--- Day changed Sat Feb 28 2009 00:00 < kanzure> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/counting.htm 00:00 < fenn> gene http://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/index.html 00:00 < fenn> watch the video 00:00 < gene> Seen it 00:00 < gene> I get it 00:01 < kanzure> are there any cheap and commonly available photopolymerization agents? 00:01 < kanzure> i.e., shine a UV led and it polymerizes? 00:01 < fenn> kodak makes some for PCB masking 00:01 < fenn> awful stuff i'm told 00:01 < gene> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/02/howto_working_gears_from_junk_mail.html 00:02 < gene> cheap photopolymerization agents 00:02 < kanzure> I want wax that is photopolymerizable. 00:02 < kanzure> but this isn't likely. 00:02 < gene> hey will 8 mm film making supplies work? 00:02 < kanzure> hm? 00:02 < kanzure> what does that include? 00:03 < gene> store near you sells photoresponsive stuff 00:03 < gene> 8 mm film is small 00:03 < fenn> 8mm just changes color 00:03 < fenn> it doesnt turn solid or liquid 00:03 < gene> argh 00:04 < fenn> i think you pasted the wrong url 00:04 < gene> in that case stamp making supplies 00:04 < gene> oh that 00:04 < gene> that IS NOT A GEAR 00:04 < fenn> indeed 00:04 < fenn> it's a cog :P 00:04 < gene> yeah 00:04 < fenn> cogwheel if you want to get technical 00:04 < kanzure> thiolene prepolymer? 00:05 < kanzure> screw this, what about all of this "gel casting" talk on diybio? 00:05 < fenn> what about it 00:05 < gene> noobies 00:05 < gene> How do I make gello mold? 00:06 < kanzure> nevermind 00:06 < fenn> another 80 messages .. reading email is turning into a part-time job 00:06 < kanzure> you can only come up with casting, and molds, but whatever 00:06 < gene> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-your-Own-Polymer-Stamps/ 00:06 < gene> photopolymer 00:06 < gene> not exactly cheap 00:07 -!- worldpeace [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 00:07 < gene> but available 00:07 < kanzure> hm, maybe glue that only hardens in response to UV light 00:08 -!- worldpeace [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:08 < gene> http://www.physorg.com/news154951518.html 00:09 < gene> delete 00:09 < kanzure> http://www.deco-coat.com/uv.html 00:09 < kanzure> UV curable resins? 00:09 < gene> delete ebola 00:09 < kanzure> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?70,8372,21441 UV curable resins 00:09 < gene> and ways to make them ? 00:09 < gene> and ways to make them! 00:09 < gene> I mean 00:11 < gene> kmoddl time 00:21 < kanzure> http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/1535-5535/PIIS1535553504032903.pdf 00:21 < kanzure> blargh. 00:25 < gene> http://kmoddl.library.cornell.edu/model.php?m=137&movie=show 00:28 * fenn grumbles about paywalls 00:29 < kanzure> Photosensitive Polymer from Ionic Self-Assembly of Azobenzene Dye and Poly(ionic liquid) and Its Alignment Characteristic toward Liquid Crystal Molecules 00:29 < kanzure> " Highly ordered lamellar nanostructure and photosensitive character were confirmed. Under the irradiation of pulsed UV laser with certain fluences, a pronounced optical anisotropic surface with the preferred direction perpendicular to the pulsed polarization or regular periodic grooves microstructure surface parallel to the pulsed polarization was obtained." 00:30 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Photosensitive%20Polymer%20from%20Ionic%20Self-Assembly%20of%20Azobenzene%20Dye%20and%20Poly(ionic%20liquid)%20and%20Its%20Alignment%20Characteristic%20toward%20Liquid%20Crystal%20Molecules.pdf 00:39 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:54 < kanzure> http://315thomas.blogspot.com/2008/08/adventures-with-uv-resin.html 00:54 < kanzure> " recently, i found a product called magic glos, which is just like regular resin except there is no mixing involved and it cures under a uv light or sunlight." 00:55 < kanzure> " 00:55 < kanzure> Magic-Glos is a one-part formula (no mixing required) that cures in about 5-10 minutes in direct sunlight or under an ultraviolet fluorescent " 00:55 < kanzure> "Lisa Pavelka is now marketing a new UV cured resin, Magic-Glos. " 00:55 < kanzure> http://www.scrapbookexpress.com/lipasisema.html 00:55 < kanzure> 1 oz bottle is $10 00:56 < fenn> not very much resin in that little bottle 00:56 < kanzure> what is it? besides patented. 00:56 < fenn> probably acrylic with photo-initiators 00:56 < kanzure> is that difficult to come up with? 00:56 < fenn> methyl methacrylate i mean 00:57 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 00:57 < fenn> i remember something about keeping fiberglass resin out of sunlight.. maybe it's UV reactive 00:57 < fenn> of course not all UV's are created equal 00:58 < kanzure> "The freshly laid-up or "green" boat hulls and decks are sometimes exposed to direct sunlight to facilitate drying and curing the fiberglass resins 00:58 < kanzure> " 00:58 < kanzure> "fiberglass paint" 00:59 < kanzure> UV curable paint would also be nice 01:00 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit [] 01:02 < kanzure> http://builders.reprap.org/2008/02/cheap-reliable-uv-resins-confirmed.html 01:30 < kanzure> nail polish. 01:31 < kanzure> water curable polyurethane resin 01:31 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-71-198-6-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:32 < kanzure> what is the thickness of nail polish? 