--- Day changed Mon Feb 02 2009
00:00 < genehacker> yeah
00:00 < genehacker> let me check
00:00 < kanzure> the unptnt guy (Dave) and I are doing lunch
00:00 < genehacker> yeah sure
00:00 < genehacker> 12-1
00:01 < genehacker> lunch where?
00:01 < kanzure> somewhere within walking distance
00:01 < genehacker> ok
00:03 < kanzure> alright, great
00:14 < kanzure> wait, what? isn't that my lab meeting time?
00:14 < kanzure> hm, 10 to 12:30. no way that undergrad is going to fill up that time.
00:16 < genehacker> lab meeting for?
00:16 < kanzure> ADL
00:16 < genehacker> of course
00:27 < kanzure> genehacker: what is noodlehouse?
00:27 < genehacker> I don't know
00:28 < kanzure> 2602 Guadalupe 
00:28 < kanzure> okay, two blocks up from where I am, past dean keeton
00:29 < genehacker> Hmmm... I'll have to check how long it takes em to get down there
00:30 < kanzure> five minutes.
00:30 < genehacker> from my other class
00:31 < kanzure3_> http://www.hektor.ch/ ?
00:32 < kanzure3_> ex: http://www.hektor.ch/Work/Hektor+Meets+Dexter+Sinister/DSC_0337.jpg
00:32 < kanzure3_> seems to be a weird whiteboard bot
00:32 < genehacker> holy cow
00:33 < genehacker> how they get the control that good
00:33 < genehacker> *did
00:33 < kanzure> guess we find out Wednesday at noon
00:33 < genehacker> that's who's coming?
00:33 < kanzure> no
00:34 < kanzure> but the guy is doing a kit for a 'whiteboard bot'
00:34 < kanzure> the guy (Dave) is doing http://unptnt.com/ 
00:34 < kanzure> do you remember him from dorkbot?
00:34 < genehacker> yeah
03:18 < Utopiah> http://www.onlinedocumentaries4u.com/2009/02/homo-futurus.html
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05:56 < wrldpc> http://www.hektor.ch/Work/Hektor+Meets+Dexter+Sinister/DSC_0337.jpg
07:27 < fenn> techshop has way more stuff than their website lets on
07:27 < fenn> i bet nobody even knows what all is there
07:32 < fenn> perhaps i should add this as a separate entry http://techshopdurham.com/equipment
07:33 < fenn> oh that's a wishlist nm
08:59 < kanzure3_> "The London Ultrasound Centre in the UK offers the ability to take a 3D scan of your offspring - before birth - and produce a 3D print of the child."
09:00 < kanzure3_> "You might think you can't seriously print an entire boat with current 3D printing tech, but Robotboat thinks otherwise. Their ingenious plan: print miniature robotically controlled boats! 
09:00 < kanzure3_> Robotboat is a startup company intending on producing "advanced robotic boats for the global oceanographic surveillance market". They intend on using 3D printing to rapidly produce unique hull and sail shapes."
09:00 < kanzure3_> http://robotboat.blogspot.com/
09:00 < kanzure3_> "Recently we developed some more sophisticated manufacturing techniques for the boat. The most exciting of these is the use of 3D printing to make the hulls and sails. This new manufacturing technique allows us to also "print in" the major elements of the control actuators (sail and rudder). The values of this are lower manufacturing costs and better performance."
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09:26 < kanzure3_> "Marshall Brain added you as a friend on Facebook.."
09:26 < kanzure3_> wtf?
09:29 < fenn> heh
09:29 < fenn> tell me when edge.org sends you an invitation :P
09:30 < fenn> please promise you wont publish marc fawzi in the abundance journal
09:30 < kanzure> I know I know I know
09:30 < kanzure> I told Joseph that we all know Marc is a troll, and he seems to be ok about being cautious
09:30 < kanzure> Samantha Atkins went running to the cosmic-engineers list saying "they are focusing too much on silly economics too early"
09:31 < fenn> waaah
09:31 < kanzure> and if edge.org ever sends me an invitation, I'll just proxy Eric Hunting.
