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11:19 < kanzure3> ` for instance, we are developing such web platform tool : cycsim :
11:19 < kanzure3> http://www.genoscope.cns.fr/cycsim/
11:19 < kanzure3> it allow to predict the growth of a bacteria in a specific medium with
11:19 < kanzure3> specific gene deletion ! `
11:25 < kanzure> "If you abolish intellectual property protection, approximately 85% of all scientists and engineers, that is the ones not directly supported by charities, the military and the various other governmental units, will quit working. One has to make a living, and hobbyists won't pick up the slack - technology is not like blogging, singing garage band songs, or amusing yourself with some Sunday afternoon programming."
11:25 < kanzure> hahah
11:26 < kanzure> what bullshit.
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13:16 < kanzure3> fenn: I was going back over the page on Systemantics. 
13:16 < kanzure3> #18 The Newtonian Law of Systems Inertia: A system that performs a certain way will continue to operate in that way regardless of the need or of changed conditions.
13:16 < kanzure3> (re: mental inertia)
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16:14 < genehacker> hey kanzure put this under /equipment
16:14 < genehacker> http://chemeducator.org/sbibs/s0011002/spapers/1120088jw.htm
16:15 < genehacker> cheap raman spectroscopy
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16:33 < kanzure> wasn't there a CD-based raman spec out on the net a while back?
16:45 < ybit> #rtms
16:45 < kanzure> There's nobody in there.
16:48 < ybit> right
16:48 < ybit> just wanting a status update on it
16:48 < ybit> the free-rtms
16:48 < kanzure> somebody on the open-rtms list was talking the other day with me about what needs to get done
16:48 < ybit> are going by the patents found online?
16:49 < kanzure> papers, mostly
16:49 < ybit> i didn't know there was an open-rtms list
16:49 < kanzure> on the sourceforge mailing list for open-rtms there has been some recent discussion if you're interested
16:49 < kanzure> oh :)
16:49 < kanzure> http://open-rtms.sf.net/
16:49 < kanzure> something about needing to set up a line integral framework for getting the right coil designs
16:49 < kanzure> and then machining those coils
16:49 < kanzure> and then figuring out what the hell electronics are needed to operate it
16:51 < ybit> oh, apparently i was already subscribed
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16:52 < ybit> aha, http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/
16:52 < ybit> glad you posted that link in the mailing list, didn't want to ask you for the link once again
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16:55 < ybit> just got finished w/ the charity event yesterday, writing thank yous right now... more time to follow the oManu world. w00t
16:55 < ybit> but first... oMoney
16:55 < ybit> gots to build a few things for that
17:00 < kanzure> ybit: my latest email to om might help you understand why I am disinterested in open money.
17:06 < ybit> the one in the russian OS thread?
17:06 < kanzure> yes
17:06 < ybit> k
17:14 < nsh> kanzure, what does interest you at the moment?
17:15 < kanzure> same things as always?
17:15 < kanzure> have my interests changed dramatically?
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17:36 < kanzure> nsh: No change.
17:36 < kanzure> nsh: I'm working more now on interoperability of machines and programs. Kind of my way of doing some yak shaving I guess.
17:36 < nsh> mmm
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18:15 < kanzure> genehacker: Do you know of the EDM home builders online group?
19:09 < genehacker> no
19:09 < genehacker> why?
19:09 < kanzure> would you like to?
19:09 < genehacker> yes
19:09 < genehacker> very much so
19:09 < genehacker> why?
19:09 < kanzure> http://superkuh.stumbleupon.com/ has the link on the front page
19:10 < genehacker> ah yes superkuh
19:10 < kanzure> hm?
19:11 < kanzure> did I introduce you to him or tell you about him yet?
19:11 < genehacker> you did
19:11 < genehacker> I think I found his brain scan on youtube
19:12 < kanzure> yep.
19:12 < genehacker> now as you were saying 
19:12 < genehacker> you want to do some ECM?
19:13 < kanzure> not right now
19:13 < kanzure> I just saw the link and thought you'd like to know
19:13 < genehacker> ok
19:13 < genehacker> so I've been reading about the filter
19:13 < genehacker> how it works and all
19:14 < genehacker> it works by something called the tubular pinch effect
19:16 < genehacker> particle flow in a pipe is interesting
19:17 < kanzure> links please
19:17 < genehacker> http://www.google.com/search?q=tubular+pinch+effect&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
19:18 < kanzure> well, no, what about the link to where you learned about tubular pinch effects?
19:18 < genehacker> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=7&url=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0021967307009776&ei=qQ19Sdn4EJGYsAPFu-Uu&usg=AFQjCNFUx54o10D-9GOq0Ar8iAUUD4xOfg&sig2=iZtR70kjGo09forZffUo6g
19:19 < genehacker> it's really annoying though, some of the papers that explain the tubular pinch effect aren't free
19:19 < kanzure> aren't you on the UT network?