01:33 < kanzure> bwahah, microfluidic circuits on fingernails 01:43 < gene> you know I might have to go back to the library to scan in the fluidics article talking about making fluidic ICs with photopolymer 01:43 < gene> see what they used 02:03 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-71-198-6-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:04 < fenn> wow. http://openwetware.org/wiki/2020(S09)_Lecture:week_1 02:06 < fenn> i dont know why i find this page so alluring 02:09 < kanzure> why is nailpolish lithography not turning anything up 02:09 < kanzure> yet there's lots of results for 'nail polish art' 02:10 < fenn> because "nailpolish" is a consumer item, silly 02:10 < kanzure> shit, I just realized the cultural plot behind the Nail Polish Art initiative 02:10 < fenn> research labs don't use consumer items 02:10 * kanzure thinks of nailing Polish art 02:10 < kanzure> where can I buy nail polish in bulk? 02:10 < kanzure> everything on amazin is like 0.5 oz. 02:10 < kanzure> *amazon 02:11 < fenn> hint: you're doing it wrong 02:12 < kanzure> hm. 02:12 < kanzure> should I ask nicely? 02:12 < kanzure> alibaba, maybe? 02:12 < fenn> don't use nail polish 02:12 < kanzure> what's better? 02:12 < kanzure> and a consumer item. 02:12 < fenn> possibly fiberglass resin 02:12 < kanzure> links. 02:12 < fenn> gah 02:12 < kanzure> otherwise it doesn't exist :/ 02:13 < fenn> do you want me to google for you? 02:13 < kanzure> well, fiberglass resin was a term I've googled tonight 02:13 < kanzure> it didn't really go anywhere substantial 02:13 < fenn> http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/bondo-polyester-fiberglass-resin-p-70704.html?ref=42 02:13 < kanzure> lots of bullshit web pre-1.0 ad sites 02:13 < kanzure> volume? 02:14 < fenn> i've seen 1 gallon cans 02:14 < kanzure> what wavelengths is it curable at? 02:14 < fenn> also, fwiw nail polish is methacrylate 02:14 < fenn> source of methacrylate might be the clear casting resin at hobby/craft stores 02:15 < kanzure> so I was thinking of printing out some silly patterns and running food coloring dyes through it, on laminated papers, which I would let float in a tiny rectangular bed of methacrylate tomorrow 02:16 < kanzure> and then put that under a big uv lamp in the bio lab 02:16 < kanzure> but lamination, as gene pointed out, isn't necessarily going to be flat 02:16 < fenn> UV cure lacquer might be methacrylate? 02:16 < fenn> if you're serious about this I bet les knows all about it 02:17 < kanzure> yeah, I emailed my mom about nailpolish, she does all sorts of woodworking refenishing with nasty cancer-causing chemicals too 02:17 < fenn> ah wonderful 02:17 < fenn> i mean, um, my condolences 02:17 < kanzure> heh 02:17 < gene> I'm telling you kanzure, CA glue is the way to go 02:17 < kanzure> CA? 02:17 < fenn> CA is water catalyzed 02:17 < kanzure> cyanoacrylate? 02:17 < gene> yes 02:18 < gene> kanzure, let's make us some logic gates 02:18 < kanzure> I just want to send some dye through it first, then I'll think big 02:19 < fenn> http://www.qcsupply.com/Products/581.aspx?cm_ven=Shopping%20Engine&cm_cat=Froogle&cm_pla=Building%20Supplies&cm_ite=KB25%20Acrylic%20Resin%20-%201%20Gallon 02:19 < fenn> farm supply? who would have guessed 02:20 < fenn> hmm nevermind 02:20 < gene> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Fluidics%20Quaterly%206/50.jpg 02:20 < gene> it's practically ready to go 02:21 < kanzure> the silhouettes? 02:21 < kanzure> curvature of the book when it was scanned in? :( 02:21 < gene> exactly 02:21 < gene> argh 02:21 < gene> nah they're pretty flat 02:22 < kanzure> .. 02:22 < fenn> looks like crop circles 02:23 < gene> oh god 02:23 < fenn> GENE I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING 02:24 < gene> let's just don an and gate then 02:24 < kanzure> where's a lamination machine? 02:24 < gene> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Fluidics%20Quaterly%206/48.jpg 02:24 < gene> library, university copy center 02:26 < fenn> is there a place on campus where they do huge inkjet prints for small sums of money? 02:26 < kanzure> how huge? 02:26 < gene> I don't know 02:26 < kanzure> I have lab access to printers, so.. 02:26 < gene> but I've seen huge inkjets 02:26 < fenn> let's say 36"x72" 02:27 < gene> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZmicrofilmQ20cameraQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZ 02:27 < gene> I wonder if we have a microfilm camera 02:27 < kanzure> why? 02:27 < fenn> huh? what's that for? 02:28 < gene> for making copies of documents 02:28 < gene> tiny copies of documents 02:29 < gene> used to be real popular a while back 02:29 < gene> why? 02:29 < gene> so we can layout complex fluidic circuits 02:29 < kanzure> finger nail tips that glow when your partner has teh aids. 02:30 < gene> congrats you've found a killer app 02:30 < fenn> rofl 02:30 < kanzure> fenn gets it :/ 02:31 < gene> I get it 02:31 < gene> how do microfluidic circuits like that work anyway? 02:31 < fenn> you just add some magic dust to shrinky dinks 02:31 < gene> a reacts with b, then what? 02:32 < fenn> and then voila! instant immunoassay 02:33 < gene> hey I got a UV led, wonder if that will work 02:34 < gene> you know if we you shine a UV led through a microscope then you have a focused beam of UV light pointed at whatever you are looking at under the microscope 02:35 < kanzure> http://www.bellasugar.com/2627519 woman paints entire car with nail polish; rain water computes fibannaci sequence but only when going 88 mph. 02:35 < kanzure> *fibonacci 02:35 < gene> bacteria zapper 02:36 < gene> fibonacci? screw that, run a cellular automata or something 02:36 < kanzure> I like how the first result is 'woman paints car with nail polish" 02:36 < kanzure> and the third one is "removing nail polish off a car" 02:36 < gene> So I've been thinking of something 02:36 < kanzure> the second one is "ebay Find of the Day: WTF?!?! The Nail Polish Art Car for $60k ..." 02:37 < gene> so you can make fluidic sound sensors and fluidic control circuitry 02:38 < gene> so why not making some sort of fluidic sound source tracking robot? 