--- Day changed Thu Feb 12 2009 00:39 < kanzure> just spent the last two or three hours with dave. 00:41 < kanzure> he's as intense as I am. this shit is going down :) 00:47 < fenn> woot 00:47 < kanzure> so, again we were talking about things and he has been mentioning that the real focus needs to be on open source cad, and furthermore on the interface thereof 00:47 < kanzure> since we both agreed that the datastructures for parametric engines aren't really all that technically complicated 00:48 < fenn> they shut off the water - apparently the money i lent my ex-roomate to pay the bills didnt go to the bills.. I'm ready to do something different 00:48 < kanzure> in particular he wants to get some grant money to go put in $100k 6-axis Haas shit into les' fablab 00:48 < kanzure> we were also talking about "serious open source hardware projects"- let's go design a real Haas thing. but even if you had the CAD files for Haas, what are you going to do with them? 00:48 < fenn> cad -> haas = non-sequitur? 00:49 < kanzure> oh 00:49 < kanzure> um, just jumping around abit 00:49 < kanzure> sorry 00:49 < fenn> labs.mfg.com = open source VMC (vertical machining center) 00:49 < kanzure> it's hard for me to linearize nonlinear memories that, nevertheless, were acquired linearly 00:49 < kanzure> yeah, Jorge Garrera 00:49 < kanzure> we talked about him. wasn't interesting because that's not really repeatable 00:49 < kanzure> note that the Haas stuff is good because the economies of scale involved there to some extent 00:50 < kanzure> if you're producing ten thousand cnc machines, your automation equipment there is going to make sure each machine is specced out exact 00:50 < kanzure> dave was complaining about specifity between different F/OSS cnc machines anyway 00:50 < kanzure> since you don't have those seven zeroes of detail 00:51 < kanzure> heh, he mentioned something about hexapods 00:51 < fenn> opensourcecnc.blogspot.com i mean 00:51 < kanzure> and a BFI application entry 00:51 < fenn> what's not repeatable about it? 00:51 < fenn> no shit 00:51 < kanzure> so apparently he's ran into you before 00:53 < fenn> unfortunately all the academic research that's gone into hexapods isn't of much use because they don't share their code (and wont respond to emails from "random people on the internet) 00:53 < fenn> so it's actually a lot harder than it ought to be 00:53 < fenn> automatic calibration etc 00:54 < fenn> haas won't get near .00000001 00:55 < fenn> .00001 if you're lucky 00:55 < fenn> (inches) 00:55 < fenn> er, .0001 i mean 00:56 < fenn> about 50 microns 01:01 < fenn> er, 5 microns 01:01 < kanzure> fenn: so I want to get all of us in the same room together- you, me, les and dave. 01:01 < kanzure> would you be okay with that? 01:01 < fenn> double ball bar gets hexapod down to about 10 microns (this is with fancy equipment and lots of complex error modeling) 01:01 < fenn> yeah 01:02 < kanzure> so as for your "getting your lazy ass to austin" timeframe? 01:02 < fenn> i'm itching to do something but i dont want to just abandon all my crap and then flail around once i get there 01:02 < kanzure> right 01:02 < fenn> have les and dave met? 01:02 < kanzure> I'm just about to send out an email to the four of us suggesting we get together at some time and place, or really just so that we can start working our schedules in advance for that sort of a meet 01:02 < kanzure> no 01:03 < kanzure> so if I was to suggest a time for us to all meet, 01:03 < kanzure> if I said late february, would you be able to make that even theoretically? 01:03 < fenn> yes 01:04 < fenn> as of right now i dont have any bathroom so i'm not exactly in my comfort zone 01:05 < kanzure> hrm, how's that working anyway? 01:05 < kanzure> O.o 01:05 < fenn> i'm not sure 01:05 < kanzure> good luck with that' 01:05 < fenn> i found that i still have lab keys to a building on campus, so theoretically i can go there 01:06 < fenn> well, it's better than a truck stop at least 01:06 < fenn> sigh.. 01:09 < fenn> all that talk, and jorge barrera ended up with a wood router 01:14 < kanzure3_> Haas CNC price list http://www.haascnc.com/VMC_PRICE_40TAPER.asp#VMCTreePrice 01:15 < kanzure3_> Pallet changer (for multiple tombstones) and Vertical machining center http://www.haascnc.com/details_HMC_EC.asp?ID=351#HMCTreeModel 01:15 < kanzure3_> For perspective... this is the way to change tools with out a rotary tool changer I described http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3wjO0aaKLQ 01:15 < kanzure3_> uh, that was an email from dave 01:17 < kanzure3_> hah, wtf, "1 MB program memory?" 