--- Day changed Fri Feb 13 2009 00:19 < kanzure> hm, so my presentation for ADL has been pushed forward a few weeks, I'm doing it the first Wednesday of March 00:19 < kanzure> but instead of anything related to 'research', I'll be pushing revision control and a backup system. 00:20 < kanzure> (or, rather, a training session) 01:51 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:09 < gene> woo 02:13 < willPow3r> hoo 02:31 -!- Netsplit hubbard.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: boogles, kanzure--, Overand, bkero, chizu 02:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kanzure--, boogles, chizu, Overand, bkero 03:12 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-187.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:13 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-187.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:15 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-178-187.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:16 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:27 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:27 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit ["leaving"] 07:28 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:38 < samrose> Bryan, at some point, it would be good to have a talk with Marcin about the goals of http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Skdb are from your perspective(s). 07:39 < samrose> or, kanzure, I should say :-) 07:39 < samrose> I am working on creating a branch of skdb using all python tools. (not a huge amount of progress yet, but I am posting that here http://socialsynergyweb.org/hg/repos/hgwebdir.cgi/skdb/ 07:42 < kanzure> samrose: I agree. Especially now that I have a fablab. 07:43 < samrose> kanzure: where are you at with skdb, I would really like to put some work into it over Mar and Apr, but I would like to follow your lead, if you are interested 07:44 < kanzure> parts compatibility and interoperability metadata representation. Recently there's been some progress in this that can be translated into some code, so that needs to get done. 07:45 < kanzure> (gengetopt and such) 07:46 < samrose> how are you doing the representation of parts compat and interop? 07:46 < kanzure> it's an issue of two things as far as I can tell: 07:46 < kanzure> (1) geometrical compatibility (easy) 07:46 < kanzure> (2) parametric or "rated-for" compatibility 07:47 < kanzure> this is an issue of 'ports' on a device, which are special regions of a CAD part 07:47 < kanzure> #2 would be a format that basically is a list of GNU units ("1.2 m/sec h2o" (or something)) 07:47 < kanzure> #1 would be some edge/surface/face detection algorithms that can easily be found in the literature or made up on the spot. 07:48 < kanzure> (this is also related or equivalent to the problem of 'part mating') 07:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2009-01-28 has some papers that are of interest 07:48 < samrose> (gotta run, will be back) 07:59 < samrose> kanzure, so what is the highest priority among your existing tasks on skdb? 07:59 < samrose> also I have some ideas here: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2009-01-28#Evolving_Assembly_Plans_for_Fully_Automated_Design_and_Assembly 08:00 < samrose> working on some similar idea 08:00 < samrose> s 08:00 < kanzure> I don't know what the highest priority is. :( 08:00 < kanzure> what I've been thinking of though, recently, 08:00 < kanzure> is that we should model some standard interfaces up into CAD files 08:00 < kanzure> like USB, pipe fittings, firewire, etc. 08:00 < kanzure> and then also provide the parametric "rated-for" information in the metadata 08:01 < kanzure> and then distribute these to be used in other designer's CAD work, for starters 08:01 < kanzure> since people would be more likely to use this information if they are given useful common ports/interfaces to be used in their designs :) 08:01 < kanzure> but instructions on how to build something is also just as important 08:02 < kanzure> once there is information on ports, the "assembly file" should be the catalyst for instructions to be generated 08:02 < kanzure> which is usually the case in commercial CAD/CAM packages IIRC. 08:03 < kanzure> so anyway, re: USB, I was flipping through the USB standards/documentation and looking at the drawings, wondering how I might sketch those up into a CAD file. 08:04 < kanzure> they provide the schematics, though it's not quite as simple as pipe fittings :) 08:07 < samrose> saw you talking about USB 3 on openmanufacturing 08:07 < kanzure> samrose: in reality, the recent skdb-related work has been more related to inventory management, simply because fenn is moving down here. 08:07 < kanzure> yeah :) 08:08 < samrose> so, the primary data that you are putting into the db now is geometric, and parametric. How do you collect parametric data, currently? 