02:38 < gene> one that homes in engine noises 02:40 < gene> like idling cars 02:40 < gene> approach idling car, steal gas run away 02:40 < gene> find another car 02:40 < fenn> approach idling car, wash windshield, demand $5 02:41 < gene> yeah that would work too 02:41 < gene> but think about it, cylinder engines have a distinct sound 02:41 < gene> wheels going down the road do also 02:42 < gene> maybe even figure out how fast the car is going using the doppler effect 02:43 < gene> I really want to make a fluidic robot 02:43 < fenn> approach idling car, present doppler effect data, blackmail for gasoline in return for not handing data over to police 02:44 < gene> yeah 02:46 < fenn> you know kanzure the fingernail immunoassay is really a great idea 02:46 < kanzure> wonder if it could work within 5 to 15 minutes. 02:46 < gene> yeah, but how do you keep an immunoassay good sitting on your fingernail? 02:47 < kanzure> what are you asking? 02:47 < gene> don't you have to refrigerate immunoassays? 02:47 < gene> protect them from UV at the very least? 02:48 < kanzure> " 02:48 < kanzure> Clearview Complete HIV 1/2 and Clearview HIV 1/2 Stat-Pak are rapid tests for the detection of HIV 1 and HIV 2 antibodies in blood, serum, or plasma samples. Results are provided within 15 minutes." 02:49 < kanzure> "iDiagnostics Rapid HIV Test distributes a WHO and UNICEF approved, non-FDA-approved home test. The company sells a blood test and a urine test. Similar to a home pregnancy test the patient collects a drop of blood/urine and drops the sample onto a cassette. Results are read visually in 15 minutes." 02:50 < fenn> why 15 minutes? 02:50 < gene> well I'm goggling out 02:50 < kanzure> "NOTICE to United States customers: due to FDA regulations, we do not and cannot ship orders to addresses in the United States." 02:50 < fenn> this should be marketed as an "adult novelty" 02:50 < kanzure> "Our flagship product is a rapid HIV home-testing kit. An HIV test is diagnostic test that determines the presence of HIV infection in human blood. Similar to a home pregnancy test, our rapid test gives results in as little as 3 minutes" 02:51 < kanzure> hrm, 3 minutes 02:51 < fenn> though really teenagers are probably the best target demographic 02:51 < gene> yeah, but can you convince people who are drunk to use it? 02:51 < fenn> gene: you put it on before you go out 02:51 < gene> man, some people are going to hate this 02:52 < kanzure> no 02:52 < kanzure> fingernail stylings are popular. 02:52 < kanzure> and it gets close to the source. 02:52 < gene> yeah I know that 02:52 < fenn> "teen novelty" doesnt really convey anything does it 02:53 < gene> people as in the religious right 02:53 < kanzure> oh please. 02:53 < kanzure> nobody cares. 02:53 < fenn> it doesn't matter what they say, any publicity is good publicity 02:54 < gene> yup 02:54 < gene> and trolling is fun 02:54 < fenn> no legislator in their right mind would ban condoms 02:55 < fenn> even though religious wackjobs of all kinds are against them 02:55 < kanzure> I like the Family Guy quote on this topic. "if you use a condom, your penis will fall off and into the ninth dimension of hell." 02:55 < gene> so what do we need to do to make this real? 02:55 < gene> should we carry out any experiments tomorrow? 02:56 < fenn> "We ended up using my design choice because I am more stubborn. This is not a great success story in terms of teamwork, but it did produce the best plane in the class." 02:56 < kanzure> I'll probably show up at the lab with some nail polish 02:56 < gene> what lab? 02:56 < kanzure> sata's. 02:56 < gene> it's usually closed on the weekends? 02:56 < kanzure> uh? 02:56 < kanzure> I have a key? 02:56 < gene> I wouldn't use the microscope 02:56 < gene> yeah but the building itself is locked 02:57 < kanzure> I doubt that 02:57 < kanzure> grad students? 02:57 < fenn> so, maybe i'm clueless bout this but seems the magic dust is more important than the microfluidic channels 02:57 < kanzure> fenn: magic dust? 02:57 < gene> it is on sunday 02:57 < fenn> i'd want an array of antibody detection spots for many different pathogens that change color on exposure 02:57 < kanzure> right 02:58 < kanzure> btw, joseph jackson has been working on this for some other things 02:58 < kanzure> guido actually. joseph is just helping to commercialize it. 02:58 < kanzure> I mean, color-changing ATP-related reactions 02:58 < fenn> cool, what are they working on? 02:58 < kanzure> for disease detection 02:58 < gene> hmm... can you actually make it this small? 02:58 < kanzure> well, besides the small portable pcr machine thingy, 02:58 < kanzure> iirc, some method of diagnosing a disease. 02:59 < kanzure> involving color-changing liquid 02:59 < gene> why not keychain sized with throaway packets 02:59 < kanzure> I have the talk recorded somewhere actually :) 02:59 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobarcamp/ 02:59 < kanzure> yay 03:00 < kanzure> it is the third one 03:00 < fenn> -_- 03:00 < kanzure> but I was being an idiot, don't listen to me 03:00 < kanzure> let me go back over it. 03:00 < worldpeace> i'd like a transdermal patch with a microfluidics lab on a chip to tell me concentrations of vitamins/minerals I have in my blood. protein etc. 03:00 < kanzure> oh, it's PCR 03:01 < fenn> i'd like any sort of microfluidics "lab on a chip" but so far it all seems to be vapor hypeware 03:01 < kanzure> fenn, how are biology slides made? 03:01 < kanzure> the ones with trapped samples? 03:02 < fenn> like for class demos? 03:02 < kanzure> yes 03:02 < kanzure> do they weld the edges shut? 03:02 < fenn> some kind of varnish 03:02 < fenn> i used to do that with my parents' microscope 03:02 < fenn> cover slip glue 03:02 < kanzure> hm. 03:03 < fenn> http://www.shopmedvet.com/product/7930/71 03:03 < fenn> it wasn't superglue i dont t hink 03:03 < kanzure> it would be nice to have a box of different fluidic circles on slides. 