--- Day changed Sun Mar 08 2009 01:08 -!- ybit [n=mint@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 01:25 -!- ybit [n=mint@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:31 < gene> heh I got some spam from them 01:31 < gene> IRL spam 01:31 < gene> mail from them a while back 01:37 -!- ybit [n=mint@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["leaving"] 01:45 < kanzure> "Hydrophilic/hydrophobic patterned surfaces as templates for DNA arrays" 01:53 < gene> muahahahahahahahahh 01:55 < gene> http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/elbuenohombre89/?action=view¤t=GendoIkari.jpg 01:55 < gene> that's pretty much how I am after hearing that 01:57 < gene> wait a minute, the psp has a 480 x 272 screen 01:57 < gene> that can't be right? 01:58 < kanzure> http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articlerender.cgi?artid=1545998 01:58 < kanzure> Recursive construction of perfect DNA molecules from imperfect oligonucleotides 01:59 < gene> hmmmm.. 01:59 < gene> dna repair 01:59 < gene> dinosaur dna is damaged 01:59 < gene> dinosaurs might be profitable... 03:00 < kanzure> I'm trying to find a paper that gives an analysis of the sources of error and error rates in conventional oligo synthesis techniques. 03:00 < gene> damn I need to send you that stuff 03:00 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis "s the number of errors increases with the length of the oligonucleotide sequence that is being synthesized. " 03:00 < kanzure> [citation needed] 03:00 < kanzure> seriously 03:04 < gene> dude why can't we bring back dinosaurs with DNA error correction? 03:12 < gene> I belive I found a solution to head mounted display mounting 03:13 < gene> would you like to know? 03:14 < gene> you put acouple of titanium mounting brackets into your skull 03:15 < gene> http://interactive.usc.edu/members/mark/archives/wide5.jpg 03:16 < gene> yikes, we might not want to use a LCD screen 03:16 -!- ybit [n=mint@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:18 < gene> http://api.ning.com/files/KLxUkA8D81DH2fz4hfju4aa*QmoBff1yaOFTJuEuj9AWjhwozdtCjoip5sSQ6k-k1tWeN9P85HmIHRVbD2KvaR6B9vPuPDWU/cyberpunk_hacker_by_mercikos.jpg 03:19 < gene> might have to go all out in that case 03:25 < gene> http://www.jewellersequipment.co.uk/eyeglasses/LHMG.JPG 03:25 < gene> A SOLUTION HAS BEEN FOUND 03:27 < kanzure> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=&num=100&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=any&as_sauthors=Khorana&as_publication=&as_ylo=1960&as_yhi=1970&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr= 03:34 < gene> kanzure, magnifier glasses 03:34 < gene> are the solution 03:35 < gene> we just put LCD's on them 03:35 < gene> LCDs with cameras for AR 03:40 < gene> steve mann gets 640X480 03:42 < gene> DLP is starting to tempt me 03:43 < gene> 1400x1050 03:43 < gene> is dlp 03:43 < gene> wait a second 03:43 < gene> that's it? 03:43 < gene> hmmm... 03:43 < gene> I think I just realized something 03:47 < kanzure> Syringe method for stepwise chemical synthesis of oligonucleotides http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=320704&blobtype=pdf 03:47 < kanzure> Synthesis of a gene for human growth hormone and its expression in Escherichia coli 03:48 < gene> with a syringe? 03:48 < gene> how long does that take? 03:51 < kanzure> if you use zinc, 30 minutes per nucleotide 03:51 < kanzure> but if you don't, it usually takes much less apparently 03:51 < gene> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA 03:51 < gene> no 03:52 < kanzure> gene: become a monk! synthesize your own genome by syringe! 03:52 < kanzure> "oh fuck, I made an error" 03:53 < gene> at 30 minutes per nucleotide it would take OVER 9000 hrs to synthesize the ebola genome 03:53 < gene> no joke 03:53 < gene> or 375 dayw 03:53 < gene> days 03:53 < gene> few 03:53 < gene> terrorists won't be able to do that 03:55 < gene> they have to be 4 levels above batshit insane 03:57 < gene> and have a lot of time 04:02 < kanzure> syringe method takes 13 min per nucleotide. haha. 04:14 -!- any59037466 [n=someone@75-120-44-19.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-7-38.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:15 -!- any59037466 is now known as katsmeow-afk 05:08 -!- gene [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-96-13.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:19 -!- fenn_ [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:33 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:35 < kanzure> Coriolis force? 09:43 -!- jm [n=jm@p57B9E8F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:51 -!- kanzure-_ [i=root@dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:52 -!- kanzure- [i=root@dhcp-84-113.