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09:31 < genehacker> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-give-your-brain-an-electric-shock-learn-something-new.html
09:31 < kanzure> blah?
09:32 < kanzure> Speaking of blunt augmentation of the brain, I wish someone would publish an analysis of "which way to bump your head when you fall so as to become a savant".
09:36 < genehacker> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19025471.100
09:36 < genehacker> hook nine volt battery to head
09:36 < genehacker> ???
09:36 < genehacker> profit!
09:38 < genehacker> hmmm... I have a precision adjustable current regulating power supply, now if I could just get some electrodes
09:39 < kanzure3> bkero's cheap electrodes: pennies + solder + some contact lotion (shampoo)
09:40 < genehacker> lead free solder?
09:40 < genehacker> well I have to go
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12:54 < bkero> kanzure3: They're REALLY noisy, I've tried it.
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18:08 < genehacker> I think Ellington's testifying at the TEA right now Kanzure
18:23 < nsh> TEA? testifying about what?
18:34 < procto> kanzure3: http://seasteading.org/files/MIandT040_08_R1_Seastead_Exec_Sum.pdf
18:34 < procto> you might find that interesting
18:35 < procto> seasteading institute following through on their pledge to be open
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19:03 < kanzure> genehacker: Ellington does that often. Crusader for evolution education.
19:03 < kanzure> genehacker: But why do you say that? was this in the news recently or something?
19:03 < kanzure> procto: yeah, I was just talking with Patri the other day from the Seasteading Institute.
19:04 < kanzure> but he seemed to just kind of brush me aside- not that it's a big deal or anything,
19:04 < kanzure> but if *you* were approached by *me*, wouldn't you content-dump me or something? not just a "glad to hear" message?
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19:13 < genehacker> I guess you could call it news
19:13 < genehacker> http://at1.tea.state.tx.us/sboeaudio
19:14 < genehacker> Texas state board of education audio livestream
19:15 < genehacker> The Texas State board of education is full of idiots
19:15 < kanzure3> as a product of Texas secondary public education, I can attest to that
19:16 < genehacker> well I had the best damn biology teacher in the state of Texas
19:16 < kanzure3> nah, I had that guy.
19:16 < kanzure3> http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html
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19:17 < kanzure3> nah, I had that guy.
19:17 < kanzure3> http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html
19:17 < genehacker> oops
19:18 < genehacker> if my school district had more money, we would 've genetically modified bacteria to glow in the dark
19:20 < kanzure> oh yeah? well *my* school would have took over the world
19:20 < kanzure> if it weren't for those medling kids.
19:21 < genehacker> heh
19:21 < genehacker> btw are you listening to the livestream?
19:21 < kanzure> no
19:21 < kanzure> should I?
19:22 < kanzure> will it make me angry? :(
19:22 < genehacker> lol probably
19:25 < kanzure> this is retarded. I'm in a physics class for some reason, so the homework is on basic derivatives (wtf)
19:25 < kanzure> so it asks me to analyze a graph where you have the option to say that the rate of change is increasing always or if it is increasing and then not
19:26 < kanzure> if you zoom into the graph,
19:26 < kanzure> you clearly see that the pixels at the end make a leveling off
19:26 < kanzure> fuck them.
19:26 < genehacker> yeah I can see why you are bored
19:31 < genehacker> what are you taking again?
19:32 < kanzure> physics, psychology, multivariable calculus, ME205
19:32 < genehacker> btw, you know if you write a program to crack the unit passwords on ME205, the teacher might let you skip acouple units ;)
19:33 < kanzure> I have to wait until I figure out the URL :(
19:33 < genehacker> you haven't had the class yet?
19:33 < kanzure> nope
19:33 < kanzure> IIRC, no class this first week (I'll double check)
19:33 < kanzure> and even if there is, it's on Friday.
19:33 < genehacker> wait a sec
19:34 < genehacker> http://me205serv.me.utexas.edu/info.html
19:34 < genehacker> page isn't even made yet
19:34 < genehacker> huh, wonder if they changed some things
19:34 < kanzure> hm, the index page gives me an RSS feed
19:34 < kanzure> how considerate of them
19:35 < genehacker> well the professor who runs the class is pretty cool
19:35 < genehacker> he's an XKCD fan
19:35 < kanzure> yay
19:43 < genehacker> and he heads up the robotics program
19:43 < kanzure> huh?