01:17 < kanzure3_> for the EC-400PP 01:18 < fenn> commercial CNC/CAM gets away with a lot of dark age stuff 01:18 < fenn> btw Haas is bottom of the barrel as far as industrial CNC machinery 01:19 < fenn> much smarter to buy an old mori seki or something like that 01:19 < kanzure> so apparently dave was once a grad student, but without a research project, 01:20 < kanzure> so he was apparently able to get government funding for LSU's machine shop to get in about 1 CNC machine per every 2 students for the manufacturing class 01:20 < kanzure> the grant went through and everything was set up and ready to go 01:20 < kanzure> and then he quit LSU and came to austin 01:20 < kanzure> I told him he was a moron and he agreed :/ 01:20 < kanzure> (LSU now has their fancy new machine shop installed.) 01:42 < fenn> polonator is basically an inkjet printer, right? 01:42 < fenn> or am i missing something? 01:43 < kanzure> I've never seen the hardware. 01:43 < kanzure> ever ever ever 01:43 < fenn> everything on here says "overkill" to me http://www.polonator.org/instrument/ 01:44 < fenn> 5nm resolution, wtf are you going to do with that 01:44 < fenn> i thought church was after the $1 genome 01:45 < fenn> there used to be a picture on the website, unless i'm thinking of something else (open hardware DNA synthesizer?) 01:50 < fenn> hmm must have been something else, looked different from this (the polonator): http://genomeboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/img_4044.JPG 01:51 < kanzure3_> http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ 01:51 < fenn> yeah that's what i was remembering 01:52 < fenn> po* 04:09 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:59 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:01 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:39 * kanzure makes a graph of fenn's nonaccess to a bathroom and his emailing rate. hrm. 05:40 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:52 < fenn> heh 06:22 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 07:22 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:51 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:20 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:35 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit ["Your mom is so ugly, when she went to McDonalds, they couldn't serve happy meals."] 10:06 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-68-73-203-107.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:26 < kanzure> fenn: 10:26 < kanzure> my mom has a 12 foot trailer 10:27 < kanzure> if I can craft some elaborate excuse for a road trip over a weekend, .. 10:54 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:08 < bkero> kanzure: You're headed up to Oregon, right? 8) 11:08 < kanzure3_> huh? 11:08 < bkero> Road trip 11:08 < kanzure3_> fenn is in indiana 11:09 < bkero> Pssh, they're only a couple miles apart. 11:10 < kanzure3_> okay 11:12 < kanzure> hm. pink army is being signed into being in an hour. 11:12 < kanzure> and apparently I'm now doing the website 11:12 < kanzure> O.o 11:13 < bkero> O_o 11:13 < bkero> Are you a pink surgeon? 11:13 < kanzure> http://pinkarmy.org/ 12:39 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-68-73-203-107.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:32 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-68-73-203-107.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:45 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:47 < fenn> if you want to drive a trailer for 3 days it would really help 14:18 < kanzure--> 3 days? 14:19 < kanzure--> does anyone remember what I used to record my screen when I did the biotech toolkit youtube thingy? 14:19 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:22 < fenn> google says 17 hr each way, but in my experience it takes 20% longer than they estimate 14:23 < kanzure--> well, if it was going to happen, I'd have to leave on a Friday around 3 pm 14:24 < fenn> < kanzure> I was using recordmydesktop. 