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:31 -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn 10:37 < fenn> for your algae filter can't you use something like this with a really fine mesh? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.home-food-processing.com/ProductImages/32164.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.home-food-processing.com/browseproducts/-32164-Grape-Spiral-for-Food-Strainer.html&usg=__J2qQqd0XJISZEnRDixJWRE4OYMs=&h=300&w=300&sz=25&hl=en&start=14&tbnid=Iv6wrnzVaAWHgM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dberry%2Bscreen%26hl%3Den%26 10:37 < fenn> duhh sorry about the linkspam 10:38 < fenn> http://www.enasco.com/product/C16122N 10:38 < fenn> http://www.home-food-processing.com/browseproducts/-32164-Grape-Spiral-for-Food-Strainer.html 10:39 < fenn> as the algae builds up on the screen it gets scraped off and pumped out 10:40 < kanzure> I was thinking of blockin the sensor that signals whether or not the lis is closed on my ps2 ancd then drawing a circular patter as it spins so that I can get a clean microchannel totest with. 10:41 < kanzure> *blocking 10:41 < kanzure> *lid 11:05 -!- PeerInfinity [i=PeerInfi@brndmb02bbp-ac09-53-39.dial.mts.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:23 < kanzure> *pattern 11:23 < kanzure> *to test 12:04 < katsmeow-afk> lo 12:04 < katsmeow-afk> l 12:45 < kanzure> Cell lysis on a microfluidic CD (compact disc) http://heybryan.org/books/papers/microfluidics/Cell%20lysis%20on%20a%20microfluidic%20CD%20(compact%20disc).pdf 13:22 < kanzure> huh 13:22 < kanzure> so apparently elmer and salomé aren't in debian because of those licensing issues of opencascade 13:23 < kanzure> anyway, opencascade 6.3.0 has been accepted into the repos apparently. 13:27 < kanzure> " In contemporary phosphoramidite oligonucleotide synthesis coupling 13:27 < kanzure> failure rates should be 0.5% or less per coupling event. 13:27 < kanzure> " 13:27 < kanzure> " the nature of coupling 13:27 < kanzure> failures can be found in Temsamani et al. (1995) and Hecker and Rill (1998). 13:27 < kanzure> " 13:30 < kanzure> Hecker KH, and RL Rill 1998 Error analysis of chemically synthesized polynucleotides. 13:30 < kanzure> BioTechniques 24: 256-260. 13:33 < kanzure> "Deletions are most likely to result from incomplete capping or de-tritylation." 13:40 < kanzure> hm, it might be due to the reversability of the detritylation step 13:41 < fenn> elmer uses opencascade? 13:49 < kanzure> origin of impurities in oligonucleotides: http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/Origin%20of%20impurities%20in%20oligonucleotides.pdf see page 29 13:49 < kanzure> with references :) 13:52 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_synthesizer#Origin_of_oligonucleotide_impurities_and_errors 13:57 < kanzure> added the references. 14:19 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: UtopiahGHML 14:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: UtopiahGHML 15:32 < kanzure> grated array with sharpie microfluidics: scotch tape dispenser has little spikes in a row. works nicely at scraping off parallel lines. My dispenser here has 17. 15:40 < kanzure> can tape remove nail polish? because it can remove layers of sharpie.. 15:56 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:13 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- samrose [n=samrose@c-24-11-214-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:20 -!- transilluminator [n=biosci@dhcp-128-83-195-173.biosci.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:24 -!- PeerInfinity [i=PeerInfi@brndmb02bbp-ac09-53-39.dial.mts.net] has quit [] 18:15 -!- ferrouswheel [n=jp@121-73-144-159.cable.telstraclear.net] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 18:31 < fenn> i think heekscad might actually be useful already: http://fenn.freeshell.org/motor_mount.png 18:38 < transilluminator> nice. 18:41 < transilluminator> also, growing algae in large volumes of water is stupid 18:41 < transilluminator> http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/flat/ 18:42 < fenn> indeed 18:42 < fenn> i recall reading about a tube of heat-sealed plastic that was stretched out on a roof and had circulating algae fed through it 18:42 < fenn> it was about 6 inches thick and 50 feet long 18:44 < transilluminator> most papers focus on photobioreactor issues like "getting light to the algae" 18:44 < transilluminator> which isn't really the real issue in these things. yes, it's important, but I feel that's easy 18:44 < transilluminator> harvesting is more of a big deal, since the smaller buggers aren't going to just clump together naturally in some cases 18:44 < fenn> seems like some sort of spray or waterfall would be beneficial 18:44 < transilluminator> and