19:43 < kanzure> which one?
19:43 < genehacker> pryor
19:44 < kanzure> no, which robotics program?
19:44 < genehacker> who I think you have
19:44 < genehacker> the one here
19:44 < kanzure> there are many robotics programs though
19:44 < kanzure> there's Kuiper's, for instance, but he's not ME.
19:44 < genehacker> made an automatic surgery robot
19:44 < kanzure> not telerobotic?
19:47 < fenn> ME205 is programming? why is programming in mechanical engineering department?
19:47 < fenn> and why isnt there a standard numbering system for uni classes?
19:48 < kanzure> when I first showed up at the university, I was registered under chemical engineering, so they were going to put me into a chemical engineering programming class in the petro building..
19:48 < genehacker> I think not
19:48 < kanzure> can we say "yay excel"
19:48  * kanzure sobs
19:48 < fenn> yikes
19:48 < kanzure> although genehacker was showing me that he was doin some java for the 205 class last semester
19:49 < kanzure> *doing
19:49 < genehacker> your doing excel?
19:49 < fenn> MATLAB, C, Java.. could be worse i suppose
19:49 < kanzure> fenn: right.
19:49 < kanzure> genehacker: what? No, of course not.
19:49 < fenn> C is a good language to be proficient in, but i bet they just do some hello world crap
19:49 < kanzure> but excel really is just Visual Basic Script, a lighter version of Visual Basic.
19:49 < genehacker> or are you laughing about what I did yesterday
19:49 < kanzure> yeah, I don't know if they go over pointers
19:50 < kanzure> garbage management is probably beyond "ME 205"
19:50 < genehacker> they do
19:50 < kanzure> malloc() yourself to heaven, kids. have fun.
19:50 < genehacker> but they say to just ignore it
19:50 < genehacker> never really got pointers
19:50 < kanzure> it points.
19:50 < kanzure> heh'
19:50 < genehacker> oh yeah
19:50 < fenn> it's a memory address
19:51 < fenn> hm. and the compiler knows what sort of data it points to, which is useful for moving around in arrays and structs
19:52 < kanzure> genehacker: so you said "if you can figure out the unit passwords"
19:52 < genehacker> I think that surgery robot was autonomous, but I can't remember, you might ask him
19:52 < fenn> but if they just included that info with the pointer, C could do lots more at runtime
19:52 < kanzure> does this mean I should write a bruteforce script?
19:52 < genehacker> yeah
19:52 < fenn> dictionary attack
19:52 < kanzure> I looked at the web pages and it looks to me like he's using a generated token on each page load to stop that sort of thing
19:52 < genehacker> no
19:52 < kanzure> so I'll have to do some HTTP-foo I guess.
19:52 < genehacker> you can't use dictionary attack
19:52 < genehacker> it
19:52 < kanzure> why not?
19:52 < fenn> make sure you write it in MATLAB
19:52 < kanzure> ugh
19:53 < genehacker> it's all characters from a-z including caps
19:53 < fenn> rofl
19:53 < kanzure> genehacker: how long?
19:53 < genehacker> I think 6 characters long
19:53 < genehacker> let me check my unit password list
19:53 < kanzure> the server response time is fast, 6 is ok.
19:54 < genehacker> oh, I guess you don't need the unit passwords
19:54 < kanzure> fenn: so when I paid for the internet connection the other day, the $0.37 ..
19:54 < genehacker> because those are just for learning the stuff
19:54 < kanzure> I should have had used a pre-paid credit card.
19:54 < kanzure> I am an idiot.
19:54 < genehacker> why?
19:54 < genehacker> so you could remain untraceable?
19:54 < kanzure> right.
19:55 < genehacker> but if you make your attack noticeable...
19:55 < kanzure> huh?
19:55 < kanzure> no, I mean in general
19:55 < genehacker> then you might get to skip a couple units
19:55 < fenn> should have had used is what tense?