08:08 < kanzure> hope that the documentation is correct. 08:08 < kanzure> for instance, for electronics this is given in the datasheets 08:08 < kanzure> for pipe fittings, they usually have pressure ratings, and some other information like that (specs) 08:09 < kanzure> (electronics- things like max operating conditions, voltages per pin, etc.) 08:09 < samrose> so, if you are fabricating something from scratch, then creating parametric data is up to you :) 08:10 < kanzure> yes, that's true, and that's a good reason to make sure there's a bug reporting system installed on top of this :p 08:10 < samrose> I will bet you that trac would work 08:10 < samrose> as a reporting system 08:11 < kanzure> I am surprisingly unbiased when it comes to choosing bug tracking systems. simply because I don't use them often I guess. anyway, yeah, sure. 08:11 < samrose> (also a python scripted project) 08:11 < samrose> one of the advantages to having all of this made with python is that it can all eventually be very tightly integrated 08:12 < samrose> anyway 08:12 < kanzure> do you know about ponoko? 08:12 < kanzure> I was talking with david ten have, the ceo of ponoko the other day, specifically about this metadata and hardware packaging stuff 08:12 < kanzure> and I mentioned to him the idea of 'partial packaging' or 'loose packages' 08:13 < kanzure> where we have some fabrication artifact thingy represented, but we label it as 'loose' or 'incomplete' or whatever 08:13 < samrose> like this http://www.ponoko.com/ 08:13 < kanzure> because in some cases you won't have that parametric data as you mentioned 08:13 < kanzure> yes 08:13 < kanzure> online on-demand laser cutting fabrication service 08:13 < samrose> parametrics could be collaborated on 08:13 < kanzure> sure sure 08:14 < samrose> but, let's pretend that we were doing this today: how do you imagine that people might collab on parametrics 08:14 < samrose> ? 08:14 < samrose> via wiki pages? 08:14 < kanzure> no, I'm imagining a diagnostics/testing protocol 08:14 < kanzure> which would involve in the procedures something about submitting the results through the bug tracking system 08:15 < samrose> hmmm..why through bug tracking? 08:15 < kanzure> the diagnostics/testing protocol would have instructions generated much like the assembly instruction generation method 08:15 < kanzure> huh? didn't we just mention bug tracking though? I guess you could also just immediately update the design information, which is ok too 08:16 < samrose> yeah, we did just mention bug tracking, but I wondered why you were making that choice. So, you would use bug tracking as a system to help you track commits 08:16 < samrose> I see 08:16 < samrose> makes sense 08:16 < samrose> or, people could patch against existing files, and post them to bug tracking system 08:17 < kanzure> so anyway, using that testing-protocol thingy, a user would run a command like "paratest mydesign.skdb" and then out pops some instructions for how to test each of the different ports etc. 08:17 < kanzure> right 08:17 < kanzure> I'm pretty sure there are standards for testing, like for testing pipes or something 08:17 < kanzure> which usually consists of the same toolset, but I might be terribly wrong 08:17 < samrose> ah. so, how does the data for standards testing get into the mydesign.skdb file? 08:18 < samrose> (sorry for the tedious questions, just trying to see where I can help work on this) 08:18 < kanzure> one test that might be mentioned is the use of calipers 08:18 < kanzure> the calipers are not encoded into the skdb file 08:18 < kanzure> (or I guess they could be but that's another line of thought) 08:18 < kanzure> but instead, calipers are known to be able to provide the function that they do.. 08:18 < kanzure> so if the paratest program finds that there's a pipe port, 08:19 < kanzure> maybe the measurements need to be confirmed, and thus a caliper, a measuring instrument, would be selected 08:19 < kanzure> and the instructions (from the caliper package) would be linked to or written out 08:19 < kanzure> (the use-instructions, not build-instructions) 08:20 < kanzure> I could also imagine though that this information, esp. for specialized diagnostics for weird machine parts, could be encoded into the .skdb file though 08:21 < samrose> (brb sorry) 08:21 < kanzure> me too. shower/breakfast. 