19:19 < genehacker> yeah
19:19 < kanzure> if you find one that isn't free, just tell me
19:20 < kanzure> it turns out that I can only access some of the content that UT can, 
19:20 < kanzure> but if I ssh into the mechanical engineering dept computers,
19:20 < genehacker> heh
19:20 < kanzure> I can get papers that are otherwise restricted
19:20 < kanzure> which is retarded and dumb. but whatever.
19:20 < genehacker> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=387130
19:20 < kanzure> need it?
19:20 < genehacker> yeah maybe
19:21 < genehacker> I need the maths
19:21 < kanzure> huh, that's a highly relevant paper
19:21 < genehacker> that describe how the tubular pinch effect works
19:22 < genehacker> so I can test this idea I have
19:22 < genehacker> for a new filter design
19:22 < kanzure3> http://www.springerlink.com/content/g28838p5642g4312/fulltext.pdf  
19:22 < kanzure3> guess that's not it.
19:22 < kanzure3> desc: http://www.springerlink.com/content/g28838p5642g4312/
19:23 < genehacker> close enough
19:23 < genehacker> I just need the math
19:27  * nsh is now accessless
19:28 < kanzure> the status of being without a foot?
19:28 < kanzure> was it amputated?
19:28 < nsh> state of being without credentials to an journal access proxy
19:28 < kanzure> you know how to steal access, right?
19:29 < nsh> enlighten
19:29 < kanzure> there are ezproxy password trading rings on the warez forums
19:29 < nsh> ah
19:29 < kanzure> http://ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/login?url=http://nature.com/ but you'd need a login/pass
19:29  * nsh nods
19:30 < kanzure> some computers are infected by keyloggers, so that information is sometimes captured and sent along to the warez folks.
19:30 < nsh> i get the picture :-)
19:30 < nsh> these warez forums you speak of...
19:30 < genehacker> http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.1632
19:30 < genehacker> new paper is new
19:31 < genehacker> heh, looks like we don't know how the tubular pinch effect works
19:31 < kanzure> time for some simulations.
19:32 < genehacker> of?
19:32 < kanzure> of the effect?
19:32 < kanzure> nsh: hm.
19:33 < genehacker> that's why I want the math
19:33 < kanzure> you should look for the experiments and then see what mathematical models they were using that 'almost worked'
19:34 < kanzure> and then see how much they were off- it might have been by a delta, by an offset, etc..
19:34 < kanzure> nsh: http://heybryan.org/docs/ there's a txt file in here about that, warez_boards.txt maybe IIRC
19:34 < nsh> thanks
19:37 < kanzure> "Stupid shopping list.. turning food into work. Grr." - Homer.
19:37 < genehacker> yeah
19:38 < nsh> kanzure, check this too: http://forum.darkc0de.com/index.php?action=vthread&forum=6&topic=5455
19:38 < nsh> ( Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:13 )
19:38 < nsh> i would script that list to check for 404's
19:38 < nsh> weed them out
19:38 < kanzure> whati s it?
19:38 < nsh> actually, you could automate a spidering of warez boards...
19:38 < kanzure> I'm not at my browser at the moment
19:38 < kanzure> yeah
19:38 < kanzure> yep, that's the idea
19:38 < nsh> oh, big list of above
19:38 < nsh> *of the above
19:39 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/autoscholar/ might also benefit from an abstraction layer like that
19:39 < nsh> what i'd do is run queries on random couplets from previous lists
19:39 < nsh> to bring up results with other people's lists
19:39 < nsh> then add them to the heap and re-prune via 404 checking
19:40 < nsh> rinse lather repeat
19:40 < kanzure> it's not quite as easy as 404, it's login invalid of course
19:40 < kanzure> if HTTP 404 response was given that'd be awesome, but nobody ever keeps to the standard..
19:40 < nsh> sure, all the typical error codes
19:40 < nsh> right
19:40 < kanzure> bah, if people respected error codes :(
19:40 < nsh> you can also fingerprint the sites to some degree each run
19:40 < nsh> then make a simple metric for fingerprint identity on subsequent runs
19:40 < kanzure> wget cna do the login, btw.
19:40 < nsh> in case the domain gets turned into something crap
19:41 < nsh> aye
19:41 < kanzure> ezproxy is consistent across the sites, so it's not a big challenge or anything
19:41 < kanzure> so they usually find out about an account being compromised, actually
19:41 < kanzure> but that's probably because the usage behavior is all weird and such
19:41 < kanzure> but
19:41 < kanzure> if there's a way to hide this
19:41 < kanzure> by properly load balancing each site
19:41 < nsh> hmm
19:42 < kanzure> then that might be worth investigating.