19:55 < genehacker> do you know matlab kanzure?
19:56 < kanzure> genehacker: no, but octave is mostly compatible with matlab, and I know a little bit of octave
19:56 < genehacker> matlab is fucking awesome
19:56 < kanzure> no it's not.
19:56 < genehacker> except that the fact that it's not free
19:56 < kanzure> matlab, mathematica, solidworks, pro/e, autocad,
19:56 < genehacker> have you seen what you can do with it?
19:56 < kanzure> I'll take no part in this indoctrination culture.
19:56 < fenn> apparently the strength of matlab is its libraries
19:57 < kanzure> too bad matlab hasn't gone the way of fortran.
19:57 < kanzure> both are equally engrained in research-culture..
19:59 < genehacker> matlab has some nifty 3d simulation tools and stuff
19:59 < genehacker> oh wait
19:59 < genehacker> matlab sucks
19:59 < genehacker> it sucks a lot
20:00 < kanzure> what does this mean? "which velocity graph shows the car moving toward the left (otward the origin) at a steady (constant) velocity?"
20:00 < kanzure> the object starts at the origin
20:00 < kanzure> *toward
20:00 < kanzure> so what the fuck is this smoking?
20:01 < kanzure> why am I in this class. haven't I done this enough yet? do I have to be mentally ass-raped for the rest of my life doing the same things over and over again?
20:01 < genehacker> you have to save all your data that you process in matlab has to be saved in the special matlab format
20:01 < fenn> yep pretty much
20:01 < genehacker> yeah
20:01 < genehacker> same with thermo
20:01 < fenn> this is what i finally confirmed my senior year of college
20:01 < kanzure> so who does this benefit, again?
20:02 < genehacker> this is how classes start out, this is why I did a weird dual credit thing
20:02 < fenn> the large number of people who get paid lots of money for what are essentially office jobs
20:02 < kanzure> but their jobs suck..
20:02 < fenn> yes
20:02 < fenn> they should be replaced with computers immediately
20:02 < kanzure> a few quick scripts and their entire job is automated.
20:03 < genehacker> replace who?
20:03 < nsh-> "do I have to be mentally ass-raped for the rest of my life doing the same things over and over again?"   -- unfortunately, yes, that appears to be how society works
20:03 < kanzure> the people that this benefits
20:03 < fenn> university administration
20:04 < fenn> or at least that's where i think the money goes.. hard to be sure
20:05 < kanzure> I was proposing to somebody over lunch the other day the concept of changing the job culture 
20:05 < kanzure> the one that has HR demons requiring degrees
20:05 < kanzure> not for myself, but for the future
20:05 < kanzure> some sort of slow, planned strategic culture shift
20:05 < kanzure> (of course, jobs suck anyway, so who cares)
20:07 < genehacker> define HR
20:07 < genehacker> well, um, there are people who blame the economic crisis on the quants
20:08 < kanzure> Lehman Brothers sent me an email about a job position as a quant programmer
20:08 < fenn> "quants"?
20:08 < kanzure> then I realized who Lehman Brothers is/was..
20:08 < kanzure> quants - quantitative finance types.
20:08 < fenn> um, accountant?
20:08 < kanzure> and then there's quant programmers, who go over financial API information all day it seems.
20:08 < fenn> or actuarial?
20:08 < kanzure> not sure. not my bullshit :/
20:09 < fenn> wtf is a non-quantitative finance type? "dude we're making tons of money over here!"
20:09 < genehacker> I wish we could make a Magi supercomputer system, so we could solve the whole politics problem
20:09 < kanzure> fenn: marketing, advertisements, .. sounds very non-quantitative to me.
20:09 < kanzure> genehacker: what politics problem
20:09 < fenn> that's called "marketing" not finance
20:09 < genehacker> government
20:09 < kanzure> that's kinda what we're doing
20:10 < kanzure> I mean, I don't mean to word it like that
20:10 < kanzure> but if you've been keeping up on the old openmanufacturing posts,
20:10 < kanzure> the idea of an O'Neill habitat largely makes other governments obsolete
20:10 < fenn> not exactly
20:10 < kanzure> or a sufficiently operational system on the planet
20:10 < genehacker> what making a Magi Supercomputer system just like in Evangelion
20:10 < kanzure> no
20:10 < fenn> it provides extra room for experimentation
20:10 < kanzure> fork() is mainly what I'm thinking of, fenn.