08:32 < samrose> kanzure, I am trying to think of "easy" ways for people to get data in to these files, that people like marcin can pickup right away. So, is it plausible that someone could use some form of markup to encode information, which could then be picked up and incorporated by skdb file? 08:32 < samrose> ok, I can check with you later 08:33 < samrose> Or, even better, that people could park parts of documentation almost anywhere, and that those pages and data could be flagged for import from across the web, into a specific .skdb file 08:38 < samrose> Then, the full .skdb file could be committed to projects where packages are maintained 08:38 < samrose> via bug tracking 08:39 < samrose> This is actually what I tried to set up with Marcin about 1 1/2 year ago 08:39 < samrose> :) 08:39 < samrose> not everything you are talking about, but a package maintaining system, anyway, that used (in that case Drupal project system) bug racking 08:39 < samrose> ok, signin off 08:47 < kanzure> there may be no 'easy way' for people to put data into packages (or maybe there is-- wizards? etc.) 08:47 < kanzure> notice how debian packages are done by package maintainers ;-) 08:47 < kanzure> I bet you don't know the .deb format. 09:07 < kanzure3_> " 09:07 < kanzure3_> I met this guy at a Foo camp party in Beijing, and he gave a presentation on how he reverse engineers Nintendo Wiis. He uses some kind of custom chassis that connects to both sides of the Wii's motherboard and burns off the tops of chips to look at their structure through a microscope. Pretty impressive..." 09:12 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:25 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-99-147-180-206.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:34 < kanzure> hm, http://helmel.net/ 's webmaster has been emailing me, trying to get me to link to them on their website 09:35 < kanzure> his third email to me includes The Singularity is Near as an attachment. his second email though mentioned some weird Unified Field Theory cult institute. 09:35 < kanzure> "HElmel Engineering has been designing and manufacturing coordinate measuring machines since 1973" 09:39 < kanzure3_> "Lab Meeting Today Welch 3.260 4-5 PM - Bryan Bishop talks on GIS" 09:39 < kanzure3_> huh, guess I should get started on that. 09:48 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:56 < kanzure> Any suggestions on how I should do a presentation on GIS for a bunch of biologists? 09:57 < kanzure> mostly in terms of organizing the slides 09:57 < kanzure> for instance, can I assume they know what a map is? 10:01 < kanzure3_> http://rogeralsing.com/2008/12/07/genetic-programming-evolution-of-mona-lisa/ 10:17 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:19 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:20 < fenn> samrose: "some form of markup to encode information" like a yaml file? 11:21 < fenn> and no, i dont think using RSS feeds is a good way to compile source code 11:22 < fenn> i dont get what y'all are saying about using bug tracking to collaborate 11:22 < fenn> we have social structures for collaboration already like mailing lists and IRC 11:22 < kanzure3_> bug trackers are for tracking bugs. what's wrong about that? 11:22 < kanzure3_> (or issue trackers) 11:22 < fenn> bug trackers are useful because they are persistent and provide a structure that's useful for describing a bug 11:22 < fenn> nothing wrong with using a tool for what it's made for 11:24 < fenn> samrose: have you seen "bugs everywhere"? 11:24 < fenn> i havent used it yet but i like the idea 11:24 < kanzure3_> btw, was just talking with tito about using yaml for the pcr.xml protocol thingy, that's what prompted my email re: biological suppliers (sort of- it's also apparently what dave is doing for unptnt; he has sparkfun ready to dump their catalog/api into unptnt) 11:25 < fenn> havent gotten that far yet 11:41 < fenn> heh "Some sects allow cars, if they are painted entirely black (no chrome) to ease the temptation to upgrade to the latest model." 