--- Day changed Thu Mar 05 2009 00:32 -!- freedom__ [n=freedom@195.216.210.243] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:42 -!- ybit [n=heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:37 -!- wrldpc [n=worldpea@173.48.207.37] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:59 -!- freedom__ is now known as Phreedom 04:10 -!- Phreedom [n=freedom@195.216.210.243] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:20 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:11 < kanzure> http://www.dna-rainbow.org:8000/dna-radio.mp3.m3u <-- why did this make slashdot. 10:08 -!- samrose [n=samrose@mi-beaco-rtr-16-59.synergydsl.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:25 < fenn> microthermal whatsit actuator paper is 162 pages - don't tell me to read all of it, what should i be looking at? 10:32 < fenn> oh i see it's like optical tweezers but low tech 10:34 < fenn> so that should be fairly simple to make with standard circuit etching techniques 10:35 < fenn> not that i have any idea what to do with it 10:35 < fenn> PCR i guess 10:37 < fenn> it would be interesting to move bits of melted wax around and let them solidify, as a 3d printer mechanism 10:37 < fenn> or some kind of two part epoxy 10:41 < fenn> i like the grid idea where they move individual droplets around better than the channel ideas 10:47 < fenn> seems like it would be faster at smaller scales and higher gravity (in a centrifuge) 10:47 < fenn> 20 seconds per move is too long 11:03 < kanzure> fenn: one of the appendices has the diagrams or something. so, near the end. there's a paragraph that effectively describes it. 11:04 < fenn> "it's kind of like virtualization" isn't going to help a non-programmer 11:04 < kanzure> none of my explanations are 11:04 < kanzure> I should have just done a linkdump 11:05 < fenn> you should have just kept your trap shut :) 11:05 < kanzure> is it that bad? 11:06 < fenn> save those two emails and read it again in a month 11:06 < kanzure> moving bits of solidifying wax around does sound like fun. 11:07 < fenn> the neat part about that technique is it's massively parallel 11:07 < fenn> the problem with digital rapid prototyping has been getting the resolution down because serial methods take so long 11:07 < kanzure> also the whole "program a lab on a chip" and analogies to FPGAs blah blah blah 11:07 < kanzure> oh, that would be a method of fabrication, that's true 11:07 < fenn> "lab on a chip" is bullshit as far as i can tell 11:07 < kanzure> (there was also a paper I came across recently talking about fabricating inside a microchannel, though I don't know why or what results they got) 11:07 < fenn> i could believe "micropipettor on a chip" 11:08 < kanzure> what do you think is bullshit about it? 11:08 < kanzure> besides it being a buzzword 11:08 < fenn> it's just pure hype 11:08 < kanzure> what about people who have put individual lab tools on a chip? 11:08 < fenn> i want to see experiments being done with them 11:09 < fenn> nobody calls DNA arrays "lab on a chip" 11:09 < kanzure> so, "select one experiment from a random biology journal recently, and run that on a standard 'lab on a chip' platform" ? 11:09 < kanzure> hell, even an experiment from high school / college intro biology labs 11:10 < fenn> or just do the experiment in a microfluidics environment in the first place.. which i dont see happening (i havent looked either) 11:10 < kanzure> I've found that it is common for experiments to sometimes place new equipment demands on a researcher 11:10 < kanzure> i.e., the lab doesn't have xyz 11:10 < kanzure> fenn: wait, what? 11:10 < fenn> if they are so cool and awesome how come nobody is using them 11:11 < fenn> anything microfluidics 11:11 < kanzure> I think you're asking "why don't I have one / why weren't they used in my bio labs" 11:11 < kanzure> because I have not seen anything discussing adoption rates or lack thereof 11:12 < kanzure> I'm sure the standard complaints are at play: IP bullshit, fabrication costs (hah), other crap. 11:12 < fenn> the only "real" experiments on the front page of lab-on-a-chip.com are DNA microarrays 11:13 < fenn> the rest is the same hype that's been around since 2000 11:13 < fenn> portable DNA analysis etc 11:13 < kanzure> http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/LC/ 11:13 < fenn> i guess that doesn't even mean anything 11:13 < kanzure> hm. 11:16 < kanzure> what about the in vitro protein expression experiments? 