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00:48 < ybit> "I would be willing to volunteer programming time to assist.  I would recommend an ajax interface as that is universally supported.  It is actually quite easy to setup."
00:48 < ybit> :P
00:49 < ybit> okay, i guess that's fine for some.. but that's not what i had in mind when i read your email
00:53 < ybit> btw, i think william is in this channel...
00:53 < ybit> i forget which nick though
00:53 < ybit> ..if he is
00:53 < ybit> ooh, right wrldpc
00:54 < ybit> ajax man
00:54 < ybit> always wanting to make an ajax app :P
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08:08 < kanzure> ybit: wrldpc is not the person who suggested AJAX
08:08 < kanzure> that would be xp_prg
08:12 < kanzure> and you're right, AJAX is kind of "a thing that might happen way the hell into the future".
08:36 < ybit> aah yes, wrldpc
08:37 < ybit> argh, xp_prg
08:37  * ybit is off to get some coffee
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11:15 < kanzure--> I have some fules named rules2[ruleblah.xml.
11:16 < kanzure--> I'm trying to do this:
11:16 < kanzure--> rename "s/[\[]/\\/" *.xml
11:16 < kanzure--> however, rename says that the regex is not terminated (I've also tried without quotes)
11:16 < kanzure--> but \\ clearly means \, since \ is usually a special character
11:16 < kanzure--> [\[] should match for "[" (since "[" is a special character)-- I've also tried \[
11:17 < kanzure--> huh, it had to be \\\. thought I tried that.
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13:45 < bkero> erm
13:46 < bkero> To match [, you should do s/[
13:46 < bkero> Yea, your regex isn't terminated because the ] isn't escaped.
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15:08 < fenn> kanzure: i think dave's a little too eager to drink the corporate kool-aid.. however i appreciate his enthusiasm
15:09 < fenn> he talks about unptnt like it's a web-2.0 startup, but that's not fitting of it
15:14 < fenn> does he have any actual hardware projects in mind?
15:14 < fenn> realistic, achievable within six months sort of thing
15:39 < fenn> i really need to git-ify my home directory
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16:25 < davidnunez> from a dorkbot-boston member: http://tim.cexx.org/?p=575
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17:04 < gene__> hahahah steppin razor
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17:08 < kanzure> fenn: dave seems to have my energy that I otherwise direct to my fingers
17:08 < kanzure> hm, anissimov wants me to moderate an transhumanism-themed anime mailing list
17:08 < kanzure> *a
17:19 < fenn> perhaps if it had a vinyl cutter
17:30 < kanzure> fenn: one of his hardware projects was the hektor thingy but he used that as an example so I don't know if you mean something else
17:31 < fenn> i mean stuff he wants to do
17:32 < fenn> beyond aggregating plans
17:33 < kanzure> he and I talked afterwards, I suggested legos (as you could have guessed) 
17:33 < fenn> legos for unptnt?
17:34 < kanzure> that's about the max on the usefulness scale I can see out of this
17:34 < kanzure> yes
17:34 < kanzure> legos for seeding the parts library/database
17:34 < fenn> they arent exactly open designs
17:35 < fenn> i mean the configuration of blocks is. oh whatever nevermind
17:35 < kanzure> jdfkl;djflasdk
17:35 < kanzure> oh, the configuration is?
17:35 < kanzure> I mean, why is there leocad then?
17:35 < fenn> the original lego was patented until a couple years ago.. i'm sure the newer blocks are patented too
17:35 < kanzure> oh, sure
17:35 < kanzure> yeah, just the basic building blocks in legos
17:35 < fenn> and 99% of the people looking at unptnt won't be able to make legos from scratch
17:36 < kanzure> I don't think dave's interested in that
17:36 < kanzure> :/
17:36 < kanzure> but he should be.