14:25 < kanzure--> hm, I figured out istanbul this time 14:25 < kanzure--> turns out you have to clicky the icon in the taskbar to make it start/stop recording 14:32 < kanzure--> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gears.html 14:32 < kanzure--> video: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gearvid.ogg (79 KB) (bad) 14:34 < fenn> opengl is tricky to screencast 14:34 < fenn> i assume they actually spin with the correct ratios? 14:36 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 14:36 < kanzure--> you assume wrong foolish mortal! 14:37 < kanzure--> the spinning is just a rate that bounces from 0.0 to 1.0 and then back to 0 sparodically. 14:38 < fenn> hmm yep looks like glxgears (motion aliased blur) 14:38 < fenn> except they all appear to be spinning the same direction 14:39 < fenn> if it's GPL you should put that in the source 14:57 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit ["Your mom is so ugly, when she went to McDonalds, they couldn't serve happy meals."] 15:21 < kanzure--> fenn: les just offered you a bed. neat. 15:23 < kanzure--> well, not a bed, but a place to put a pallet 15:26 * kanzure-- leavez 15:27 < kanzure--> *leaves 15:32 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:03 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:07 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:17 < kanzure3_> the nantucket series actually sounds fun. 16:18 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-68-73-203-107.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:06 < fenn> haha "that way you avoid putting excess wear on your car" 17:06 < kanzure3_> wrong? 17:06 < fenn> i'm mostly concerned about it how to keep it from blowing up 17:09 < fenn> he didnt really answer the question though 17:17 < kanzure3_> when talking about a protein, "residues 1 through 25" refers to what precisely? 17:18 < kanzure3_> is that 1-25 of the AA sequence? 17:18 < fenn> yes 17:21 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:41 < kanzure> heh, sata is going to start paying me soon 17:41 < kanzure> double lifes are neat. 17:41 * kanzure twitches in exhaustion 17:42 < fenn> what do you actually do in his lab? 17:43 < kanzure> charlie and I have been working on the filter forever or whatever, 17:43 < kanzure> I've been working on some scripts to do GIS number crunching 17:43 < kanzure> have a presentation tomorrow (and apparently les is picking me up afterwards to go talk some more) 17:45 < kanzure> so, also, I've done some bioinformatics work with another one of his students who does insulin-in-algae expression 17:45 < kanzure> or at least has been trying to do that 17:45 < kanzure> insulin-in-spirulina 17:45 < kanzure> so I was doing genome analysis for codon bias, which I'm not convinced they know what to do with yet (for vector construction) 17:45 < fenn> hm. e coli isnt good enough? 17:45 < kanzure> spirulina apparently clumps very easily and can be grown in these giant vats. 17:45 < kanzure> giant thai spirulina farms and such 17:45 < fenn> but clumping is bad for growth 17:46 < kanzure> (like a seaweed) 17:46 < kanzure> heh 17:46 < kanzure> yes, that's true 17:46 < kanzure> but I think I mainly mean that it is easy to harvest 17:46 < fenn> right 17:46 < kanzure> because you can just run a surface through the waterbody and extract yer goods 17:46 < kanzure> or drain it easily and such 17:47 < fenn> i think they use cheesecloth 17:47 < kanzure> sata has an aquaculture bias, obviously 17:47 < fenn> grow me some algae contact lenses 17:47 < kanzure> (todo: build/design handheld lipid analysis machine for commercialization) 17:47 < kanzure> some wah? 17:47 < fenn> you know, for personal medical autonomy 17:48 < fenn> isnt it strange nobody knows what causes nearsightedness? 17:48 < kanzure> a conspiracy! 17:48 < fenn> indeed 17:49 < fenn> i think it might be due to light exposure as a baby during night-time 17:52 < fenn> i dont know how you keep up with so many mailing lists 18:06 < kanzure3_> "How Speakers' Eye Movements Reflect Spoken Language Generation" (feb 13 talk from the "Friends of Ai" group here at UT. hrm.) 18:07 < kanzure> I begin by selling my soul 18:22 < kanzure> um, so pinkarmy is now real 18:22 < kanzure> and I'm shooting Andrew Hessel some ideas on the website stuff 18:22 < kanzure> I suggested tumblr.com as a layout example 18:23 < kanzure> my brain used to be this large lookup table of "good layouts on the web", but now since I care fuck shit about that, I've lost that ability 18:25 < kanzure> twitter.com, tumblr.com, .. 