09:32 < fenn> i like robotboat's design
09:47 < kanzure> hm, we might be getting abundancestudies.org
09:52 < fenn> hmm @ making a stick-on version of these: http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/product_info.php/products_id/1687
09:53 < fenn> $12k is a bit much for most people i bet
09:53 < kanzure3_> where in the hell are they pulling *that* price from?
09:53 < fenn> and the hole in the middl is sorta pointless
09:53 < kanzure3_> "26x10 Package with tires ($16,050.00"
09:58 < fenn> could do parasitic power by placing a magnet on a stick next to the wheel, which has coils that pass by the magnet
10:05 < fenn> $10 laptop: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article5639463.ece
10:06 < fenn> with an 80 character e-ink display it would be totally doable
10:07 < fenn> segment display instead of pixels
10:53 < kanzure3_> "Pipe Viewer or pv for short. Pipe viewer is a terminal-based tool for monitoring the progress of data through a pipeline. It can be inserted into any normal pipeline between two processes to give a visual indication of how quickly data is passing through, how long it has taken, how near to completion it is, and an estimate of how long it will be until completion."
10:53 < kanzure3_> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/unix-utilities-pipe-viewer/
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11:41 < kanzure> oh wait. Eric works for a publishing company.
11:47 < fenn> Most software today is very much like an Egyptian pyramid with millions of bricks piled on top of each other, with no structural integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves.
11:52 < kanzure3_> yay vern
11:52 < kanzure3_> I researched and wrote about this very topic, starting with an idea I touched on for the "Appetizer" column in the August 2007 issue of SERVO magazine. The article was entitled "Recovering our Technical Literacy" and in it I first mentioned a concept I called "Habitat For Hobbies":
11:52 < kanzure3_> http://www.notepad.org/RecoveringOurTechnicalLiteracy.pdf
11:52 < kanzure3_> The idea was that all hobbies need a place to "live". For the electronics hobbyist, this "habitat" is the workbench. This lead to a two-part series of articles published in Nuts and Volts magazine. The first was published in June of 2008:
11:52 < kanzure3_> http://www.notepad.org/HabitatForHobbies-PT1.pdf
11:52 < kanzure3_> This article introduced the concept, went over some details and closed with a challenge. I asked users to submit their ideas for all the equipment needed to transform an empty table into a electronic hobbyist workbench -- BUT -- the kicker was to do it all for $100 or less!. I got lots of great responses that I detailed in my September 2008 column:
11:52 < kanzure3_> http://www.notepad.org/HabitatForHobbies-PT2.pdf
11:52 < kanzure3_> I then posted the winning proposals and all the additional entries on the Nuts and Volts online forum here:
11:52 < kanzure3_> http://forum.servomagazine.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8370
11:52 < kanzure3_> This topic actually received a nice comment from none other than the
11:52 < kanzure3_> famous Forrest M. Mims III himself!
11:53 < kanzure3_> http://forum.servomagazine.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8370#p61169
11:55 < kanzure3_> http://www.notepad.org/wbc/1st-Place-AndrewAyers.pdf "Early in the process of selecting items, I decided to base my purchasing decisions toward the goal of stocking an entry-
11:55 < kanzure3_> level robotics and industrial automation workbench
11:55 < kanzure3_> "
12:01 < kanzure3_> http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-February/011649.html
12:13 < fenn> the second place entry is much more realistic (jess lewis)
12:14 < fenn> substituting the individual components in 1st place entry for the grab bags though
12:14 < fenn> grab bags are always crap that nobody wants
12:17 < kanzure> I keep pushing the whitespace in the PDF where there should be a "buy" button next to these kits/lists, but nothing's happening :(
12:17 < kanzure> guess I should file a bug report
12:17 < fenn> bug!
12:17 < fenn> more like feature request :)
12:18 < fenn> its too bad "starter kits" always suck so hard
12:18 < kanzure> what's up with those anyway?
12:18 < kanzure> we've all had them - from crap radioshack stuff, to other starter kits and many still being sold today
12:18 < kanzure> but they are never really all that high quality or interesting overall
12:23 < fenn> this is kinda neat (and the other kits they sell) W0QQitemZ110343747884QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4663QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:23 < fenn> oops
12:23 < fenn> http://search.ebay.com/110343747884
12:24 < fenn> needs some red led's too though..
12:25 < kanzure3_> was there anything wrong with PikPack?