03:03 < kanzure> *circuits 03:03 < kanzure> or patterns. 03:04 < fenn> there's no way i'm going to watch that video 03:04 < kanzure> don't. 03:04 < kanzure> I really don't recommend it 03:04 < kanzure> it's just PCR anyway, I browsed through it 03:10 < kanzure> http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/LC/ 03:10 < kanzure> yeah, I need to do a rip of this journal. 03:10 < kanzure> "Effect of channel geometry on cell adhesion in microfluidic devices" 03:11 < kanzure> hm, cellulose acetate fabrication via e-beam lithography 03:12 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9DE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:12 * kanzure sleeps 03:18 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:22 < kanzure> CD immunoassay is slightly more practical now. 04:07 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9DE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:09 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:00 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:09 < UtopiahGHML> kanzure: regarding social scalability http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13176775 and the more relax http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_many_facebook_friends.php 06:13 -!- jookos2 [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:19 -!- jookos2 [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:20 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:36 < fenn> social scalability is a lie. you don't have that many friends regardless what facebook says 06:39 * fenn reads the article 08:01 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:29 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 09:42 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit ["leaving"] 10:47 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:06 < kanzure> http://www.medeabeauty.com/shields.htm nail polish stencils 11:06 < kanzure> http://www.airheadairbrush.com/Fingernail.htm 11:06 < kanzure> http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Hand-painted_20at_20home_20nail_20stencils 11:10 < kanzure> http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/spray-on_20nailpolish 11:10 < kanzure> http://www.diginailart.com/ 11:16 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Performing%20chemical%20reactions%20in%20virtual%20capillary%20of%20surface%20tension-confined%20microfluidic%20devices%20-%20sharpies%20-%20nail%20polish%20-%20glass%20surfaces%20-%20hydrophobicity.pdf 11:16 < kanzure> a must-read :-) 11:17 < kanzure> "A one-step thick film printing process has been established for patterning hydrophobic polyvinyl chloride (PVC) substrate materials with hydrophilic cellulose acetate." 11:18 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/The%20design%20and%20fabrication%20of%20autonomous%20polymer-based%20surface%20tension-confined%20microfluidic%20platforms.pdf 11:21 < kanzure> hey, what's the resolution of that e-ink voodoo magic? 11:22 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Refreshable%20microfluidic%20channels%20constructed%20using%20an%20inkjet%20printer.pdf 11:22 < kanzure> Refreshable microfluidic channels constructed using an inkjet printer 11:23 < kanzure> "This paper describes microfluidic channels that can be erased and then reconstructed. These channels were constructed between two stacked glass slides. These slides had ground and hydrophobic surfaces, and a line had previously been drawn on their surfaces using an inkjet printer with a water-soluble liquid as its “ink”." 11:23 < kanzure> "A water solution was injected between the slides, and it flowed along the previously drawn line by itself. Thus, a channel filled with the solution was formed, though there was no real groove on the slides. We investigated the application of various liquid materials as the “ink” based on their viscosity, boiling point, solubility in water, etc." 11:23 < kanzure> " A suitable material was 2-(2-ethoxyethoxy)ethanol. The channel width that we could obtain ranged from 470 to 3000 μm. We could rapidly construct straight, curved, and crossed channels. In addition, we could erase these channels by rinsing with acetone and then reconstruct them using the same procedure." 11:25 < kanzure> Fabrication of microsensors using unmodified office inkjet printers 11:25 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Fabrication%20of%20microsensors%20using%20unmodified%20office%20inkjet%20printers.pdf 11:28 < kanzure> 11:28 < kanzure> Construction of refreshable microfluidic channels and electrophoresis along them " In addition, we demonstrated the electrophoresis of a dye (bromophenol blue) in the channel." 11:45 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:46 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9DE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- worldpeace [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has quit [] 12:34 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:54 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:40 -!- nsh [n=kaapo@c39.adsl.tnnet.fi] has quit ["Your mom is so ugly, when she went to McDonalds, they couldn't serve happy meals."] 13:57 < fenn> yay shopbots woo. 14:01 < fenn> i didnt even get to see it run. partly my fault as we left early 14:01 < fenn> but they weren't planning on running it, if that tells you anything 14:02 < fenn> instead there were talks about how to apply gold leaf, or 'sculpt nouveau' metallic paint, or how to seal a MDF vacuum table 14:03 < kanzure> waah, CVS doesn't sell UV curable nail polish 14:03 < fenn> sue! 14:03 < kanzure> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=nail+salon+near+24th+and+Guadalupe,+Austin+TX&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,51.152344&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13 14:03 * kanzure looks for a nail salon 14:05 < kanzure> oh, it's at dobie mall 14:05 * kanzure goes back down. 14:23 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-180-120.