11:17 < fenn> link 11:18 < kanzure> hah, " 11:18 < kanzure> Long-term and room temperature operable bioactuator powered by insect dorsal vessel tissue" 11:18 < kanzure> one moment. 11:18 < fenn> ok this is a "real experiment" http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v6/n1/abs/nmeth.1289.html 11:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Lecithin-Based%20Water-In-Oil%20Compartments%20as%20Dividing%20Bioreactors%20-%20in%20vitro%20protein%20synthesis.pdf 11:19 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Protein%20fabrication%20automation.pdf 11:20 < kanzure> ah, your link is better than those two. 11:21 < fenn> there should be some kind of 96 well plate to microfluidic chip adapter 11:22 < kanzure> " 11:22 < kanzure> Laser trapping and Raman spectroscopy of single cellular organelles in the nanometer range" 11:23 < kanzure> how can that not be SCIENCE? :) 11:24 < fenn> the grid-based grab droplets and move them around strategy seems much more flexible and useful as an actual "lab on a chip" than all this combinatorial stuff 11:25 < fenn> it's like FPGA vs ASIC 11:25 < fenn> well, sort of 11:26 < kanzure> hm. I never heard about ASIC. looks like it's basically "really truly hardcoding" ? 11:27 < fenn> yep 11:27 < fenn> think FPGA without the "field programmable" part 11:28 < fenn> but they are used for analog and power too 11:28 < fenn> it's almost a buzzword 11:30 < kanzure> what's the advantage of mf cell-free protein expression? it doesn't (yet) make it easy to acquire the special chemicals you need to make that happen. 11:31 < kanzure> guess it just lets you use smaller volumes. 11:34 < kanzure> I wonder if your parallel wax droplet fabrication method could be layered. 11:35 < kanzure> as long as you can move the microheater array upwards a specific distance, apply your new wax droplets by micropipetters or something 11:35 * kanzure thinks this is starting to sound a lot like a goo squirter 11:46 -!- procto [n=boo@logarchy.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:46 -!- procto [n=boo@logarchy.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:47 < fenn> maybe, but you can decrease the drop size to something ridiculously small since it's parallelizable 12:10 -!- samrose [n=samrose@mi-beaco-rtr-16-59.synergydsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:33 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:59 < xp_prg> tell me how to do electrphloresis with microfluidics 13:00 -!- nsh [i=nsh@fm47pc77.uta.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:00 < nsh> who about? 13:03 < nsh> nevermind, found it. (was trying to remember the word "stigmergy") 13:05 < fenn> lots of fun cyborg dystopian explosions in this comic http://www.onemanga.com/BLAME/ 13:26 -!- nsh [i=nsh@fm47pc77.uta.fi] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 13:27 < gene> http://hi.eecg.toronto.edu/wearhow-split0/index.html 13:27 < gene> How to make a wearable from Steve Mann himself 13:29 < fenn> uh.. $560 on batteries alone? 13:30 < fenn> dead bug construction? no thanks 13:30 < fenn> while steve may be obsessed, it doesn't mean he knows what he's doing 13:32 < gene> yeah 13:32 < gene> I just need a head mounted display with a camera that can hook up to my laptop 13:33 < gene> I wonder how small a computer my laptop would be sans screen and keyboard 13:33 < fenn> i'm going to use a beagleboard, if i havent already repeated myself too many times 13:33 < fenn> gumstix overo is interesting as well, but ultimately costs more for less oomph 13:35 < gene> can it run crysis? 