12:25 < kanzure3_> the standard.
12:25 < fenn> and capacitors
12:25  * fenn looks
12:25 < fenn> what is pikpack?
12:25 < kanzure3_> pinpack
12:25 < kanzure3_> http://archives.si2.org/si2_publications/pinpak
12:25 < kanzure3_> http://archives.si2.org/si2_publications/
12:25 < fenn> oh
12:26 < kanzure3_> sample: http://archives.si2.org/si2_publications/pinpak/SampleInstances/KM736.xml
12:26 < fenn> um.. nobody uses it?
12:26 < kanzure3_> :p other than that though?
12:27 < fenn> the only thing i remember is wishing that they could convey the whole datasheet in xml
12:28 < kanzure3_> that's what pinpack seems to be for.
12:28 < fenn> no its just pin names/functions and package shape 
12:29 < fenn> which is good enough for EDA so i'm not complaining
12:29 < kanzure3_> thought I saw voltage info per each pin
12:30 < kanzure3_> <pin id= num= dir= pol= type=data name=
12:31 < kanzure3_> so the pdf for that example (the datasheet) is http://archives.si2.org/si2_publications/pinpak/Parts/Samsung_KM736V687A/KM736V687A.pdf
12:32 < kanzure3_> on pg 5 there's "absolute maximum ratings" and "operating conditions" - this needs to be encoded in pinpack.
12:32 < fenn> huh that ebay guy is in austin
12:35 < fenn> "typical" values would be a lot more helpful than absolute maximums
12:36 < fenn> but you might as well do all if any
12:37 < fenn> all those timing diagrams at the end are the important bit
12:38 < kanzure> um, if I take the standard deviation of a dataset, and the standard deviation is higher than the average *and* it's higher than any of the other values, have I done something wrong?
12:39 < fenn> no
12:39 < fenn> standard deviation is the spread in the data
12:40 < fenn> so if you have +5 and -5 you'll get standard deviation of .. about 7 i guess
12:41 < kanzure3_> "Just wondering, because the biotech cooperative I am building is going live soon.  The lawyers are doing their thing, got a web development group making pages, and have been pulling together a board.  It should integrate with iGEM/DIY well, but if there was some more concrete way for you to be involved, I would like to facilitate that."
12:42 < fenn> in my example it would be 5
12:42 < fenn> not 7
12:43 < fenn> lawyers? biotech cooperative?
12:44 < kanzure3_> Andrew Hessel's "one-to-one battles with cancer" open source biology thingy
12:44 < kanzure3_> http://pinkarmy.org/ "PinkArmy is the working name of an open source biology project based in Canada that is taking aim at breast cancer therapeutic development. The goal of the project is to create personalized medicines that are safe, effective, and affordable. We expect to be fully active in 2008. For more information, please email: info@pinkarmy.org"
12:46 < fenn> people are dying, we need some lawyers, quick!
12:46 < kanzure> he's fairly serious about all this
12:46 < kanzure> he has some big funding from the breast cancer societies
12:46 < kanzure> he wants to get at least one person "through the pipeline"
12:46 < fenn> as in, productive and actually doing something?
12:46 < kanzure> *nod*
12:47 < kanzure> he's also willing to pick up and move to another country that would be happy to have a first class biotech startup
12:47 < kanzure> (he's already in Canada, but traveling abouts)
12:47  * fenn suggests somewhere with a decent climate
12:48 < kanzure> turns out Andrew was looking into a position back at Ellington's lab, "Bryan! You should go talk to Dr. Ellington back in Austin!" ".. uh, I'm already employed with him."
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13:00 < kanzure> so in the last 24 hours: became an editor(?) of a journal of abundance, met a possible angel investor, might have been stalked by the CIA (?), and may or may not have an interesting way of killing cancer
13:00 < kanzure> ok, neat. this is starting to feel like a college anime story.
13:00  * kanzure has to get down to turn in a timeslip to get paycheck..
