--- Day changed Mon Feb 16 2009
00:00 < gene> the disipating power of a a gundam is alot
00:01 < fenn> some gigawatts right?
00:01 < gene> Maybe more
00:01 < gene> I'll have to watch gundam
00:02 < gene> how big is a space colony?
00:02 < gene> miles?
00:03 < fenn> Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1380 kW
00:03 < fenn> so.. megawatts isnt that much
00:04 < gene> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
00:04 < gene> you know what the dissipating power of a jet engine is on a 747?
00:05 < fenn> depends who you ask.. island one was supposed to be 1 mile in diameter and maybe 10 miles long
00:05 < gene> like 1 megawatt
00:05 < gene> 1 jet engine 1 megawatt
00:05 < fenn> oops 1 mile circumference?
00:05 < gene> enough to power the city of galveston texas]
00:05 < fenn> and island 3 is 2 miles radius and 20 miles long
00:06 < gene> that's huge
00:06 < fenn> it's "big enough" that's for sure
00:07 < fenn> so considering a gundam has multiple fusion rockets on it, and weighs more than a jet.. the power level should probably be higher
00:07 < fenn> 59.0 tons
00:08 < gene> the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was estimated to be like 10 kilometers in diameter
00:08 < fenn> yeah but that's solid metal
00:09 < gene> no it's rock
00:09 < gene> oh shit
00:09 < gene> we're arguing about anime
00:09 < fenn> An empty Boeing 747 weights empty 361276.0 lbs == 180 tons hrm
00:09 < fenn> anime nuffin
00:09 < fenn> i'm gonna build me a gundam, just you wait
00:09 < fenn> and that neogentronyx crap doesn't count
00:10 < gene> but yeah you could power 4 galvestons with a plane
00:11 < fenn> galveston uses 1MW?
00:12 < gene> yeah
00:12 < kanzure> before or after it was destroyed
00:12 < fenn> heh
00:13 < gene> huh
00:14 < gene> It is pretty destroyed right now
00:14 < gene> almost looks a bit postapocalyptic
00:14 < kanzure> bad economy and a terrible storm, what do you expect?
00:16 < gene> maybe if we make a self-replicating machine to eat up all that garbage...
00:17 < gene> we could build the city up again for the next big storm
00:17 < fenn> and make it from paper mache so nobody cares when it gets destroyed
00:17 < gene> oh Kanzure got me some algae samples from my home town
00:18 < gene> they're alive!
00:18 < kanzure> you're welcome.
00:18 < gene> ???
00:19 < kanzure> btw, when did I do this?
00:24 -!- jm|afk [n=jm@p57B9F854.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []
00:25 < gene> just after you descended into total and complete madness!
00:25 < gene> I for one descended into it today
00:25 < kanzure> as long as you resurface.
00:25 < fenn> i parsed the sentence as "oh kanzure, I got me some algae samples"
00:26 < kanzure> drop rndm wrds a o from sentences
00:29 < gene> ok bye
00:58 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap
01:09 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:12 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit []
02:54 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
03:19 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap
04:59 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap
08:28 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit ["Your mom is so ugly, when she went to McDonalds, they couldn't serve happy meals."]
08:29 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/oDesign
08:30 < kanzure> http://www.odesigncommunity.com/
08:31 < kanzure> http://www.odesigncommunity.com/modules/wfdownloads/viewcat.php?cid=1 projects
08:31 < kanzure> just seems to be lots of arduinos
08:33 < kanzure> hm, all projects are in a zip file
08:34 < kanzure> reprap-firmware-halfstepXY-fullstepZ-20080613
08:34 < kanzure> http://www.odesigncommunity.com/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=26
08:35 < kanzure> hm, not standardized
08:35 < kanzure> the zip files are just random shit
08:46 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:12 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:24 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:33 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit []
09:38 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9F854.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:40 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit []
09:46 -!- jm|afk [n=jm@p57B9FCBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:49 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap
09:51 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-63.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]"]
09:56 -!- fenn [n=foobar@c-98-223-187-235.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
09:56 < kanzure> neat, so ted@shopbot replied. he sounds very interested in things.
09:57 < nsh> what things?
09:57 < kanzure> well, open manufacturing things.
09:58 < kanzure> 10'x30' working areas for shopbots, wheee
09:58 < kanzure> that's larger than our mechmate.
10:03 < nsh> ok. let me know when something cool happens :-)
10:03 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9F854.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
10:03 < nsh> "better to saw-saw, than to jaw-jaw." to paraphrase churchill
10:05 < kanzure> stalk: Demetrio Siragusa
10:05 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/dsiragusa
10:07 < kanzure> seems to be related to openp2pdesign.org
10:07 < kanzure> http://blog.ponoko.com/2008/11/04/new-odesign-site-geared-towards-source/#comment-11627
10:17 < kanzure> http://www.liquidware.com/
10:26 < kanzure> stalk complete :/
11:23 -!- jm|earth [n=jm@p57B9FCBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
11:23 -!- jm|afk [n=jm@p57B9FCBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
11:55 < kanzure> how do I combine two graphs in openoffice?