17:36 < fenn> lego's arent designed for personal manufacture anyway
17:36 < fenn> something like extruded plastic t-slot framing would be interesting to try to make
17:36 < kanzure> I'm just saying, that seems to be about the max utility of this system
17:36 < kanzure> like "unptnt for the local lego user group"
17:37 < kanzure> it's not bad, but it's not going the distance
17:37 < fenn> yeah it's just a sourceforge clone at best (and I hate sf fwiw)
17:38 < kanzure> his packaging idea was ok I guess, 
17:38 < kanzure> the idea of attaching the cad files to the BOM items
17:38 < kanzure> but then you're not sure if the parts are named the same thing
17:38 < kanzure> erm, I mean, it's not cross-referenced
17:38 < kanzure> it's just "whatever they happen to upload to describe the parts"
17:39 < kanzure> blah, as if each person would upload "all possible information about this single screw in my design that is so large that a single screw doesn't matter that much"
17:39 < kanzure> that sounds unlikely now that I think about it
17:45 < kanzure> they have no incentive to be thorough, or make sense at all for that matter.
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18:27 < kanzure> http://www.baseplate.com/toys/minifig/ "THIS online toy allows one to explore combinations of LEGO® minifig body parts, combining them into unusual characters. Clicking on the small images of heads, torsos, and legs from the menu of choices places them in a work area. (Randomizers can also be used at this stage.) Once a suitable set of selections has been made, the virtual figure can be named and "built." This completed character appears in its own browser window, from which it is possible to output onto paper. (For those who have never done so, printing from a browser window is done by typing Cmnd-P in the MacOS, or Ctrl-P in Windows.)"
18:27 < kanzure> http://www.suave.net/~dave/lgc.cgi lego geek code generator
18:28 < kanzure> http://www.scottwardlaw.com/sticker_generator/ Lego CAD Sticker Generator
18:45 < gene__> what's all this with lego cad?
18:46 < gene__> trying to see if autocatalytic  sets exist in lego?
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18:53 < xp_prg> kanzure send me adp1
18:53 < samrose> kanzure, fenn, it is that problem of naming stuff that I am interested in
18:53 < samrose> for packaging
18:54 < samrose> but, I also am of the mind that it will emerge from a project that releases a design using a package system that is popular, and people will start following suit from there
18:55 < samrose> it won't be about the package system, it'll be about what is in it that gets a bunch of people using the system to get at and work with what is in it
18:55 < samrose> then, it'll quickly be about the package system :)
18:55 < samrose> you know how people are...
18:56 < fenn> yeah nobody cares about properly designed systems it seems
18:56 < samrose> until they are using a system that they think is not properly designed
18:56 < samrose> it's like being the bass player in a band
18:56 < samrose> nobody remembers who you are
18:57 < samrose> but your role is vital
18:58 < samrose> If I hear one more person say "He/she really 'gets' it" I am going to throttle someone :) (was at a conference where I kept hearing people say this in reference to other people)
19:00 < fenn> "it" being a specific thing or just stuff in general?
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19:22 < samrose> yeah "it" is never really defined. this always annoys the fuck out of me
19:23 < samrose> "he just gets it"
19:23 < samrose> nobody gets it
19:23 < samrose> or we would all be sitting on the beach and relaxing, because the guy who gets it would be taking care of everything for us
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20:29 < fenn> gene when are you going to bring over the reprap parts?
20:31 < kanzure> gene might come with dr. sata, who might be interested in dumping some money into the place, especially because of his new grant money from DARPA
20:31 < kanzure> but really he should be thought of as only providing that money
20:31 < kanzure> he's not really up to speed on what exactly this all .. means..
20:32 < fenn> how much money? ballpark figure
20:32 < fenn> and .. why?
20:33 < kanzure> well, I figure that if he's going to spend money, it might as well go in my direction, if I can provide what he's looking for
20:33 < kanzure> 6 figures.
20:33 < fenn> that ought to keep me stocked in chocolate for a while
20:34 < kanzure> right, so if it means he wants to somehow use the tools on occassion or something, maybe that could be arranged, or whatever- I don't know what will go down, but it's just an option I'm keeping open
20:34 < fenn> i must say this $65 mobo/cpu combo is much better than my old computer
20:34 < kanzure> I would have to tell les though that sata's not quite an individual to go into detail with about plans simply because he would run away
20:34 < kanzure> fenn: non-laptop?
