--- Day changed Sun Feb 01 2009 00:24 < kanzure> genehacker: yes 00:24 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pipes.zip 00:24 < genehacker> SWEET 00:24 < kanzure> PeerInfinity: yes 00:24 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ 00:24 < genehacker> as threaded fittings that connect to plastic tubes 00:25 < kanzure> yes, I believe so 00:25 < kanzure> it's the ANSI tubing standards in that zip file that you want 00:25 < kanzure> if not, I have a book that I can share with you (it's sitting on top of this monitor at the moment) 00:25 < kanzure> "Process Pipe Drafting" 00:25 < kanzure> has a full appendix of all sorts of wacky standards 00:55 < fenn> enjoying reading alec's journal 00:55 < fenn> "topic: I need to be able to pull out my productivity rating and mash 00:55 < fenn> it up with keeping track of everything else I'm doing! " 00:57 < PeerInfinity> yay, the wiki actually loads this time :D 00:57 < PeerInfinity> I think I asked before, but the wiki was down... 00:58 < PeerInfinity> once again, congratulations on all the awesome work you're doing :D 01:03 < kanzure> huh, so 01:03 < kanzure> I was talking with Max More and friends tonight (it was his birthday), 01:03 < kanzure> Jon Lebkowsky was at the party- he's doing unptnt, Austin Commerce Exchange, Convergence, Plutopia, etc., - 01:03 < kanzure> and it turns out, GBN, the Stewart Brand / Lanier stuff, really *is* a front for the CIA 01:05 < PeerInfinity> there was also a party for Max More in SL today :) 01:05 < kanzure> yes, well, our party was better 01:05 < kanzure> he was handing out ecstasy 01:05 < PeerInfinity> I'm not surprised :) 01:06 < PeerInfinity> here's a log of the silly SL party: :P http://cosmeng.org/publicwiki/index.php/Chat_Logs/2009-01-31 01:06 < kanzure> anyway, Jon might be a potential funder of some of the stuff we do in here 01:06 < PeerInfinity> anyway, a quick analysis of the hplusroadmap wiki: 01:06 < PeerInfinity> 2111 pages on the OCE wiki 01:06 < PeerInfinity> 490 pages on the hplusroadmap wiki 01:06 < PeerInfinity> 5 pages on the OCE wiki that have the same name as a page on the hplusroadmap wiki: 01:06 < PeerInfinity> Graphviz 01:06 < PeerInfinity> Links 01:06 < PeerInfinity> Main Page 01:06 < kanzure> certainly in getting an Austin Fab Lab or superfablab 01:06 < PeerInfinity> OSCOMAK 01:06 < PeerInfinity> Politics 01:07 < PeerInfinity> do I have your permission to mirror the pages from the hplusroadmap wiki on the OCE wiki? :) 01:07 < kanzure> go ahead 01:07 < PeerInfinity> thanks :) 01:07 < kanzure> I'd like you to point links back to my server though, or something 01:08 < PeerInfinity> yes, I plan to :) 01:08 < PeerInfinity> you are now one of only three transhumanists I know of that have an IRC channel and a publicly editable wiki: there's SL4.org, there's cosmeng.org, and there's you :) 01:09 < PeerInfinity> three transhumanist groups* 01:10 < PeerInfinity> though the SL4 chatroom and wiki are kinda dead now... 01:10 < kanzure> wta has a wiki 01:10 < PeerInfinity> oh? I looked, and didn't find one... 01:10 < kanzure> don't know where it is though 01:11 < PeerInfinity> is this it? http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/wiki/Revamp/ 01:11 < kanzure> sounds like it 01:11 < fenn> kanzure: lanier isnt on the gbn page anywhere, how do you get that he is associated with it? 01:12 < PeerInfinity> bah, there's only a handful of pages, and it was last updated in June 2008 :P 01:14 < fenn> you might as well say RU sirius is working for the CIA (he probably has at some point) 01:15 < kanzure> http://360.monitor.com/ 01:15 < kanzure> hm, we were talking about RU Sirius and his recent post on RealitySandwhich 01:15 < kanzure> ooh, Jon, by the way, has stacks of Whole Earth Magazine copies, and is apparently helping some others publish them on the web for free :-) 01:19 < kanzure3> http://www.gbn.com/people/network.php Rob Carlson? 