12:17 < kanzure> screw it, gnuplot is working fine
12:48 -!- PeerInfinity [i=PeerInfi@stnbmb01bbk-ac07-60-115.dial.mts.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
12:58 -!- PeerInfinity [i=PeerInfi@stnbmb01bbk-ac07-60-115.dial.mts.net] has quit []
13:01 < bkero> 'charts' in openoffice are pretty gimped
13:02 < bkero> It can't really compare to gnuplot or even gnumeric
13:20 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c49.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit ["on that note adieu"]
14:54 -!- fenn [n=foobar@c-98-223-187-235.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap
15:06 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
16:36 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
16:55 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
17:17 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap
17:30 < fenn> got her pretty well packed
17:34 < kanzure> heh, "Unfocused Brain" posted to the robotgroup his 'cnc etch-a-sketch'. 
17:35 < kanzure> quite literally with physical actuators on the two knobs.
17:36 < kanzure> might be fun to hook up a web cam to, and see if you can get a learning algorithm to figure out how to draw something on there involving selective pressures re: what's shown to the webcam.
17:36 < kanzure> (and then consequently replace with odd knobs every once in a while, not just the 2 for an etch-a-sketch)
17:45 < kanzure> fenn: do you know where to go?
17:45 < fenn> yes
17:46 < fenn> it's the one i thought it was on satellite view
17:46 < kanzure> oh? I don't have the address, you see
17:47 < fenn> 209 e ben white
17:48 < fenn> so, i'm off, any last requests?
17:48 < kanzure> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=209+e+ben+white,+austin+tx&jsv=145d&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,52.558594&ie=UTF8&latlng=30220711,-97762088,8066102674033727763&ei=GPqZSeb4IYusNq6RsawJ&sig2=SC65Uf3EJRB6UX8glEPBSA&cd=12
17:48 < kanzure> not in particular. call me if you get lost or randomly dead please.
17:48 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
17:48 < fenn> hopefully the car won't blow up
17:49 -!- fenn is now known as fenn_driving
18:02 < wrldpc> kanzure: Good question.
18:11 < kanzure> I'm so proud. My 12 year old sister just called me up wondering how to make a laser write words on a wall :-)
18:12  * kanzure finds a link
18:17 < kanzure> hm, apparently everyone is experimenting with exposure time these days
18:17 < kanzure> instead of rapid raster scanning
18:18 < kanzure> http://www.instructables.com/id/Micro-LASER-Show-with-a-CD-Lens-Mechanism/
18:26 < kanzure> "so far there is a low ceiling to the complexity of the shape.
18:26 < kanzure> with the current arduino code the shapes are coded as arrays of integers.
18:26 < kanzure> they are displayed in sequence on an endless loop. 
18:26 < kanzure> you do get great random variations and throbbing of the shape for free. :)"
18:29 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-128-82.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
18:34 < gene> http://www.physorg.com/news154027505.html
18:35 < gene> open source enzyme design software
18:35 < gene> can't find it
18:35 < gene> maybe you can
18:54 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
19:00 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap
19:33 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit []
19:41 -!- davidnunez [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap
21:08 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-128-82.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:26 -!- wrldpc [n=ben@173.48.207.37] has quit []
21:44 < samrose> yo kanzure your site is having trouble serving pages
21:45 < samrose> heybryan.org that is
21:53 < kanzure> samrose: yes, I didn't pay my bills
21:53 < kanzure> sorry, I'll get it up very soon
21:53 < kanzure> I just need to go log in somewhere and play with a few numbers a bit
21:53 < kanzure> how bad do you need it up? 
21:53 < kanzure> :)
21:53 < samrose> s'ok, just wanted to make sure you know
21:53 < kanzure> also, why the fuck is marc fawzi back?
21:53 < samrose> hahahahaha!!!!
21:54 < samrose> you've been fawzied!
21:55 < samrose> I should mirror your sites or something
21:56 < samrose> this is pretty cool kanzure http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/588e18e5c7650299?hl=en
22:02 < kanzure> :)
22:02 < kanzure> I wish to stab fawzi in the face over the internet
22:02 < kanzure> technically I moderate the open manufacturing list, so I could ban him
22:03 < kanzure> but Paul and Nathan are also moderators
22:04 < samrose> dude, that is hilarious. He used to email me about 3-4 years ago trying to rope me into some internet startup project he was working on
22:04 < samrose> well, it is not hilarious
22:04 < samrose> but, it is interesting that he has that affect on people
22:05 < samrose> this thing is very close the the step/sequence stuff that I have been working on http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/57c91e1db7b877c8?hl=en
22:06 < samrose> only, I would rather it be part of a package of tools that people can download use, and then combine media with their project releases
22:11 < samrose> I like the idea of fabber media, though
22:12 < samrose> A simple prototype client for playback of fabber media could be made using something like Adobe AIR, for instance
22:12 < samrose> same tool could also make it possible for people to add to media packages
22:15 < samrose> there are actually a few models, there is the "how to" which can usually use a step-sequence flow, then there is the book/ebook reference, which could be made up of whatever an end user wants to put into it
22:16 < samrose> the model for fabber media does not even require a publishing company entity
22:16 < samrose> all that it requires is that people produce and publish the media in findable ways
22:16 < samrose> end users can then source and combine and download and print if they want to print
22:17 < samrose> or, could be part of a package
22:17 < samrose> http://exelearning.org/ is a good tool
22:18 < samrose> for creating elearning/course-style or curriculum-type content
22:21 < samrose> I had some people at University of Michigan basically ask me to create a way to replace MS Word, GIMP, and iPhoto as tools for creating documentation of reverse engineering, and that is where I started work on creating software for doing that
22:31 < samrose> so, exe uses SCORM package system. Not that I am advocating that. But exe could also be extended to use other packaging systems, making the whole learning object exportable
22:44 < kanzure> reading
22:44 < kanzure> exe? like COM packages? really?