19:42 < nsh> not sure what advantage you'd get over hit-and-run
19:42 < nsh> but worth a look maybe
19:42 < kanzure> many people hit-and-run == bad
19:42 < nsh> true
19:42 < kanzure> because then the account is locked down
19:42 < nsh> depends on the frequency of new login captures
19:42 < nsh> i tell you what though...
19:42 < kanzure> I've never been able to figure out the real source of the new logins
19:42 < nsh> a vulnerability in ezproxy would be the motherload
19:42 < kanzure> it's always supplied by a few key individuals, but I also know that these people aren't running the botnets
19:43 < kanzure> hm
19:43 < kanzure> what server is it running on?
19:43 < nsh> well, i meant the software in general on different institutions servers
19:43 < nsh> though it's probably quite locked down
19:43 < kanzure> yes, ezproxy is standardized
19:43 < kanzure> some supplier got the big check :)
19:43 < nsh> aye
19:44 < nsh> hrmm
19:44 < nsh> usually the usernames are quite formulaic
19:45 < nsh> i wonder what could be done with dictionary attacks against usernames
19:45 < kanzure3> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fezproxy.lib.utexas.edu%2F
19:45 < kanzure3> Solaris
19:45 < nsh> using a most-common-password bredth-first search
19:45 < kanzure3> Solaris 9/10
19:45 < kanzure3> yes, bruteforce and dictionary attacks are possible I guess.
19:46 < kanzure3> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6775 Solaris 9 PortBind XDR-DECODE taddr2uaddr() Remote DoS
19:46 < nsh> in a faculty of 200 students
19:46 < nsh> chances of one using a password in the top 5 are probably quite high
19:47 < nsh> of course bugging ezproxy can get you everyone's passwords
19:47 < nsh> if you clean in and out then you've got that instution for a good while
19:48 < nsh> but crime doesn't pay, kids
19:48 < kanzure3> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6786
19:50 < genehacker> shit I need to change my password
19:50 < genehacker> what dictionaries are used for the attacks?
19:50 < kanzure> all of them
19:51 < kanzure> there are lists that have millions of words..
19:51 < genehacker> all of them? Even klaxar?
19:52 < kanzure> all I see is "all of them? Even ******?"
19:52  * nsh chuckles
19:52 < genehacker> cool
19:52 < genehacker> I didn't know that IRC had a password hide feature
19:59 < kanzure> Chris Zagar.
20:01 < genehacker> ???
20:03 < kanzure3> http://timesync.gmu.edu/wordpress/?p=331
20:05 < nsh> is this you, kanzure ...
20:05 < kanzure> what?
20:05 < genehacker> http://www.rsc.org/ej/LC/2006/b515272k.pdf
20:05 < nsh> oh no, someone in tehram
20:05 < nsh> *tehran
20:05 < kanzure> that doesn't mean it's not me
20:05  * nsh smiles
20:05 < kanzure> but it's not anyway
20:05 < nsh> of course
20:06 < genehacker> looks easy enough, I don't know about efficiency
20:06  * nsh nods
20:12 < genehacker> what's a reynold'
20:13 < genehacker> s number?
20:13 < kanzure> hm, I should know this one
20:13 < kanzure> it's from fluids, some coefficient
20:13 < kanzure> ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces
20:15 < genehacker> ok so what are inertial forces and viscous forces
20:16 < nsh> intertia makes bits want to keep going
20:16 < nsh> viscosity makes them want to stop
20:19 < kanzure3> www.oclc.org/ezproxy
20:19 < kanzure3> "0:16 < nsh> viscosity makes them want to stop
20:19 < kanzure3> 0:16 < nsh> viscosity makes them want to stop
20:19 < kanzure3> alj;dfl;dfjl;akfkj
20:19 < kanzure3> 0:16 < nsh> viscosity makes them want to stop
20:19 < kanzure3> 2kl;dak
20:19 < kanzure3> You may download and try EZproxy for a 30-day trial period at no charge.
20:19 < kanzure3> there we go.
20:19 < nsh> whatnow?
20:19 < nsh> ah
20:19 < kanzure3> heh'
20:19 < kanzure3> I fail :(
20:19 < nsh> i though i'd offended you with viscosity :-)
20:20 < genehacker> I still don't get it
20:20 < genehacker> how do I determine the renoyld's number of something
20:20 < genehacker> or make sure that it is low
20:20 < kanzure3> http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/01/25/rewrite.textbooks.transcription.bidirectional
20:21 < kanzure3> genehacker: you just need to make sure that (QD)/(vA) is low, where v = kinematic velocity (m^2/sec)
20:21 < kanzure3> A = cross-sectional area
20:21 < kanzure3> Q = volumetric flow rate (m^3/sec)
20:21 < kanzure3> D = diameter (m)
20:21 < kanzure3> uh, obviously, area = m^2
20:22 < kanzure3> oops
20:22 < kanzure3> k = kinematic viscosity
20:22 < kanzure3> erm
20:22 < kanzure3> v = kinematic viscosity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematic_viscosity 
20:22 < genehacker> what's cross sectional area in this case?
