_> cool though
18:45 < gene_> there is no topic
18:50 < emlyno> apparently there is, it's "pick one" :-)
18:51 < emlyno> gene: yestersay we were talking about NXT and I was saying a brick that could just be a command interpreter, receiving and sending commands via bluetooth, would be good...
18:51 < emlyno> it exists http://lejos.sourceforge.net/icommand.php
18:51 < emlyno> (apologies if you already know about this)
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18:54 < kanzure_> http://www.meau.com/eprise/main/sites/public/DOWNLOADS/-search_results?SType=0&DocType=015&SessionNum=&UserID=&Division=00015&Opt1=Yes&submit1=Search&Family=  
18:54 < kanzure_> possibly interesting CAD files from mitsubishi
19:34 < kanzure_> "Jesus saves. Buddha makes incremental backups."
20:02 < parodyoflanguage> Why do they offer their CAD files?  I'm asking in the respect of whether there is some advantage by which other companies would offer their CAD files as well.
20:03 < kanzure_> Probably it's a commonly requested piece of repair information.
20:03 < parodyoflanguage> hmm
20:04 < kanzure_> So, the debian developers are not very optimistic about "recipe substitutions".
20:04 < parodyoflanguage> on their mailing list?
20:04 < kanzure_> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/22cbd9db3382b6c3/5ebb0d7afb450853?#5ebb0d7afb450853
20:04 < kanzure_> yes
20:04 < kanzure_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/01/msg00070.html
20:05 < kanzure_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/01/msg00094.html
20:05 < kanzure_> those two being the useful responses.
20:09 < parodyoflanguage> Yeah, I really like the idea of a semantic shell, but I don't think the *nix culture is there yet in the developer community.
20:09 < kanzure_> http://please.kissordiss.us/  <- Hot or Not for youtube videos. 
20:09 < kanzure_> The issue isn't whether they are there yet, 
20:09 < kanzure_> it's an actual technical issue
20:10 < kanzure_> The problem is that it might not be entirely *possible*
20:10 < kanzure_> which presents a problem for us since we're hoping to do that with hardware packages
20:10 < kanzure_> (i.e., runtime dependencies and runtime output information, so that we know how we can replace one unit in a factory with another, or something)
20:10 < parodyoflanguage> Why isn't is technically possible?
20:11 < parodyoflanguage> Are you worried about incommensurable data types?
20:11 < kanzure_> Not quite that, but rather the exceptions to the rules
20:11 < kanzure_> For instance, there are some shell programs that accept input like this: ./proggy <somevariable>:<blah>
20:12 < kanzure_> where as others do: --blah --thingy1=<some filename> <more stuff here>
20:12 < kanzure_> and the output could be all sorts of things
20:12 < parodyoflanguage> Well, you're going to need to catologue the different syntaxes.
20:12 < kanzure_> Now, technically it is possible to do this *if* you do everything from scratch to conform with your standards
20:13 < parodyoflanguage> The days of doing things from scratch are over :)
20:13 < kanzure_> but this involves rewriting most software
20:13 < kanzure_> (and it would involve redesigning most hardware)
20:14 < parodyoflanguage> Yeah, hardware is several orders of magnitude more difficult, but one thing I'd love to see would be higher-order recyclying.
20:15 < kanzure_> I don't think you know what I'm talking about
20:15 < parodyoflanguage> Hmm, tough one.  If I don't, I wouldn't know that I don't, would I? :)
20:16 < parodyoflanguage> What I have in mind are adapters from one kind of input to a certain output needed by another program/device.
20:19 < parodyoflanguage> hello?
20:26 < kanzure_> Hello
20:26 < kanzure_> yeah, basically
20:26 < kanzure_> but this is more like a specification for a way of somebody to package up software into a downloadable unit
20:26 < kanzure_> where within this downloadable unit it says "this is the type of input, and here's how to supply it to the program in a way that doesn't make the program explode"
20:27 < kanzure_> One method that would work is 'partial recipe substitutions'. Instead of automatically hooking up substitutes, a list can be returned for replacements, and end-users would have to figure out the specifics.
20:27 < parodyoflanguage> I think, though, once you got started catalogueing the basic utilities and people find it useful, that future app-makers would integrate their apps into your system.
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20:31 < kanzure_> interesting, a "pen lathe" :)
20:33 < kanzure_> Now, one way that it could be made to work is if there was a 'file system' for manufacturing, i.e. where each 'block' is a pallet
20:33 < kanzure_> and then inputs must be those file nodes in the file system
20:33 < kanzure_> but adding unnecessary overhead (which that *will* do) is kinda silly
20:34 < parodyoflanguage> You mean like a block of material?
20:34 < kanzure_> No, I mean like a container for a block of material.
20:37 < kanzure_> http://tmml.sourceforge.net/doc/tmml/tmml-dtd.html Tcl manual markup language
20:37 < kanzure_> hrm
20:37 < kanzure_> oh, it's just for human-readable crap
20:38 < parodyoflanguage> :)
20:38 < kanzure_> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_page_(Unix)
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20:39 < parodyoflanguage> Crap, sorry.
20:39 < parodyoflanguage> You mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet
20:39 < kanzure_> " To this day, virtually every Unix command line application comes with its man page, and many Unix users perceive a lack of man pages as a sign of low quality; indeed, some projects, such as Debian, go out of their way to write man pages for programs lacking one. "
20:39 < kanzure_> yes
20:39 < kanzure_> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_page_(Unix)
20:39 < parodyoflanguage>  (Forgot to copy it to clipboard) :(
20:39 < kanzure_> "Automated palletizing of bread with industrial KUKA robots at a bakery in Germany"
20:40 < parodyoflanguage> Yeah, I know what a man page is.