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:43 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-180-120.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:02 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- kanzure- [n=biosci@dhcp-128-83-195-173.biosci.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:31 < kanzure-> Hm. 15:32 < kanzure-> So the nail polish I bought isn't really suitable for this. It would only work as a direct-write sort of tech. 15:32 < kanzure-> although I didn't try the acetone wash or acetone pad, or any sort of stencil or mask. 15:32 < kanzure-> but the "sharpie + two glass slides + two alligator clips + water" has given me interesting results. 15:33 < kanzure-> I screwed up and didn't use a straight edge for my lines (making a column defined by two strokes on one side of the glass), 15:33 < kanzure-> so consequently the water flow profile is really messed up- there are three places where the water goes down, and near the edges of the sharpie ink, it curves away (towards the ground / towards me) 15:33 < kanzure-> and then applying additional pressure on the clips makes the water go up/down. 15:34 < kanzure-> (in between the two slides is some tape attached to itself; so at the two ends of the slide, there's an alligator clip and some tape in between them, so that there's a few micrometers of separation between the two slides) 15:46 < kanzure-> oh snap :) 15:46 < kanzure-> it's like playing a pin ball machine, but with bubbles of water and algae. 15:46 < kanzure-> guided by the lines drawn by sharpie. 15:49 -!- Utopiah [i=utopiah@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-9bb0faf349f67cfa] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:49 -!- Utopiah [i=utopiah@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-9bb0faf349f67cfa] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51 < bkero> kanzure-: are you a bubble wizard? 15:54 < kanzure-> I am now. 15:55 < kanzure-> I can make little whirlpools in the bubble. 16:05 < bkero> I have an irssi hilight set to bubbles. :P 16:12 < kanzure-> Why? 16:44 < kanzure-> Okay. Two concentric circles. Pour in some water, swish it around, and a bubble will follow the inner perimeter, and algae clumps up in the bubble. 16:47 < kanzure-> I don't know what pattern to draw. 16:48 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:02 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 < kanzure-> gene: holy shit. 17:06 < kanzure-> sata loves it. 17:06 < gene> what? 17:06 < kanzure-> it works :) 17:06 < gene> what works? 17:06 < kanzure-> sharpie microfluidics 17:06 < gene> really? 17:06 < kanzure-> pinball with bubbles and algae. 17:06 < kanzure-> *pinball machine 17:06 < gene> you in the lab? 17:06 < kanzure-> yes 17:06 < gene> hahahahah 17:06 < kanzure-> sata is too 17:07 < gene> so did you make a working microfluidic circuit? 17:07 < kanzure-> no, just a way to control the path of the bubble 17:07 < kanzure-> I was hoping to use a dry erase board for rapid prototyping 17:07 < kanzure-> and then I realized that it's dry erase 17:07 < gene> so you did make something? 17:07 < kanzure-> and thus not hydrophobic. 17:08 < kanzure-> yes, I made a device where the water is directionally controlled 17:08 < kanzure-> oh, and with little vortices in the bubble too. 17:08 < gene> I'm coming down there right now 17:08 < kanzure-> (well, just one vortex/whirlpool really) 17:08 < kanzure-> bring glass. 17:08 < gene> glass? 17:08 < kanzure-> please? 17:09 < gene> How about some superglue? 17:09 < kanzure-> why? 17:09 < gene> a glass of water? 17:09 < kanzure-> hm, no 17:09 < kanzure-> I mean, I can continue to use slides 17:09 < kanzure-> but it's kind of a pain because eventually they will need to be washed 17:10 < kanzure-> I can use the dry erase board with the sharpie, but then that is also a pain because that's even harder to wash 17:10 < gene> hold on 17:10 < gene> I'll see if I can't find a CD or something 17:10 < kanzure-> broken CDs would be nice. 17:11 < kanzure-> clear CDs even better. 17:11 < kanzure-> maybe we can spin them down in the CD drive. 17:11 < gene> hahah 17:11 < kanzure-> seriously. 17:11 < gene> yeah I know 17:11 < kanzure-> I wonder where it would go though 17:11 < gene> got unused blank cd 17:12 < kanzure-> it's not like there's much of an option when spinning it in a CD drive. 17:12 < gene> then spin it on something else 17:13 < kanzure-> I'm not sure about putting weird other things into a CD drive. 17:13 < kanzure-> other than maybe DVDs or mini CDs. 17:13 < kanzure-> maybe a hard drive. 17:17 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9DE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:22 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-89-17.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:27 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:29 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:08 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:20 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-89-17.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:24 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]"] 18:41 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:26 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:31 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:56 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFoC-uxRqCg "The Nano Song". I really want this to turn into a grey goo doom song. 20:14 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-10-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:20 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Droplet%20microfluidics.pdf 20:20 < kanzure> droplet microfluidics. 20:20 < kanzure> hrm. 20:20 < kanzure> page 15 shows droplet microfluidics with cells within the droplets. 20:21 < kanzure> I wonder if you can pump emulsions through these systems. 20:37 < kanzure> hm, the droplet microfluidic system I made today is more like a bubble resting on 4 "rails". 20:37 < kanzure> erm, 2 rails. 20:40 < kanzure> magneticly-writable microfluidic system: coat many magnetic beads in sharpie ink. Place them between two glass slides. Move an external magnet around to position them to your liking. 20:40 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-24-130-10-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:54 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Designing%20microfluidic%20components%20for%20enhanced%20surface%20delivery%20using%20a%20genetic%20algorithm%20search%20-%20automated%20design.pdf 20:54 < kanzure> neat, automated design of microfluidics without solving the flow equations. apparently a simple approximation is good enough. 20:57 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@c-71-198-6-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:02 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Design%20and%20evaluation%20of%20a%20Dean%20vortex-based%20micromixer%20-%20separations.pdf <-- Dean vortex-based micromixer/separator 21:02 < kanzure> probably easier than a spiral, but anyway. 21:11 < kanzure> when sata saw microfluidics/ (in the paper dir), he asked me if I had written a crawler to find good science papers 21:11 < kanzure> while it's true that I do have some code in the works for that, it's sadly not the case. 21:27 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-6-201.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:27 * katsmeow-afk peeks in 21:28 < kanzure> Hey katsmeow-afk. 21:28 < kanzure> I made a microfluidic device today. 21:29 < kanzure> You missed out on it. 21:29 < katsmeow-afk> whats it do? 21:29 * katsmeow-afk isn't all here atm 21:29 < kanzure> Directs the motion of a bubble/droplet full of algae. 21:31 < katsmeow-afk> on what surface? 21:31 < katsmeow-afk> or in what material? 21:31 < kanzure> Between glass surfaces. 21:31 < katsmeow-afk> can i pose a question? 21:31 < kanzure> No, never. 21:31 < kanzure> (go ahead) 21:31 < katsmeow-afk> do you know of practical affordable small electrorheologic devices? 21:32 < kanzure> electrical control of fluids? 21:32 * katsmeow-afk nods affiermative 21:32 < kanzure> I'm not even sure what such a device would do. 21:32 < katsmeow-afk> the electrical grid replaces the mechanical valve,, is about all 21:33 < katsmeow-afk> but it would make instant control of small hydraulics possible 21:33 < katsmeow-afk> catch is, afaik, what i can afford would eitehr clump, grow mold, or rust the system 21:33 < kanzure> a grid replaces a valve? 21:33 < kanzure> what? 21:34 * katsmeow-afk turns to google 21:34 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:34 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=2Jx&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&ei=FQGqSfXRJ5SQmQf14YjcDQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=electrorheological&spell=1 21:34 < kanzure> gene: two papers for you to look at 21:35 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Design%20and%20evaluation%20of%20a%20Dean%20vortex-based%20micromixer%20-%20separations.pdf dean vortices 21:35 < kanzure> method of not having to solve CFD equations: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Toolbox%20for%20the%20design%20of%20optimized%20microfluidic%20components%20-%20without%20solving%20flow%20equations.pdf 21:35 < kanzure> from the same authors as that last link: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Designing%20microfluidic%20components%20for%20enhanced%20surface%20delivery%20using%20a%20genetic%20algorithm%20search%20-%20automated%20design.pdf (on the same topic more or less) 21:35 < gene> electrorheological fluid 21:35 < gene> you can make that real nice and easy 21:36 < katsmeow-afk> that will not rust or grow mold or clump? 21:36 < gene> ummm no 21:36 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:36 < katsmeow-afk> constantly maintaining the system is not a good thing 21:37 < kanzure> he seems to have died 21:37 < katsmeow-afk> this is an example of cheap and grows mold and clumps : A simple ER fluid can be made by mixing cornflour in a light vegetable oil or (better) Silicone oil. 21:37 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:37 < gene> kanzure repost 21:37 < gene> firefox crashed 21:37 < katsmeow-afk> this is an example of cheap and grows mold and clumps : A simple ER fluid can be made by mixing cornflour in a light vegetable oil or (better) Silicone oil. 21:37 < gene> yeah I know 21:37 < katsmeow-afk> use a real irc client! 21:38 < gene> how about silica particles and silicone oil 21:38 < gene> what do you want ER fluid for? 21:38 < gene> power armor? 21:38 < katsmeow-afk> to make fingers 21:39 < gene> for? 21:39 < katsmeow-afk> for to pick things up? 21:39 < gene> for? 21:39 < kanzure> gene: two papers for you to look at 21:39 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Design%20and%20evaluation%20of%20a%20Dean%20vortex-based%20micromixer%20-%20separations.pdf dean vortices 21:39 < kanzure> method of not having to solve CFD equations: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Toolbox%20for%20the%20design%20of%20optimized%20microfluidic%20components%20-%20without%20solving%20flow%20equations.pdf 21:39 < kanzure> from the same authors as that last link: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Designing%20microfluidic%20components%20for%20enhanced%20surface%20delivery%20using%20a%20genetic%20algorithm%20search%20-%20automated%20design.pdf (on the same topic more or less) 21:40 < katsmeow-afk> i found some 0.014inch/0.37mm wire rope 21:40 < katsmeow-afk> and some very small cheap but good bearings 21:40 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:40 < katsmeow-afk> erg 21:41 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:42 < gene> kanzure chat me those papers 21:42 < gene> I can't open that many pdfs 21:42 < gene> hmmm... firefox started doing this recently 21:42 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Design%20and%20evaluation%20of%20a%20Dean%20vortex-based%20micromixer%20-%20separations.pdf dean vortices 21:42 < kanzure> method of not having to solve CFD equations: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Toolbox%20for%20the%20design%20of%20optimized%20microfluidic%20components%20-%20without%20solving%20flow%20equations.pdf 21:43 < kanzure> from the same authors as that last link: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/CFD%20-%20Designing%20microfluidic%20components%20for%20enhanced%20surface%20delivery%20using%20a%20genetic%20algorithm%20search%20-%20automated%20design.pdf (on the same topic more or less) 21:44 < gene> so katsmeow tell me more about what you want to do with ER fluid 21:45 < gene> you can use ER fluid like an actuator? 21:51 < gene> are you trying to make a robotic hand? 21:53 * katsmeow-afk nods 21:53 < katsmeow-afk> in the rare spare time 21:53 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:54 < kanzure> please googlestalk: "David R. Mott", Naval Research Laboratories, Laboratory of Computational Physics and Fluid Dynamics. 21:54 < kanzure> Research Aerospace Engineer, Laboratory for Computational Physics and Fluid Dynamics, Code 6404, 21:54 < kanzure> Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC 20375, Senior member, AIAA. 21:54 < kanzure> hrm. 21:57 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:57 < gene> ok I need a real irc client 21:57 < kanzure> yes. 21:58 < gene> firefox is about as stable as an inverted cone right now 21:58 < gene> know any good ones 21:58 < gene> did I miss anything 21:59 < kanzure> I use irssi 21:59 < katsmeow-afk> i use mirc 22:00 < katsmeow-afk> afk 22:01 < kanzure> googlestalk: http://www.shopmedvet.com/product/7930/71 22:01 < kanzure> erm 22:01 < kanzure> wtf? 22:01 < kanzure> http://www.shopmedvet.com/product/7930/71 22:01 < kanzure> 8. D.R. Mott, C.R. Kaplan, and E.S. Oran. A Robust Solver for Incompressible Flow on 22:01 < kanzure> Cartesian Grids with Colocated Variables," NRL Technical Memorandum Report 22:01 < kanzure> NRL/MR/6404-05-8858, 2005. 22:03 < kanzure> http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA438536 22:03 < kanzure> "We describe a second-order finite-volume formulation for solving incompressible flow problems on Cartesian grids using a colocated arrangement of variables. A projection method is used, in which a provisional cell-centered velocity is obtained by integrating the effects of advection and viscous forces over the numerical time step. Interface velocities are then interpolated from the provisional cell-centered velocities and corrected using the solution of a Poission equation for the pressure distribution. The cell-centered velocities are then interpolated from the corrected interface velocities. This pair of interpolation steps adds numerical diffusion that mimics a normal viscous stress, and the form of this damping term is similar to that which comes from stabilizing the Poisson equation for pressure by adding a term that is proportional to the fourth-derivative of pressure. The method requires no extra damping terms in order to maintain stability." 22:04 < gene> huh? 22:04 < gene> googlestalk? 22:04 < kanzure> it's ok, I've done it for you. 22:04 < kanzure> I was having some trouble finding David R. Mott 22:04 < kanzure> NRL hides its scientists well. 22:04 < gene> what do you mean wtf 22:04 < kanzure> forget it :) 22:04 < gene> ok 22:04 < gene> forgotenn 22:05 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:06 < gene> I have displeased the flaming fox 22:07 < gene> I believe I must make a sacrifice to the gods 22:09 < katsmeow-afk> bak 22:10 < gene> I must obtain a goat 22:10 < gene> on second thought that might not be enough 22:11 < gene> I must sacrifice a 4 TB harddrive 22:11 < katsmeow-afk> AAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 22:11 * katsmeow-afk faints 22:11 < gene> it can't be a virgin 4 TB harddrive either 22:12 < gene> it has to be a full one with important unbacked up data 22:12 < katsmeow-afk> altho, upon waking, i wonder when the drive capacity will be such that filling it with data will take so long the drive will be beyond it's mtbf 22:12 < gene> mtbf? 22:13 < gene> I hope such a thing happens 22:13 < gene> because then I can start filling it up with everything 22:13 < gene> and I mean EVERYTHING 22:13 < katsmeow-afk> mean time before failure 22:14 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:17 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:17 < gene> crashed again 22:17 < gene> optimized for performance not battery life 22:17 < gene> let's see if that works 22:32 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:36 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:41 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:41 < gene> crashed again 22:43 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:43 < katsmeow-afk> crashed again 22:46 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:46 < gene> firefox crashed again 22:47 < gene> norton says I'm protected so I must be ok 22:48 < katsmeow-afk> lol 22:50 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:54 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:54 < gene> firefox crashed again 22:57 < gene> http://www.diycalculator.com/sp-mechcomp.shtml#A5 22:57 < gene> z1 mechanical computer 22:57 < gene> binary computer made without any knowledge of boolean math 22:58 * katsmeow-afk nods 23:06 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:09 < gene> firefox crashed again 23:12 < kanzure> http://mirror.sim.ul.pt/debian-paipix/pool/main/e/elmerfem/ 23:12 < kanzure> has elmerfem_5.4.2-6~2lenny_i386.deb 23:13 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:13 < katsmeow-afk> firefox crashed again 23:14 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:16 < kanzure> hm, elmerfem is now installed. I wonder if dpkg is lying to me. 23:16 < gene> firefox crashed again 23:16 < gene> kanzure how many times have I said firefox has crashed again? 23:17 < katsmeow-afk> 7 23:17 < gene> that isn't that much 23:17 < kanzure> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-science@lists.debian.org/msg02704.html 23:17 < kanzure> hm, apparently that email was in my inbox 23:17 * kanzure gives Antonio Amorim a cookie 23:20 -!- Gene_H [i=Gene@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:20 < Gene_H> hello world 23:20 < gene> hey gene 23:20 < Gene_H> hey 23:20 < Gene_H> I'm ur doppelganger 23:21 < gene> oh shit 23:21 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-97-56.public.utexas.edu] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]"] 23:24 < kanzure> why is it that gcc isn't installed? how was I compiling openfoam? 23:26 < fenn> snorrk' 23:26 < Gene_H> magic 23:26 < Gene_H> and the switch was set for even more magic 23:27 < Gene_H> firefox crashed again 23:27 < kanzure> woah, ElmerGUI works. 23:27 < kanzure> yay, it's meshing 23:28 < kanzure> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'netgen::NgException' 23:28 < kanzure> Aborted 23:28 < kanzure> well fuck. 23:28 < fenn> elmer looks pretty neat 23:29 < fenn> i wonder how long it took to do this animation http://www.csc.fi/english/pages/elmer/examples/elastbeam 23:30 < kanzure> I'll run it in a sec 23:32 < kanzure> hm, I must not know how to run it. 23:32 < fenn> please document what you did to install it while still fresh 23:33 < kanzure> wget http://mirror.sim.ul.pt/debian-paipix/pool/main/e/elmerfem/elmerfem_5.4.2-6~2lenny_i386.deb ; apt-get install libqwt5-qt4 libvtk5-qt4; dpkg -i elmerfem_5.4.2-6~2lenny_i386.deb 23:34 < kanzure> uh, and apparently "apt-get install gfortran gcc" because gcc wasn't installed? wtf? 23:35 * katsmeow-afk waves to fenn 23:37 < fenn> hihi 23:38 < kanzure> fenn: katsmeow-afk showed up yesterday while your server was deadlike 23:38 < fenn> i noticed, in the transient afterglow 23:38 < kanzure> I'm still not sure who or what a katsmeow-afk is. 23:38 < fenn> it's a katsmeow that's not at the keyboard 23:38 < kanzure> hm. 23:38 < katsmeow-afk> a kat's meow is her voice, and afk = away from keyboard 23:39 < kanzure> I know what afk is. is my awkward way of asking fenn who this person might be. 23:39 < Gene_H> maybe it is a robot? 23:39 < katsmeow-afk> oh 23:40 < Gene_H> kanzure you're a robot right? 23:40 < kanzure> segmentation fault 23:40 < katsmeow-afk> heh 23:40 < Gene_H> you know we should look into DNA computers 23:40 < Gene_H> maybe something like a neural network 23:40 < Gene_H> made from DNA 23:40 < katsmeow-afk> my eyesight isn't that good 23:41 < Gene_H> oh god, then you might be a robot 23:41 < kanzure> Gene_H: have you ever written an ANN? 23:41 < kanzure> they suck more than the news makes them out to. 23:41 < Gene_H> I don't know what an ANN is 23:41 < kanzure> Artificial Neural Network. 23:42 < katsmeow-afk> yeas, one is in #botters-ai, a-n-n-o-y-i-n-g 23:42 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: ah, well, I'm just a sophisticated Markov chain bot. 23:42 < katsmeow-afk> kewl 23:42 < fenn> god might be a robot? 23:42 < fenn> this sounds terribly 17th century enlightenment 23:43 < Gene_H> fenn, that's what some roboticist believe 23:43 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, lets put him in a "chinese room" and test 23:45 < Gene_H> Oh that's what an ANN 23:45 < Gene_H> is 23:45 < Gene_H> tried to make one on a graphing calculator 23:45 < katsmeow-afk> oh, heh, feel free to ask Tiggr 23:46 -!- cis-action [n=cis-acti@146-115-127-170.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:48 < kanzure> any help on finding some elmer tutorials would be neat 23:48 < kanzure> http://elmerfem.wiki.sourceforge.net/Getting+started+with+ElmerGUI 23:49 < Gene_H> FEM, simulate me a balloon kanzure 23:49 < kanzure> that's the best I've found, and it's not great. where's the samples? I didn't download source, for instance, since I just found a random .deb 23:49 < kanzure> http://elmerfem.wiki.sourceforge.net/ElmerGUI 23:51 < Gene_H> actually on second thought simulate a balloon-kite wifi node 23:53 < fenn> indeed 23:54 < kanzure> so I'm not entirely sure where the Heatequation came from, in that ElmerGUI.ppt file from the last link 23:54 < kanzure> maybe it's hardcoded into the source base? because I don't see anyone inputting information into those parameter fields. 23:57 < xp_prg> dude I got my carolina kit and I did not know the stuff had to be refrigerated! 23:57 < fenn> what ppt? (not that i'd be able to see it) 23:57 < xp_prg> it has been 3 days am I screwed? 23:57 < fenn> xp_prg: you were screwed to begin with, get over it 23:57 < kanzure> http://elmerfem.wiki.sourceforge.net/space/showimage/ElmerGUI.ppt 23:58 < xp_prg> seriusly can I refrigerate it now or not? 23:58 < Gene_H> xp_prg, is it a human? 23:59 < xp_prg> no it is ecoli cells and flourscing proteins 23:59 < Gene_H> really? 23:59 < xp_prg> yes 23:59 < Gene_H> do you actually have it? 23:59 < xp_prg> yes 23:59 < Gene_H> do you have a peltier cooler 23:59 < fenn> kanzure: do i need libvtk5-qt4 or can i use libvtk5-qt3 (if you happen to know)