01:19 < kanzure3> K. Eric Drexler 01:19 < kanzure3> Freeman Dyson 01:20 < kanzure3> Engelbart .. Fukuyama .. Gibson .. Hillis .. Kevin Kelly .. aha, Jaron Lanier 01:20 < kanzure3> http://www.gbn.com/people/network.php?page_num=3&total_pages=5& 01:20 < kanzure3> http://www.gbn.com/people/peopledetail.php?id=15 01:21 < kanzure3> "President and founder, the Arlington Institute; specialist in national security issues; author, Out of the Blue: Wild Cards and Other Big Future Surprises and The Road to 2015" (for John Petersen) 01:21 < kanzure3> hah --- Log closed Sun Feb 01 01:21:58 2009 --- Log opened Sun Feb 01 01:30:11 2009 01:30 -!- kanzure3_ [i=bryan@66.112.232.233] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:30 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal] 01:30 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 6 secs 01:30 < kanzure3_> http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/01/29/waterpod-floating-eco-home/ from Eric Hunting 01:30 < kanzure> hm, Alec has been using 'emacs org mode' 01:31 < kanzure> anyone know what this is? 01:31 < fenn> http://orgmode.org/ 01:32 < kanzure> hm, an outliner. 01:32 -!- kanzure3 [i=bryan@66.112.232.233] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:32 < PeerInfinity> the hplusroadmap wiki is still down. I'm going to bed now, I'll check again tomorrow 01:33 < kanzure> odd, it loads for me :( 01:33 < PeerInfinity> I'm still getting that same error message 01:33 < PeerInfinity> I guess the problem could be at my end 01:33 < fenn> is there a way to merge two forks of a mediawiki? 01:33 < kanzure> hahah 01:33 < kanzure> no, but there might be a plugin 01:34 * fenn rolls eyes 01:34 < kanzure> I mean, they allow page-by-page merging or something 01:34 < fenn> that works, as long as it's fairly automated 01:34 < PeerInfinity> I would use Araxis Merge on an XML dump of the two wikis :) 01:34 < kanzure> I know they do that when there are two people editing at the same time 01:36 < PeerInfinity> or, if there are no conflicting page edits, you could just import the whole XML dump of one wiki into the other... 01:37 < kanzure> so I don't know if I believe this or not, but mom and I went out to dinner tonight, 01:37 < kanzure> and apparently, the old man she's living with now used to be in the CIA, working for Lockheed Martin 01:37 < PeerInfinity> oh, and it's not just the wiki that I can't connect to, I can't load any pages at heybryan.org 01:37 < kanzure> uh 01:37 < kanzure> I am still able to load the pages 01:38 < kanzure> can somebody else confirm? 01:38 < fenn> slow but works.. 01:39 < fenn> jeez aresnick's personal git repo is up to 335mb and still only 24% done 01:39 < kanzure> anyway, I've about had enough of this 'I might be rolling a startup' dealy- everyone that I have been talking with has been more than enthusiastic about "the scene" 01:39 < PeerInfinity> my ISP is kinda unreliable :P 01:39 < kanzure> so I just need to find somebody interested enough to dump some cash into this 01:39 < kanzure> David@Ponoko might be able to help with 'legitimacy' on that front 01:40 < kanzure> Jon knows Mr. O'Reilly himself (and everyone else, it seems), so there's that, .. 01:40 < PeerInfinity> random question: how many ideas did you submit to the Google 10^100 project? 01:40 < fenn> unrelated 01:40 < kanzure> unrelated? 01:40 < fenn> o'reilly is unrelated 01:40 < kanzure> to Make Magazine? 01:40 < fenn> blarg 01:40 < kanzure> huh? 01:40 < fenn> i didnt know o'reilly published make 01:41 < kanzure> wtf. yes :) 01:41 < kanzure> they have an iron grip over it. 01:41 < fenn> anyway isnt make the enemy? :) 01:41 < kanzure> yes :) 01:41 < kanzure> know thy enemy? 01:42 < kanzure> I think I need a better way to organize all of the people that are interested in going with this 'startup' 01:43 < kanzure> but on the other hand, I'd rather have it all public 01:43 < fenn> PeerInfinity: i ignored 10^100 because of the video submission requirement 01:43 < kanzure> but on the other hand, I don't want to flood the OM list 01:44 < kanzure> actually, why not. Chronciling my work on OM is just fine 01:44 < kanzure> what could be more relevant? 01:44 < fenn> indeed 01:44 < fenn> dont want to be accused of "not enough transparency" again :) 01:44 < kanzure> you know you're evil for being on IRC, right? 01:45 < kanzure> or something like that 01:45 * kanzure still wonders about Paul.. 01:45 < fenn> IRC is the den of hackers and criminals right? 01:45 < fenn> despite being plaintext and centralized etc 01:45 < fenn> silly hacker 01:45 < PeerInfinity> video submission requirement? I didn't think videos were required... 01:46 < kanzure> another individual approached me tonight asking about a public biohacking space in Austin 01:46 < kanzure> I certainly have the group arranged sort of, but no public space, or even garage 01:46 < fenn> if you have a group, someone's bound to have a garage 01:46 < kanzure> we're mostly college students 01:47 < kanzure> so we're also constrained by needing to have somebody within the Austin Metro bus route distance 01:47 < kanzure> actlab is probably going to have to be it 01:47 < kanzure> not that I'm trying to impose on them or anything 01:47 < fenn> i think you should impose the hell out of them 01:48 < fenn> i mean what else are they doing? goth costumes? 01:48 < kanzure> I guess. what else are they doing? dancing? 01:48 < kanzure> heh 01:48 < kanzure> are we all just clones of each other? 01:49 < fenn> cultural saturation 01:49 < kanzure> that's bad, right? 01:49 < fenn> um, and alec appears to be my genetic clone, fwiw 01:49 < kanzure> genetic? 01:49 < PeerInfinity> goodnight 01:49 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [] 01:49 < kanzure> he's an emacs user, so ;-) 01:49 < fenn> meh 01:50 < fenn> we're all at least 47th cousins 01:50 < kanzure> so I was interacting with another machine shop the other day 01:50 < kanzure> down below the engineering science building. 01:50 < kanzure> and it's like they are the "mole men" 01:51 < kanzure> I was talking with one of the machinists / journeymen, 01:51 < kanzure> and it's just odd. these are the guys maintaining the beating heart of technical civilization, 01:51 < kanzure> and they seem to be rather clueless 01:51 < kanzure> or "slow" 01:51 < kanzure> I don't know how to put it 01:51 < kanzure> they're not stupid, really, but there's something weird going on there 01:51 < fenn> one moment while i think of the word.. 01:52 < fenn> starts with an M and sounds sort of like "moloch" or "mordok" or something 01:52 < kanzure> is it a word I know? 01:53 < fenn> probably not 01:54 * fenn shakes fist at google's lack of regex 01:54 < kanzure> I'm about to head off to bed 01:54 < kanzure> were you offering to write up the list of tools for inventory.html ? 01:54 < kanzure> erm, comparison.html 01:54 < kanzure> in some semi-standard/comparable manner 01:54 < fenn> morlock 01:55 < kanzure> ah, the Wells under-the-ground people? 01:56 < fenn> well, goodnight 01:56 < kanzure> haruhi first. 01:56 < fenn> will poke at inventory list a bit 02:44 < kanzure> "less IP, more API." 02:56 < genehacker> whoa 02:56 < genehacker> I am running 68 tabs 02:56 < genehacker> no noticeable slowdown 03:35 < genehacker> How's haruhi going? 03:35 < genehacker> shit 09:21 < fenn> going through fablab inventory bit by bit i see some strange things 09:21 < fenn> for example, 20 pairs of tweezers and one soldering station 09:22 < fenn> for the most part it's pretty good though 09:23 < fenn> seems they are trying to reduce the number of different components 09:30 < kanzure> so I guess if I ever want to be a jerk, I'll show up to a fablab and ask to see the tweezers 09:43 < fenn> my guess is that this inventory doesn't represent the actual set of tools that are present in any given fablab 09:44 < fenn> its more like "dont forget to order this stuff, unless you cant afford it" 09:59 < kanzure> I should add shapeways and ponoko to that comparison page 10:13 < fenn> will be easy to add more once i have an ontology thrashed out 10:14 < fenn> fablab is taking forever to reduce 10:14 < kanzure> ambiguity? 10:15 < fenn> number of different components 10:35 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:37 < kanzure3_> http://www.vimeo.com/1081680 visualizations of commits to various open source projects 10:52 < fenn> hmmm should i delete the books section? 10:52 < kanzure> stuff into another file? 10:52 < fenn> must admit i dont really understand what books are for 10:52 < kanzure> because they are too lazy to do their own documentation, is my guess 10:53 < fenn> well me too, but i dont have a bunch of technical books lying around 10:53 * kanzure raises his hand and points at the stacks and stacks of textbooks 10:54 < fenn> some of the books they list don't have internet-available equivalents 10:54 < fenn> "Precision Machine Design", Alexander Slocum 10:55 < fenn> "Handbook of Modern Sensors: Physics, Designs and Applications" 10:55 < fenn> i guess that's all 11:09 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:12 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:14 < fenn> getting .. somewhere http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/comparison.html;hb=master 11:26 < kanzure> I can't tell what's different 11:29 < fenn> not done yet 11:29 < fenn> emachineshop is machines now instead of processes 11:29 < fenn> fablab is condensed about 10x 11:29 < fenn> looks like crap because there's no
's 11:34 * fenn mumbles something about engelbart 11:34 < kanzure> mice? 11:34 < fenn> zooming text interface 11:34 < fenn> you've seen the NLS demo right? 11:34 < kanzure> do you remember the zooming typing demo? 11:34 < kanzure> blah 11:35 < kanzure> the one where you use your mouse to point to the next letter in the sentence that you are typing 11:35 < kanzure> and it's kind of fractaly 11:35 < fenn> so i'd have something like and it would expand to show several sets, which i could then further expand to show details for each one 11:36 < fenn> instead of either something too simple or too detailed 11:36 < fenn> there's probably some javascrap i could use if only i knew where 11:37 < kanzure> opera has XML support, allows collapsible elements 11:37 < kanzure> if that's what you mean 11:38 < fenn> blah i'll just pretend it's yaml 11:38 < kanzure> How does that help? 11:39 < fenn> then i can print various levels of detail 11:39 < fenn> as html 11:39 < fenn> its not very dynamic 11:39 < fenn> but if i figure out a better way i already have it in "living" code objects 11:39 < fenn> know what i mean? 11:40 < kanzure> somewhat. 11:40 < fenn> this is not just a tree, it's a set of linked trees 11:41 < fenn> so i cant use any old tree code out there 11:42 < fenn> have you ever used xanadu? 11:42 < kanzure> actually, no 11:42 < kanzure> I've watched many videos on some of the xanadu stuff, lots of Ted Nelson, 11:42 < kanzure> but I've never actually used xanadu 12:15 < kanzure> wonder why Kim never did respond to my request for dimensions for the gel box imager she wanted.. 12:30 < PeerInfinity> so, um, kanzure, are you Bryan? 12:33 < kanzure> yes 12:33 < kanzure> why? 12:41 < PeerInfinity> in #cosmeng, we're currently discussing Giulio's plans to set up a science conference in ScienceSim. We think you would make a good speaker :) 12:51 < fenn> hm i figured "git mv" would keep all the old revision history in the new file :( 12:55 < fenn> oh it has to be committed without modification 13:00 < kanzure3_> guess it's just looking for the same hash/signature 13:09 < fenn> wow i successfully fixed my buggered rename operation 13:13 < fenn> apparently it doesnt have to be 100% exactly the same file contents, but i changed 91% of the lines.. 13:39 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:39 < kanzure3_> I don't see how you plan to unite the ontologies there 13:39 < kanzure3_> I guess that's why you're doing it then 13:40 < kanzure3_> I was originally thinking that I'd just have to make a full list of everything, and then make a grid/table and do a checkmark when a shop has that item/component 13:41 < fenn> you'd just end up with a bunch of checks in only one column 13:42 < fenn> from what i hear, techshop really doesn't have much that isn't listed, like toolbits or pencils or whatever 13:42 < fenn> which is really a pain in the ass in practice 13:42 < kanzure3_> http://forgemil.com/ 13:42 < kanzure3_> that's odd. 13:43 < fenn> well people dont know wha they're doing so they break all the breakable bits :) 13:43 < fenn> gforge for military! 100x not exactly the same thing 13:44 < fenn> god why is everyone so stupid 13:44 * fenn shakes fist at sky 15:38 < bkero> Heh techshop 15:38 < bkero> The most vanilla of the hacking centres. 16:13 < genehacker> hey kanzure you wouldn't happen to know if there are any hacking centers around here? 16:15 < kanzure> there's some "open space" for sitting around typing on a computer, but that's about it 16:16 < kanzure> basically, if anyone was going to start it around here, it would have to be you or me it seems 16:16 < kanzure> actlab has expressed interest in hosting the equipment 16:16 < kanzure> and the fablab people just need me to write a check to get the equipment shipped and rolling 16:19 < fenn> are there people interested in it besides you and gene? 16:19 < kanzure> yes 16:19 < kanzure> but I seem to be the only one wanting to take the lead on getting it happening 16:20 < kanzure> I mean, the others are saying things like "gee, golly, that would be amazing and awesome. when will you you get it going?" 16:20 < kanzure> yesterday there was more expressed interest in a diybio-lab (which I found odd), at the event I went to 16:21 < kanzure> genehacker: btw, some of us are going to the next Robot Group meeting, Thursday 7:30 to 10 pm. You want to come? 16:21 < genehacker> maybe 16:21 < kanzure> somebody from the Singularity Institute is living just down the street for about 6 months, so I've been trying to get him out and about on the Austin scene 16:21 < genehacker> need to see how my hw turns out 16:21 < genehacker> heh 16:23 < kanzure> technically, even my mom has a better shop than me at this point 16:23 < kanzure> her woodworking shop is in the middle of nowhere though 16:24 < kanzure> bringing up the subject at the labs and with some others has brought up questions like "What's wrong with the machine shops on campus?" which I guess is kind of missing the point 16:26 < fenn> maybe 16:26 < fenn> looking at the fablab inventory.. it's mostly electronic components and consumables 16:28 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/comparison.yaml;h=1b79fd9ec4a0d47924e0998c073b551d38f65927 16:28 < fenn> i guarantee 95% of that won't be in a campus machine shop 16:29 < fenn> (and they wont let you play with it anyway) 16:30 < genehacker> hey kanzure, I'm wood shop certified now 16:30 < kanzure> wood shop? 16:31 < kanzure> fenn: git pull skdb.git tells me that I'm already up to date, without having inventory/ 16:31 < kanzure> any thoughts on that? 16:31 < genehacker> yeah ME building has one 16:31 < fenn> try git:// 16:31 < genehacker> it's interesting too 16:32 < kanzure> fenn: worked. 