18:46 < fenn> huh. googling "weather temperature graph" brings up paul's garden simulator 18:47 < fenn> er, "temperature graph weather" apparently word order matters now 18:54 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:08 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/ 19:08 < kanzure> I suck. 19:15 < fenn> it needs to be more ... pink 19:15 * kanzure finds another shade of pink. grumble grumble. 19:16 < fenn> looks gray to me 19:16 < kanzure> it is :( 19:16 < kanzure3_> Flickr Pink [#FF0084] 19:17 < kanzure3_> http://www.modernlifeisrubbish.co.uk/article/web-2.0-colour-palette 19:17 < kanzure3_> Digg Blue [#356AA0] 19:19 < fenn> would be cool if you had a background like these cells: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Colonies-WBC-Stem.mov 19:19 < fenn> there are other movies that have close ups that are like landscapes, but mplayer gets borked for some reason after playing certain movies (get green snow crash) 19:20 < fenn> maybe drew berry would be willing to make a background with those textures 19:23 < fenn> but really i wouldnt try to make a webpage, i'd find some kid who wants to build his web design resume 19:23 < fenn> you can always go through and rip out the web2.0nar 19:23 < kanzure> the problem is finding somebody legit 19:24 < fenn> like not xp_prg? 19:24 < kanzure> every web guy that I know, who does web stuff for a living, instantly wants to do flash shit 19:24 < kanzure> and then you end up paying him thousands of dollars for something unbelievably rude to the human condition :p 19:25 < fenn> eh i wouldnt pay him thousands of dollars 19:25 < fenn> come on, who wouldnt want to design "webpage for independent cancer research organization" 19:25 < fenn> is that sexy? 19:28 < xp_prg> I like flash 19:29 < fenn> i like money 19:29 < fenn> huh huh 19:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/other/home.html 19:37 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/other/index.html 19:39 < fenn> try white on pink 19:39 < fenn> white text 19:40 < fenn> cd /pub/irc/ 19:40 < fenn> oops 19:44 < fenn> meh. http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/index.html 19:45 < kanzure> ack, an index.html to /pub/irc/ is evil 19:47 < fenn> it will be removed shortly 19:48 < fenn> ok i give up, web design sucks 19:49 < kanzure> yep. 20:28 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:11 < kanzure3_> if you mounted a projector on a spinning disk on a ceiling in a circular room, would it be possible to use refresh rate to your advantage to make it look like you have a screen that spans the entire surface area of the wall that is being projected on to? 21:58 < fenn> yes but they dont draw the whole screen at once so you'd get slanty distortion 21:58 < kanzure3_> raster scanning? 21:58 < fenn> maybe you could tilt it sideways 21:59 < fenn> "bring everything" he says, hahahaa 21:59 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/fishtubs.yaml;hb=HEAD 22:00 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/milk-crates.yaml;hb=HEAD 22:00 < fenn> that's just the stuff that fits in containers (or almost does, in some cases) 22:00 < kanzure3_> is that maniacal laughter because you figured out how to do it, or not? 22:00 < fenn> sure, i can think of a few ways to do it 22:01 < kanzure3_> also, inventory before moving is a good idea. 22:01 < kanzure3_> I wish I would have done that when my father passed away 22:01 * kanzure3_ still doesn't trust the "oh just take money out of his wallet, he doesn't mind" philosophy 22:02 < kanzure3_> mc16: tax records, college papers 22:02 < kanzure3_> huh? 22:03 < fenn> what? 22:03 < kanzure3_> odd combination? 22:03 < fenn> not really, it's where all the loose papers go 22:04 < kanzure3_> ft56: chemistry 22:04 < fenn> not as impressive as it sounds, unfortunately 22:04 < kanzure3_> "I have fit all of chemistry into this single container" 22:04 < fenn> that's the plan 22:06 < fenn> i didnt realize i had 92 fish tubs 22:06 < kanzure3_> what is a fish tub? 22:06 < fenn> an air mail shipping container for fish fillets 22:07 < fenn> http://www.ropakfish.com/fishing.php the 10 and 20 lb 22:07 < fenn> mostly 20lb 22:07 < kanzure3_> ah 22:07 < fenn> i'd really like to get more 22:08 < fenn> perhaps i can just throw away some stuff 22:08 < kanzure3_> eek. pain. 22:08 < fenn> yes 22:08 < fenn> this is post-purge btw 22:08 < fenn> the thing is, it's so easy to not purge something if it's in a nice container 22:08 < kanzure3_> when was pre-post-purge? 