20:10 < genehacker> well what happens when you have wackos who want to blow the thing up?
20:11 < fenn> current governments can't just wither and die without bad human consequences
20:11 < kanzure> genehacker: you have whackos even now..
20:11 < kanzure> how is that different?
20:11 < fenn> current governments are largely obselete already, but there's nowhere to set up a new government to demonstrate this
20:11 < kanzure> although in this other scenario, you would probably have lots of redundancy, so the whackos would never really win (much) 
20:11 < kanzure> unless Eliezer becomes a super god ai and proves how evil ai is
20:11 < fenn> genehacker: please explain how to blow up a 1 mile diameter cylinder
20:12 < genehacker> you blow a sufficiently sized hole in it
20:12 < fenn> how big of a hole?
20:12 < genehacker> you destroy the life support
20:12 < fenn> and where do you get the explosives to do this?
20:12 < genehacker> you make them
20:12 < fenn> i dont think you realize how big of a hole is needed
20:12 < genehacker> you ram a rocket into it
20:12 < fenn> hmm ok maybe
20:13 < genehacker> you monkey wrench the lifesupport
20:13 < fenn> but rockets wouldn't be going anywhere near this thing in practice, so you could just shoot down anything coming too fast
20:13 < fenn> er, wrap a net around it with boosters i guess
20:13 < kanzure> fenn: be careful, it's easier to destroy than to create
20:13 < kanzure> genehacker will win this. redundancy, though.
20:13 < genehacker> why wouldn't you have rockets going into and out of it every so often
20:14 < fenn> well it turns out that space habitats are rather more resistant to destruction than we expect
20:14 < genehacker> I need a change of scenery every now and then
20:14 < kanzure> fenn: yes, but he started off talking about internal whackos
20:14 < fenn> genehacker: because rockets would go to the space port which is part of industrial sector (several km away)
20:14 < fenn> i'm not talking about passenger shuttles
20:15 < genehacker> well if you have rockets at all, rockets can be blown up
20:15 < fenn> again, rockets are on the outside
20:15 < genehacker> blow one up on the outside
20:15 < fenn> that wouldnt do anything
20:16 < genehacker> are you sure?
20:16 < fenn> yes
20:16 < genehacker> how thick are the walls
20:16 < fenn> something like 10cm of glass fiber and a couple meters water
20:17 < fenn> i'm not sure on the numbers though
20:17 < fenn> depends on a lot of things
20:17 < genehacker> only 10 cm of glass fiber?
20:17 < fenn> it's "really strong(tm)"
20:17 < fenn> special water-free lunar glass
20:17 < fenn> >1GPa
20:17 < genehacker> is it impregnated with epoxy
20:17 < fenn> uh, i dunno, maybe?
20:17 < genehacker> well then you can dissolve it with some HF
20:18 < fenn> it's coated in vapor deposited aluminum
20:18 < fenn> is that really the best you can come up with?
20:18 < genehacker> won't make a difference
20:18 < genehacker> might make it shiny
20:19 < fenn> A nonaqueous electrolyte secondary battery comprising: an electrolyte comprising hydrofluoric acid, a battery case made of aluminum or an aluminum alloy,
20:19 < fenn> hmm this makes me think aluminum isnt terribly soluble in HF
20:19 < genehacker> ORLY?
20:19 < fenn> anyway, you're not gonna get enough acid to make a big enough hole to matter
20:20 < fenn> i think they calculated a 1 meter hole had a leakdown time to half pressure of several years
20:20 < genehacker> well you could aim a microwave at it and melt holes in it
20:21 < genehacker> get the glass hot enough and it'll conduct electricity apply electricity and the glass gets hotter
20:21 < fenn> 2.3m hole, 1%/hr leakdown
20:21 < fenn> oops 4.6m diameter, that
20:22 < genehacker> well if you have a war going on for a year, you might have a problem
20:22 < fenn> if you have a war going on you could just nuke the place
20:23 < genehacker> a better method for messing things up would be to release nerve gas
20:23 < fenn> how's that better?