16:32 < fenn> i need to do update-server-info to add refs for the new files or mumble mumble 16:32 < genehacker> it's open to the air so you can throw saw dust out onto unsuspecting bypassers 16:32 < fenn> (for http) 16:32 < fenn> i dont understand why it doesnt do it automatically 16:32 < genehacker> but fenn, we have all that, just not in one place 16:32 < kanzure> genehacker: check that link. 16:33 < genehacker> I did 16:33 < fenn> we all have what? 16:33 < genehacker> maybe not a shopbot though 16:34 < kanzure> yay "goo squirter" 16:35 < genehacker> I'm printing a reprap on it 16:35 < genehacker> damn, we don't have an SST 16:35 < fenn> SST = reprap more or less 16:35 < genehacker> we have a BST 16:36 < genehacker> SST, soluble support technolgy 16:36 < genehacker> BST breakaway support 16:36 < genehacker> SST is more capable 16:36 < fenn> why dont they use wax? 16:36 < fenn> meltable support 16:37 < fenn> what does SST use as the support material anyway? 16:37 < genehacker> plastic comes out too hot 16:38 < genehacker> Proprietary goop, that dissolves in NaOH solution 16:38 < genehacker> some weird hard to get compound 16:39 < fenn> i can't believe they actually put the price right on the top of the page 16:39 < genehacker> of what? 16:40 < fenn> of all the stratasys printers 16:40 < fenn> The New uPrint™ Personal 3D Printer Only $14,900* USD 16:41 < fenn> instead of "call us for a quote if you think you're worthy" 16:41 < genehacker> wow 16:44 < kanzure> wonder if I can get the diybio people to come up with a tool list for their dream wetlab (wait, what?) 16:45 < kanzure> and then do some simple "solved by" relations. just because I'm bored. 16:47 < genehacker> Damn I don't know if we have ECM, EDM, coil winder, or coil winder, photochemical milling machine 16:47 < kanzure> photochemical milling? 16:47 < kanzure> that's not lithography? 16:48 < kanzure> it would be chemical + rotating metal? 16:49 < fenn> photochemical milling = photosensitive mask + etch tank 16:49 < fenn> like circuit boards basically, but with plain sheetmetal 16:50 < genehacker> yeah I know 16:50 < genehacker> it's quite awesome 16:52 < genehacker> makes detailed parts 16:53 < genehacker> http://www.ferret.com.au/odin/images/169243/Chemically-Etched-Precision-Parts-169243.jpg 16:53 < fenn> watch gears 16:54 < fenn> amazing thing is you can do it with a laser printer 16:55 < genehacker> really? 16:56 < genehacker> How? 16:56 < genehacker> with a lense? 16:56 < fenn> just like circuit boards 16:56 < fenn> toner transfer 16:59 < genehacker> watch gears via toner transfer? 16:59 < genehacker> they can't be that accurate can they?? 17:00 < fenn> 1200dpi.. probably not 17:01 < fenn> depends on the watch i guess 17:02 < genehacker> I'd think one would need some optics to reduce the size so that any blots are reduced 17:03 < kanzure> hm, so have the programmer demigods found a solution yet to retrieving some data in RAM when your browser freezes? 17:03 < kanzure> I guess I can cat /dev/ram or whatever, and then search for the text I was looking for 17:03 < kanzure> is that going to work? 17:04 < fenn> eek 17:05 < kanzure> weird, konqueror too now. 17:06 < fenn> oh this is a repeatable debugging thing, not "i need to get some data out of my ram before it disappears" 17:06 < kanzure> no 17:06 < fenn> try strace 17:07 < genehacker> http://www.physorg.com/news152723712.html 17:07 < genehacker> WTF, srsly 17:07 < kanzure> woah weird 17:07 < kanzure> strace -p and it's just doing random gettimeofday() calls 17:08 < kanzure> of increasing value. 17:08 < genehacker> POWER ON SELF-TEST 17:12 < kanzure3_> http://groups.google.com/group/opera.linux/browse_thread/thread/255e0a8402ee6260 17:12 < kanzure3_> "Opera 9.63 ends up in a tight loop calling gettimeofday() after pressing OK in an "accept SSL certificate" dialogue box" 17:23 < kanzure> strings /dev/mem | grep -b ponoko 17:24 < kanzure> 13690476, 11027149, 12425017, 13690476, 15208152 <-- what do I do with this? 17:24 < kanzure> is there a way for me to disregard the first xyz bytes of input? also, it's annoying that each keystroke changes the offset 17:25 < kanzure> (or, well, I guess it doesn't necessarily change the offset) 17:28 < kanzure> strings /dev/mem/ | grep --before-context=5 --after-context=5 "shapeways," 17:28 < kanzure> yay, it worked. 17:31 < fenn> /dev/mem is all memory including swapped pages, or just in ram? 17:31 < kanzure> oh wait, no it didn't. I had a bit more content than that. How unfortunate. I killed opera after thinking I recovered everything. 17:31 < fenn> seems like it would go into infinite recursion 17:31 < kanzure3_> http://www.hackszine.com/blog/archive/2008/03/recover_data_from_ram_after_a.html 17:32 < kanzure3_> "If you immediately dump the entire contents of RAM to disk before starting another large process, chances are good you can find your data again." 17:33 < kanzure> no, swap isn't included 17:33 < fenn> note that dumping to disk and grepping the dump is quite different from grepping the live ram stream 17:33 < kanzure> how so? 17:33 < kanzure> I mean, other than one way being a better idea than the other 17:34 < fenn> if grep allocates itself at the end of the stream then half of what you're grepping is grep's image 17:34 < kanzure> wonder if there's a built in mechanism to prevent that 17:35 < fenn> ok i have no idea how much memory grep uses 17:38 < fenn> now what i really want to know is wtf does makezine have to do with that 17:43 < kanzure> hackszine? 17:48 < kanzure3_> oh. "Hackszine fans and readers, the Hackszine site is moving to a section of MAKE soon http://blog.makezine.com/archive/hacks/ - we're doing *a lot* of site updates on MAKE and this is the easiest way for us to do this and still keep the hacks content flowing. If you read hackszine via RSS you might not notice, but if something odd happens please let us know." 17:50 < kanzure3_> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces 17:50 < kanzure3_> heh, actlab is listed 17:51 < kanzure3_> http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-os/ "a basic software package for hackerspaces and similiar organizations." 17:53 < kanzure3_> http://houstonhackerspace.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 18:05 < kanzure3_> wonder why no fablab, techshop, or menshed is on that list. 18:17 < genehacker> huh the superbowl is going on 19:32 < genehacker> yeah it is 19:32 < genehacker> oops 19:47 < genehacker> hey kanzure I just made the bifurcation! 19:53 < procto> kanzure3_: the list of hacker spaces? 19:53 < kanzure> procto: hm? 19:53 < kanzure> genehacker: pic or it didn't happen 19:53 < procto> hackerspaces usually are about having a shared ownership of a sort of coworking third space 19:53 < genehacker> ok 19:53 < kanzure> procto: you should post that. 19:53 < kanzure> procto: there are some of them though that are different 19:53 < procto> kanzure: you asked why fablab, techshop etc. weren't mentioned on a list 19:54 < kanzure> for instance, nycresistor is listed 19:54 < kanzure> and actlab is listed 19:54 < kanzure> actlab is hardly shared ownership 19:54 < kanzure> oh, I see what you mean 19:54 < procto> I need to visit willoughby and baltic 19:54 < procto> the issue is that for it to be truly a hackerspace you need a variety of people "in residence" 19:55 < procto> as opposed to custodians who may also be doing a lot of work in the space 19:55 < procto> it's a very thin difference 19:55 < procto> and I'm not sure about the specific natures of nycresistor and actlab 19:55 < genehacker> how do I save a screenshot kanzure? 19:55 < procto> but I def wouldn't put most fablabs on a list of hackerspaces 19:55 < procto> genehacker: what OS/ 19:55 < procto> ? 19:55 < genehacker> winblows vista 19:55 < kanzure> ugh 19:55 < kanzure> no, no screenshot, 19:55 < kanzure> just send the CAD data.. 19:55 < genehacker> yes it sucks 19:55 < kanzure> but for the recors 19:56 < kanzure> *records 19:56 < kanzure> *record 19:56 < kanzure> it's PRNTSCRN -> MSPAINT 19:56 < genehacker> how about gimp 19:56 < genehacker> that's what I though 19:56 < kanzure> procto: "in residence" ? oh? 20:03 < genehacker> sent kanzure 20:03 < genehacker> need to add bolt circle? 20:03 < genehacker> you think I should be conservative with the acrylic or not worry about it? 20:03 < kanzure> hm 20:04 < kanzure> I still think total surface area should be kept to a maximum of whatever the hell you could personally carry at most 20:04 < genehacker> Well I have a problem 20:05 < genehacker> I don't know how I can get a nice seal on than baby 20:05 < kanzure> adhesives? 20:05 < genehacker> How about a big damn O-ring 20:06 < kanzure> multiple holes I guess 20:06 < genehacker> that's what I'm thinking big damn O-ring held in place with a large bolt circle going around it 20:06 < genehacker> I don't think I can get 2 more filters done by tomorrow 20:07 < genehacker> at least 2 of the spiral type 20:07 < kanzure> if this was scripted it wouldn't be an issue. 20:09 < genehacker> hmmm... 20:09 < genehacker> the diameter's currently 6.5 inches 20:10 < genehacker> screw conservatism 20:10 < genehacker> we got plenty of acrylic 20:12 < genehacker> yeah 20:12 < genehacker> we are probably going to use adhesive 20:14 < genehacker> pick a good boltsize kanzure 20:15 < kanzure> hm. 20:15 < kanzure> criteria for goodness? 20:20 < genehacker> bolt must be longer than 0.5 inches 20:20 < genehacker> preferably cheap and rust resistant 20:20 < genehacker> 1/8 inch diameter sounds good to me 20:22 < genehacker> we don't want anything fancy right? 20:23 < genehacker> should we go for threaded? or can the CNC machine even do that? 20:24 < kanzure> well that's a good question, I tried to ask the machinist those types of questions 20:24 < kanzure> like what the capabilities would be 20:24 < kanzure> and he didn't seem to understand what it was that I was assking 20:24 < kanzure> *asking 20:24 < kanzure> I'm not even sure if they *have* a CNC machine available.. it seemed like he thought that I'd draw something, and he'd make 20:24 < kanzure> but hopefully that was just an impression. we'll see. 20:25 < genehacker> when did you talk to him 20:25 < kanzure> Friday 20:25 < genehacker> oh 20:25 < genehacker> I was a bit busy that day 20:27 < kanzure3_> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/bifurcation.jpg 20:28 < genehacker> putting on holes for bolts 20:28 < genehacker> and a annular trench 20:29 < genehacker> for an o-ring 21:20 < kanzure> so my 12 year old sister calls me 21:20 < kanzure> her windows installation is screwed up with all sorts of trojans and viruses 21:21 < kanzure> so I'm going through the typical spiel: adaware, spybot, don't click that link it looks suspicous, why not linux "oh god linux oh teh noes, she's 12! think of the children!" "uh, I was 12 too.." anyway. 21:21 < kanzure> one of these days I'm going to stop offering free Windows support.. 21:23 < genehacker> going to send you the cover 21:40 < kanzure3_> http://sixuntilme.com/blog-mt2/blog_images/2008April/self_made_man_sum.jpg "self made man" in legos 21:40 < kanzure3_> bwahah 21:58 < kanzure3_> http://unptnt.com/projects/3 don't know why David Rauchwerk and I aren't hanging out more 23:13 < kanzure> huh 23:13 < kanzure> so apparently I'm the webmaster of a Journal 23:22 < kanzure3_> http://meta.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/16/077233 <- should include this in the inventory stuff eventually. /me adds it 23:26 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [] 23:59 < kanzure> genehacker: around? 23:59 < kanzure> are you able to do lunch on Wednesday sometime before 2 pm?