20:35 < fenn> it's called "tubputer" because it's just a bunch of parts in a seafood container
20:35 < kanzure> heh
20:35 < kanzure> yes, that's the way to go :)
20:36 < kanzure> hm, $50k social innovation competition paperwork just fell off my desk. don't know if I'm going to enter into that. sata gave me the paperwork. I looked over what's already on the site, there's just not much there, but it seems to be a vote-based system, which means it automagically sucks.
20:36 < kanzure> *dell social innovation competition
20:36 < fenn> what would sata be doing in the fab? i'm always interested in people's projects
20:37 < kanzure> sata would be sending a student probably, to work on parts or something, I'm not really sure.
20:37 < kanzure> he seems to like the idea of making commercialized items, so it would be for prototyping stuff I guess
20:37 < kanzure> anyway, on to things that actually matter, since I haven't had a chance to talk with you since you've arrived really
20:38 < fenn> right
20:38 < kanzure> you mentioned it was more physical work than expected
20:38 < kanzure> to what extent does this need to be fixed?
20:38 < fenn> what was?
20:38 < kanzure> hm, the deal with les I guess? I don't know in particular.
20:39 < kanzure> have you talked with les much, does he seem to be everything I said and such?
20:39 < fenn> oh well he's a woodworker, and woodworking is sort of an ancient craft
20:39 < fenn> i sort of loathe table saws
20:39 < fenn> but i can put up with itif it keeps the whole place going
20:40 < kanzure> it was carissa's (sister's) birthday tonight, so mom, andrew and larry (old guy living with her) took me out to the Mongolian Grill,
20:40 < kanzure> we got to talking,
20:40 < kanzure> and mom was laughing about les' 13 inch drum sander
20:40 < kanzure> apparently 13 inches is tiny.. she once had a 30 inch drum sander.
20:40 < kanzure> (she has a woodworking shop of her own down in lockhart)
20:40 < fenn> yes we were talking about putting a 48" on the mechmate
20:41 < kanzure> blah, there's probably many things (project wise) that have been mentioned
20:41 < kanzure> we're kind of back to your original question "what do I do first"
20:41 < fenn> i know what to do first
20:41 < kanzure> sitting down and typing out a todo list would take many days
20:42 < fenn> synchronize all my computer crap, set up the electronics area, start working on motor drivers
20:42 < fenn> hm i need to make a programmer to program my programmers.. blah
20:42 < fenn> classic
20:42 < kanzure> a flasher?
20:42 < fenn> yes
20:42 < kanzure> I remember nasty schematics for making pic flashers
20:43 < kanzure> involving various resistors and capacitors arranged in odd patterns, connected to a serial port on a computer
20:43 < fenn> robo-club was soldering together some boards i had etched, so i took one, but the chip hasnt been flashed yet to enable USB
20:43 < kanzure> but that was the cheap-skate version
20:43 < fenn> yes i'll be making the equivalent for AVR to bootstrap
20:43 < kanzure> USB would be nice.
20:43 < fenn> unfortunately it only works with usb 2.0
20:43 < fenn> er, UHCI if that means anything to you
20:44 < fenn> or was it EHCI? the newer one
20:44 < kanzure> I once had an old external USB hard drive that did this funky ethernet over USB protocol.
20:44 < kanzure> really not something I'd recommend.
20:44 < kanzure> (that might have been more high-level than UHCI/ehci/ohci)
20:46 < fenn> do you know how to set timezone on linux without using some lamesauce GUI crap?
20:46 < kanzure> `date` ?
20:46 < fenn> tzset just tells me to add TZ=... to .profile, which doesn't work for system-wide things
20:47 < kanzure> there's also /usr/share/zoneinfo 
20:47 < kanzure> woah, neat, irssi has tab completion for directories
20:47  * kanzure is in heaven
20:48 < kanzure> symlink your /usr/share/zoneinfo/blah to /etc/localtime
20:48 < fenn> i was amazed when i first encountered readline completion for program arguments
20:48 < kanzure> you mean tab completion for arguments?
20:48 < fenn> yeah
20:48 < kanzure> I wonder how that works without a .ggo distributed with it.
20:49 < kanzure> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't for me
20:49 < kanzure> (based on program)
20:49 < fenn> aha Run 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' if you wish to change it.
20:52 < fenn> i should make a "dear lazyweb please send me this hardware kthx" page
20:52 < kanzure> "this"?
20:52 < fenn> for instance i need a hard drive and a beagleboard
20:53 < kanzure> I have an extra 500 GB floating around somewhere from the death-house
20:53 < fenn> i know there are tons of people with beagleboards laying around doing nothing
20:56 < kanzure> fabpal > myfab
20:57 < fenn> hard to pronounce
20:58 < kanzure> the retro way out: xfabuntu
20:58 < kanzure> (actually, the two other major TLDs are not taken for 'fabuntu')
20:58 < fenn> hmm what's the letter prefix for icewm?
20:58 < fenn> ifabuntu? :P
20:59 < fenn> given les' mac proclivities iFab would be pretty funny
20:59 < kanzure> or given his stacks of ipods.
21:03 < kanzure> fyi, opennovation doesn't have an openfoam backport.
21:03 < kanzure> opencascade, libmesh, deal.II, PETSc, Elmer, but no openfoam
21:03 < kanzure> elmer might be useful though
21:03 < kanzure> "
21:03 < kanzure> Elmer includes physical models of fluid dynamics, structural mechanics, electromagnetics, heat transfer and acoustics, for example. These are described by partial differential equations which Elmer solves by the Finite Element Method (FEM)."
21:03 < kanzure> (for some reason I'm already on the elmer mailing list, so.)
21:03 < kanzure> "Temperature distribution of melt flow in Czochralski growth of silicon."
21:03 < kanzure> http://www.csc.fi/english/pages/elmer
21:07 < fenn> xsel really ought to come with xserver-xorg
21:07 < fenn> unless there's some other preferred way
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21:31 < kanzure> had to hunt down a weird 'laspack' (linear algebra solver) for openflower (because I got tired of trying to install openfoam, elmer, etc.)
21:32 < kanzure> and now a bug because someone forgot to include math.h and to define INT_MAX (isn't that a compiler/preprocessor thingy anyway?)
21:32 < fenn> why isnt openfoam in debian?
21:32 < kanzure> because it's so hard to install :p
21:32 < kanzure> I should go ask the debian-science list that question
21:33 < fenn> supposedly there are rpm's
21:33 < fenn> http://www.rage.net/aero/
21:34 < fenn> http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.science/2008-04/msg00046.html
21:34 < kanzure>   maximumTimeSteps=INT_MAX;
21:35 < kanzure> any ideas as to what I should put there? I'm guessing it wants to know my maximum possible integer value
21:35 < kanzure> that's a kind of funny way to do it
21:35 < kanzure> oh, dot rpm's would be lovely.
21:35 < fenn> try including limits.h
21:37 < kanzure> yay
21:37 < kanzure> blah, "fabs was not declared in this scope"
21:37 < kanzure> this is a rather shady package. feels like it was meant for gcc 3.x.
21:39 < kanzure> oh, that might be from math.h
21:39 < kanzure> yep.
21:39 < fenn> bad build system
21:41 < kanzure> how do I link to local libraries (.a's)
21:41 < kanzure> "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -llaspack" even though liblaspack.a has been put into the dir.
21:41 < fenn> I did the installation by hand as well, and can't remember  any significant difficulties with installing it except in that there  were some environmental variables that I had to hack into my bash init  scripts.  --bryan bishop
21:41 < fenn> lol
21:42 < kanzure> for openfoam?
21:42 < fenn> yes
21:42 < kanzure> yeah, I rediscovered that this time
21:42 < kanzure> :(
21:42 < kanzure> fuck. 
21:44 < kanzure> ah, /usr/share/lib
21:45 < kanzure> do you know what -lxc might be? libxc?
21:45 < fenn> too bad you didnt say *what* environment vairables eh? : )
21:45 < kanzure> it's in the openfoam readme
21:45 < kanzure> they supply some additions to the bashrc file that you include via adding this line:
21:45 < kanzure> . ~/OpenFOAM/OpenFOAM-1.5.x/blah/blah/blah/bashrc
21:51 < kanzure> I meant to say /usr/local/lib above
21:52 < kanzure> huh, openflower is asking me for a "simulation data file", and openflower.sf.net has "coming soon!" for FAQ and 'Documentation' links.
21:52 < kanzure> neat..
21:53 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104134&package_id=114557
21:53 < kanzure> there we go.
21:56 < kanzure> out of 21 pages, only page 10 is useful, and even then it's sketchy. nowhere else does it mention a dependence on gmsh (though I should have guessed. openfoam does the same.)
22:01 < kanzure> god this is such a hack
22:01 < kanzure>   // read the block of the vertices
22:01 < kanzure>   inputFile >> keyword;
22:01 < kanzure>   assert(keyword == "$NOD");
22:01 < kanzure> ("assert failed")
22:07 < kanzure> http://www.rage.net/aero/4/i386/OpenFOAM-1.3-1.i386.rpm
22:10 < kanzure> http://www.mikero.com/blog/2009/02/20/more-darwin <- hah
22:11 < fenn> see what i mean about it sometimes being easier to just build it?
22:11 < kanzure> what?
22:11 < kanzure> it wasn't easier to just build it though :)
22:12 < fenn> what's this for again?
22:12 < kanzure> me me me me me, but eventually, I'd like to throw in my own partial differential equations and get those solved (which might be more suitable for octave)
22:12 < kanzure> in fact, I might as well just do some funky octave -> gnuplot visualizer
22:12 < kanzure> screw this
22:13 < kanzure> also just to get a feel for whether or not filters might work
22:13 < fenn> me = mechanical engineering? :P
22:13 < kanzure> no, me as in meeee
22:13 < kanzure> huh, the openfoam rpm installed successfully.
22:13 < fenn> yay
22:14 < fenn> now to see if it works
22:14 < kanzure> version 1.3 though. don't know how terribly old that is (1.5.x is newest)
22:14 < kanzure> blah, need to install jdk - I've gone so long without having to resort to jaa.
22:14 < kanzure> *java
22:15 < kanzure> do I want sun-java-6-jdk, sun-java5-jdk, openjdk-6-jdk, ?
22:18 < fenn> someone was recommending a certain non-sun JVM on #reprap the other day
22:18 < kanzure> blacksun?
22:18 < kanzure> there's one like that.
22:22 < fenn> it was called IcedTea
22:24 < fenn> so i guess that's just openjdk
22:35 < fenn> road bikes are rather hard to come by around here
22:37 < kanzure> btw, feel free to impose yourself for grabbing lunch with me any time. i'll pay.
22:37 < fenn> woo
22:39 < fenn> i could probably make a business out of importing road bikes from bloomington
22:40 < kanzure> yes, there seems to be a minor bike economy here on campus sort of.
22:41 < kanzure> http://disk.ersca.com/ports/science/openfoam/files/pkg-message.in <- how I found how to set FOAMX_CONFIG
22:43 < fenn> i love the %%%%%%
22:45 < fenn> seems to be some kind of debian repository?
22:45 < kanzure> foamTestInstallation -> FATAL ERROR: Test_rsh: Test_ssh: No remote shell available. Foam1.3 environment requires either ssh and/or rsh.
22:45 < kanzure> *conspiracy*
22:46 < fenn> oh maybe it's freebsd packages
22:47 < fenn> strace foamTestInstallation
22:59 < kanzure> http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/fab/ <- cad.py and such.. just something I need to remember to look into more often
23:00 < kanzure> kokompe?
23:02 < fenn> did anything ever come out of kokompe?
23:02 < fenn> it was something like a parts library/cad app iiirc
23:07 < fenn> interesting post about how not to run a fablab: http://scripts.mit.edu/~emu/fab/?p=842
23:07 < fenn> well, that's not the actual topic but it's what I get from it
23:10 < kanzure> "dingy grimy overalls… what has spending a year with the FabLab at their disposal done other than to cause them to covet machines and tools they can’t have?"
23:11 < kanzure> reads like something out of a history book
23:11 < fenn> yes i'm picturing spanner wrenches and golf caps
23:13 < fenn> i dont know who i was kidding, thikning i'd fix one linux install and then immediately start on another
23:14 < kanzure> git clone ssh://fabguru@fab.cba.mit.edu/srv/www/git-repos/content.git 
23:14 < kanzure> http://fab.cba.mit.edu/git-repos/
23:14 < kanzure> behold!
23:14 < fenn> whee
23:15 < kanzure> none are working
23:16  * fenn attempts wget
23:16 < fenn> use the rabbit virus!
23:16 < fenn> </hackers>
23:16 < kanzure> 8.7 MB in 108 files.
23:17 < kanzure> oh, that was only about.git
23:18 < fenn> wow 500kB/s download here
23:18 < fenn> excuse me 850
23:19 < kanzure> I wish 'locate' would sit and watch on the file system for new files to index, I'd really like to figure out where redhat would have put the FoamX configuration file
23:26 < fenn> these guys are hiring "basket builders" for organic produce.. would be awesome to convert this to robots http://www.greenling.com/
23:26 < fenn> (automating myself out of a job in the process)
23:27 < fenn> http://www.greenling.com/home/how_it_works
23:28 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-183-69.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap
23:28 < gene> so  fenn I heard you're in austin
23:29 < kanzure> I offered him lunch any time, so maybe he can meet us on campus
23:29 < kanzure> s/on/near/
23:30 < fenn> yes gene that is correct
23:30 < fenn> what's the best way to get to campus?
23:30 < gene> are you here on business?
23:30 < fenn> er.. yeah
23:30 < gene> ummmm...
23:30 < fenn> the business of TAKING OVER THE WORLD
23:31 < gene> you came down here on your own business?
23:31 < gene> try taking the bus
23:32 < gene> where are you currently?
23:32 < fenn> les's house
23:32 < kanzure> fenn: funny, I suggested to gene just moments ago that we needed to take over the world
23:32 < kanzure> fenn: is your car drivable still?
23:32 < fenn> yes it fared well
23:32 < kanzure> but there's a giant bus hub near the shop, but it will take an hour by bus to get into austin I think
23:32 < gene> you drove down here?
23:32 < kanzure> (google maps knows all)
23:33 < kanzure> obvious way to get to campus is to go up congress
23:33 < fenn> gene: i came to help get the fablabby started, so i brought a bunch of tools and electronic components
23:33 < gene> inventory?
23:33 < fenn> if i could rent a train car i would have..
23:33 < gene> I
23:34 < gene> would opt for a chinook helicopter 
23:34 < fenn> is there anything to do on campus at 1 am?
23:34 < kanzure> hm
23:34 < fenn> besides lunch :)
23:34 < gene> 1 am?
23:34 < gene> not really
23:34 < kanzure> there's a few places still open but it's a few blocks of a walk, if you want
23:34 < kanzure> not on campus
23:34 < kanzure> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=S+Congress+Ave+%26+Ben+White+Blvd,+Austin,+Travis,+Texas+78704&daddr=24th+Street+%26+Guadalupe&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&dirflg=r&date=02%2F20%2F09&time=11:33pm&ttype=dep&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=&tline=&sll=30.2569,-97.746866&sspn=0.104239,0.096302&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12&start=0
23:35 < gene> well lets see there's an anime screening going on
23:35 < kanzure> why wasn't I notified?
23:35 < gene> the anime doesn't have giant robots
23:35 < kanzure> that's why?
23:35 < kanzure> heh
23:35 < gene> kanzure it's every friday
23:35 < kanzure> today's friday? huh. okay.
23:36 < gene> ok, so I propose a beginning fablab project
23:36 < kanzure> 5 mi by bus = 1 hour. blah
23:36 < kanzure> 5 mi by car = 16 minutes. 
23:36 < gene> an easybake PCR thermocycler
23:37 < gene> hey, you know what?
23:37 < gene> I bet you could use a reprap as a PCR machine
23:37 < fenn> why do you have to live in this complicated hard to access place? :P
23:38 < gene> why not?
23:38 < fenn> because
23:38 < kanzure> hard to access?
23:38 < gene> they might invent teleporters tomorrow
23:38 < gene> kanzure, austin's pretty hard to get around in
23:38 < gene> where's the fablab again?
23:38 < gene> address?
23:39 < gene> I might try to bike there
23:39 < fenn> 209 E ben white
23:39 < kanzure> fenn: there are garages near campus, try googling for brazos garage, san jacinto garage
23:40 < gene> that's gonna be pretty far away
23:40 < gene> there's also parking meters
23:40 < kanzure> but no spaces
23:40 < kanzure> unless you go park near somewhere to eat
23:41 < kanzure> oh, wait, yeah, there should be some meters on guadalupe near 24th going in the opposite direction he'd be coming
23:41 < kanzure> which are free at late hours.
23:41 < gene> hmmm...
23:41 < gene> fablab looks like it's far away
23:42 < kanzure> how could you possibly be complaining about 5 miles :)
23:42 < gene> ok
23:43 < gene> anyway I can get a 3d map of austin to see the grade in the land?
23:43 < kanzure> ?
23:43 < kanzure> grade?
23:43 < kanzure> gradient?
23:43 < fenn> it's pretty flat
23:43 < fenn> tthere is a river, you might have seen it :)3~
23:44 < gene> yeah
23:44 < gene> I have
23:44 < gene> Now then, all I need is some sort of way to get down to the fablab real nice and fast
23:45 < fenn> i was on manchaca looking toward downtown.. couldnt figure out how far away it was because the ground was so flat
23:45 < gene> perhaps a small airship?
23:45 < kanzure> gene: les comes and picks me up sometimes.
23:45 < kanzure> but I don't know how often that is going to happen overall
23:45 < kanzure> he suggested that a friend of his, larry, might be doing that
23:45 < gene> I'll have to meet this les guy?
23:45 < kanzure> there's also the mores.
23:45 < gene> les who again?
23:45 < fenn> les is pretty cool
23:45 < kanzure> les your saint
23:45 < fenn> les filip
23:45 < gene> fenn what do you have that's useful?
23:46 < fenn> um, a brain? two hands and eyes?
23:46 < kanzure> "nothing :("
23:46 < gene> the parts you brought
23:46 < fenn> not sure what you mean.. i brought 651 pounds of the best stuff
23:46 < fenn> one moment
23:47 < gene> most interesting piece of junk?
23:48 < gene> any high voltage equipment? Lasers? Optics? Old missile guidance systems
23:49 < fenn> no
23:49 < gene> milling machine stuff?
23:50 < gene> robots?
23:50 < kanzure> dave has a bronze robotic arm ("which is not really a robot")
23:53 < gene> then it ain't robotic
23:53 < gene> it's a pseudorobot
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23:55 < fenn> whew ok
23:55 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/brought-labeled
23:56 < kanzure> heh, by mass :)
23:56 < gene> ok
23:56 < gene> you have a vacuum pump
23:57 < gene> how much of a vacuum can it pull?
23:57 < fenn> vacuum doesnt necessarily mean "high vacuum"
23:57 < fenn> it's for the vacuum bag
23:57 < gene> awww man...
23:57 < fenn> actually i havent seen it, so..
23:57 < fenn> but if you're going to mess around with high vacuum stuff you will need a lot of other things
23:57 < gene> how am I ever going to make a room temperature quasi-superconductor?
23:58 < fenn> best served by one of the physics labs on campus i bet
23:58 < fenn> (imagine that)
23:59 < gene> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0805/0805.0230.pdf
23:59 < gene> I want one
23:59 < fenn> yes i read it earlier
23:59 < kanzure> I have some notes on my server about making UHVs, if you're interested gene