20:23 < genehacker> mess with the biosphere
20:23 < genehacker> or maybe herbicides
20:23 < fenn> ooo scary
20:23 < fenn> hold still or i'm gonna spray roundup~
20:24 < genehacker> or some biosphere disrupting invasive species
20:24 < genehacker> or genetically engineered super biosphere b gone bacteria
20:24 < kanzure> you have no evidence that there would be a traditional biosphere implementation
20:24 < kanzure> what with in vitro meat, hydroponics, dedicated servers and dedicated batch processing possibilities..
20:25 < genehacker> pour plant killer in the hydroponics
20:25 < fenn> most agriculture would be grown in much cheaper pods in stationary positions around the habitat
20:25 < genehacker> ok solves that
20:25 < genehacker> lot's of things can go wrong
20:25 < fenn> yes indeed
20:26 < fenn> somehow i think a space habitat would be engineered with proper lifeboats, unlike most cities today
20:27 < fenn> like a neighborhood storm shelter would probably double as a lifeboat
20:27 < genehacker> where you put the habitat
20:27 < genehacker> L1 right?
20:27 < fenn> l4/l5
20:27 < fenn> or polar lunar orbit seems like a good idea
20:27 < fenn> for smaller habitats
20:27 < genehacker> heh, you could have storms in a space colony?
20:27 < fenn> solar flares
20:28 < genehacker> oh yeah
20:28 < fenn> you could make it rain at the same time so people dont need to be reminded :)
20:28 < genehacker> well you could fill the whole thing up with a layer of water and live on boats
20:29 < kanzure> gravity?
20:29 < fenn> that's a lot of water
20:29 < kanzure> submarines maybe
20:29 < kanzure> but you're already in a submarine, except rated for an atmosphere of 0.
20:29 < fenn> gravity what?
20:29 < genehacker> it would be spinning kanzure
20:29 < kanzure> okay, nevermind
20:29 < fenn> it takes a couple years to spin up
20:30 < genehacker> it would be interesting to have big spheres of water in null g
20:30 < genehacker> floating in a big cylinder
20:31 < fenn> but how would the fish know which way is up? :)
20:31 < genehacker> who said anything about fish?
20:31 < fenn> i did
20:31 < genehacker> fish introduce complications
20:32 < fenn> pff
20:32 < fenn> what good is a big sphere of water without fish
20:32 < genehacker> especially if they're living in a big sphere of water
20:32 < genehacker> fish need air
20:33 < genehacker> you'd have to figure out how to oxygenate the water
20:33 < fenn> water circulators
20:33 < genehacker> if you blow bubbles in it, like we do with fishtanks on earth, you might end up with a big bubble
20:34 < fenn> but anyway, ocean fish seem to do ok
20:34 < genehacker> that might work
20:34 < genehacker> what scifi novel featured that?
20:35 < fenn> ben's dreamland v1.6
20:35 < genehacker> link?
20:36 < fenn> not published
20:36 < fenn> "a deepness in the sky" featured zero-g parks
20:38 < fenn> it's a pretty realistic description of life in a small space habitat
20:39 < fenn> i should read more vinge.. seems to stick with me
20:39 < genehacker> man we really need a self-replicating lunar factory so things like this can start existing
20:39 < fenn> we really need any kind of space factory
20:40 < fenn> but apparently nasa/esa/whoever is fine with just "space camping"
20:41 < fenn> Find a Camping vacation in Space. Visit Space, take a Camping vacation to Space, and enjoy a Camping trip in Space.
20:41 < fenn> www.tours.com/tours_vacations/space/camping.htm
20:41 < genehacker> You ask me for a hamburger. My attempt to reciprocate is cut brutally short as my body experiences a sudden lack of electrons. Across a variety of hidden dimensions you are dismayed. John Lennon hands me an apple, but it slips through my fingers. I am reborn as an ocelot. You disapprove. A crack echoes through the universe in defiance of conventional physics as cosmological background noise...