13:35 < gene> and cad applications 13:35 < gene> I care more about cad 13:35 < gene> well I'm going to go see a very large high res display 13:37 < fenn> it has openGL ES but last i checked the software wasn't ready 13:37 < fenn> so, probably not crysis, ever 13:38 < fenn> but probably CAD 13:42 -!- samrose [n=samrose@74.94.227.158] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:43 < elias`> I've been thinking of using Pandora for something like that. 13:43 < fenn> it's the same chip 13:43 < elias`> seems the final version is going to have 256 MB RAM 13:44 < fenn> yeah i'm considering using an SSD for swap 13:47 < elias`> A USB webcam would probably be sufficient for a head mounted camera, but display seems more trickier (if you don't consider the potential trouble with getting a relatively discreet camera). 13:48 < elias`> Someone hacked a monocle-like thing out of myvu crystal to mount to glasses, but seemed cumbersome since he had to focus on the side of his vision to actually see it properly 14:10 < ybit> in apt-get construct , what's the automation process of getting all the minerals again? i forget 14:11 < ybit> ah 14:12 < ybit> yes, i remember now. it's for a fablab, not home use. 14:12 < fenn> nobody ever said that 14:12 < ybit> eric drexler's mol. assembler would be for home use 14:13 < fenn> you have running water, don't you? 14:13 < ybit> sí 14:13 < fenn> likewise, you buy commodities at stores, right? 14:13 < ybit> sí 14:14 < fenn> anyway, it's not just for space probes, or just for high tech centres 14:14 < fenn> you get to choose any level of logistical autonomy 14:16 < gene> I'd want some accelerometers and a compass installed in mine 14:16 < gene> Eric drexler hasn't made much progress... 14:18 < gene> http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=11876&at=0 14:18 < gene> "Silicon, a component if silica, gives structure to all living things throughout the plant and animal kingdoms. It is essential to the human body and is found in the lungs, intestines and blood. Silicon gives strength and support to nails, hair, skin, connective tissue, tendons, and ligaments . *" 14:18 < gene> holy cow, we're silicon based! 14:19 < gene> trying to find me some colloidal silica, for making shear thickening fluid... 14:19 < fenn> like cab-o-sil? thickener for airplane body work 14:20 < fenn> interesting note of caution re: cab-o-sil http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2715206/tm.htm 14:21 < gene> I can't believe it, people are selling it as a supplement! 14:21 < fenn> what, it's just dirt 14:22 < gene> next thing I know I'll find quacks selling DNA polymerase and restriction enzymes as a supplement 14:22 < fenn> i hope so 14:22 < gene> no, it's not dirt 14:22 < fenn> it will only make things easier 14:22 < gene> it's been so highly processed it can't be considered dirt 14:25 < gene> heh, well colloidal silica is quite small particles range from 5nm-405nm 14:30 < kanzure> fenn: one of these days I'd like you to go over http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2009/02/laser2_630x.jpg with me. It would be nice to figure out what all of the components are, or whether or not there's enough information here that Ed Boyden otherwise hasn't published on the OpenStim wiki 14:30 < kanzure> the rest can probably be pieced together from heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/ (a partial collection of Superkuh's bibliography on the subject) 14:31 < gene> what's that? 14:31 < kanzure> rTMS. 14:31 < gene> whoever that is, they go to radioshack 14:31 < kanzure> is that valid english? 14:31 < kanzure> what are you trying to say? 14:32 < gene> most of those components in that picture look like they are from radioshack 14:32 < kanzure> right :) 14:32 < kanzure> although the coil might be something weird 14:32 < fenn> parallel IGBT test 440A 14:32 < gene> home depot 14:32 < kanzure> ah, it's "IGBT" 14:32 < fenn> presumably 440A refers to the current in the coils 14:32 < kanzure> I had my neck so messed up for the longest time trying to figure out wtf that said 14:33 < gene> original article 14:33 < gene> ? 