20:40 < gene_> palletizers are cool
20:41 < kanzure_> Wo maintains the main 'man' program?
20:41 < kanzure_> *Who
20:41 < gene_> huh?
20:41 < kanzure_> gene_: have you installed ubuntu yet?
20:41 < gene_> what the Magi supercomputer?
20:41 < gene_> no
20:41 < kanzure_> there's a program on nearly all linux distributions called 'man'
20:42 < kanzure_> it's basically a help command
20:42 < gene_> I tried to back up my hardrive on another drive but the other drive didn't work
20:42 < parodyoflanguage> I'm seeing if it's in GNU core utils
20:42 < gene_> well I have had the monkey stop running on me before
20:42 < kanzure_> GNU does 'texinfo'
20:43 < kanzure_> what use is Wikipedia if it doesn't keep track of the maintainer of a software package?
20:43 < parodyoflanguage> I don't think core utils has man.
20:44 < parodyoflanguage> Well, they prefer texinfo.
20:46 < kanzure_> http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/
20:47 < parodyoflanguage> Dunno, that seems to be an unsearchable question.
20:49 < parodyoflanguage> But, if you want to semanticize the command-line tools, you might want to talk with the maintainers of core-utils.
20:49 < kanzure_> behold the power of the man pages
20:49 < kanzure_> Man was originally written by John W. Eaton (jwe@che.utexas.edu)
20:49 < parodyoflanguage> hah :)
20:49 < parodyoflanguage> It was in man man huh :)
20:50 < gene_> heh we could contact him
20:50 < kanzure_> present day maintainer (as of 2001): Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
20:50 < kanzure_> hm, the formal name is now man-db
20:50 < kanzure_> Eaton was working on it in 1990.
20:50 < kanzure_> gah. it's as old as me.
20:51 < kanzure_> " 
20:51 < kanzure_> John W. Eaton is the initial and main author of Octave, a system for numerical computations with a language that is mostly compatible with MATLAB, but is available as a free software."
20:51 < kanzure_> hm, he's now at Wisconsin
20:54 < kanzure_> So, if I made a time machine to travel back in time to the 60s and 70s, would anybody else join me in hunting down and murdering anyone writing software programs that would become ungoogleable because of their simple names?
20:54 < gene_> no
20:54 < gene_> that would interfere too much with the timestream
20:55 < kanzure_> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/man-db.html
20:55 < parodyoflanguage> Yeah.  The economy would have long ago collapsed due to the inefficiency of having to write out "program_manual" instead of "man" :)
20:56 < parodyoflanguage> Well, back to work.
21:11 < kanzure_> ok, Colin has been emailed.
21:23 < gene_> what are you emailing him about?
21:25 < kanzure_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/01/msg00070.html
21:25 < kanzure_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/01/msg00094.html
21:25 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/shell.html
21:26 < gene_> Ok I am a bit unfamiliar with that
21:26 < gene_> is it related to skdb?
21:27 < kanzure_> yes
21:27 < kanzure_> but in a weird way :)
21:27 < gene_> how?
21:28 < kanzure_> just imagine everything about 'software' being about runtime inputs/outputs on hardware (unit processes)
21:28 < gene_> ok
21:28 < kanzure_> so instead of "input parameters" being file formats, it's ... a block of wood
21:28 < kanzure_> or whatever
21:31 < gene_> ok
21:32 < gene_> So I got an idea for automating skdb a bit
21:32 < gene_> setup bounties
21:32 < gene_> design an effective HF leacher win $1000
21:35 < kanzure_> http://packages.debian.org/about/debtags#works-with-format::man   <- the debtags approach that Erich was talking about
21:44 < kanzure_> you know, Eclipse might have a plugin for this
21:44 < kanzure_> a "right click, replace class with something else that has the same virtual method"
21:44 < kanzure_> s/Eclipse/vim/
22:28 < gene_> kanzure tell me how does something like a webcam decrease in resolution?
22:28 < kanzure_> resolution as in the number of pixels?
22:28 < kanzure_> for instance, old webcams used to work at only 320x280 resolution.
22:31 < gene_> yeah
22:31 < gene_> well my webcam
22:31 < gene_> or microscope really
22:32 < kanzure_> that might be a configuration thing. Maybe it has multiple modes.
22:32 < gene_> decreased in resolution by a lot
22:32 < gene_> by like a factor of four
22:32 < gene_> tried to change it
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22:33 < gene_> thesoftware(which was probably written in one night and intended for another product) says it's the highest resolution
22:34 < gene_> tried unistalling it and reinstalling it, no effect
22:35 < gene_> and before you ask, no the software doesn't work on linux
22:35 < gene_> (without wine of course)
22:36 < kanzure_> did you try gphoto2?
22:37 < gene_> no
22:55 < kanzure_> ok. manual support for alternative recipes. In the metadata yaml file let's add a variable to keep a list of files that have the recipes. erm, but at the same time the dependencies still have to be properly exposed, so different recipe versions make the overall package have different dependencies.
23:00 < gene_> http://hackaday.com/2009/01/04/parallel-parking-system/#more-7509
23:00 < gene_> off topic
23:03 < gene_> could some other program be cause my camera to be messed up?
23:03 < gene_> Could my camera have been sapped by high radiation?
23:04 < kanzure_> I don't know.
23:05 < gene_> well thanks for input
23:05 < kanzure_> install on another computer, if the resolution is still down then it's a hardware issue
23:05 < kanzure_> try to find a firmware reset button.
23:08 < kanzure_> http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/debtree/ debtree — package dependency graphs on steroids
23:23 < gene_> program writing tools: http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog/template.htm