20:41 < genehacker> ...shifts from randomness to a perfect A Flat. Children everywhere stop what they are doing and hum along in perfect pitch with the background radiation. Birds fall from the sky as the sun engulfs the earth. You hesitate momentarily before allowing yourself to assume the locus of all knowledge. Entropy crumbles as you peruse the information contained within the universe. A small library in...
20:41 < genehacker> ...Phoenix ceases to exist. You stumble under the weight of everythingness, Your mouth opens up to cry out, and collapses around your body before blinking you out of the spatial plane. You exist only within the fourth dimension. The fountainhead of all knowledge rolls along the ground and collides with a small dog. My head tastes sideways as spacetime is reestablished, you blink back into...
20:41 < genehacker> ...the corporeal world disoriented, only for me to hand you a hamburger as my body collapses under the strain of reconstitution. The universe has reasserted itself. A particular small dog is fed steak for the rest of its natural life. You die in a freak accident moments later, and you soul works at the returns desk for the Phoenix library. You disapprove. Your disapproval sends ripples...
20:41 < genehacker> ...through the inter-dimensional void between life and death. A small child begins to cry as he walks toward the stairway where his father stands.
20:41 < kanzure> hrm, I think fenn copied and pasted from a Google search results page
20:41 < genehacker> weirdest thing I have found on the internet
20:42 < kanzure> he never leaves off an http and leaves on a www :/
20:42 < kanzure> genehacker: that sounds like Wargasm.
20:42 < genehacker> hmmm?
20:43 < kanzure3> http://www.intelligenesiscorp.com/goertzel/fiction/wargazm/war6.html
20:43 < fenn> for a while there google put a space between the server and the path
20:43 < kanzure> yes
20:43 < kanzure> I hated that
20:44 < fenn> i just thought the url was funny, it doesn't go anywhere
20:44 < kanzure> I thought it'd be a bot spam generated page thingamajig
20:45 < fenn> maybe they offer horseback riding as well
20:45 < fenn> we need more research on horse space suits!
20:46 < kanzure> no, elephant space suits!!
20:50 < fenn> my first thought was "hey there's no wire going to that antenna!" http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z44/WicketTheEwok/Notty%20Silly%20Random%20Jokes/peeweespacesuitlachappelle.jpg
20:51 < fenn> but obviously there are many technical inaccuracies
20:57 < genehacker> well duh fenn, the antenna is wireless, or has clear conductive traces so as not to interfere with your vision
20:58 < genehacker> well that thing that I posted was from a discussion on what discordianism should do next
21:02 < fenn> The Federation of American Scientists (FAS), recently tested the stability of structures built with the combination of expanded polystyrene (foam), and cement board. This method of building maintains the rigidity needed, yet remains lightweight, so it can withstand earthquakes of magnitude 10. Remarkably, the structure doesn’t require any wood members to create a rigid frame. FAS is in the process of using this method to build an
21:03 < fenn> this sounds like a great way to make a house anywhere
21:03 < kanzure3> cutoff @ "FAS is in the process of using this method to build a" .. a super star destroyer?
21:03 < fenn> an ‘elegant home’.
21:03 < kanzure3> I shouldn't have asked, that sucks
21:03 < fenn> not quite as exciting is it
21:03 < kanzure3> is it a home written in lisp? :/
21:04 < kanzure3> (is lisp elegant?)
21:04 < fenn> you'd think The Federation of American Scientists  would have more exciting projects wouldnt you?
21:04 < kanzure3> yes :(
21:04 < fenn> its like they made the atomic bombs and have been sitting on their heels since
21:04 < kanzure3> not even bucky got many people moving.