14:33 < kanzure> original article is worthless: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2009/03/neuroengineering2 14:33 < kanzure> (more or less) 14:33 < kanzure> look up openstim and transcenmentalism (ed's site) 14:34 < fenn> the big fat black boxes on the right are the IGBT's, the little squares are probably mosfet's that drive the igbt's, and the thingies on the breadboard are probably voltage regulators or something 14:34 < gene> oh that one 14:34 < fenn> blue box = capacitor? black box on cardboard = batteries? 14:35 < gene> wait just one second here, I don't believe it 14:35 < fenn> why dont you just ask them 14:35 < kanzure> I guess. 14:35 < kanzure> hrm, I have ed's number on my cell phone 14:35 < kanzure> guess I finally have a use for it? 14:35 < gene> MIT students use radioshack components? 14:35 < kanzure> gene: what else would they use? 14:35 < fenn> gene: are you that clueless? 14:36 < fenn> radioshack didn't invent electronics 14:36 < gene> are there no good electronics stores in the MIT area 14:36 < kanzure> gene: what difference does it make whether or not parts are distributed through vendors? 14:36 < fenn> they have electronics labs stuffed to the brim with every possible chip you could want, and rush delivery from companies eager to get their product into the hands of MIT engineers 14:36 < gene> ok 14:36 < xp_prg> kanzure I want to do electrophloresis with microfluidics tell me how 14:37 < gene> just buy some agar 14:38 < kanzure> xp_prg: I want to take over the galaxy tell me how or else I fuck your mom 14:39 < xp_prg> I don't know here is my mom 14:39 < kanzure> .. 14:41 < gene> why? 14:41 < kanzure> xp_prg: what have you done to answer your question? 14:43 < xp_prg> learned why hydrophobic means, understood the sharpie experiment, watched youtube videos showing on a microfluidic lab is done, done gel electrophloresis with agar etc... 14:43 < xp_prg> why what 14:43 < xp_prg> what = what 14:43 < kanzure> xp_prg: but you haven't even read any papers on electrophoresis in microfluidics? 14:43 < kanzure> what the hell man? 14:44 < xp_prg> no, I am afraid I won't understand them :( 14:44 < ybit> sorry to have been out of it for awhile btw, i'm no longer distracted with open money. there are some neat underlying concepts, but i finally concluded that it wasn't one of my goals set out last year, and so it's been set aside. 14:45 < kanzure> xp_prg: then why are you asking how to do it 14:45 < kanzure> if you're afraid you won't understand how to do it 14:45 < kanzure> ybit: congrats? :) 14:46 < ybit> kanzure: indeed :) 14:46 < xp_prg> cuz I understand the fundamental principles and I thought it would be easy for you to tell me 14:46 < kanzure> you do not understand the fundamental principles. 14:46 < xp_prg> and I am excited to do it :> 14:46 < kanzure> because you are afraid of them 14:46 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Microfluidics + the interwebs is a start 14:46 < fenn> xp_prg: it's not easy to explain things to people; it's so painful and awful a thing to do that we pay university professors hundreds of thousands of dollars a year 14:46 < kanzure> yay for ybit. 14:47 < ybit> xp_prg ^ 14:47 < xp_prg> ok I will try 14:47 * xp_prg hates that at work he can't browse the web to do this kind of stuff :( 14:47 < xp_prg> that is one of the reasons I ask in here sorry 14:47 < kanzure> just tunnel home. 14:48 < fenn> wget -rk -np -nc http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/ 14:48 < kanzure> or better yet: 14:48 < fenn> OH WAIT you're one of those windows idiots 14:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics_2009.zip 14:48 < fenn> guess you're screwed 14:48 < xp_prg> fenn I am on macosx 14:48 < fenn> then why is your nick xp_prg 14:48 < xp_prg> kanzure do you think it is doable by diybio person? 