22:09 < kanzure3_> your recent move? 22:09 < fenn> december 22:10 < kanzure3_> oh drats, I forgot to ask for the trailer earlier today 22:12 < kanzure3_> ah, she just emailed me three minutes ago, how convenient of her. 22:12 < fenn> it's only 10pm right? 22:12 < kanzure> old people sleep early 22:14 < fenn> btw for reference, a u-haul costs about $1k + gas 22:15 < kanzure> yikes 22:15 < kanzure> does google maps give you an estimate on gas? 22:15 < kanzure> "vs. $blah driving!" 22:15 < fenn> i dont know what mileage it would get 22:15 * fenn invokes the power of the internet 22:16 < kanzure> well I was asking about gas because I'll probably have to foot the bill on gas if I drive the trailerbeast up to you 22:17 < fenn> well it's 1000 miles 22:17 < fenn> * 2 22:18 < kanzure3_> "excuse me.....you don't know how to drive my car with a trailer...a bit more than hit the pedle and brake" 22:18 < kanzure3_> well, there's her answer. 22:18 < kanzure> (I don't recommend dealing with her) 22:18 * fenn squints at the numbers 22:19 < kanzure> if you look real closely, the three zeroes start to become just one really really long zero, you see 22:19 < fenn> why can't i rent space on a train 22:20 < kanzure3_> because national train infrastructure no longer exists? 22:22 * fenn hears trains whistling in the distance 22:22 < fenn> really, that's kinda spooky 22:30 < kanzure3_> http://sites.google.com/site/artmarcovici/unitx from eric. 22:31 < kanzure3_> "UNITX (united networks international transport exchange) is a project that intends to fundamentally change the way our economy 22:31 < kanzure3_> works today. UNITX is a system of corridors located underground in larger urban areas. In these corridors the pictured logibots 22:31 < kanzure3_> are traveling and transporting goods from house to house. The logibots are able to transport up to 4 boxes with dimensions of up to 60x60x45 cm. " 22:32 < fenn> uh. looks really complicated 22:32 < kanzure3_> I can't tell if that's intentional or not 22:33 < fenn> eric introduced me to the banana monorail 22:33 < fenn> which IMHO would be 90 zillion times easier to make than that logibot thing 22:46 < fenn> http://www.tunliweb.no/Bilder_SM/_album_svalbard/x2.JPG 22:47 < fenn> although it's in norway, it's still a banana monorail :P 22:48 < fenn> kinda hard to see how it attaches on these pics, but i like the hoop design: http://www.geocities.com/ferrobanana/trains.htm?200912#top 22:50 < kanzure3_> enterprise rents out cargo vans for a day or two for $170~ 22:50 < kanzure3_> http://autoobserver.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/06/chevy_express_cargo_van_180.jpg 22:52 < fenn> that might work.. i wonder about the weight rating 22:53 < fenn> 3700lbs 22:53 < fenn> not like i have any idea how much my stuff weighs 22:54 < fenn> welp the scale will arrive in the mail tomorrow so i can weigh stuff 22:59 < kanzure3_> I am not sure if enterprise lets you do one-way trips 23:41 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-187.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:42 < fenn> i could probably buy a truck, drive it, and sell it, and make a profit 23:42 < kanzure3_> how do you figure? 23:42 < fenn> instead of paying $7-900 to rent a truck for three days 23:42 < gene> price of UAVs needs to be a MAV 23:43 < fenn> not sure about that gene, trucks are pretty cheap around here 23:43 < gene> how much? 23:43 < fenn> <$500 23:43 < gene> dang 23:43 < fenn> usually they need some care 23:43 < fenn> actually there is a pickup truck in my yard that has been abandoned 23:43 < gene> uavs are estimated to be around $3000 23:44 < gene> fenn, buy a bunch of cordite and BLOW IT TO BITS! 23:44 < fenn> woohoo!! 23:46 < gene> or buy a bag of fertilizer and some dizel fool 23:48 < fenn> hey this is almost a truck http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/1032642036.html 23:48 < gene> looks sort of cool 23:49 < gene> but it would be cooler BLOWN UP! 23:51 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit []