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04:12 < bkero> Anybody on gentoo?
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07:08 < fenn> i wonder what's gotten into nathan
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07:52 < kanzure> https://fossbazaar.org/content/david-rowe-open-hardware-business-models
08:01 < kanzure> (from dave.)
08:51 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/ new issue.
08:51 < kanzure> hm, whuffie on the front cover?
09:01 < kanzure> fenn: there's an SME (Soc. of Manufacturing Engineers) meeting at UT today.
09:01 < kanzure> ETC 2.102 @ 6 pm. Student chapter. (I had to call Erhan Kutanoglu to get the information a moment ago, heh.)
09:01 < kanzure> http://www.me.utexas.edu/~erhank/
09:02 < kanzure> http://www.sme.org/cgi-bin/getsmepg.pl?/memb/texas.htm&&&SME&
09:02 < kanzure> I've never gone, so I don't know how useless it's going to be.
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11:20 < kanzure> heh, a model of intelligence as an agent under the effect of a potential field
12:00 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analysis
12:02 < kanzure> huh. method of calculating system availability: http://www.eventhelix.com/RealtimeMantra/FaultHandling/system_reliability_availability.htm (not surprising, but interesting.)
12:04 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fault_tree "In the technique known as "fault tree analysis", an undesired effect is taken as the root ('top event') of a tree of logic. There should be only one Top Event and all concerns must tree down from it. "
12:05 < kanzure> "The Tree is usually written out using conventional logic gate symbols. The route through a tree between an event and an initiator in the tree is called a Cut Set. The shortest credible way through the tree from fault to initiating event is called a Minimal Cut Set."
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14:23 < gene> I got some data for you kanzure
14:24 < gene> book scan data
14:27 < kkanzure--> neat
14:27 < kkanzure--> btw, are you going to the SME meeting tonight? 6 pm ETC 2.102 http://sme.org/
14:28 < gene> what's SME?
14:28 < gene> I'll go to it
14:30 < gene> maybe
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14:33 < gene> what's the meeting about?
14:33 < kkanzure--> it's the first meeting of the semester, so I don't know
14:35 < gene> ok
14:36 < gene> the books are a bunch of jpegs
14:36 < gene> should I put them into a pdf?
14:46 < kkanzure--> no, a zip of jpegs is better at this point
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17:05 < kanzure> hm, so SME is having someone from Freescale to come and talk
17:05 < kanzure> don't know if that's a good idea.. freescale nearly killed my dad :)
17:12 < xp_prg> kanzure do you like patents and copyrights on dna/cells etc.. ?
17:21 < kanzure> no
17:21  * kanzure is reading over the liquid thin film papers
17:21 < kanzure> liquid thin film motor papers
17:21 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Liquid%20Film%20Motor.pdf
17:21 < xp_prg> kanzure do you know what dna/cells are not patented?
17:21 < kanzure>  https://fossbazaar.org/content/david-rowe-open-hardware-business-models
17:21 < kanzure> wtf bad paste sorry. 
17:22 < kanzure> no, but I'd just ignore those types of patents and legal bullshit
17:22 < xp_prg> that is how I feel too
17:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Liquid%20Film%20Motor%20-%20part%202%20-%20Rotating%20Electrohydrodynamic%20Flow%20in%20a%20Suspended%20Liquid%20Film.pdf
17:23 < kanzure> so in this effect, water undergoes rotational motion due to tangental velocities at the edges of the rectangular box in which it is placed
17:23 < kanzure> I'm wondering though to what extent it would be possible to control the shape or pattern of the rotational motion by switching multiple electrical fields, or something
17:25 < kanzure> "
17:25 < kanzure> - the theoretical work leads to at most one steady vortex in a container, but the experimental results show both one and two. The two vortex results may, of course, be transient."
17:25 < kanzure> "
17:25 < kanzure> - the theoretical results have flow speeds largest at the outer boundary. The experimental results have it increasing towards the center. This may be explainable by other effects, such as surface tension, but it is a discrepancy."
17:26 < kanzure> "That device sounds like a parietal accelerator [mhdprospects.com] wound into a loop. French scientist Jean-Pierre Petit suggested it would make an ideal submarine propulsion method."
17:26 < kanzure> http://www.mhdprospects.com/
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18:39 < fenn> oh no, you're showing off my pile of bench crap on diybio?
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19:21 < fenn> lol xp_prg just doesn't learn
19:21 < xp_prg> what you talking about fenn?
19:22 < fenn> your repeated requests for a list of "safe" cells and dna
19:23 < fenn> give it a couple days between repeat postings at least
19:24 < xp_prg> why does it take so long?
19:24 < xp_prg> how can people not know this?
19:28 < fenn> because most people don't sit at their computers constantly waiting for email from DIYbio
19:28 < fenn> and there are millions and millions of "safe" organisms.. so you are putting the burden of deciding what you want on their shoulders
19:33 < kanzure> fenn: how should I deal with these recent Nathan issues?
19:35 < kanzure> I am thinking of replying with this:
19:35 < kanzure> "In particular, most of the programming and engineering work has gone into the construction of the pipeline and toolchain tools (yay for verbal redundancy). In particular, this is so that engineering doesn't take place on wikis, or in videos, or in crazy-ass weird places where it doesn't really belong. So, that's partly why I have been having such a negative reaction to your recent links to wiki articles and requests for us to do all of the legwork for you re: googling up tutorials related to development toolchain technologies."
19:35 < kanzure> "So, that's partly why I have been having such a negative reaction to your recent links to wiki articles and requests for us to do all of the legwork for you re: googling up tutorials related to development toolchain technologies."
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19:43 < fenn> he's not trying to do engineering on a wiki, it's documentation
19:43 < fenn> it's "why should we care about these projects you're working on"
19:43 < fenn> but in a persistent format, not a mailing list
19:43 < fenn> really he should be copying old posts from OM or openvirgle to his wiki page
19:44 < fenn> but i guess people are lazy
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19:53 < xp_prg> fenn is adp1 safe in your opinion?
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20:16 < PeerInfinity> what wiki are you talking about?
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20:33 < fenn> xp_prg: yes, but i'm sure you'll get 99 different opinions
20:34 < fenn> PeerInfinity: http://www.appropedia.org/Fab_Focus
20:35 < fenn> ok, some of it is redundant/in poor choice of format
20:35 < fenn> bah.. it's not my job to defend everyone
20:37 < kanzure> blah, mom fearmongering me saying I'm going to be thrown off on to the streets
20:37 < kanzure> (bad test scores)
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21:42 < kanzure> fenn: slow? what?
21:47 < kanzure> it's tomorrow
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22:15 < fenn> today's the 26th
22:16 < fenn> oh. it is tomorrow
22:16 < fenn> damn calendar apps
22:16 < kanzure> bwahah.
22:17 < fenn> another friday 13th so soon
22:17 < fenn> well i will probably be at shopbot camp but who knows
22:18 < kanzure> tomorrow? should I go?
22:18 < fenn> to shopbot camp?
22:19 < fenn> it's also on saturday
22:22 < kanzure> man how I hate to think about money. should I go ask andrew hessel for money?
22:22 < kanzure> or something?
22:22 < kanzure> I'm so confused, my mom called to yell at me today about bad grades, and fearmongering about being out on my own over the summer
22:23 < kanzure> so should I go say "Please give me money" ?
22:23 < kanzure> or something?
22:23 < kanzure> (he doesn't have any)
22:30 < fenn> i thought you had multiple lab jobs?
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22:37 < fenn> off to the fabratory to make some pulleys for the gingery lathe
22:37 < fenn> the great thing about bootstrapping is you get to do it over and over again!
22:40 < kanzure> hm, it's 6 months out from PA's side of things.
22:40 < kanzure> fenn: yes, but those lab jobs are dependent on my being a student.
22:55 < ybit> say what fenn is @ a fabratory?
22:56 < ybit> is feen living in austin now?
22:56 < ybit> fenn*
23:01 < kanzure> yes, fenn is living in austin.
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23:23 < xp_prg> fenn how can I get some adp1?
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23:31 < kanzure> Hey katmeow1.
23:32 < katmeow1> hi kanzure
23:32 < kanzure> What's up?
23:32 < kanzure> Do we know you? :)
23:32 < katmeow1> no, fenn does tho
23:32 < katmeow1> he invited me a couple days ago,, Monday nite, i think it was
23:33 < katmeow1> but i can go if i shouldn't be here
23:33 < kanzure> neat
23:33 < kanzure> nah, just wondering
23:33 < kanzure> always nice to poke at a new person.
23:33 < katmeow1> so what happens here? fenn was vague
23:34 < kanzure> that depends, what context was he vague in?
23:34 < kanzure> heh
23:35 < katmeow1> the context was "what happens in here"
23:35 < kanzure> I guess that's what I get for asking a vague question about a vague issue.
23:35 < kanzure> Anyway, we do engineering, programming, pissing and moaning, all sorts of fun stuff.
23:36 < katmeow1> ah
23:36 < kanzure> it's kind of hard to summarize
23:36 < katmeow1> well, i was welding earlier, and doing a lil lite coding, does that count?
23:36 < kanzure> hm, was it good code?
23:37 < katmeow1> it did as it was told, i spose so
23:37 < kanzure> that'll do.
23:37 < katmeow1> and i fed the cat spagetti
23:37 < kanzure> yeah, I was playing around with construqtor earlier today for instance
23:37 < kanzure> as a way to do some automated design involving joints and bars/linkages.
23:37 < katmeow1> that sounds nix-y
23:37 < kanzure> I'm a very *nix person
23:38 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/construqtor/
23:38 < katmeow1> i have never gotten a working nix instal :-(
23:38 < kanzure> are you local?
23:38 < kanzure> that's something that can be fixed.
23:38 < katmeow1> depends on how "local" is defined
23:38 < kanzure> austin
23:39 < kanzure> I'm trying to figure out if he was out and about on Monday night
23:39 < katmeow1> not too far, i guess, a day's drive
23:39 < kanzure> blah, I'm not responsible for keeping track of fenn. that's ybit's job this month.
23:39 < kanzure> katmeow1: http://heybryan.org/ is me.
23:39 < UtopiahGHML> ( for the guy who was logging his sleep pattern : http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/yawnlog_a_social_sleep_tracker.php )
23:40 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: Did you see my meetlog?
23:40 < katmeow1> umm,, you must be talking with someone on my ignore list
23:40 < UtopiahGHML> nop
23:40 < kanzure> katmeow1: I don't think so.
23:40 < kanzure> UtopiahGHML: http://heybryan.org/shots/2009-02-24_meetlog.png
23:40 < kanzure> y-axis is number of people, x-axis is days.
23:41 < UtopiahGHML> (was going to say "meh axies without labels" ;)
23:41 < kanzure> yeah, I neglected to configure gnuplot
23:41 < UtopiahGHML> to study your "social scalability" progresses?
23:42 < kanzure> somewhat, but also just because of beginning to obsessively keep a log.
23:43 < UtopiahGHML> soon we'll need to keep a metalog, a log of what you log, and see how effective each were and how globaly it affected us :-#
23:45 < UtopiahGHML> (ok, back to sleep, Ill hide from my non-existing logs I connected in the middle of the nigh ;)
23:45 < UtopiahGHML> (PS : SingularityReligion'08 2nd batch of video available http://singinst.org/media/singularitysummit2008 )
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