21:51 < genehacker> http://img.4chan.org/r9k/res/2856754.html
21:51 < genehacker> heh
21:51 < genehacker> this fake person from the future seems pretty legit to me, wonder if kurzweil's trolling 4chan
21:54 < kanzure> there are a few people that troll teh internets claiming to be from the future
21:54 < kanzure> one guy in particular has been doing it since the 90s
21:56 < fenn> i think the actlab people would like this page http://www.locurto-outcault.com/pages/storyboard1Page.html
21:57 < procto> kanzure: if I was a busy dude in patri's position, I'm pretty sure "glad to hear" would be most likely
21:57 < kanzure> how is it possible to be too busy to give people work to do
21:58 < kanzure> I mean, I'd outsource it anyway, but still.
21:59 < fenn> how exactly "seems pretty legit"
21:59 < fenn> this is the lamest i've read yet
22:00 < kanzure3> google funding.
22:17 < fenn> re: 4chan future troll, marshall brain certainly wasn't the first to advocate robots and basic income
22:22 < kanzure> These electronic grading systems are kind of fishy. I'm pretty sure my math is right, but then it tells me no. Double check, confirm, it's still a no-go.
22:23 < kanzure> this hasn't really happened all last semester using this same system for multiple classes..
22:23 < kanzure> it's also possible that I just haven't been so severely wrong
22:24 < ybit> nice inventory list kanzure
22:24 < kanzure> your only now seeing it? :)
22:25 < ybit> heh, yep. was away gathering materials for this charity event that i've been working on for the past 1.5 months
22:25 < fenn> looks like quite an active thread though
22:26 < kanzure> one response from Michel?
22:26 < kanzure> or am I missing something
22:26 < kanzure> or are you talking about seasteading?
22:26 < ybit> that's it
22:29 < kanzure> acceleration = -(0.671)^2 / 4.8 ; initial velocity = 0.671 ; time until velocity halves = 3.5767511 seconds, right?
22:29 < ybit> the seasteading thread "land and capital; invention and automation" is a month old..
22:29 < kanzure> ybit: not that thread. 
22:29 < kanzure> I thought there was a more recent one
22:29 < kanzure> hrm, maybe I didn't send it
22:30 < ybit> ah, you probably mean the "beach scene drawn w/ fluorescent bacteria"?
22:31 < kanzure> ..no.
22:31 < kanzure> hm.
22:31 < ybit> beach, sea... come on!
22:31 < ybit> :)
22:32 < ybit> kde 4.1 uses more sys resources than gnome 2.2*
22:32 < ybit> 24*
22:32 < ybit> ..in their default setups
22:33 < ybit> funtoo.org
22:34 < ybit> "a Gentoo Linux variant ...has its own git-based Portage tree that tracks the upstream Gentoo tree"
22:36 < kanzure> now you can compile the entire history of GNU since 1984, all from the comfort of your last year's model personal computer
22:36 < kanzure> although otherwise interesting.
22:38 < ybit> huh, seems portage already has support to use git instead of rysnc
22:40 < fenn> i meant the future guy thread.. it's updating in real time faster than this channel
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22:43 < fenn> well, it was until i mentioned it..
22:44 < ybit> future guy?
22:45 < fenn> ^^ 4chan link
22:46 < ybit> http://blog.funtoo.org/2009/01/portage-is-now-git-friendly.html for all you gentooers, if you exist
23:05 < nsh-> that's some dedicated troll-playing
23:11 < fenn> i wonder why seastead's float columns aren't aerodynamic (or hydrodynamic or whatever)
23:40 < genehacker> yeah he really seems very dedicated, wonder if it's part of some marketing campaign
23:42 < genehacker> well you know fenn, I don't think anyone has come up with a nice and stable hydrodynamic design
23:42 < fenn> i think they usually end up writing a book
23:42 < fenn> ffs anything would be more hydrodynamic than square cylinders
23:51 < genehacker> this design might be better
23:51 < genehacker> http://www.oceanstaroec.com/images/giftcatalog/854semi.gif
23:52 < genehacker> http://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/ocean_liners/EirikRaude.jpg
23:53 < genehacker> do seasteads need to be mobile?
23:57 < fenn> more or less
23:57 < fenn> i meant for up/down wave motion though
23:57 < fenn> but ship-shape couldnt hurt either :P
23:59 < genehacker> well you want stability on a seastead, lots of stability