chemicals for that are sort of expensive 18:44 < transilluminator> how so? 18:45 < fenn> for aeration and temperature reduction 18:45 < transilluminator> anyway- those papers on flat beds seem useful. just grow it in a few cm of water, but a large surface area 18:45 * fenn notes that none of those papers have photos of real installations 18:46 < fenn> oh wait, there's one 18:46 < transilluminator> one mentioned an installation that was tested for 12 days in Japan 18:46 < fenn> looks pretty bad tho 18:47 < fenn> vertical flat plate = stupid 18:47 < transilluminator> yes, I don't know what they are thinking there 18:47 < transilluminator> they must be pumping it back up to the top 18:48 < fenn> i wish these guys spent more time making working systems and less time with fancy graphs and equations 18:48 < transilluminator> I demoed gnuplot for two biologists the other day and they went totally ballistic and all happy-feely about how awesome 'splot' was. 18:49 < fenn> huh? 18:49 < fenn> can you even rotate it in 3d? 18:49 < transilluminator> yes 18:50 < fenn> does it output SVG? :) 18:51 < transilluminator> it outputs dxf, does that count? 18:51 < fenn> apparently it does 18:51 < fenn> set terminal svg 18:51 < fenn> set output "$file.si.svg" 18:51 < fenn> replot 18:51 < transilluminator> hm, I did "set term" and looked at the list and didn't see svg there, although the interwebs tell me it does 18:53 < fenn> have to press return to see the full list 18:56 < fenn> it works! 18:56 < fenn> that certainly isn't x^2 though 18:57 < transilluminator> set xrange [0:1] 19:00 < fenn> it doesnt want to write the file until i exit 19:00 < transilluminator> there's another way to write files. 19:01 < transilluminator> how is it that you are only now just discovering gnuplot? 19:01 < fenn> i've used it before, i just forget all the syntax every time 19:01 < transilluminator> well, no, not the syntax, I can't penalize you for that 19:12 * transilluminator leaves 19:12 -!- transilluminator [n=biosci@dhcp-128-83-195-173.biosci.utexas.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 19:24 -!- katsmeow-afk is now known as katsmeow 19:34 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:57 -!- gene_ [n=chatzill@wireless-128-62-91-133.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:57 < gene_> kanzure find me a tiny 640x480 display 19:58 < kanzure> isn't this what Google is for? 19:58 < gene_> http://www.emagin.com/products/OLEDMD/OLED_microdisplays.php 19:58 < gene_> yeah 19:58 < gene_> are you busy? 19:59 < gene_> dang, dmd displays are about to get cheap 20:00 < gene_> so here's the deal, you find a display with that rez that is cheap, and find a way to hook it up to say, my laptop, I make you a case for it 20:01 < kanzure> a case? 20:01 < gene_> http://www.tradeeasy.com/supplier/3690/products/p999348/usmart.html 20:01 < gene_> ugh that's a bit big 20:01 < gene_> yeah 20:01 < gene_> IE the part that holds it on your head 20:02 < gene_> and optics 20:02 < katsmeow> MCM was selling 5 and 7 inch led color screen for cheap a while back, set in unside for an ntsc feed, had speakers too, ran on 12vdc 20:02 < gene_> I have a cheap about 5 inch LCD screen 20:02 < gene_> it's heavy and would cause head strain 20:03 < gene_> used on underwater robot control system 20:03 * katsmeow nods 20:03 < gene_> http://www.tradeeasy.com/supplier/144391/products/p939908/keychain-digital-photo-frame.html 20:03 < gene_> 240X160 20:03 < gene_> compromise 20:04 < kanzure> I suggest finding something on ebay from a well-supported, but broken cell phone 20:04 < gene_> good plan 20:05 < kanzure> I wonder if people put up cell phones on ebay once their minutes are used up 20:05 < kanzure> just because they don't know any better. 20:05 < gene_> that 240x160 looks tempting 20:06 < gene_> my phone has 176*x220 20:06 < gene_> slightly more pixels 20:06 < gene_> but wider screen 20:07 < gene_> optics 20:07 < gene_> oh shit optics 20:07 < gene_> http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/23/emagins-sxga-oled-xl-microdisplay-perfect-for-night-vision-gog/ 20:07 < katsmeow> sorry Hal, i cannot do that 20:07 < gene_> that weird shapes gonna be hard to make 20:08 < kanzure> gene_: how about you put this on a wiki page 20:08 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wearables 20:08 < gene_> sure 20:08 < kanzure> since we've already talked about this before in here, and all of those notes have to be retrieved anyway 20:08 < kanzure> so might as well put it in one place 20:12 < gene_> v 20:12 < gene_> http://www.branders.com/s/personalized-clock-frame-digital-photo-73337.html 20:12 < gene_> 12 for about $40? 20:12 < gene_> ugh 20:13 < gene_> http://www.promopeddler.com/03-64/square-portable-mini-digital-photo-keychain-holds-qqp191768.htm 20:13 < gene_> damn that minimum order 20:14 < gene_> http://www.farfromboring.com/Promotional-Product/Picture-Frames/Digital-Picture-Frames/DIGITAL-PHOTO-CLOCK-FRAME-MPD-9800-108186.html 20:14 < gene_> request a sample ;) 20:14 < fenn> gene_: what's this about CNC eh? 20:15 < fenn> the openmoko freerunner has a tiny 640x480 screen 20:15 < gene_> how much? 20:15 < gene_> is it FREE! 20:16 < gene_> how wide is the screen? 20:17 < kanzure> http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=9c440036b120679b4498fcaa67200718 Google Scholar RSS/email copy 20:17 < kanzure> http://www.dapper.net/dapp-howto-use.php?dappName=PapersGoogleScholar 20:17 < kanzure> http://www.dapper.net/dapp-howto-use.php?dappName=GoogleScholarResultsExtraction 20:17 < fenn> gene_: like 3 inches 20:17 < kanzure> http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=9c440036b120679b4498fcaa67200718 20:17 < gene_> that's HUGE! 20:17 < kanzure> http://davide.eynard.it/?p=35 "I wrote this little perl script which requires two parameters: the name of the author and the paper title. It then queries Scholar and returns the number of citations for that paper. Quick and easy!" 20:18 < fenn> 65mm 20:19 < gene_> yeah that's quite bulky 20:19 < fenn> 43mm x 58mm display aarea 20:19 < fenn> what did you expect? 20:19 < gene_> http://www.holoeyesystems.com/lcos_microdisplay_specifications.html 20:20 < gene_> expensive yet awesome 20:20 * kanzure is trying to figure out if there are any 'google scholar' mashups for trends analysis etc. 20:20 * fenn is trying to figure out if gene is a retard 20:21 < fenn> gene_: did you get a quote? 20:21 < kanzure> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/836 "saved searches" for google scholar 20:22 < gene_> no 20:22 < gene_> I should though 20:22 < kanzure> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/12692 "I'm addicted to 'starring' items in google reader, so I created a script that adds this option to scholar. just search the site and click on the star if a result interests you. Hit 'Starred' next to the search button to see all starred results." 20:22 < kanzure> what's the point of that? 20:24 < kanzure> useful: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/41663 ScienceDirect popup-blocker Opens PDFs in the same window, not a pop-up 20:30 < gene_> you know I wonder if you can stack those tiny digital picture frames together and offset them just a bit to get a higher res display 20:30 < fenn> emagin = $1500 for two displays 20:31 < gene_> or vibrate them like they do with dmds 20:32 < fenn> dmd's dont vibrate do they? 20:32 < fenn> not the pixel array 20:33 < gene_> some do 20:33 < fenn> not the pixel grid i mean 20:33 < fenn> the laser galvo's yes 20:33 < gene_> yes the whole pixel array back and forth 20:33 < kanzure> what the fuck 20:33 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Scholar 20:33 < kanzure> AutoScholar, an automated interface to Google Scholar for grabbing papers written in perl. 20:33 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/projects/autoscholar/ 20:33 < kanzure> huh 20:33 < gene_> double the amount of pixels 20:33 < gene_> you really have to see it though to understand it 20:34 < fenn> see what? 20:34 < kanzure> http://www.scitopics.com/ 20:46 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:54 < gene_> http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-ELECTRONIC-VIEW-FINDER-DXF-601-LENS-CAMERA-PRO_W0QQitemZ350175018595QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item350175018595&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A2|240%3A1318 20:54 < gene_> electronic viewfinder 21:11 < kanzure> hey, smari's getting slashdotted: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3676189 21:11 < kanzure> http://smari.yaxic.org/blag/2009/03/06/microsoft-skull-fucks-icelands-economy-contracts-syphilis/ 21:41 -!- willPow3r [n=will@cpe-66-75-6-181.san.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:48 < kanzure> For the witnessing to be legal the parties generally either have to work for some 21:48 < kanzure> third party whom they've signed right over to (eg IBM). Or else they have some 21:48 < kanzure> erm. 21:48 < kanzure> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Recession_now_affecting_time_itself%3B_one_hour_lost_Sunday 21:51 < fenn> sad but true 22:01 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 22:26 < fenn> wow a whole day with no diybio 22:38 < kanzure> I've had no interesting emails this weekend :( 22:54 -!- fenn [n=fenn@cpe-72-177-52-180.austin.res.rr.com] has quit ["television time! aieee"] 23:10 < gene_> would you like me to change that kanzure? 23:47 -!- ybit [n=mint@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit ["Lost terminal"]