22:44 < kanzure> That's kinda a bad idea methinks :p
22:45 < kanzure> oh, exelearning
22:45 < kanzure> did you see odesigncommunity.com earlier today?
22:46 < kanzure> it was posted to openmanufacturing
22:46 < kanzure> samrose: if you post in response to my email on OM re: Marc, maybe you could mention that you've had troubles in the past (4 years) with him, that may be enough to get him out of our hair here. I could have even more a legitimate reason to ban him
22:47 < kanzure> anyway, have you seen some of the posts to diybio?
22:47 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio
22:47 < samrose> no, I have not.
22:47 < kanzure> basically it's the same exact topics that I talk about on OM
22:47 < kanzure> especially re: steps and protocols
22:47 < kanzure> so, one markup example I did the other day was pcr.xml
22:47 < kanzure> which is a writeup of the PCR protocol in an XML format that kind of sucks
22:47 < kanzure> I would prefer to redo it in YAML
22:47 < kanzure> anyway,
22:48 < kanzure> fenn has recently been doing some inventory writeups
22:48 < kanzure> which I think can be useful for comparing the "tools required" subsections of these packages
22:48 < kanzure> (the odesign post on OM mentions liquidware which uses zip files, but there's no "tool list" of requirements for making each of the packages, blah!)
22:48 < samrose> I don't think my writing about fawzi would have much effect to shut him up, I am afraid to tell you
22:49 < kanzure> no, just to inform the rest of the list
22:49 < kanzure> and then I might be able to discuss banning
22:49 < samrose> hmmm....
22:49 < samrose> let me think about a way to do that
22:50 < kanzure> yeah, be careful
22:50 < samrose> I barely participate on om list
22:50 < kanzure> maybe you can mention that.
22:50 < samrose> so, could look like I just come swooping out of nowhere
22:50 < kanzure> btw, the link above that you gave re: business models for toolbook; see my response to it.
22:50 < kanzure> have I told you about the austin fablab?
22:51 < samrose> yep, you told me about it
22:51 < kanzure> yay
22:51 < kanzure> yeah, so fenn's driving down at the moment.
22:51 < samrose> we talked about it here about a week ago
22:51 < kanzure> things are moving along well.
22:51 < samrose> great. that is awesome that you have access to that
22:52 < samrose> If I can think of a useful way to do what you ask me to do above I will
22:53 < kanzure> okay
22:54 < kanzure> anywho, the diybio people are very interested in working on open hardware projects, especially because those protocols (instruction sets) are already somewhat standardized throughout biology
22:54 < kanzure> but the problem is that there's only one XML DTD for protocol/instruction-set representation (which kind of sucks)
22:54 < kanzure> but looking over protocol-online.org is one way around that.
22:55 < kanzure> I guess the quickest way to do that would be to look over my posts
22:55 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=yXg5nREAAACnmNU9tKKhOFqHpeR7zr8WkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q
22:55 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?show=more&enc_user=yXg5nREAAACnmNU9tKKhOFqHpeR7zr8WkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q&group=diybio
23:02 < samrose> ok, I will look it over
23:02 < samrose> thanks kanzure
23:08 -!- samrose [n=samrose@sa-ga143065.reshsg.uci.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:13 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-128-82.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
23:36 < kanzure> hm, lifeboat foundation just interviewed me
23:38 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit []
23:39 < kanzure> "ABANDON SHIP"
23:40 < gene> yeah, and?
23:40 < gene> derisilab.ucsf.edu/core/mGuide_v3.1.pdf
23:40 < gene> oops
23:40 < gene> wrong link
23:40 < gene> did you see the enzyme design algorithm?
23:40 < gene> >	http://www.physorg.com/news154027505.html
23:52 < kanzure> yes, K*
23:54 < kanzure> "It should, in principle, be possible to redesign any enzyme simply by inputting the protein's shape into the algorithm and telling it what you want it to do.""
23:54 < kanzure> yep, that's how the origami crease pattern generators work
23:55 < kanzure> http://www.cs.duke.edu/brd/papers/
23:56 < kanzure> Part Orientation with One or Two Stable Equilibria Using Programmable Force Fields
23:56 < kanzure> A Distributed, Universal Device for Planar Parts Feeding: Unique Part Orientation in Programmable Force Fields