14:48 < xp_prg> or will it be way too complicated? 14:49 < xp_prg> fenn exteme programming *sigh* 14:49 < kanzure> wow. 14:50 < fenn> what's the word for that.. 14:50 < fenn> like "ABS brakes" or "API interface" 14:50 < kanzure> redundant acronym? 14:51 < kanzure> recursive acronym? 15:37 < gene> I think diybio's going nowhere 15:38 < gene> everyone just wants to GFP e.coli 15:38 < gene> I mean at least be creative and GFP human tissue or a plant 15:39 < fenn> oo very creative.. that's never been done before 15:40 < fenn> bacterial culture is so much easier that there's no compelling reason to do tissue culture 15:41 < gene> well of course it's been done before, it's just that no one has tattoos that change with circadian rhythms 15:41 < gene> perhaps mood tattoos... 15:42 < fenn> this is quite possibly dumber than the magnet in the fingertip idea 15:44 < gene> it is, but it's creative 15:44 < gene> http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/07/08/wearable-wrist-computer-from-1984/ 15:44 < gene> wearable computers 15:45 < gene> one might use a gene gun to do the tattooing 15:45 < gene> http://www.skynetresearch.com/ 15:46 < fenn> hah i stumbled across that the other day 15:46 < gene> hmm.. looks like an alternate reality game to me, I say we pester them like they're a real company 15:47 < gene> hey could you give me a quote on improving our self-replicating automaton's replication rate? 15:47 < gene> http://twitter.com/skynetresearch 15:47 < gene> recent activity, hmmm... 15:48 < gene> how's the fablab going along fenn? 15:50 < fenn> not much activity.. les and i aren't synchronized 15:51 < fenn> i made some step pulleys for the lathe, that's about it 15:51 < gene> how? 15:51 < gene> does the fab have a cnc machine? 15:52 < gene> we don't have one right? 15:52 < fenn> glued four squares of plywood together, turn them down, then i made a 35 degree vee bit with an angle grinder out of m2 square steel stock 15:52 < fenn> nothing functional yet 15:52 < gene> machine shop here says it will take 3 weeks to make a part I need... 15:53 < fenn> the pulleys are for the lathe which will be CNC'd eventually 15:53 < fenn> what part do you need made? 15:53 * fenn looks at #reprap 15:53 < gene> my weird spiral thing 15:54 < gene> that has the people from the machine shop baffled 15:54 < fenn> idiots 15:57 < fenn> aren't you in ME? are you telling me they have no CNC machines? 15:57 < fenn> obviously you had access to an FDM 16:04 < gene> fenn, they're trying to program the machine manually... 16:05 < gene> yeah, I know 16:05 < fenn> i have a spiral generator if you want it 16:05 < fenn> spits out gcode 16:06 < fenn> http://fenn.freeshell.org/lengthspiral.py 16:07 < gene> I don't care about that, I need a program to convert 3d models to gcode 16:07 * fenn wonders why the only copy of that was in irc/ 16:07 < fenn> oh ffs 16:07 < fenn> go spend 9 million dollars then 16:07 < fenn> don't pay attention to anything i've been ranting about for the last year 16:07 < gene> wait a second fenn, in that program is angle the pitch angle? 16:08 < fenn> no it's like the hands of a clock 16:08 < gene> I have mastercam 16:08 < gene> I don't know how to use it 16:08 < fenn> then use mastercam 16:08 < fenn> i'm not going to VNC into your laptop and do your homework for you 16:09 < gene> hahahaha 16:10 < gene> http://www.physorg.com/news155494040.html 16:11 * fenn searches for the news in that article 16:12 < gene> it's in there believe me 16:12 < gene> it wasn't using GFP 16:14 < fenn> big deal - fluorescent labeled sugars 16:15 < gene> yeah 16:27 -!- samrose [n=samrose@74.94.227.158] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:23 < kanzure> fenn: you might want to post about lengthspiral.py in the diybio sharpie mf discussion re: protein separations and mass spec for nano-scale devices thingies. 18:23 < fenn> uh, why? 18:23 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as katsmeow 18:24 < kanzure> to be helpful? 