11:41 < fenn> i think some import hot-rodders do that 11:42 < kanzure3_> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5513097972897939612&ei=3Z6VSaeOGZPiqQLArJz8CA&q=tim+leary+how+to+operate+your+brain+site%3Avideo.google.com&emb=1 "Timothy Leary - How To Operate Your Brain" 11:43 < kanzure3_> a manual on operating your brain.. by leary. don't know if that will turn out well :p 11:45 < fenn> leary was pretty smart 11:46 < fenn> read "prometheus rising" for r.a.w's take on leary's model of consciousness (or brain-operation if you will) 11:48 < fenn> that video should come with a warning or something 11:48 < fenn> "dont leave this on while trying to get shit done" 11:48 < kanzure3_> why's that? 11:48 < fenn> "the first thing to do is to overwhelm your focused mind" just about says it all 11:49 < kanzure3_> I find this hardly overwhelming .. this is like baseline operating frequency :p 11:49 < kanzure3_> "no mind is better than its smallest think" 11:49 < kanzure3_> wait 11:49 < kanzure3_> yes, something like thaT 11:51 < fenn> that's rather puritanical 11:51 < kanzure3_> hah 11:51 < kanzure3_> it's just something fun to play around with. 11:51 < fenn> w/ some doctor seuss flavor 11:51 < kanzure3_> there's certainly no self-strictness implied in it 11:52 < kanzure3_> uh, well, I mean, there is 11:52 < kanzure3_> but it's not intentionally implied 11:52 < kanzure3_> if you could root it out, that'd be nice. 11:54 < fenn> "no mind is better than its greatest think"? 11:54 < fenn> or maybe its the other way around 11:54 < fenn> "no mind is greater than its best think"? 11:55 < kanzure3_> No brain is stronger than its weakest think. -- Thomas L. Masson 11:55 * fenn halts a rampaging cascade of ideonomy 12:30 < kanzure> hah 12:31 < kanzure> so some random guy, "Emil Gilliam" messages me and asks for lunch 12:31 < kanzure> after a quick Googling, I see: "[SL4] META: Emil Gilliam appointed List Sniper" 12:31 < kanzure> and "Emil Gilliam - Order of Cosmic Engineers" 12:50 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 13:16 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@www.mahurangi.school.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:20 < samrose> fenn: nope never saw busg everywhere 13:21 < samrose> bugs 13:22 < samrose> fenn: yeah, YAML could be great, or I could create a way to grab data from something like media wiki, and write it formatted to a YAML file, which could be submitted as a patch or contribution for a maintainer to yeah or nay as a commitable contribution 13:22 < samrose> so, media wiki users could use some special tag to signify what part of yaml file their stuff is written to 13:23 < samrose> why? 13:24 < samrose> now, a guy like marcin can map stuff on his wiki as parametric specs to a project, and so can a guy writing on appropedia, and then that stuff can ultimately become part of a package, and marcin and the other guy can make this part of their workflow 13:24 < samrose> that is why 13:24 < samrose> that is what I am going to build 13:24 < samrose> later! 13:28 < fenn> rather than mediawiki i'm going to just write a web frontend for the yaml format 13:28 < fenn> "just" 13:29 < fenn> semantic tags aren't magic 13:41 -!- samrose [n=samrose@adsl-99-147-180-206.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/GIS/2009-02-13_GIS.odp 13:43 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/GIS/2009-02-13_GIS.ppt is the more recent version 13:45 < kanzure> ok, off to physics and presentation and such. 13:45 < kanzure> (Emil talked about django and such. Apparently he also plays jazz piano (yeah, high class living, yadda yadda)) 13:46 < fenn> perhaps emil will write a django frontend 13:59 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:09 < fenn> http://www.1234567890day.com/ it only happens once 14:36 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@www.mahurangi.school.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:53 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@www.mahurangi.school.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:47 < bkero> It'll happen again 15:47 < bkero> In a couple hundred years 15:47 < bkero> 2282 is 9876543210 15:54 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@c-66-30-14-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:57 < fenn> in 0.58 terayears 15:57 < fenn> with 64 bit time 16:35 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@www.mahurangi.school.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:06 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@c-66-30-14-152.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 17:13 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:25 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@smtp.mahurangi.school.