20:22 < kanzure3> dunno, what did you set it as in your model?
20:22 < kanzure3> in the CAD model
20:23 < genehacker> why is it different than diameter?
20:24 < kanzure3> "generally include the fluid properties of density and viscosity, plus a velocity and a characteristic length or characteristic dimension. This dimension is a matter of convention - for example a radius or diameter are equally valid for spheres or circles, but one is chosen by convention. For flow in a pipe or a sphere moving in a fluid the diameter is generally used today. Other shapes (such as rectangular pipes or non-spherical objects) have an equivalent diameter defined. For fluids of variable density (e.g. compressible gases) or variable viscosity (non-Newtonian fluids) special rules apply. The velocity may also be a matter of convention in some circumstances, notably stirred vessels."
20:25 < kanzure3> "by convention" wtf type of answer is that
20:25 < genehacker> I'll figure it out later
20:25 < genehacker> it's homework time
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22:02 < kanzure> heh, neat
22:02 < kanzure> Joseph just got an invitation to do a talk in India 
22:02 < kanzure> Chandigarth, India, during March.
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22:15 < fenn> "these new FAA regulations a welcome step forward in our quest for reaching space" wtf
22:22 < ybit> oh geez
22:22 < ybit> sorry kanzure
22:22 < kanzure> ?
22:23 < ybit> though i was wgetting your pdf files... but it wasn't
22:23 < ybit> it's been recursively downloading some html file
22:23 < kanzure> huh?
22:23 < ybit> yeah
22:24 < ybit> huh, well
22:24 < ybit> it grabbed the pdfs
22:24 < ybit> i wonder what it was doing
22:25 < ybit> Connecting to heybryan.org|66.112.232.117|:80... connected.              
22:25 < ybit> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK                           
22:25 < ybit> Length: unspecified [text/html]                                          
22:25 < ybit> Saving to: `heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/index.html?C=S;O=D'     
22:25 < ybit>     [                   <=>          ] 18,012      7.77K/s   in 12s    
22:25 < ybit> kept doing that over and over
22:25 < ybit> oh.. and
22:25 < kanzure> oh, index.html might exist
22:25 < ybit> 2009-01-25 22:17:31 (1.51 KB/s) - `heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/index.html?C=S;O=D' saved [18012]                                         
22:25 < ybit> Removing heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/index.html?C=S;O=D since it should be rejected.    
22:25 < kanzure> since what? :p
22:26 < ybit> wget -A pdf -r http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/
22:26 < ybit> oooh
22:26 < ybit> well
22:26 < ybit> -r explains everything
22:27 < ybit> no l1
22:27 < kanzure> wget -m -np
22:27 < fenn> -r shouldnt repetitively get the same file over and over unless there's a cyclic symlink
22:27 < fenn> for most situations i like wget -rk -np -nc
22:27 < kanzure> nc?
22:27 < kanzure> k?
22:27 < fenn> -nc for interrupted downloads
22:28 < fenn> -k converts links to work on a local copy (otherwise they point to the original site)
22:28 < kanzure> ah right, I was complaining about that with my transhumantech mirror
22:28 < fenn> you were trying to do something weird
22:28 < kanzure> -m for mirroring :)
22:28 < kanzure> well, yes, true
22:29 < ybit> [22:22] <fenn> -r shouldnt repetitively get the same file over and over unless there's a cyclic symlink
22:29 < ybit> huh
22:29 < ybit> wonder why it was doing over and over then
22:29 < kanzure> I think it's because index.html might link to itself or something ..
22:29 < kanzure> erm, wait
22:29 < kanzure> I mean, if index.html was not the .htaccess' index file.
22:29 < kanzure> but that shouldn't be the case there..
22:31 < ybit> welp, gots to run. i'll figure it out in the morn.
22:32 < ybit> and kanzure, i will read your never-ending response on the russian OS thread and get back with you
22:32 < ybit> ..tomorrow
22:32 < ybit> hold the fort down
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22:42 < kanzure> huh, so apparently I got into one of the servers
22:42 < kanzure> but I can't get output to confirm
22:42 < kanzure> where is the web directory on a solaris machine?
22:43 < kanzure> oh
22:43 < kanzure> IIS/6.0
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