18:24 < fenn> i mean why is it relevant? 18:25 < kanzure> Spiral microfluidic nanoparticle separators.pdf 18:25 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Spiral%20microfluidic%20nanoparticle%20separators.pdf 18:26 < kanzure> or is your program still using those jolting edges instead of smooth curves? 18:26 < katsmeow> wow, http://diybio.org/ has a few hundred of these : Warning: array_map() 18:27 < kanzure> sounds like php 18:28 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-99-35.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:30 < fenn> kanzure: can't you just use inkscape or whatever to make a spiral? 18:32 < kanzure> why are you asking? 18:36 < fenn> http://fenn.freeshell.org/microfluidic-spiral.png is a lot faster and easier to do than to figure out wtf to do with g-code and some random python script some dude made that is totally unrelated 18:37 < kanzure> wasn't that from a paper? 18:37 < fenn> i just drew it after looking at that pdf you linked to 18:37 < kanzure> oh, there was one where something like that exact image is used 18:37 < kanzure> it might have been that one. 18:38 < fenn> huh i need another turn on the spiral 18:38 < fenn> anyway 18:38 < kanzure> in this case, gcode isn't useful if you're just going to print out the pattern on an inkjet printer 18:39 < kanzure> so instead how about an SVG generator? 18:39 < fenn> well i could do it but why? 18:39 < kanzure> oh, I'm not suggesting you write it 18:39 < kanzure> but wouldn't that be useful? instead of unsteadily drawing a spiral each time you want to add a few more loops? 18:39 < kanzure> (or a few more turns, I mean) 18:40 < kanzure> or insert some other random parameter that I am neglecting to think about 18:40 < fenn> yes of course some parametric cad program would be ideal 18:41 < kanzure> why put all of your eggs into one basket? 18:41 < fenn> because you need some way to add the little dealies on the ends eventually 18:41 < fenn> writing a custom generator for each job is stupid 18:42 < kanzure> I tend to write a lot of scripts for myself these days 18:42 < kanzure> and even build up on previous scripts I've written 18:42 < kanzure> what's wrong with that? 18:42 < fenn> it's impenetrable 18:42 < fenn> could you write a script to remake that diagram in four minutes? 18:43 < kanzure> how many parameters? 18:43 < kanzure> or which ones 18:43 < fenn> none 18:43 < kanzure> oh 18:43 < kanzure> then why make it a script? 18:43 < fenn> all hardcoded (if that's easier) 18:43 < kanzure> wtf? 18:43 < fenn> because you can add parameters if you want 18:44 < kanzure> I think I could do it. 18:44 < kanzure> the spiral would just be the set of parametric equations. 18:44 < kanzure> and then the i/o dealies would be custom with a partial curve that I'd have to do a regression analysis of. 18:45 < fenn> oh of course 18:45 < fenn> i suppose an arc is too complicated 18:45 < kanzure> plot t*cos(t), t*sin(t) 18:45 < kanzure> ah, an arc :) 18:45 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-99-35.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:46 < fenn> this spiral is just a centrifuge? 18:47 < fenn> don't they know that A = v^2/r 18:47 < kanzure> well, centrifugal forces aren't supposed to be involved. but that paper claims so. 18:47 < fenn> so why the huge radius curves 18:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Continuous%20particle%20separation%20in%20spiral%20microchannels%20using%20dean%20flows%20and%20differential%20migration.pdf 18:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Membrane-free%20microfiltration%20by%20asymmetric%20inertial%20migration%20-%20spirals%20-%20bifurcations.pdf 18:48 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Membraneless%20microseparation%20by%20asymmetry%20in%20curvilinear%20laminar%20flows.pdf 18:48 < kanzure> those papers don't rely on centrifugal forces IIRC 18:54 < fenn> i hate it when they refer to a phenomenon by the name of the discoverer 18:54 < fenn> a Dean force, you dont say 18:54 < kanzure> they probably don't know better 18:54 < fenn> and that's because of a Dean vortex, I see 18:54 < kanzure> (as in, what the force actually is) 18:59 < kanzure> oh, and this one: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Membraneless%20microseparation%20by%20asymmetry%20in%20curvilinear%20laminar%20flows.pdf 18:59 < kanzure> ah, crap, I mentioned that one already. 19:11 < katsmeow> if you don't have the right font for reading Amharic, Khmer, or Thai, they are available at http://idn.icann.org/Fonts , i mention this only because some new domain stuff reads in english not like it is supposed to,, such as .xn-zckzah 19:11 < kanzure> is that a new TLD? 19:12 < kanzure> woah. IANA.org says yes. 19:12 < kanzure> hrm 19:12 < katsmeow> .xn--jxalpdlp Greek (.??????) <<-- mirc won't copy/paste the greek 19:12 < katsmeow> .xn--9t4b11yi5a Korean (.???) <<== ditto 19:12 < katsmeow> .xn--hgbk6aj7f53bba Persian (.???????) <<== ditto 19:13 < katsmeow> hell of a situation, i bet windows won't even allow the name to be typed in, nor the page saved 19:13 < katsmeow> i can't get a grip on a domain like www.mydomain..xn--hlcj6aya9esc7a 19:14 < gene> now where did you find that kanzure 19:14 < kanzure> gene: find what? 19:14 < gene> first paper? 19:14 < kanzure> which one? 19:15 < kanzure> Continuous particle separation in spiral microchannels using dean flows and differential migration? 19:15 < gene> yup 19:17 < kanzure> I'm not sure where I found it. 19:17 < kanzure> but I found it on 2009-02-27 19:17 < gene> there's also some saffman forces too 19:18 < gene> shit, I though this dean vortex thing wasn't that important 19:18 < gene> but I guess it is 19:19 -!- kanzure-- [i=bbishop@66.112.232.182] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:19 < gene> that paper helps a lot 19:20 < kanzure--> the last message I got was the one in which you said 'saffman forces' at the end 19:20 < kanzure--> (the desktop has frozen, am tunneling in to fix.) 19:23 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 19:24 < kanzure> okay, fixed. 19:31 < kanzure> so, eli has now bought and put up crap at lesswrong.org .. too bad notevenwrong.org is taken. 19:54 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:24 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:36 < gene> I though that dean vortex thing wasn't that important 20:37 < gene> that's what I said 21:01 -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:06 < kanzure> stuff to get: The effect of the variation of surface tension with temperature on the motion of bubbles and drops 21:06 < kanzure> Motion of large bubbles in curved channels 21:07 < kanzure> A note on the existence of wakes behind large, rising bubbles, 21:07 < kanzure> The motion of large bubbles in horizontal channels, 21:07 < kanzure> On the ability of drops or bubbles to stick to non-horizontal surfaces of solids 21:08 < kanzure> On the ability of drops or bubbles to stick to non-horizontal surfaces of solids. Part 2. Small drops or bubbles having contact angles of arbitrary size 21:08 < kanzure> On the motion of bubbles in capillary tubes 21:08 < kanzure> Self-propulsion of asymmetrically vibrating bubbles 21:09 < kanzure> The response of microscopic bubbles to sudden changes in the ambient pressure 21:13 -!- tarbo2_ [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:37 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:16 < gene> huh 22:16 < gene> did you say the propulsion of vibrating bubbles? 22:16 < gene> that's easy 22:17 < gene> something like a triangle track should work for that 22:17 < gene> response of microscopic bubbles to changes in ambient pressue, p bubble = p atm 22:30 -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.23.56.166] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:40 < ybit> http://heybryan.org/folders.html :: i like how the story @ the bottom doesn't have an end ;P 23:50 -!- PeerInfinity [n=someone@216.36.180.162] has quit []