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:40 < procto> ##1234567890 is insane 17:40 < bkero> I'm in there 17:40 < bkero> CAPS LOCK is cruise control for COOL 17:56 < fenn> aw i missed it 18:29 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:01 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@smtp.mahurangi.school.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:15 < fenn> "so if 1234567890 happened on friday the 13th, how come every unix computer in the world didn't suddenly turn into a hideous brain eating zombie?" "because they already are hideous brain eating zombies" 19:37 < fenn> hm this can't be right "about six thousand Italian scientists flee Italy every year" 19:51 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 19:57 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:11 < fenn> http://www.tinkerkit.com/ i'd love for skdb to look like this some day 20:11 < fenn> oh they're illustrations not renderings 20:22 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:24 < fenn> reminds me of the solid state entity: http://www.ugotrade.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/openburble2.jpg 20:24 < fenn> from the 'architecture as operating system' people 20:25 < fenn> http://www.haque.co.uk/openburble.php more here 20:26 < xp_prg> fenn is that dna? 20:29 < fenn> you're obsessed 20:33 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:38 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:50 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:58 -!- wrldpc_ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:00 -!- wrldpc__ [n=ben@c-98-217-184-253.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:38 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:16 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:33 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:49 -!- Netsplit hubbard.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: PeerInfinity, fenn 22:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: PeerInfinity, fenn 22:55 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:55 < kanzure> fenn: so I was with les tonight, I don't know if you're going to freak out about this 22:55 < kanzure> but he does want to rent out spaces for $225/mo, 22:56 < kanzure> but he would also be willing to subsidize you for 2, *maybe* 3 months if you're willing to do some work with him (which you need to talk to him about) 22:56 < kanzure> (or I guess you don't need to talk to him about, but you probably should) 22:56 < kanzure> and once that's done, I'd be willing to subsidize that cost, but only until I get out of this dorm and have to dorm either with you or someone else, at which point that money would go towards dorming 22:57 < kanzure> also, I have a full inventory listing that I need to type up 23:11 < fenn> i dont think his $2500 from subletters is realistic 23:12 < fenn> i hope i can find a job or some other method of acquiring money in 2 months :\ 23:12 < kanzure> you (or, rather, we) should talk with him about this. 23:12 < fenn> hm that was supposed to be sarcastic, not pathetic 23:12 < kanzure> well, I'm hoping a few of my different jobs could work out 23:12 < kanzure> pinkarmy, sata biofuel, whatever. 23:13 < kanzure> anyway, we can make this work out, but I don't want you to move down and then realize this sucks or something because I'm cognitively inept 23:13 < kanzure> also it turns out Jonathan Cline has moved into Austin (from the diybio group), so I have to hunt him down and meet with him sometime 23:14 < fenn> one of the few people to "get" my gel straw idea 23:14 < kanzure> well he does have an @ieee.org email address. 23:14 < kanzure> (aren't I a racist) 23:14 < kanzure> or, domainist 23:15 < fenn> addressist 23:16 < fenn> http://dumpstercnc.com/ <- says 'east texas' 23:17 < fenn> i wonder where exactly 23:17 < kanzure> erm, how do I mount a dvd 23:17 < kanzure> mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd ? 23:18 < kanzure> one of les' cool hacks he wants to do is a spray painting system on the bottom of a car 23:18 < kanzure> and then go draw random-as-shit handicap parking spaces in the middle of nowhere in mall parking lots 23:19 < kanzure> hrm, /mnt/dvd must be wrong 23:19 < kanzure> but "eject" works. wtf? 23:20 < fenn> sometimes it's cdrom0 sometimes dvdrw, i usually just do hd* 23:20 < fenn> or sd if it's a sata drive? 