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01:43 < gene> Kanzure, I'm telling you use CA glue, you can drain it away
01:52 < bkero> http://pastebin.osuosl.org/24407
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07:41 < kanzure> bkero: Slowpoke > Mudkip.
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07:56 < kanzure> updated: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/stemcells/
07:56 < kanzure> previously: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/stem_cells/
07:56 < kanzure> the /books/Biology/stemcells/ now has the piggyBac and virus-free induction of plurpotency papers.
08:01 < kanzure> huh, just found this in my inbox: http://search.cpan.org/~itub/PerlMol-0.35_00.ppm/lib/Chemistry/File/Formula.pm
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11:28 < kanzure> fenn: more useless architecture at UT: http://www.engr.utexas.edu/sos/survey/70705258/index.cfm
11:34 < kanzure> gah, this is so totally hackable.
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11:55 < katsmeow-afk> "concrete with a volume of half a cubic yard." ?? does no one know how much that weighs?
11:56 < katsmeow-afk> they must be using the football team to set them up
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13:08 < fenn> wow heb's sales are amazing
13:08 < fenn> i just got 35 pounds of food for $30
13:09 < xp_prg> fenn where?
13:10 < fenn> in austin
13:28 < fenn> kanzure: do you know anywhere in austin to get "fancy" metals like, say, tool steel
13:30 < fenn> also i'm looking for a scrap yard i could dig around in
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13:58 < kanzure-> http://fuge.sf.net/ "FuGE provides a model of common components in functional genomics investigations, such as materials, data, protocols, equipment and software. These models can be extended to develop modular data formats with consistent structure."
13:59 < kanzure-> http://fuge.sourceforge.net/dev/V1Final/FuGEv1-refManual.html
13:59 < kanzure-> http://fuge.sourceforge.net/dev/V1Final/FuGEv1-refManual.html#Protocol
13:59 < kanzure-> Heh. Input/output types are an "OntologyTerm" - gee. 
14:01 < kanzure-> "Used to define human readable notes for annotating deviations to an Action during the ActionApplication."
14:10 < kanzure-> (my post to bioperl-l on lists.open-bio.org complains about the broken links on that page)
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15:35 < kanzure-> hm, campbell wants me to write a review of automated assembly design and automatic instruction generation
15:59 < kanzure-> http://www.dellsocialinnovationcompetition.com/apex/ideaView?javax.portlet.faces.DirectLink=truefirstParam=Up&secondParam=087800000005Gy0AAE&j_id0:j_id1:j_id130:j_id131:j_id132:j_id134:j_id135:VoteUpLink=j_id0:j_id1:j_id130:j_id131:j_id132:j_id134:j_id135:VoteUpLink
16:08 < fenn> let me know if you find and open source code for automatic instruction generation
16:08 < fenn> s/and/any/
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17:06 < kanzure-> I was figuring I'd write it myself, based off of data structures for representing assemblies and assembling of things.
17:08 < kanzure-> also, writing a crawler for dellsocialinnovation.com is a pain in the ass.
17:18 < xp_prg> kanzure- use perl mechanize problem solved
17:18 < xp_prg> or python mechanize
17:24 < kanzure-> not true.
17:24 < kanzure-> perl mechanize does not implement javascript
17:24  * katsmeow-afk has an offtopic question
17:24 < xp_prg> so
17:25 < xp_prg> why do you need javascript to do a crawler?
17:25 < kanzure-> xp_prg: because the site uses javascript.
17:25 < kanzure-> what's hard to understand about that?
17:25 < xp_prg> I am not aware of any crawler that utilizes javascript
17:25 < kanzure-> (and yes, I've been sitting here tracing through the javascript by hand for a while now.)
17:25 < kanzure-> katsmeow-afk: yes?
17:26 < xp_prg> kanzure- honestly, what our doing is crazy
17:26 < kanzure-> what?
17:26 < xp_prg> a crawler used some kind of library to web screenscrape
17:26 < xp_prg> what the heck are you doing?
17:27 < kanzure-> so you're making random opinions about what I'm doing without first knowing what I'm doing?
17:27 < xp_prg> you said your making a crawler
17:27 < kanzure-> I'm helping a friend win $50k
17:27 < katsmeow-afk> given a 386 , dos 5.0, and 2 gigs of physical memory, loading and running a 32bit protected mode application  will require no memory virtualisation, and no use of dos memory handlers (once in protected mode), and only the dpmi to talk to dos,, right?
17:27 < xp_prg> what is there to understand?
17:27 < kanzure-> xp_prg: basic english.
17:27 < kanzure-> katsmeow-afk: I have absolutely no idea how DOS 5.0 allocates memory :-(.
17:28 < xp_prg> kanzure- why do you need to understand javascript?
17:28 < katsmeow-afk> well, it's more about protected mode vs any other mode on a 386 or better cpu
17:28 < kanzure-> that's like asking "why do you need to understand english"
17:28 < katsmeow-afk> it's not about which dos version
17:29 < xp_prg> but why does your crawler need to understand it?
17:29 < kanzure-> it doesn't. but if you were going to say "problem solved" by pointing to perl WWW::Mechanize, then it needs to interpret and run javascript
17:29 < kanzure-> which it doesn't.
17:29 < kanzure-> so the problem is *not* solved
17:30 < xp_prg> kanzure- just look at what the javascript is ending then automate that in javascript
17:30 < kanzure-> what the fuck do you think I meant when I said "I've been sitting here tracing through the javascript by hand for a while now." ?
17:31 < xp_prg> well what were you going to use for the crawler?
17:31 < kanzure-> I'm done talking to you
17:31  * kanzure- goes home
17:31 < xp_prg> kanzure- are you not making a program to do the crawling?
17:46 < kanzure> http://web.monroecc.edu/manila/webfiles/calcNSF/JavaCode/CalcPlot3D.htm
17:47 < kanzure> oops, meant to link to http://labtutorials.org/
17:49 < xp_prg> kanzure- are you not making a program to do the crawling?
17:50 < kanzure> what does that question have to do with anything?
17:50 < xp_prg> trying to help you forget it
17:51 < kanzure> what?
17:52 < kanzure> fenn: I know of no scrap metal yards here in Austin. Every time I search for junkyards I just get auto shit.
17:53 < kanzure> which technically includes metal, but my guess is that it's usually just the parts from cars
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17:53 < kanzure> which will tend to get rather boring and monotonic
18:01 < katsmeow-afk> hmm,, recycled plastics are $120/ton
18:02 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Thermocapillary%20actuation%20of%20droplets%20on%20chemically%20patterned%20surfaces%20by%20programmable%20microheater%20arrays.pdf
18:02 < kanzure> Thermocapillary actuation of droplets on chemically patterned surfaces by programmable microheater arrays
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18:33 < kanzure> hah, does anyone else remember that old DIY STM method where you can cut a stick of metal in a specific way so as to make a ridiculously sharp point?
18:34 < kanzure> jab that pointy tip into a sharpie.
18:34 < kanzure> (or apply sharpie fluid? however that works. I've never had a sharpie bust on me, so..)
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19:03 < kanzure> ce roughness to create microstructured guide rails for droplets propelled by vibration
19:03 < kanzure> Engineering surface roughness to manipulate droplets in microfluidic systems - sy
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19:18 < kanzure> ÿhttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Virtual%20microfluidic%20traps,%20filters,%20channels%20and%20pumps%20using%20Marangoni%20flows.pdf
19:18 < kanzure> Virtual microfluidic traps, filters, channels and pumps using Marangoni flows
19:18 < kanzure> oh shit :)
19:18 < kanzure> basically: place a heating element perpendicular to the cross section that you want to act as a boundary that the droplet will not pass through
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19:21 < kanzure> "With optimized liquid carriers, flow velocities >10 mm/s can be generated with only small perturbations in surface temperature (<10 K)."
19:22 < kanzure> "128-pixel heater array incorporates addressing logic and a software interface which allows it to programmatically transport and merge multiple droplets through the sequential activation of heaters"
19:22 < kanzure> ooh, and it's a thesis: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Microthermal%20Devices%20for%20Fluidic%20Actuation%20by%20Modulation%20of%20Surface%20Tension%20-%20Basu%20-%20awesome.pdf
19:31 < kanzure> I wonder how much heat LEDs generate
19:31 < kanzure> although that's not going to be focused enough
19:33 < kanzure> "by using an efficient microfabricated heat source with < 40 ohms resistance, flow velocities up to 5 mm/sec can be achieved with voltages < 2 V and input powers < 25 mW."
19:33 < kanzure> "low power, reconfigurable microfluidic systems"
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19:41 < kanzure> The 16x8 heater array used to initiate Marangoni flow consists of #0603 surface-mount resistors (1x0.8x0.3 mm) placed at 1.9 mm pitch on a two sided printed circuit board (PCB) (Fig. 4.5). The 100 Ω resistors are electrically connected via thru-holes to the opposite side of the PCB which provides routing, cable connectors, and a heat sink (Fig. 4.6). This two sided design allows the resistors to be placed near the liquid without obstruction. Commercial foundries are used to manufacture PCBs (Sunstone Circuits, Mulino OR) and to assemble the resistors in a solder reflow process (Screaming Circuits, Canby OR).
19:42 < kanzure> huh, so Basu only uses single plates of glass, rather than sandwhiching for surface tension effects
19:43 < kanzure> guess he doesn't really care since he gets it via Marangoni forces
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19:52 < kanzure> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1573467 
19:52 < kanzure> Can anyone get me this? "Microfluidics with near infrared fluid handling"
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20:16 < kanzure> "Cooling of integrated circuits using droplet-based microfluidics"
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20:18 < katsmeow-afk> didn't i see somewhere, a cpu was built in liquid cooling channels on the die?
20:19 < katsmeow-afk> Cooling of Integrated Circuits Using Droplet-Based. Microfluidics. Vamsee K. Pamula. Duke University. Box 90291, Dept of ECE. Durham, NC 27708 ...
20:19 < katsmeow-afk> people.ee.duke.edu/~krish/GLSVLSI-P1-6-Pamula.pdf - 
20:22 < katsmeow-afk> " Effective cooling of integrated circuits using liquid alloy electrowetting" ?
20:25 < kanzure> yep, just read that a few minutes ago (the second to last one you cited)
20:25 < kanzure> apparently it involved thermocapillary channels that were self-regulating to heat
20:25 < katsmeow-afk> didn't i see somewhere, a cpu was built in liquid cooling channels on the die? not a heatsink?
20:26 < kanzure> that's right
20:26 < katsmeow-afk> where did i see that?
20:26 < kanzure> "Coolingo f Integrated Circuits Using Droplet-Based Microfluidics"
20:26 < kanzure> that was it.
20:26 < katsmeow-afk> no, not droplets
20:26 < kanzure> oh
20:26 < kanzure> hrm
20:27 < katsmeow-afk> the idea was micro pumps pushing liquid thru the hottest areas of a cpu die, and then out to a interface to a external system
20:27 < kanzure> heh, you need to use a thermally-expanding liquid, which would then push itself through to cooler areas or something
20:28 < katsmeow-afk> Several years ago, a chip with thermal densities above 10 W/cm.sup.2 was the norm; presently, even silicon chips have been designed with power densities of 350 W/cm.sup.2. Prototype versions of gallium nitride and silicon carbide chips have been demonstrated "in the laboratory" operating at power densities in the range of 1500-3500 W/cm.sup.2 and III-V compound semiconductor chips operate in the range of 450 W/cm.sup.2. 
20:28 < katsmeow-afk> that was the problem to be solved
20:29 < katsmeow-afk> Chip cooling by directly pumping a working fluid such as fluorocarbon onto the chip(s) has been developed and cutting microchannels in the back of the chips and pumping liquid through the microchannels has been developed in an effort to operate at these power densities. 
20:34 < katsmeow-afk> Developed at the Georgia Institute of Technology, the wafer-level fabrication technique includes polymer pipes that will allow electronic and cooling interconnections to be made simultaneously using automated manufacturing processes.
20:35 < katsmeow-afk> wouldn't oyu know, it's not news : 
20:35 < katsmeow-afk>  For Immediate Release
20:35 < katsmeow-afk> June 21, 2005
20:35 < katsmeow-afk> Beating the Heat: Liquid Cooling Technique Uses Microfluidic Channels Integrated onto the Backs of Chips
20:35 < katsmeow-afk> “By integrating the cooling microchannels directly into the chip, we can eliminate a lot of the thermal interface issues that are of great concern.”
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20:36 < katsmeow-afk> http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/images/cooling96_sm.jpg
20:36 < katsmeow-afk>  Graduate Research Assistant Bing Dang shows the front side of a chip with a peripheral array of micro-polymer pipes for fluidic connections ana arrays of electrical interconnects.
20:36 < kanzure> hm.
20:36 < katsmeow-afk> microscopic
20:37 < katsmeow-afk> “The challenge of 3D integration now is that if you have several chips stacked on one another, there is no way to cool the chips in between,” Dang said. “If we have microchannels on the back side of each chip, we could pump liquid through them and cool all of the chips.”
20:38 < katsmeow-afk> so you can add cache chips to the middle of a cpu core, and save transit time out to the cache at the perimeter
20:38 < katsmeow-afk> etc
20:38 < katsmeow-afk> The Georgia Tech researchers, who include Paul Joseph, Muhannad Bakir, Todd Spencer, Paul Kohl and James Meindl, begin by etching trenches more than 100 microns deep on the back of the silicon wafer.
20:39 < kanzure> wait, cache chips aren't there because of heating issues?
20:39 < kanzure> yeah, trench etching / trench digging started by running sharp pointy sticks (well, wires) through wax in the 50s or 60s.
20:41 < katsmeow-afk> we called those "records" you .... umm, how old are you?
20:41 < katsmeow-afk> ;-)
20:42 < kanzure> 19
20:43  * kanzure is trying to think of a way to do Marangoni forces without having everyone make a 16x16 resistor array and custom PCBing.
20:43 < kanzure> I wonder if the function of a keyboard can be reduced and miniaturized
20:43 < kanzure> in terms of the addressing scheme
20:43 < kanzure> that's a bad idea- nevermind
20:43  * katsmeow-afk sneezes
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21:50 < ybit> just curious.. what routers do people in here use?
21:51 < ybit> setup a linux box to do this or did you buy a linksys or netgear?..
21:51 < ybit> and the firmware..
21:51 < ybit> i'm using dd-wrt atm
21:51 < ybit> just curious...
21:51  * ybit doesn't understand how someone afk sneezes at the keyboard :P
21:52 < ybit> unless afk = at (the) fucking keyboard
21:55 < kanzure> I've had terrible experiences with buffalo. don't buy them.
21:56 < kanzure> I've used neatgear, linksys, and dlink, and they all suck. but netgear might be ok I guess.
21:56 < kanzure> (also, the gravity-driven particle separation paper was doing ~1 ml/hr across 0.5 mm channels. I don't know if that's useful.)
21:57 < kanzure> (but this is certainly something that I can draw)
21:57 < kanzure> with sharpie, I mean.
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