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16:37 < kanzure3_> http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/Products-and-Services/Applications/Nucleic-Acid-Purification-and-Analysis/Nucleic-Acid-Gel-Electrophoresis/nucleic_acid_gel_electrophoresis/DNA-Band-Extraction.html
16:37 < kanzure3_> What's that about? It looks like it's a mechanical doo-hickey to cut out a slice from a gel, but it says "recover your DNA without purification" (i.e., without spinning down your gel)
16:37 < kanzure3_> ". To extract your DNA band of interest without gel purification, simply load your sample into the top row and electrophorese until your band moves into the second row of wells. Then use a pipette to easily remove your purified DNA band."
16:38 < kanzure3_> hm, a video is there.
16:39 < kanzure3_> oh, they want you to make a second row for pipetting the results at the end
16:39 < kanzure3_> but that means that it's assuming that all of your dna will arrive there at the same time
16:42 < bkero> and you need to electrophorese until you get to the well
16:43 < bkero> You might need to run the gel longer/shorter. :/
16:43 < kanzure3_> hrm.
16:43 < kanzure3_> well, there's probably a few tricks you can do to have it alert you for each band or something
16:43 < kanzure3_> but another idea might be to have it multi-channeled so that it's already in separate slices of gel
16:43 < kanzure3_> and these slices get different voltages or whatever
16:44 < kanzure3_> so that you can kick it up near the end if you're getting bored of waiting for bad results that you still need to have
16:44 < bkero> lol
16:44 < kanzure3_> little timer going "ding" for when it hits the right spot heh'
16:44  * bkero thought voltage variations would pollute the result.
16:44 < kanzure3_> if you know the if that DNA slice sucks already..
16:45 < kanzure3_> *if you know that that gel slice sucks already..
16:45 < bkero> But you're still adding entropy to an otherwise shitty run
16:45 < kanzure3_> ok, screw you. I have a better idea,
16:45 < bkero> Heh
16:45 < kanzure3_> automatic pipetting arm that will grab it when it hits the open hole
16:45 < kanzure3_> rawr
16:45 < bkero> You trying to automate gel runs?
16:46 < kanzure3_> No, that link comes from the diybio list.
16:46 < kanzure3_> Somebody suggested it for the open hardware gel box designs
16:46 < kanzure3_> (I guess the comb would be part of the design)
16:46 < kanzure3_> too bad you can't just make tiny grooves at the bottom of the gel plate for the dna to run off into
16:47 < kanzure3_> and then a timer to record when it happened in comparison (to get the information) - although this doesn't work for those gels which need to be running for a longer time
16:47 < kanzure3_> blah.
16:48 < bkero> Not a bad idea.
16:48 < kanzure3_> No, it needs to remain running - it's logarithmic anyway.
16:48 < kanzure3_> so the longer it runs, the more accurate the distances between the DNA runs.
16:49 < kanzure3_> so if you just have a time log, you're only extracting what it was showing up to that point in terms of "average speed", which isn't necessarily what the final average speed was going to be
16:49 < bkero> It'd be nice to hook up a microcontroller and do some polling as the DNA crawled across the gel.
16:50 < kanzure3_> DNAlogger with an arduinio :p
16:50 < kanzure3_> *arduino
16:50 < kanzure3_> no more visual analysis of results *heaven*
16:50 < bkero> I was thinking something with slightly higher resolution.  Say, a webcam with python and some image analysis software.
16:51 < kanzure3_> webcam with the right photo filter to see the stain.
16:51 < kanzure3_> (if not visual spectrum nasty ethidium bromide)
16:51 < genehacker> different colored LEDs
16:51 < bkero> With basically any stains and the right color agar, you should be able to dither it to 2-bit very easily.
16:51 < kanzure3_> genehacker: Hm?
16:51 < kanzure3_> bkero: What? 
16:51 < kanzure3_> shadows?
16:51 < genehacker> LEDs
16:52 < kanzure3_> genehacker: Why different colors?
16:52 < genehacker> make it flouresce
16:52 < kanzure3_> oh.
16:52 < kanzure3_> you just mean for added lighting?
16:52 < bkero> kanzure3_: Give it an overhead diffused light, and it should get rid of shadows
16:52 < kanzure3_> bkero: No, I was wondering if you meant to use shadows. But you said stains, so nevermind- I'm guessing you mean a colored stain.
16:52 < kanzure3_> was hoping you meant without a stain :)
16:52 < kanzure3_> because we currently don't have a cheap "diy stain" that doesn't suck
16:53 < bkero> Yea
16:53 < kanzure3_> one's patented and super secret, the other is deadly, etc.
16:53 < bkero> You might be able to do it with shadow
16:53 < bkero> How does one see gel runs without a stain? :/
16:53 < kanzure3_> magic? :(
16:53 < bkero> lol
16:53  * bkero would really like some way to turn the lines into variable resistors
16:54 < bkero> If there were some way to do an inert metallic stain, you'd be able to do that, but I'm very doubtful there is.
16:55 < kanzure3_> well, if you slice the strip in two, each of equal size, one should have a greater resistance to the other on average
16:55 < kanzure3_> but unfortunately this is not a good method because the natural resistance is going to vary too greatly methinks,
16:55 < kanzure3_> or it's not going to be specific enough to figure out in which half the DNA presently is.
16:55 < bkero> agar is going to provide complete resistance
16:56 < kanzure3_> okie, nevermind.
16:56 < kanzure3_> guess that's how it works anyway
16:56 < kanzure3_> silly me.
16:57 < bkero> What if you did a stain afterwards that only bonded to the dna and not the agar?
16:57 < kanzure3_> afterwards?
16:57 < kanzure3_> you need to be able to find the dna.
16:57 < bkero> After electrophoresing
16:57 < kanzure3_> how do you know where the dna is?
16:58 < kanzure3_> oh.
16:58 < bkero> You don't know how far it's gone towards the other side
16:58 < bkero> But you know it went in a straight line(hopefully)
16:58 < bkero> So if you made an incision in the gel, could you add something to stain it afterwards?
17:03 < kanzure3_> heh, I just had one of those moments where all of those months talking with molecular biologists flashed before me
17:03 < kanzure3_> make a gel where the dna travels down, and behind it there's a fatty layer that contains some chemicals that easily degrade (chemically react) with the gel, something like an emulsion system
17:04 < kanzure3_> and this reaction would be visible as obvious damage to the gel
17:04 < kanzure3_> and your dna would be in front of it, or something.
17:05 < kanzure3_> emulsions require lots of special chemicals though, methinks. Not going to be easier than staining.
17:09 < splicer> In optical microscopes they have a way of making the refraction index visible... The way light bends differently through different non opaque media...
17:10 < splicer> maybe that could be used to separate DNA 
17:10 < kanzure> special fresnel lense perhaps..
17:11 < kanzure> something that could be printed out would be fun.
17:11 < kanzure> (as a mask)
17:11 < splicer> if you connected it to a camera you could steer the dna into a cup if you want 
17:11 < splicer> using current to seer it
17:11 < kanzure> steer, oh?
17:12 < splicer> yeah
17:12 < kanzure> how many directions are you thinking?
17:12 < splicer> 4
17:12 < splicer> ah
17:12 < splicer> well
17:13 < splicer> (better dismatle my lego build)
17:14 < kanzure> say, wait a second
17:15 < kanzure> if you have wells at the bottom, could you make it so that when the dna hits, the resistance changes?
17:15 < kanzure> so, the idea here would be that there's a sensor at the bottom well
17:15 < kanzure> when the dna drains into it, you get your timestamp (or really, an interval)
17:16 < splicer> why is that better than using the refraction index and a cam?.. seems simpler
17:18 < kanzure3_> could you describe the index to me?
17:19 < kanzure3_> uh, the method
17:19 < kanzure3_> sorry
17:19 < splicer> (it would be possible to steer it in 4 directions, using only one of the 2 channels at a time)
17:19 < kanzure3_> polarized light microscopy maybe?
17:20 < splicer> it's something else.. I think it has to do with that they change the pase on different colors... w8
17:20 < kanzure3_> phase?
17:20 < splicer> (phase)
17:20 < kanzure3_> hm.
17:21 < kanzure3_> "The use of local increments of refractive index in polyacrylamide gels for measuring protein concentrations in zones during electrophoresis is briefly"
17:21 < kanzure3_> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1164177
17:22 < kanzure3_> Real-Time Monitoring of Polyacrylamide Gel Electrophoresis by Schlieren Optics
17:22 < kanzure3_> http://jb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/102/4/681
17:22 < kanzure3_> oh, is just for proteins
17:22 < kanzure3_> ". A band containing as little as 0.3 µg of a protein could be detected."
17:23 < splicer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_contrast_microscope
17:27 < kanzure> Zernike plates. hrm.
17:27 < kanzure3_> "Perl zone distance calculator for making binary (radial) zone plate diffractive lenses
17:27 < kanzure3_> Fresnel zone plate diffractive lenses are mostly used for xray frequencies, which was how I came upon them, but I think with a high quality commercial printer and transparent film anyone could make one for visible light. They simply consist of alternately transparent and opaque zones whose radii are proportional to the square root of the natural numbers.
17:27 < kanzure3_> My perl script takes the options: -help, -foc, -freq, and -zones. If any or all are left out the defaults are -freq: 560nm (~daylight), -foc: 200 millimeters, -zones: 13 zones.
17:27 < kanzure3_> ./zoneplate.pl -freq 560 -foc 200 -zones 13
17:27 < kanzure3_> This would calculate the width of a zone for a zoneplate at 560nm, with a focal length of 200 millimeters, and 13 alternating zones (counting the middle SOLID as 1)."
17:28 < kanzure> but we need a Zernike zone plate generator
17:28 < kanzure> can it be done by just a transparent film on top of a lense?
17:28 < kanzure> or does it require actual glass and optics equipment?
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18:35 < PeerInfinity> the hplusroadmap wiki has now been mirrored on the Cosmic Engineers wiki
18:35 < PeerInfinity> http://cosmeng.org/publicwiki/index.php/Hplusroadmap_Wiki
20:18 < genehacker> whoa
20:19 < genehacker> I think the internet is broken
20:19 < genehacker> is it?
20:27 < PeerInfinity> the internet is working okay from here...
20:27 < genehacker> IE works
20:27 < genehacker> but firefox doesn't
20:28 < genehacker> ood
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22:00 < kanzure> Hi all.
22:00 < kanzure> Any new thoughts on the do-it-yourself zernicke lense?
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22:14 < kanzure3_> "You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools"
22:14 < kanzure3_> http://wiblocks.luciani.org/remix/index.html
22:15 < kanzure3_> http://groups.google.com/group/wiblocks
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22:26 < PeerInfinity> hi kanzure, hi outlawpoet :)
22:27 < AlonzoTG> om
22:27  * PeerInfinity repeats:
22:27 < PeerInfinity> the hplusroadmap wiki has now been mirrored on the Cosmic Engineers wiki
22:27 < PeerInfinity> http://cosmeng.org/publicwiki/index.php/Hplusroadmap_Wiki
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22:59 < genehacker> http://www.drudgereport.com/
22:59 < genehacker> and now t begins
23:00 < genehacker> and now it begins
23:00 < genehacker> *
23:01 < genehacker> WARNING PEOPLE WHO CLICK THE ABOVE LINK ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO READ ONLY THE LINE OTHER THE PICTURE
23:01 < outlawpoet_> drudge report is such an aggressively ugly website
23:01 < genehacker> OTHER INFORMATION ON THAT PAGE IS LIKELY TO BE POLITICS
23:01 < genehacker> yet it's so sucessful
23:04 < kanzure> Why'd I have to abort that fetus of my clone? I could really use a clone right about now.
23:06 < genehacker> Because you ran out of nutrient solution
23:06 < kanzure> Bloody bitch was eating too much.
23:08 < genehacker> heh
23:08 < genehacker> that's one reason for teh algal bioreactor
23:08 < genehacker> cheap growth media
23:09 < kanzure> Algae still needs to eat. A few of my friends have been worrying that the nutrient intake will explode with the growth of the algae, and thereby diverting natural resources from the environment.
23:09 < kanzure> Good growth media cheap does not make.
23:10 < kanzure> (Well, it does on at least one variable.)
23:10 < genehacker> so?
23:13 < kanzure> Just means that the amount of time is linear, without stratified development in resource harvesting tech to keep up with growth rates. That's all.
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23:21 < genehacker> If we could only feed it rocks
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23:58 < kanzure3_> Some spam just made its way into my inbox. "I intend sell my kidney for personal reasons plz contact me" to debian-isp.
23:58 < kanzure3_> Wonder what sort of scheme *that* is?