23:20 < kanzure> it's not sata. 23:20 < kanzure> it's not dvd, cdrw1, cdrom, cdrom1 23:21 < fenn> -t iso9660 might be wrong 23:21 < kanzure> "No medium found" 23:21 < fenn> you dont need it anyway 23:21 < fenn> try another dvd 23:21 < kanzure> it's actually a CD in a DVD drive but that shouldn't matter 23:21 < kanzure> no, must be this CD :) 23:21 < kanzure> fablab inventory 23:21 < fenn> eh? 23:21 < kanzure> or else I must resort to typing it up by hand 23:21 < kanzure> which isn't terrible, it's only three pages of way too tiny print, but whatever 23:21 < fenn> well try another cd just to see if it works 23:22 < fenn> not an audio cd 23:24 < kanzure> screw this. 23:37 < kanzure3_> http://heybryan.org/austin_fablab_2009-02-13.txt 23:42 < fenn> oh, cool 23:42 < fenn> find a word in the English language that is pronounced differently when capitalized? 23:42 < kanzure3_> he gave me one that he claims is the only one 23:42 < kanzure3_> do you want it? 23:43 < fenn> Polish polish Invalid invalid 23:43 < fenn> hmm 23:43 < kanzure3_> polish, yes. 23:43 < fenn> it all seems rather arbitrary 23:43 < kanzure3_> invalid? how does that work? 23:44 < fenn> someone who can't take care of themself 23:44 < kanzure3_> versus invalid, as in incorrect 23:44 < kanzure3_> sounds the same to me 23:44 < kanzure3_> maybe it's an accent thing? 23:44 < kanzure3_> (not that I have any particular accent, but maybe 'invalids' do) 23:44 < fenn> IN vuh lid, vs in-valid 23:44 < kanzure3_> okie. 23:45 < fenn> "Forget" is the name of a French tennis player 23:45 < fenn> whee 23:45 < kanzure3_> so, how do you like the inventory? 23:45 < kanzure3_> we skipped materials, but I'm sure that's not a big deal 23:46 < fenn> i'm only bringing a small subset of materials anyway 23:46 < kanzure3_> focus on tools I guess 23:46 < kanzure3_> unless you have some super awesome materials 23:46 < fenn> 20 inch disk sander? wtf 23:47 < fenn> dish washer could double as a washing machine too :) 23:47 < kanzure3_> srsly, how hard could it be 23:48 < fenn> one pump could be an air compressor for fog-blasting and vacuum pump to boil the water at low temperatures 23:49 < fenn> wonder if i should steal my roomate's whiteboard 23:49 < kanzure3_> also, he keeps thinking that software is some expensive as hell thing 23:49 < kanzure3_> and maybe he's right, maybe I'm inexperienced 23:49 < kanzure3_> but he's over here citing off $50k/seat software for shit that I haven't even heard of 23:49 < kanzure3_> and I guess solidworks is $7k/seat, so whatever 23:49 < fenn> yes you tend to overestimate how easy software is to develop 23:50 < fenn> $50k/seat is useless to us 23:50 < kanzure3_> right 23:50 < fenn> what was that, CATIA? 23:50 < kanzure3_> but for instance, the gcode 23:50 < kanzure3_> no, $50k/seat was a movie studio software thingy 23:50 < fenn> oh, pff 23:50 < kanzure3_> but anyway, gcode and CAD->CAM stuff, he claims, is expensive as hell 23:50 < kanzure3_> but meanwhile I'm thinking of linuxemc 23:51 < kanzure3_> am I misunderstanding things? 23:51 < kanzure3_> I basically told him that his software problems are more or less taken care of with you and me on the scene.. but I might be wrong. 23:51 < fenn> eh, well, you can pay $0 or $100 or $10000, depending on how much of other people's money you have on hand 23:51 < fenn> for CAM 23:51 -!- RiceCake [i=RiceCake@static24-72-67-166.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:52 < kanzure3_> Hi RiceCake. 23:52 < fenn> i'm really excited about heekscad btw, if you havent noticed 23:52 < kanzure3_> whois RiceCake ? 23:52 < RiceCake> Lmao 23:52 < fenn> some wiki nazi 23:52 < kanzure3_> dave knows about heekscad btw 23:52 < RiceCake> Ive been in here 45 seconds what the hell 23:52 < kanzure3_> hm? 23:53 < fenn> RiceCake: what's a word in english that changes pronunciation depending on whether it's capitalized or not? 23:53 < fenn> kanzure3_: what sort of materials were there? mostly wood? 23:53 < RiceCake> You're really bored arent you. 23:53 < kanzure3_> mostly wood, but there might have been some other stuff I missed 23:54 < fenn> RiceCake: it's a test of your worthiness :P 23:54 < RiceCake> I also can't fucking stand English majors. 23:55 < RiceCake> YOur point? 23:56 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:56 < fenn> it's cheating if i tell you 23:57 < RiceCake> Well if you're not cheating youre not trying hard enough. 23:58 < fenn> it's amazing how much useless crap is mixed in with the good stuff in my inventory 23:58 < fenn> and then there's a lot of "qty 50 ethernet cable" type dealies